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Re: Sydney J Harris #general

Leonardo Herzenberg <herzenberg@...>
 

In article <000501c02b35$209e9a20$1bc7fea9@computername>,
gagluck@earthlink.net says...
I am doing some research on columnist Sydney J Harris. While his column
originated with the Chicago Sun Times, my local sources in Los Angeles do
not carry the Sun Times. Would any readers who happen to remember his
column let me know what other newspapers his column appeared?
Thanks so much.
Gary Gluck

I remember him >from the Chicago Daily News, closed down many years ago.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Sydney J Harris #general

Leonardo Herzenberg <herzenberg@...>
 

In article <000501c02b35$209e9a20$1bc7fea9@computername>,
gagluck@earthlink.net says...
I am doing some research on columnist Sydney J Harris. While his column
originated with the Chicago Sun Times, my local sources in Los Angeles do
not carry the Sun Times. Would any readers who happen to remember his
column let me know what other newspapers his column appeared?
Thanks so much.
Gary Gluck

I remember him >from the Chicago Daily News, closed down many years ago.


Zechlin; Rav Nachman Buki #general

Buki, Yaron Z <BukiYZ@...>
 

Shana Tuva V'chatima tuva

Does anybody have any information on the Hasidus of Zechlin? My family lived
in Kalinare (s.p.)
before they moved to Lipno, both cities are in Poland. If there are books
out there how can I aquire them?
Thank you,

Yaron Buki
Sacramento. Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zechlin; Rav Nachman Buki #general

Buki, Yaron Z <BukiYZ@...>
 

Shana Tuva V'chatima tuva

Does anybody have any information on the Hasidus of Zechlin? My family lived
in Kalinare (s.p.)
before they moved to Lipno, both cities are in Poland. If there are books
out there how can I aquire them?
Thank you,

Yaron Buki
Sacramento. Ca


Searching: EPPSTEINER of NY, Michael JACOBS of Brooklyn #general

Jeff Sugarman <sugarjf@...>
 

I am looking for the sisters of Alexander LEOPOLD who were born in Brooklyn
around 1880 and who, according to a 1945 obituary of Alexander, were Mrs.
Henry EPPSTEINER of New York City and Mrs. Michael JACOBS of Brooklyn.

Alexander's sisters names were Lina, Julia, Belle, and Ida. I don't know
which would be the two above.
I'd appreciate any information about any of these families.

Thanks much,
Jeff Sugarman
Los Altos, CA
sugarjf@att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: EPPSTEINER of NY, Michael JACOBS of Brooklyn #general

Jeff Sugarman <sugarjf@...>
 

I am looking for the sisters of Alexander LEOPOLD who were born in Brooklyn
around 1880 and who, according to a 1945 obituary of Alexander, were Mrs.
Henry EPPSTEINER of New York City and Mrs. Michael JACOBS of Brooklyn.

Alexander's sisters names were Lina, Julia, Belle, and Ida. I don't know
which would be the two above.
I'd appreciate any information about any of these families.

Thanks much,
Jeff Sugarman
Los Altos, CA
sugarjf@att.net


EISHYSHOK book being offered of our auction site #general

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

THERE ONCE WAS A WORLD (EISHYSHOK, POLAND - NOW LITHUANIA) is being on
JewishGen's auction site and may be viewed at the following URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?books&971399262.

This First Edition book is full of family stories, names, beautiful pictures
and would be a treasure for anyone to have in their library.

Our very best wishes for an easy fast,

Bobbi & Jerry Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EISHYSHOK book being offered of our auction site #general

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

THERE ONCE WAS A WORLD (EISHYSHOK, POLAND - NOW LITHUANIA) is being on
JewishGen's auction site and may be viewed at the following URL:

http://www.jewishgen.org/cgi-bin/auction.pl?books&971399262.

This First Edition book is full of family stories, names, beautiful pictures
and would be a treasure for anyone to have in their library.

Our very best wishes for an easy fast,

Bobbi & Jerry Cohen


19th Century Records For Wieruszow to be indexed #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

19th Century Records For Wieruszow to be indexed; you have a unique
opportunity to help

19th Century Records For Wieruszow
Making it accessible - on-line.
It's happening now

Dear Fellow Researchers,

Many of us researching our ancestors >from Poland have found valuable
information in the microfilms of the LDS Family History Centers. For the last
several years, this effort has gained momentum because more than 800,000 of
the records in the LDS collection have been indexed and are available on the
Internet through the searchable database of Jewish Records Indexing- Poland
(http://www.jewishgen/JRI-PL). The indexes themselves provide valuable
genealogical data and enable one to zero in on specific documents for further
research.

Until now it has been virtually impossible to research one's family >from
Wieruszow; LDS films of Jewish records >from this town are NON-EXISTENT!
Wieruszow is located south of Kalisz; it is about 15 miles west of Wielun and
Zloczew and 30 miles west of Dzialoszyn. Towns neighboring Wieruszow
approximately 30 miles to the northeast are Zdunska Wola, Sieradz, Lask and
Warta.

Now, indexes to Polish-Jewish records for all 19th century years for
Wieruszow housed in the Lodz are in the process of development and addition
to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database under a groundbreaking
agreement between JRI-Poland and the Polish State Archives (PSA). For
information about the PSA project see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/psa/psastat.htm

The 3,500 Wieruszow birth, marriage and death records span the years 1826
through the 1870, and perhaps beyond. We will not know the full extent of
years until indexing is completed by the JRI-Poland team in Poland.

This means that when indexes are completed for Wieruszow, this new material
will finally allow you to expand your research into a time period or
geographical area that has been elusive and beyond your reach. Once these
indexes are completed, you may simply print out an order form >from the Jewish
Records Indexing-Poland web site and order the records >from the Polish State
Archives.

I have agreed to take on the responsibility of Wieruszow Town Leader. Please
join me in making this extremely worthwhile and exciting project a success.
Your participation in this project can help bring to light information you
may have never imagined you would find. Please spread the word to everyone
you are in contact with who has an interest in Wieruszow or this area --
family, friends, co-researchers. All should be encouraged to participate.

The Lodz branch archives has extensive records for the city of Lodz and
approximately 50 towns in the area. The list of towns whose partial, or
complete, records are contained in the Lodz branch archive may be seen at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Shtetlinks/Lodz/lds.htm

Updates on the JRI-Poland/PSA Wieruszow project will be available in the
future at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psastat.htm, click on "Status Report: PSA
Project Underway" which is the last line in the heading of this page.

If you have any questions, please do not hestitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives Project Coordinator
Houston, Texas
E-mail: seflaum@aol.com
Internet: http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
Internet: http://www.jewishgen.org/Shtetlinks/Lodz/LDS.htm


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland 19th Century Records For Wieruszow to be indexed #poland #lodz

Seflaum@...
 

19th Century Records For Wieruszow to be indexed; you have a unique
opportunity to help

19th Century Records For Wieruszow
Making it accessible - on-line.
It's happening now

Dear Fellow Researchers,

Many of us researching our ancestors >from Poland have found valuable
information in the microfilms of the LDS Family History Centers. For the last
several years, this effort has gained momentum because more than 800,000 of
the records in the LDS collection have been indexed and are available on the
Internet through the searchable database of Jewish Records Indexing- Poland
(http://www.jewishgen/JRI-PL). The indexes themselves provide valuable
genealogical data and enable one to zero in on specific documents for further
research.

Until now it has been virtually impossible to research one's family >from
Wieruszow; LDS films of Jewish records >from this town are NON-EXISTENT!
Wieruszow is located south of Kalisz; it is about 15 miles west of Wielun and
Zloczew and 30 miles west of Dzialoszyn. Towns neighboring Wieruszow
approximately 30 miles to the northeast are Zdunska Wola, Sieradz, Lask and
Warta.

Now, indexes to Polish-Jewish records for all 19th century years for
Wieruszow housed in the Lodz are in the process of development and addition
to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database under a groundbreaking
agreement between JRI-Poland and the Polish State Archives (PSA). For
information about the PSA project see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/psa/psastat.htm

The 3,500 Wieruszow birth, marriage and death records span the years 1826
through the 1870, and perhaps beyond. We will not know the full extent of
years until indexing is completed by the JRI-Poland team in Poland.

This means that when indexes are completed for Wieruszow, this new material
will finally allow you to expand your research into a time period or
geographical area that has been elusive and beyond your reach. Once these
indexes are completed, you may simply print out an order form >from the Jewish
Records Indexing-Poland web site and order the records >from the Polish State
Archives.

I have agreed to take on the responsibility of Wieruszow Town Leader. Please
join me in making this extremely worthwhile and exciting project a success.
Your participation in this project can help bring to light information you
may have never imagined you would find. Please spread the word to everyone
you are in contact with who has an interest in Wieruszow or this area --
family, friends, co-researchers. All should be encouraged to participate.

The Lodz branch archives has extensive records for the city of Lodz and
approximately 50 towns in the area. The list of towns whose partial, or
complete, records are contained in the Lodz branch archive may be seen at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Shtetlinks/Lodz/lds.htm

Updates on the JRI-Poland/PSA Wieruszow project will be available in the
future at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psastat.htm, click on "Status Report: PSA
Project Underway" which is the last line in the heading of this page.

If you have any questions, please do not hestitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives Project Coordinator
Houston, Texas
E-mail: seflaum@aol.com
Internet: http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm
Internet: http://www.jewishgen.org/Shtetlinks/Lodz/LDS.htm


Re: Lemberg - Kaminsky Polosky #poland

Josef A. Herz <josef@...>
 

I was in Lviv earlier this year.

I went with a group of six people. We had a guide with a driver - so
no problem getting around.
Only minor hassle was the long wait at the airport to get past
passport control (1.5 hrs).

At 4:49 PM -0400 10/1/00, rita braun wrote:
Has anyone gone to Lemberg (Galicia and/or Kaminsky Polosky (Russia). If so,
did you go with a group or independently. Was there any problem getting
around? Rita


Visit the JRI-Poland web site at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
Post messages to <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent non-profit
U.S. tax-exempt organization and is hosted by JewishGen.

JRI-Poland indexing initiatives are funded by your contributions. To
support JRI-Poland and its many individual projects - such as
indexing of records >from your ancestral town - please send your
checks - marked with the town name or project for which the money is
being donated - to:
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, c/o Sheila Salo, Treasurer,5607
Greenleaf Rd., Cheverly, MD20785 or pay by Visa at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/visa.htm>

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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Lemberg - Kaminsky Polosky #poland

Josef A. Herz <josef@...>
 

I was in Lviv earlier this year.

I went with a group of six people. We had a guide with a driver - so
no problem getting around.
Only minor hassle was the long wait at the airport to get past
passport control (1.5 hrs).

At 4:49 PM -0400 10/1/00, rita braun wrote:
Has anyone gone to Lemberg (Galicia and/or Kaminsky Polosky (Russia). If so,
did you go with a group or independently. Was there any problem getting
around? Rita


Visit the JRI-Poland web site at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
Post messages to <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent non-profit
U.S. tax-exempt organization and is hosted by JewishGen.

JRI-Poland indexing initiatives are funded by your contributions. To
support JRI-Poland and its many individual projects - such as
indexing of records >from your ancestral town - please send your
checks - marked with the town name or project for which the money is
being donated - to:
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, c/o Sheila Salo, Treasurer,5607
Greenleaf Rd., Cheverly, MD20785 or pay by Visa at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/visa.htm>

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PBS Link to "There Once Was A Town" #poland

m.steinberg <m.steinberg@...>
 

Here is the link to "There Once Was A Town":
www.pbs.org/whatson/press/fall/thereonce.html

It provides a description and schedule for the airing of the
documentary Gary Mokotoff referred to in his e-mail.

Mike
British Columbia, Canada


JRI Poland #Poland PBS Link to "There Once Was A Town" #poland

m.steinberg <m.steinberg@...>
 

Here is the link to "There Once Was A Town":
www.pbs.org/whatson/press/fall/thereonce.html

It provides a description and schedule for the airing of the
documentary Gary Mokotoff referred to in his e-mail.

Mike
British Columbia, Canada


Krakow events. #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Dear Galizianers,

If you plan your genealogical pilgrimage to Krakow between now and October
28, let me know your exact dates and I will write you which programs of the
Month of Jewish Culture organized by the Judaica Foundation and the Center
of Jewish Culture you'll have a chance to attend.

The Jewish quarter of Krakow has its Local Monthly "Kazimierz", which now
appears also in English, I think every second month. The address is:
Kazimierz Local Office, 31-560 Krakow, ul. Jozefa 7, tel/fax (12) 430-65-03.

To those who inquired how to make a contribution to Judaica Foundation in
Krakow, contact me privately for further information at jassep@tdbank.ca.
Please do if you can.

Thanks,

Peter Jassem
jassep@tdbank.ca
Toronto, Ontario


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Krakow events. #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Dear Galizianers,

If you plan your genealogical pilgrimage to Krakow between now and October
28, let me know your exact dates and I will write you which programs of the
Month of Jewish Culture organized by the Judaica Foundation and the Center
of Jewish Culture you'll have a chance to attend.

The Jewish quarter of Krakow has its Local Monthly "Kazimierz", which now
appears also in English, I think every second month. The address is:
Kazimierz Local Office, 31-560 Krakow, ul. Jozefa 7, tel/fax (12) 430-65-03.

To those who inquired how to make a contribution to Judaica Foundation in
Krakow, contact me privately for further information at jassep@tdbank.ca.
Please do if you can.

Thanks,

Peter Jassem
jassep@tdbank.ca
Toronto, Ontario


Great News for Researchers in East Galicia (Tarnopol area in particular) #galicia

Willie46@...
 

Khag Sameakh! Just prior to Rosh Hashanah, Stanley Diamond, Project
Coordinator for Jewish Records Indexing - Poland announced an exciting new
project to index vital records for 82 towns in East Galicia that are
maintained in the AGAD Archives in Warsaw.

Those Galitzianers with ancestors >from West Galicia are already very familiar
with the JRI-Poland database of vital record indices. Now Galitzianers with
ancestors >from the current Ukrainian section of East Galicia will have access
to indices of those 19th Century records that reside in the AGAD Branch of
the Polish State Archives. East Galician researchers already know that the
LDS Church has never microfilmed these record registers.

The AGAD Archives (The Central Archives of Historical Records) in Warsaw is
the repository of more than 1,700 birth, marriage, and death registers for
the area of the former Lwow, Stanislawow, and Tarnopol voivodships (now Lviv,
Ivano Frankivsk, and Ternopil oblasts in Ukraine).

The goal of this JRI-Poland project is to create online searchable indices to
enable researchers to quickly locate records of potential interest.
Researchers will then be able to order these records directly >from the AGAD
branch of the Polish State Archives using the order form linked to the search
results.

Details of this project are available at the JRI-Poland web site, AGAD
Archives Page at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm>. On this
web page is also a map of the region. The red circles on the map group towns
into seven separate indexing regions. This map was prepared by fellow
Galitzianer Tom Weiss.

There is also a link to a table that includes both the current and former
(Polish) names of the towns and the records available for each town. These
registers also include records for smaller towns in close proximity of those
listed in the table.

The first region within East Galicia to be indexed will be the area in the
far Northeast of the former Austro-Hungarian Province of Galicia. The 13
towns in this region whose vital records will be indexed are:

Brzezany
Kozlow
Kozowa
Mikulince
Narajow
Podwoloczyska
Skalat
Strusow
Tarnopol
Trembowla
Zalozce
Zbaraz
Zborow

If your ancestral town does not appear above but is near one of these towns,
don't be discouraged. The Jewish communities in many smaller towns near these
13 District and Sub-District towns of the former Galician Province of Austria
were required to register their vital events in these 13 towns.

This region has been designated as AGAD Region #1 or Tarnopol Region. Please
refer to the map that has been posted on the JRI-Poland website at
<http://jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm> for more details. The Tarnopol
Region web page at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/agad_tarnopol.htm>
provides more information including the approximate number of vital records
that will be indexed.

I will be serving as Coordinator for the Tarnopol Region initiative. To make
this initiative successful, we need volunteers to serve as Town Leaders for
each of the 13 towns in this region. Each Town Leader will be responsible to
raise the necessary funds to pay for the creation of the town's indices. If
you are interested, please contact me at willie46@aol.com.

This Initiative has already gained momentum. The AGAD Archives staff has
commenced indexing of Tarnopol birth registers. About 6,000 of the 16,710
birth records for Tarnopol have now been indexed. Information about how you
can help make this project successful can be found on the Tarnopol Region web
page. These indices will not be loaded to the JRI-Poland database until
certain fundraising goals have been achieved.

As work on Region #1 progresses, JRI-Poland will announce plans for expanding
the initiative and will then invite interested researchers to volunteer to be
Regional Archive Coordinators for other Regions of the AGAD Archives project.
To be kept up-to-date, subscribe to the JRI-Poland Mailing List. Instructions
for joining these lists can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm.

Please join me in thanking Steve Zedeck, Michael Tobias, Stanley Diamond, the
Polish State Archives, and all the volunteers that have made this project
possible.

Mark Halpern
Tarnopol Region AGAD Archive Coordinator
JRI-Poland


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Great News for Researchers in East Galicia (Tarnopol area in particular) #galicia

Willie46@...
 

Khag Sameakh! Just prior to Rosh Hashanah, Stanley Diamond, Project
Coordinator for Jewish Records Indexing - Poland announced an exciting new
project to index vital records for 82 towns in East Galicia that are
maintained in the AGAD Archives in Warsaw.

Those Galitzianers with ancestors >from West Galicia are already very familiar
with the JRI-Poland database of vital record indices. Now Galitzianers with
ancestors >from the current Ukrainian section of East Galicia will have access
to indices of those 19th Century records that reside in the AGAD Branch of
the Polish State Archives. East Galician researchers already know that the
LDS Church has never microfilmed these record registers.

The AGAD Archives (The Central Archives of Historical Records) in Warsaw is
the repository of more than 1,700 birth, marriage, and death registers for
the area of the former Lwow, Stanislawow, and Tarnopol voivodships (now Lviv,
Ivano Frankivsk, and Ternopil oblasts in Ukraine).

The goal of this JRI-Poland project is to create online searchable indices to
enable researchers to quickly locate records of potential interest.
Researchers will then be able to order these records directly >from the AGAD
branch of the Polish State Archives using the order form linked to the search
results.

Details of this project are available at the JRI-Poland web site, AGAD
Archives Page at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm>. On this
web page is also a map of the region. The red circles on the map group towns
into seven separate indexing regions. This map was prepared by fellow
Galitzianer Tom Weiss.

There is also a link to a table that includes both the current and former
(Polish) names of the towns and the records available for each town. These
registers also include records for smaller towns in close proximity of those
listed in the table.

The first region within East Galicia to be indexed will be the area in the
far Northeast of the former Austro-Hungarian Province of Galicia. The 13
towns in this region whose vital records will be indexed are:

Brzezany
Kozlow
Kozowa
Mikulince
Narajow
Podwoloczyska
Skalat
Strusow
Tarnopol
Trembowla
Zalozce
Zbaraz
Zborow

If your ancestral town does not appear above but is near one of these towns,
don't be discouraged. The Jewish communities in many smaller towns near these
13 District and Sub-District towns of the former Galician Province of Austria
were required to register their vital events in these 13 towns.

This region has been designated as AGAD Region #1 or Tarnopol Region. Please
refer to the map that has been posted on the JRI-Poland website at
<http://jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/index.htm> for more details. The Tarnopol
Region web page at <http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad/agad_tarnopol.htm>
provides more information including the approximate number of vital records
that will be indexed.

I will be serving as Coordinator for the Tarnopol Region initiative. To make
this initiative successful, we need volunteers to serve as Town Leaders for
each of the 13 towns in this region. Each Town Leader will be responsible to
raise the necessary funds to pay for the creation of the town's indices. If
you are interested, please contact me at willie46@aol.com.

This Initiative has already gained momentum. The AGAD Archives staff has
commenced indexing of Tarnopol birth registers. About 6,000 of the 16,710
birth records for Tarnopol have now been indexed. Information about how you
can help make this project successful can be found on the Tarnopol Region web
page. These indices will not be loaded to the JRI-Poland database until
certain fundraising goals have been achieved.

As work on Region #1 progresses, JRI-Poland will announce plans for expanding
the initiative and will then invite interested researchers to volunteer to be
Regional Archive Coordinators for other Regions of the AGAD Archives project.
To be kept up-to-date, subscribe to the JRI-Poland Mailing List. Instructions
for joining these lists can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm.

Please join me in thanking Steve Zedeck, Michael Tobias, Stanley Diamond, the
Polish State Archives, and all the volunteers that have made this project
possible.

Mark Halpern
Tarnopol Region AGAD Archive Coordinator
JRI-Poland


Re: Ellis Island name changes #lithuania

Rafi Guber
 

In a message dated 9/25/00 4:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PARA906020@aol.com writes:


<< An Immigration Officer would be hard pressed to
copy the correct name much less understand the person in front of him. So
yes, names were changed at Ellis. Not on purpose of course, but changed
nonetheless. A case in point are my wife's Grandparents. I have the manifest
showing their correct names when they landed at Ellis and proof that when
they left Ellis for the Lower East Side, they had a similar but different
name which stayed with them for 15 years until they Americanized the name. >>

Bureau of Immigration By laws prohibited an immigration officer >from actually
writing on a manifest. Your proof is no indication that the change of name
actually took place on Ellis Island. There is absolutely no form or vehicle
built into the process permitting an immigration officer to change a name.
With thousands of stories about name changes, there is absolutely no proof
that a name was ever changed on Ellis Island.

Yes, it is possible that an immigration officer may have mispronounced the
name when your ancestors were called up to the immigration desk for "manifest
review."
Being in awe of the large building and people in uniform your ancestors may
have misinterpreted the B.O.I. officers mispronunciation as an imperative.

More likely, they changed their name when they got a bank account, answered a
census taker, registered for school, applied for a job, etc. I do not mean to
demean the wonderful stories passed down >from our ancestors, but just
because a "Bubba Miese" is repeated 10,000 times doesn't make it any less a
Bubba Miese.

Bottom line - Ellis Island read manifests, did not touch them or mark them
except under the most extreme cases for administrative reasons and then only
by a supervisor, and no document exists in the system for name changes.

Shanna Tova

Rafi Guber

MODERATOR's NOTE: This thread has been thoroughly explored, and is now closed.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Ellis Island name changes #ukraine

Rafi Guber
 

In a message dated 9/25/00 4:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PARA906020@aol.com writes:


<< An Immigration Officer would be hard pressed to
copy the correct name much less understand the person in front of him. So
yes, names were changed at Ellis. Not on purpose of course, but changed
nonetheless. A case in point are my wife's Grandparents. I have the manifest
showing their correct names when they landed at Ellis and proof that when
they left Ellis for the Lower East Side, they had a similar but different
name which stayed with them for 15 years until they Americanized the name. >>

Bureau of Immigration By laws prohibited an immigration officer >from actually
writing on a manifest. Your proof is no indication that the change of name
actually took place on Ellis Island. There is absolutely no form or vehicle
built into the process permitting an immigration officer to change a name.
With thousands of stories about name changes, there is absolutely no proof
that a name was ever changed on Ellis Island.

Yes, it is possible that an immigration officer may have mispronounced the
name when your ancestors were called up to the immigration desk for "manifest
review."
Being in awe of the large building and people in uniform your ancestors may
have misinterpreted the B.O.I. officers mispronunciation as an imperative.

More likely, they changed their name when they got a bank account, answered a
census taker, registered for school, applied for a job, etc. I do not mean to
demean the wonderful stories passed down >from our ancestors, but just
because a "Bubba Miese" is repeated 10,000 times doesn't make it any less a
Bubba Miese.

Bottom line - Ellis Island read manifests, did not touch them or mark them
except under the most extreme cases for administrative reasons and then only
by a supervisor, and no document exists in the system for name changes.

Shanna Tova

Rafi Guber

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