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Re: "Looking for information on 1919 Slovechno Pogrom" #general

NFatouros@...
 

In her message of 10-18-00, Cindy Gallard sought information about a
pogrom that occurred in 1919 in Slovechno.

John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, Eds., "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence
in modern Russian History, Cambridge University Press, contains a chapter
by Peter Kenez entitled "Pogroms and White Ideology in the Russian Civil
War." It discusses the perpetrators and background of the pogroms, but it
doesn't mention Solovechno. Kenez notes that there are some documents by a
N.I. Shtif in "Pogromy na Ukraine, " and he refers to several other sources
for his article, but I doubt that those contain specific information, such
as a list of the victims of any village.

I also looked for Solechno in the index of Henry Abramson's "A Prayer for
the Government: Ukrainians and Jews in Revolutionary Times, 1917-1918,"
Harvard University Press, 1999, but didn't find an entry or mention of the
town.

>from a letter I found written in 1922 by a nephew of my grandfather I
learned that the nephew's brother was killed by the troups of Denikin, but I
don't expect to find a victims list in which the name of Alexander BELKOVSKY
appears, nor do I even know just where Sascha was slain. although I imagine
it was in or near Kiev or Berdichev.

Some newspapers in the Ukraine and Russia did publish articles about the
pogroms but again, it is not likely that they contained the articles
included names of victims, unless, perhaps, the victim or victims were
members of a prominent family.

I share Ms. Gallard's frustration!

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Looking for information on 1919 Slovechno Pogrom" #general

NFatouros@...
 

In her message of 10-18-00, Cindy Gallard sought information about a
pogrom that occurred in 1919 in Slovechno.

John D. Klier and Shlomo Lambroza, Eds., "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence
in modern Russian History, Cambridge University Press, contains a chapter
by Peter Kenez entitled "Pogroms and White Ideology in the Russian Civil
War." It discusses the perpetrators and background of the pogroms, but it
doesn't mention Solovechno. Kenez notes that there are some documents by a
N.I. Shtif in "Pogromy na Ukraine, " and he refers to several other sources
for his article, but I doubt that those contain specific information, such
as a list of the victims of any village.

I also looked for Solechno in the index of Henry Abramson's "A Prayer for
the Government: Ukrainians and Jews in Revolutionary Times, 1917-1918,"
Harvard University Press, 1999, but didn't find an entry or mention of the
town.

>from a letter I found written in 1922 by a nephew of my grandfather I
learned that the nephew's brother was killed by the troups of Denikin, but I
don't expect to find a victims list in which the name of Alexander BELKOVSKY
appears, nor do I even know just where Sascha was slain. although I imagine
it was in or near Kiev or Berdichev.

Some newspapers in the Ukraine and Russia did publish articles about the
pogroms but again, it is not likely that they contained the articles
included names of victims, unless, perhaps, the victim or victims were
members of a prominent family.

I share Ms. Gallard's frustration!

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse.


Re: Rovna Poland or Russia #general

Steven Schwartz <SSchwartz@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: George Heister <heister@...>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@...>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:50 AM
Subject: Rovna Poland or Russia


George, as I understand it, Rovna was part of Russia up to the time
of the Russian Revolution. After World War I, Rovna was administered
by Poland.

My grandparents, Zus (Samuel) NARODETSKY and Golda HENDELBERG NARODETSKY
lived in Rovna until 1921, when they came to America on a Polish passport.

Steve Schwartz,
Dover, Delaware USA
SSchwartz@...

Also searching:

HAUPTMAN, of Drohobych in Eastern Galicia, now Western Ukraine
KIMELHEIM, of Drohobych (Galicia / now Ukraine) and >from Budapest,Hungary
NARODETSKY, of Rovno in old Volhynia District, Ukraine (and >from Kiev).
HENDELBERG or HANDELBERG, of Annopol (near Rovno) in old Volhynia District,
Ukraine.FISCHER, of Budapest (or Grosbedan or Yanashee),Hungary. SCHWARTZ, of
Vienna, Austria; Nagy Totfalu and Mateszalka, Hungary.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rovna Poland or Russia #general

Steven Schwartz <SSchwartz@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: George Heister <heister@...>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@...>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:50 AM
Subject: Rovna Poland or Russia


George, as I understand it, Rovna was part of Russia up to the time
of the Russian Revolution. After World War I, Rovna was administered
by Poland.

My grandparents, Zus (Samuel) NARODETSKY and Golda HENDELBERG NARODETSKY
lived in Rovna until 1921, when they came to America on a Polish passport.

Steve Schwartz,
Dover, Delaware USA
SSchwartz@...

Also searching:

HAUPTMAN, of Drohobych in Eastern Galicia, now Western Ukraine
KIMELHEIM, of Drohobych (Galicia / now Ukraine) and >from Budapest,Hungary
NARODETSKY, of Rovno in old Volhynia District, Ukraine (and >from Kiev).
HENDELBERG or HANDELBERG, of Annopol (near Rovno) in old Volhynia District,
Ukraine.FISCHER, of Budapest (or Grosbedan or Yanashee),Hungary. SCHWARTZ, of
Vienna, Austria; Nagy Totfalu and Mateszalka, Hungary.


Looking for BENOLIEL (Gibraltar) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schlomo, son of Jehuda, son
of Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL and Judith, daughter of Avraham, son of
Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL took place in 1822 in Gibraltar.

Who can give any information about these families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff You will find eight
others searching for the same surname >from that general area. Enter your
surnames so others may find you. This is one of our most heavily visited
sites. Also check out the Sefard Forum
at http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/SefardForum.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for BENOLIEL (Gibraltar) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schlomo, son of Jehuda, son
of Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL and Judith, daughter of Avraham, son of
Schlomo, son of Jehuda BENOLIEL took place in 1822 in Gibraltar.

Who can give any information about these families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Go to http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff You will find eight
others searching for the same surname >from that general area. Enter your
surnames so others may find you. This is one of our most heavily visited
sites. Also check out the Sefard Forum
at http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/SefardForum.htm


Looking for DA ASCOLI and AZIZ (Ancona, Italy) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schabtai Schmuel, son of
Jizchak DA ASCOLI and Diamante, daughter of Israel AZIZ, took place on
December 10th, 1788, in Ancona (Italy).

Who can give any information about these two families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for DA ASCOLI and AZIZ (Ancona, Italy) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Schabtai Schmuel, son of
Jizchak DA ASCOLI and Diamante, daughter of Israel AZIZ, took place on
December 10th, 1788, in Ancona (Italy).

Who can give any information about these two families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...


Looking for FANGOLI (Ancona, Italy) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jechiel Schabtai, son of
Joseph Chai haKohen and Diamante, daughter of Mosche Jakov FANGOLI, took
place on March 13th, 1783, in Ancona (Italy).

Who can give any information about these two families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for FANGOLI (Ancona, Italy) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jechiel Schabtai, son of
Joseph Chai haKohen and Diamante, daughter of Mosche Jakov FANGOLI, took
place on March 13th, 1783, in Ancona (Italy).

Who can give any information about these two families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...


Looking for AL COSTANTIN and DA MONDOLFO (Ancona, Italy) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jizchak, son of Avraham AL
COSTANTIN and Regina, daughter of Josef Chai DA MONDOLFO, took place on
September 19th, 1697, in Ancona (Italy).

Who can give any information about these two families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for AL COSTANTIN and DA MONDOLFO (Ancona, Italy) #general

Daniel Teichman <106607.620@...>
 

According to their K'tubah, the marriage between Jizchak, son of Avraham AL
COSTANTIN and Regina, daughter of Josef Chai DA MONDOLFO, took place on
September 19th, 1697, in Ancona (Italy).

Who can give any information about these two families?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@...


Re: A Problem with Dates #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

I'm sure you'll get many responses on this one < g >.

Go with the naturalization papers for accuracy, compared to the census. The census
was completed by a census taker going house-to-house. The person who provided the
information on your family could've been a neighbor or relative instead of the
person.

Generally, go with "primary souces" first, because they have information provided
directly by the person. "Secondary sources" contain information provided by someone
*about* that person. So SS-5s are great, because they were completed by the person
themselves. Ditto for marriage certificates, birth certificates, naturalization
papers, etc.
Death certificates and census are less reliable, because the information
was/could've-been provided by someone other than the subject.

Of course, primary sources are no guarantee of accuracy either. I have the
naturalization papers for both a husband and wife, around 1935-1940. They don't
agree on the birth dates of their own children in 1919 and 1927! Ah, well....

Good luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Problem with Dates #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

I'm sure you'll get many responses on this one < g >.

Go with the naturalization papers for accuracy, compared to the census. The census
was completed by a census taker going house-to-house. The person who provided the
information on your family could've been a neighbor or relative instead of the
person.

Generally, go with "primary souces" first, because they have information provided
directly by the person. "Secondary sources" contain information provided by someone
*about* that person. So SS-5s are great, because they were completed by the person
themselves. Ditto for marriage certificates, birth certificates, naturalization
papers, etc.
Death certificates and census are less reliable, because the information
was/could've-been provided by someone other than the subject.

Of course, primary sources are no guarantee of accuracy either. I have the
naturalization papers for both a husband and wife, around 1935-1940. They don't
agree on the birth dates of their own children in 1919 and 1927! Ah, well....

Good luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


converting this date #general

Harriett Baker Quinn <hquinn@...>
 

Hello, My ggf tombstone refers to the date: Shvat 3, 5668. Could someone
convert this date for me? His tombstone in Lawrence MA, also lists his
father's name in Hebrew and was translated for me. Is this common practice?
I am very excited about this find as no family member had this information.
Thanks in advance. Harriett Baker Quinn, Whitefish, MT

Researching: BAKER, BECKER, PEKER, GREENBERG, FEINSTEIN, VEISBLACK

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen provides a calendar conversion. You'll
find it at the following URL http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen converting this date #general

Harriett Baker Quinn <hquinn@...>
 

Hello, My ggf tombstone refers to the date: Shvat 3, 5668. Could someone
convert this date for me? His tombstone in Lawrence MA, also lists his
father's name in Hebrew and was translated for me. Is this common practice?
I am very excited about this find as no family member had this information.
Thanks in advance. Harriett Baker Quinn, Whitefish, MT

Researching: BAKER, BECKER, PEKER, GREENBERG, FEINSTEIN, VEISBLACK

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen provides a calendar conversion. You'll
find it at the following URL http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/


FEILER Descendants #general

Teresa Martin Klaiber <tklaiber@...>
 

Desperately trying to locate the descendants of Armin FEILER born 1832 died
1907 in Temisvar, Romania where he is buried in a cemetery behind the Jewish
Temple.

Grandaughter Hajnalka married ? RICHTER and had two sons
Larryi and Alfredi or Fredi. In the mid 1930's Larryi was 20 and Fredi 27
both were studying law and the family was residing in Rajka.

Hajnalka's father was Alfred FEILER b 1866 Kobanyi and his wife was Helena
[Ilona] Schwimmer.

My mother is 79 and wishes to contact what would be her only cousins in her
direct paternal line if any descendants are still living.

Teresa Martin Klaiber

Reach me at home:
tklaiber@...
My web page is:
www.wwd.net/users/tklaiber
Reach me at the Boyd County Library:
teresa.klaiber@...
Boyd Co. Library web page and card catalog is:
www.thebookplace.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FEILER Descendants #general

Teresa Martin Klaiber <tklaiber@...>
 

Desperately trying to locate the descendants of Armin FEILER born 1832 died
1907 in Temisvar, Romania where he is buried in a cemetery behind the Jewish
Temple.

Grandaughter Hajnalka married ? RICHTER and had two sons
Larryi and Alfredi or Fredi. In the mid 1930's Larryi was 20 and Fredi 27
both were studying law and the family was residing in Rajka.

Hajnalka's father was Alfred FEILER b 1866 Kobanyi and his wife was Helena
[Ilona] Schwimmer.

My mother is 79 and wishes to contact what would be her only cousins in her
direct paternal line if any descendants are still living.

Teresa Martin Klaiber

Reach me at home:
tklaiber@...
My web page is:
www.wwd.net/users/tklaiber
Reach me at the Boyd County Library:
teresa.klaiber@...
Boyd Co. Library web page and card catalog is:
www.thebookplace.org


Posters and Photos #yiddish

David W. Harris <dharris1@...>
 

To the YT&V Group Members-
I had an opportunity to stop at the Cincinnati Hebrew Union College Klau
Library. The staff is great and helped me locate a number of books and
microfilms in record time.

One of the books is a "Catalog of the Abram & Frances Pasher Kanof
Collection of Yiddish Theatre and Motion Picture Posters". I believe the
actual collection is housed at the American Jewish Historical Society in
Waltham, Mass. The Catalog contains the names of many Yiddish Playwrights,
Composers and Performers and then lists the number of photos relating to
their specific productions.

As an example, an earlier message to the group researched a member related
to Moishe Schorr. The catalog references two productions of Moshe Shor,
one >from May 1916 at the Royal Theater. The collection claims to have 11
photographs of the cast >from that production.

While neither the Hebrew Union College Library staff nor the American
Jewish Historical Society is obligated to help in looking up or copying
material, they "Might" be willing to do that. A donation to the
organization would certainly be in order.

I copied the list of names covering Abramovich to Feld and Schweid to
Zanger. If seeking people falling within these names, I'll be happy to let
you know if it appears in the catalog.

David Harris
dharris1@...
Silver Spring, MD


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Posters and Photos #yiddish

David W. Harris <dharris1@...>
 

To the YT&V Group Members-
I had an opportunity to stop at the Cincinnati Hebrew Union College Klau
Library. The staff is great and helped me locate a number of books and
microfilms in record time.

One of the books is a "Catalog of the Abram & Frances Pasher Kanof
Collection of Yiddish Theatre and Motion Picture Posters". I believe the
actual collection is housed at the American Jewish Historical Society in
Waltham, Mass. The Catalog contains the names of many Yiddish Playwrights,
Composers and Performers and then lists the number of photos relating to
their specific productions.

As an example, an earlier message to the group researched a member related
to Moishe Schorr. The catalog references two productions of Moshe Shor,
one >from May 1916 at the Royal Theater. The collection claims to have 11
photographs of the cast >from that production.

While neither the Hebrew Union College Library staff nor the American
Jewish Historical Society is obligated to help in looking up or copying
material, they "Might" be willing to do that. A donation to the
organization would certainly be in order.

I copied the list of names covering Abramovich to Feld and Schweid to
Zanger. If seeking people falling within these names, I'll be happy to let
you know if it appears in the catalog.

David Harris
dharris1@...
Silver Spring, MD