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A lack of Hebrew on gravestones in London #general

Alan Karbritz <AlanK@...>
 

My great grandfather's stone in Marlow Road cemetery East Ham East
London (an orthodox cemetery) does not have his hebrew name. I
thought this might have been because some stones in this cemetery were
destroyed by enemy action during the war but I was told this was not
the case.

I needed to know the hebrew name and contacted the United Synagogue
who were able to give me the details very quickly.

When I have looked round this particular cemetery I have noticed a
number of stones without hebrew names but the vast majority do have
Hebrew names on them.

Alan Karbritz
Email AlanK@martinslowe.demon.co.uk
Edgware Middlesex UK
Re: A lack of Hebrew on gravestones in London - how strange! #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear Sheila,
Edmonton has two Jeiwsh cemeteries - a United and a Federation.
There has been a lot of mindless vandalism at the Federation site recently
(kids, rather than racists we believe) - but a recent visit there proved
very distressing.

I am not sure what point you were making in your reply, but having been to
both cemeteries - as well as others including Waltham Abbey, Bushey,
Cheshunt & Edgwarebury Lane I can confirm that stones are nearly always in
Hebrew & English.

In fact I have only ever seen one stone that was totally in English (my
ggrandmother) - at the Willesden Liberal Cemetery. Another ggrandfather is
buried in Carterhatch Lane, Enfield - and his stone is totally in Hebrew..

Regards,
Daniel Gleek

SHEILA TOFFELL <toffell@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

I have photo of my Grandfathers stone, which is in Edmonton, set in 1945.
It is of a very utilitarian style, with basic wording, but there is still
Hebrew there. It is possible that during the two world wars there was a
dearth of people to engrave the stones much past the English. But, having
grown up in the UK, and still having strong ties there, I can tell you
that things change very slowly in the mainstream of Judaism, outside of
the more liberal factions. I would hazard a guess that most practices of
the United Synagogue, which has the majority of members,is 20 years
behind that of the Conservative movement in the US, at least as far as
egalitarianism and rituals are concerned. I don't think that there would
have been a trend towards no Hebrew, unless it was among the more
assimilated Jews. It would be interesting to compare notes on different
areas - for example the cemeteries in Edmonton, North London and the
ones in East London,as opposed to those in NW London, in the newer and
more affluent suburbs.
Re; gravestones in london #general

annette reilly
 

My G/Grandfather is buried at Edmonton, I have yet to
get to London to see his grave but having spoken in
depth on the phone I was given what was written on the
head stone and this doesn't seem to include any
hebrew. He was buried in 1945.

regards Annette Reilly
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A lack of Hebrew on gravestones in London #general

Alan Karbritz <AlanK@...>
 

My great grandfather's stone in Marlow Road cemetery East Ham East
London (an orthodox cemetery) does not have his hebrew name. I
thought this might have been because some stones in this cemetery were
destroyed by enemy action during the war but I was told this was not
the case.

I needed to know the hebrew name and contacted the United Synagogue
who were able to give me the details very quickly.

When I have looked round this particular cemetery I have noticed a
number of stones without hebrew names but the vast majority do have
Hebrew names on them.

Alan Karbritz
Email AlanK@martinslowe.demon.co.uk
Edgware Middlesex UK
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A lack of Hebrew on gravestones in London - how strange! #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear Sheila,
Edmonton has two Jeiwsh cemeteries - a United and a Federation.
There has been a lot of mindless vandalism at the Federation site recently
(kids, rather than racists we believe) - but a recent visit there proved
very distressing.

I am not sure what point you were making in your reply, but having been to
both cemeteries - as well as others including Waltham Abbey, Bushey,
Cheshunt & Edgwarebury Lane I can confirm that stones are nearly always in
Hebrew & English.

In fact I have only ever seen one stone that was totally in English (my
ggrandmother) - at the Willesden Liberal Cemetery. Another ggrandfather is
buried in Carterhatch Lane, Enfield - and his stone is totally in Hebrew..

Regards,
Daniel Gleek

SHEILA TOFFELL <toffell@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

I have photo of my Grandfathers stone, which is in Edmonton, set in 1945.
It is of a very utilitarian style, with basic wording, but there is still
Hebrew there. It is possible that during the two world wars there was a
dearth of people to engrave the stones much past the English. But, having
grown up in the UK, and still having strong ties there, I can tell you
that things change very slowly in the mainstream of Judaism, outside of
the more liberal factions. I would hazard a guess that most practices of
the United Synagogue, which has the majority of members,is 20 years
behind that of the Conservative movement in the US, at least as far as
egalitarianism and rituals are concerned. I don't think that there would
have been a trend towards no Hebrew, unless it was among the more
assimilated Jews. It would be interesting to compare notes on different
areas - for example the cemeteries in Edmonton, North London and the
ones in East London,as opposed to those in NW London, in the newer and
more affluent suburbs.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re; gravestones in london #general

annette reilly
 

My G/Grandfather is buried at Edmonton, I have yet to
get to London to see his grave but having spoken in
depth on the phone I was given what was written on the
head stone and this doesn't seem to include any
hebrew. He was buried in 1945.

regards Annette Reilly
Tribe of Moshe Katsav #general

Colin C Overton <coverton@...>
 

I was wondering if anyone can tell me what >from what twelve tribes of
Jacob that President of Israel Moshe Katsav comes from. Any good sites
where more information can be found ?

Thanks

coverton@bigpond.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tribe of Moshe Katsav #general

Colin C Overton <coverton@...>
 

I was wondering if anyone can tell me what >from what twelve tribes of
Jacob that President of Israel Moshe Katsav comes from. Any good sites
where more information can be found ?

Thanks

coverton@bigpond.com
Kroenstate in South Africa #general

Mike Ross <nister@...>
 

If possible could someone in Kroenastate in South Africa find the following
Jewish graves for me and give me the Jewish names on them, including their
father's names

Itzik Tabac / Tabak died 21/12/61
Sam Tabac / Tabak
Henry Tabac Tabak

These were all brothers

Thank you
Mike Ross
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kroenstate in South Africa #general

Mike Ross <nister@...>
 

If possible could someone in Kroenastate in South Africa find the following
Jewish graves for me and give me the Jewish names on them, including their
father's names

Itzik Tabac / Tabak died 21/12/61
Sam Tabac / Tabak
Henry Tabac Tabak

These were all brothers

Thank you
Mike Ross
Re: German Records #general

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated 10/25/00 12:39:09 PM EDT, Jeff.Geizhals@Lazard.com writes:

My genealogical research has turned up a number of
relatives who lived in Germany. I know how to get
birth/marriage/death certificates >from Poland ($35.00 per record).
Any idea how to order these >from Germany?

Jeffrey Geizhals
A clarification here....

Jeffrey is not referring to COPIES of records ordered >from the Polish
State Archives which are more than 100 years old.

His reference is to EXTRACTS of records ordered at Polish Consulates
or Embassies. As I recall, the rate of $35 is the one used by the
Polish Consulate in New York and may be similar at other Consulates
in the U.S. Researchers should be aware that it is often worthwhile to
request such EXTRACTS directly >from Civil Records Offices who may
send it directly without charge or may send it via the Consulate route
with a cost similar to the one mentioned by Jeffrey.

For further information on ordering directly >from the Civil Records
Offices, consult Warren Blatt's PolandV Infofile on JewishGen.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
Re: German Records #general

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

Dear Jeffrey,

BMD records are available >from the Urkundenamt in each community.

I hope that helps SOME!

Best wishes,
Ernie
Falls Church, VA

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 Jeff.Geizhals@Lazard.com wrote:

My genealogical research has turned up a number of
relatives who lived in Germany. I know how to get
birth/marriage/death certificates >from Poland ($35.00 per record).
Any idea how to order these >from Germany?

Jeffrey Geizhals
JRI Poland #Poland Re: German Records #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated 10/25/00 12:39:09 PM EDT, Jeff.Geizhals@Lazard.com writes:

My genealogical research has turned up a number of
relatives who lived in Germany. I know how to get
birth/marriage/death certificates >from Poland ($35.00 per record).
Any idea how to order these >from Germany?

Jeffrey Geizhals
A clarification here....

Jeffrey is not referring to COPIES of records ordered >from the Polish
State Archives which are more than 100 years old.

His reference is to EXTRACTS of records ordered at Polish Consulates
or Embassies. As I recall, the rate of $35 is the one used by the
Polish Consulate in New York and may be similar at other Consulates
in the U.S. Researchers should be aware that it is often worthwhile to
request such EXTRACTS directly >from Civil Records Offices who may
send it directly without charge or may send it via the Consulate route
with a cost similar to the one mentioned by Jeffrey.

For further information on ordering directly >from the Civil Records
Offices, consult Warren Blatt's PolandV Infofile on JewishGen.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
JRI Poland #Poland Re: German Records #poland

Ernest G Holzmann <eholzman@...>
 

Dear Jeffrey,

BMD records are available >from the Urkundenamt in each community.

I hope that helps SOME!

Best wishes,
Ernie
Falls Church, VA

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 Jeff.Geizhals@Lazard.com wrote:

My genealogical research has turned up a number of
relatives who lived in Germany. I know how to get
birth/marriage/death certificates >from Poland ($35.00 per record).
Any idea how to order these >from Germany?

Jeffrey Geizhals
Meeting Announcement - IGS- Negev Israel #general

Shirley Rosen <shirli@...>
 

Meeting Announcement - November 2000
Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
Our second meeting of IGS-Negev branch for this year will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Nov. 1, 2000
Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)
Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer, near Beer Sheva
Our speaker will be AVIHU YANAI who will talk with humour about how not to
do genealogy, having made every mistake possible in searching for his
family. His mistakes, though logical, were unnecessary traps that we can
all learn from.

posted by:
Shirley Rosen
Beer Sheva, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meeting Announcement - IGS- Negev Israel #general

Shirley Rosen <shirli@...>
 

Meeting Announcement - November 2000
Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
Our second meeting of IGS-Negev branch for this year will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Nov. 1, 2000
Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)
Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer, near Beer Sheva
Our speaker will be AVIHU YANAI who will talk with humour about how not to
do genealogy, having made every mistake possible in searching for his
family. His mistakes, though logical, were unnecessary traps that we can
all learn from.

posted by:
Shirley Rosen
Beer Sheva, Israel
Warsaw Cemetery Records #poland

CAROLYN AND RICHARD ROSENSTEIN <KENTERWAY@...>
 

I also sent money for both extracts and photographs of 4 tombstones. About a
week ago, I did received the photographs - which are great - efforts were
made to highlight what is engraved on the tombstones - but I haven't
received the extracts - so I sent them a fax yesterday thanking them for the
photographs and telling them that I had not yet received the extracts - that
I did want and had paid for. I'll see what happens.

Carolyn Kaiman Rosenstein
Re: Modern vs. "old" Yiddish? #yizkorbooks

shana green <charna@...>
 

Dear Ronald,

the way I understand "geshtalt" is a figure, a personality. I checked
this with my friend who is a Yiddish teacher and Yiddish radio announcer.
hope this will help.
shana


I have been looking through one of the Kremenets Yizkor Books and am
having some difficulty translating some words . . .
<big snip>
JRI Poland #Poland Warsaw Cemetery Records #poland

CAROLYN AND RICHARD ROSENSTEIN <KENTERWAY@...>
 

I also sent money for both extracts and photographs of 4 tombstones. About a
week ago, I did received the photographs - which are great - efforts were
made to highlight what is engraved on the tombstones - but I haven't
received the extracts - so I sent them a fax yesterday thanking them for the
photographs and telling them that I had not yet received the extracts - that
I did want and had paid for. I'll see what happens.

Carolyn Kaiman Rosenstein
Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Re: Modern vs. "old" Yiddish? #yizkorbooks

shana green <charna@...>
 

Dear Ronald,

the way I understand "geshtalt" is a figure, a personality. I checked
this with my friend who is a Yiddish teacher and Yiddish radio announcer.
hope this will help.
shana


I have been looking through one of the Kremenets Yizkor Books and am
having some difficulty translating some words . . .
<big snip>
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