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Schwartztimma = Belaya Tserkov
#ukraine
Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
Schwartztimma is the name of White Church ment to identify Berdichev. I believe that should be Belaya Tserkov rather than Berdichev. Belaya Tserkov means White Church in Russian. The memoir at http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/stavishche.html refers to Belaya Tserkov (Shvarts Timeh). -- Alan Shuchat ashuchat@wellesley.edu Newton, Mass. Researching: SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Tavrig, Pogrebishche) VINOKUR (Talnoye) KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev) SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets) BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski) KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Schwartztimma = Belaya Tserkov
#ukraine
Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
Schwartztimma is the name of White Church ment to identify Berdichev. I believe that should be Belaya Tserkov rather than Berdichev. Belaya Tserkov means White Church in Russian. The memoir at http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/stavishche.html refers to Belaya Tserkov (Shvarts Timeh). -- Alan Shuchat ashuchat@wellesley.edu Newton, Mass. Researching: SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Tavrig, Pogrebishche) VINOKUR (Talnoye) KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev) SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets) BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski) KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)
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Red Army
#ukraine
SRivkin742@...
In a message dated 10/30/00 8:07:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
NFatouros@aol.com writes: << And it is also true that many Russians always harbored antisemitic feelings toward Jews even though and sometimes because many Jews or Russians of Jewish origin (i.e. "non-Jewish Jews") attained honors in science, literature, the arts, as well as high places in the Soviet government. >> - - - it goes and went far beyond this the anti-semites and proproganda - blamed the jews for many things - that they made up most of the con men , that they had helped create the peasant abuse of alcohol and were banned >from owning taverns that served alcohol in the early 1800's - so too were they banned >from types of real estate ownership - most of these restrictions seemed to have come about because the serfs who were in midevil situation - were angry and worries about an uprising were very possible - the government and the BS of the time scapegoated the jews as usual - that they kept the peasants down, took advantage of them, ripped them off - if I recall the serfs were only freed about 1866 which was followed by the murders of jews across the Ukraine - not large scale pograms. Again the freeing of the serfs headed off a possible revolt - and again the kindly govenment which wanted to free them >from thier misery blamed the jews again for much of the ills they experienced. Of course even wilder accusations against the jews would come up - such as blood libel accusations [some of these never went to trial as the jews accused were simply murdered] also whispers of Jewish plots and manipulation in the government were popular and grew throughtout the 1800's and early 1900's As the peasants and serfs were taught to hate the jews - so too the jews came to hate and resent the peasants. The murders, the robberies, the pograms, rapes, jew baiting [look it up] the military abuse, the police demanding bribes - when the military was involved in the pogram your neighbor and non-jewish fellow townsmen would be right behind the troops looting jewish homes. It was perhaps not as grim as the picture I paint - most of the time was business as usual and many jews had friends and business dealings with non-jews --but to often disaster stuck if not to them then to a jewish friend,relative or neighbor. Steve Rivkin
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Red Army
#ukraine
SRivkin742@...
In a message dated 10/30/00 8:07:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
NFatouros@aol.com writes: << And it is also true that many Russians always harbored antisemitic feelings toward Jews even though and sometimes because many Jews or Russians of Jewish origin (i.e. "non-Jewish Jews") attained honors in science, literature, the arts, as well as high places in the Soviet government. >> - - - it goes and went far beyond this the anti-semites and proproganda - blamed the jews for many things - that they made up most of the con men , that they had helped create the peasant abuse of alcohol and were banned >from owning taverns that served alcohol in the early 1800's - so too were they banned >from types of real estate ownership - most of these restrictions seemed to have come about because the serfs who were in midevil situation - were angry and worries about an uprising were very possible - the government and the BS of the time scapegoated the jews as usual - that they kept the peasants down, took advantage of them, ripped them off - if I recall the serfs were only freed about 1866 which was followed by the murders of jews across the Ukraine - not large scale pograms. Again the freeing of the serfs headed off a possible revolt - and again the kindly govenment which wanted to free them >from thier misery blamed the jews again for much of the ills they experienced. Of course even wilder accusations against the jews would come up - such as blood libel accusations [some of these never went to trial as the jews accused were simply murdered] also whispers of Jewish plots and manipulation in the government were popular and grew throughtout the 1800's and early 1900's As the peasants and serfs were taught to hate the jews - so too the jews came to hate and resent the peasants. The murders, the robberies, the pograms, rapes, jew baiting [look it up] the military abuse, the police demanding bribes - when the military was involved in the pogram your neighbor and non-jewish fellow townsmen would be right behind the troops looting jewish homes. It was perhaps not as grim as the picture I paint - most of the time was business as usual and many jews had friends and business dealings with non-jews --but to often disaster stuck if not to them then to a jewish friend,relative or neighbor. Steve Rivkin
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Re: Ships from Hamburg
#poland
BARBARU@...
In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leslie@safran26.freeserve.co.uk writes: << I have discovered my great grandfather left Europe >from Hamburg on the SS Bulgaria 16th February, 1903. Does anyone have any more information about this ship or know how I can find out about it? >> For Leslie and anyone else who wants information about a particular ship, you can go to this site, where you can find the microfilm numbers of the ship manifests. I believe that the site also has directions for ordering the rolls of microfilm. <A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html"> Immigrant and Passenger Arrivals on Microfilm</A> or go to: http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html This site has records of everyone who left Hamburg via ship. Unfortunately they have not yet finished posting all of the years online and we'll have to wait to get years such as 1903, the year that Leslie needs. More years are supposed to be posted in 2001. <A HREF="http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm">Hamburg passengers</A> or go to: http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm Barbara Adelman Seidman ADELMAN/EDELMAN/EIDELMANN/COHEN (Korsun/Kiyev) KOGEN/KOHEN/COHEN (Pododyi/Odessa) NUSBAUM/NUSBAUMER/WERTHEIM (Miedzyrzec/Siedlce/Warszawa)
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Re: Shetl - Sosnowiec not Sosnicowice: CORRECTION
#poland
Sorry folks, I made an error which one of our keen readers
immediately spotted. In writing the message about this town, my eye wandered as I checked the available 20th century records in Miriam Weiner's Jewish Roots in Poland. I wrote the town name Sosnicowice instead of the correct one, immediately below, i.e. Sosnowiec. The following message now reflects the current picture regarding records for Sosnowiec. In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:09 PM EST, Lanbunch@aol.com writes: Dear All,Glenn: The Jewish vital records of Sosnowiec only start in 1901 and because they are less than 100 years old and are not in the Polish State Archives (they are in the Sosnowiec civil records office) they are not available to JRI-Poland for indexing. However, according to Jeff Cymbler, prior to 1901, the events in this town were registered in the records of the nearby town of Bedzin. The Jewish vital records of Bedzin up to 1859 are available in the JRI-Poland database. >from 1860 to 1883 the vital record registers for Bedzin are in the Polish State Archives branch in Katowice. As yet there is no project underway to index the records in the Katowice Archives under the JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives project. An embarrassed Stanley Diamond Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Ships from Hamburg
#poland
BARBARU@...
In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leslie@safran26.freeserve.co.uk writes: << I have discovered my great grandfather left Europe >from Hamburg on the SS Bulgaria 16th February, 1903. Does anyone have any more information about this ship or know how I can find out about it? >> For Leslie and anyone else who wants information about a particular ship, you can go to this site, where you can find the microfilm numbers of the ship manifests. I believe that the site also has directions for ordering the rolls of microfilm. <A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html"> Immigrant and Passenger Arrivals on Microfilm</A> or go to: http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html This site has records of everyone who left Hamburg via ship. Unfortunately they have not yet finished posting all of the years online and we'll have to wait to get years such as 1903, the year that Leslie needs. More years are supposed to be posted in 2001. <A HREF="http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm">Hamburg passengers</A> or go to: http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm Barbara Adelman Seidman ADELMAN/EDELMAN/EIDELMANN/COHEN (Korsun/Kiyev) KOGEN/KOHEN/COHEN (Pododyi/Odessa) NUSBAUM/NUSBAUMER/WERTHEIM (Miedzyrzec/Siedlce/Warszawa)
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JRI Poland #Poland Re:Shetl - Sosnowiec not Sosnicowice: CORRECTION
#poland
Sorry folks, I made an error which one of our keen readers
immediately spotted. In writing the message about this town, my eye wandered as I checked the available 20th century records in Miriam Weiner's Jewish Roots in Poland. I wrote the town name Sosnicowice instead of the correct one, immediately below, i.e. Sosnowiec. The following message now reflects the current picture regarding records for Sosnowiec. In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:09 PM EST, Lanbunch@aol.com writes: Dear All,Glenn: The Jewish vital records of Sosnowiec only start in 1901 and because they are less than 100 years old and are not in the Polish State Archives (they are in the Sosnowiec civil records office) they are not available to JRI-Poland for indexing. However, according to Jeff Cymbler, prior to 1901, the events in this town were registered in the records of the nearby town of Bedzin. The Jewish vital records of Bedzin up to 1859 are available in the JRI-Poland database. >from 1860 to 1883 the vital record registers for Bedzin are in the Polish State Archives branch in Katowice. As yet there is no project underway to index the records in the Katowice Archives under the JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives project. An embarrassed Stanley Diamond Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
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Next steps??
#general
Howard M. Kaplan <howardmk@...>
I hope someone can quickly direct my next move productively. I've
received a photocopy of a page (#241) >from "the State of Minnesota, County of Ramsey, District Court, Second Judicial District, ...At a term of said court now being held, etc." saying "It is Ordered by the Court that the said I. Carnis be, and is hereby, admitted to be a Citizen of the United States." (signed) Edward G. Rogers, Clerk, by M.Norman, deputy. So it looks like my maternal grandfather really became a US citizen 12 Oct 1897, because he'd made "the requisite declaration" etc. and "lived within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for five years last past, and for one year last past within the State of Minnesota." N-o-w: How and >from whom do I find out how he got here, when & where he came from, when & where he was born, where & when he was married, where & when his wife was born and her maiden name: Robbins,Rabinovich, Rabinowitz?), & when & where his four sons were born, etc. His first daughter(my mother), was born in St. Paul, MN on 6 Dec 1895 and a second one, my aunt Rose, was born in Boston, MA 14 Dec 1897. Any and ALL guidance is deeply appreciated! Howard M. Kaplan Englewood, CO
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Next steps??
#general
Howard M. Kaplan <howardmk@...>
I hope someone can quickly direct my next move productively. I've
received a photocopy of a page (#241) >from "the State of Minnesota, County of Ramsey, District Court, Second Judicial District, ...At a term of said court now being held, etc." saying "It is Ordered by the Court that the said I. Carnis be, and is hereby, admitted to be a Citizen of the United States." (signed) Edward G. Rogers, Clerk, by M.Norman, deputy. So it looks like my maternal grandfather really became a US citizen 12 Oct 1897, because he'd made "the requisite declaration" etc. and "lived within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for five years last past, and for one year last past within the State of Minnesota." N-o-w: How and >from whom do I find out how he got here, when & where he came from, when & where he was born, where & when he was married, where & when his wife was born and her maiden name: Robbins,Rabinovich, Rabinowitz?), & when & where his four sons were born, etc. His first daughter(my mother), was born in St. Paul, MN on 6 Dec 1895 and a second one, my aunt Rose, was born in Boston, MA 14 Dec 1897. Any and ALL guidance is deeply appreciated! Howard M. Kaplan Englewood, CO
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german/cyrillic ocr
#general
Debbie Pomerance <dpomeran@...>
Hi -
I understand that there is German translation at www.genealogy.net. If I scan in a German or a Russian doc; will the ocr software be able to digitize it and then recreate it? Also - is anyone aware of where I can get Russian translations done? Thank you very much... I am new at this and it is hard. Debbie Pomerance Debbie Pomerance / mailto:dpomeran@cpcug.org Genealogy Research: Radomsko / Novaradomsk, Poland Hauptman Dickerman Applebaum Glicke Kremenchug, Ukraine Pomerance Rossman Koslovsky Sharinow Machlis
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen german/cyrillic ocr
#general
Debbie Pomerance <dpomeran@...>
Hi -
I understand that there is German translation at www.genealogy.net. If I scan in a German or a Russian doc; will the ocr software be able to digitize it and then recreate it? Also - is anyone aware of where I can get Russian translations done? Thank you very much... I am new at this and it is hard. Debbie Pomerance Debbie Pomerance / mailto:dpomeran@cpcug.org Genealogy Research: Radomsko / Novaradomsk, Poland Hauptman Dickerman Applebaum Glicke Kremenchug, Ukraine Pomerance Rossman Koslovsky Sharinow Machlis
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Re: Translation of a name
#belarus
Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
Mrs. Wegner's theory is quite interesting: IDA derives >from VIDA!?.
Why would the 'V' >from Vida be dropped is quite mysterious, specially considering that IDA in Spanish means 'journey', so it's a word for itself, not much to do with 'life'. According to sources of certain reputation, IDA is originally a Norman name, of Germanic origin. The name is also associated with mount IDA in Crete. Thanks Tom At 00:00 -0500 31.10.00, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote: >| Subject: RE: Translation of a name >| From: Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu> >| Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:45:48 -0400 >| X-Message-Number: 23 >| >| >Ida is Greek! It was a very high class name at the turn of the century. >| >When I was born, 1930, the German Jews were no longer naming their girls >| >Ida, but many Eastern European immigrants considered it a very high status >| >name for a girl whose Hebrew name was Haya. >| >Ida Selavan Schwarcz >| >Arad, Israel >| >| > >| The reason why Ida is commonly the secular name for a girl with the Hebrew >| name Hayah ("living") is that Ida is popularly assumed to be a version of >| Vida (Spanish version for the Latin word Vita, meaning "life." >| >| Judith Romney Wegner Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br> Sao Paulo - Brazil
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Translation of a name
#general
Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
Mrs. Wegner's theory is quite interesting: IDA derives >from VIDA!?.
Why would the 'V' >from Vida be dropped is quite mysterious, specially considering that IDA in Spanish means 'journey', so it's a word for itself, not much to do with 'life'. According to sources of certain reputation, IDA is originally a Norman name, of Germanic origin. The name is also associated with mount IDA in Crete. Thanks Tom At 00:00 -0500 31.10.00, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote: >| Subject: RE: Translation of a name >| From: Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu> >| Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:45:48 -0400 >| X-Message-Number: 23 >| >| >Ida is Greek! It was a very high class name at the turn of the century. >| >When I was born, 1930, the German Jews were no longer naming their girls >| >Ida, but many Eastern European immigrants considered it a very high status >| >name for a girl whose Hebrew name was Haya. >| >Ida Selavan Schwarcz >| >Arad, Israel >| >| > >| The reason why Ida is commonly the secular name for a girl with the Hebrew >| name Hayah ("living") is that Ida is popularly assumed to be a version of >| Vida (Spanish version for the Latin word Vita, meaning "life." >| >| Judith Romney Wegner Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br> Sao Paulo - Brazil
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Re: Zboro/Zbora
#hungary
moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
Hi,
There are 2 Zborov's to my knowledge. One is in Northern Slovakia, in Saros county, and one is in the Ukraine. Regarding records >from the Slovakian Zborov, you can view http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/resource/fhc.htm -Moishe Miller moishe@langsam.com <www.langsam.com> NYC
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Budapest Civil Records
#hungary
Patricia J. Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
Dear Siggers,
Has anyone gotten word when the rest of the Budapest Civil Records will be released by LDS? I'm particularly interested in District VII which has had only 1897 and 1895 released. Pat
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Zboro/Zbora
#hungary
moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
Hi,
There are 2 Zborov's to my knowledge. One is in Northern Slovakia, in Saros county, and one is in the Ukraine. Regarding records >from the Slovakian Zborov, you can view http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/resource/fhc.htm -Moishe Miller moishe@langsam.com <www.langsam.com> NYC
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest Civil Records
#hungary
Patricia J. Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
Dear Siggers,
Has anyone gotten word when the rest of the Budapest Civil Records will be released by LDS? I'm particularly interested in District VII which has had only 1897 and 1895 released. Pat
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GELLER
#general
bevphil <bevphil@...>
Looking for Herb Geller or his sister Claire Geller originally
from Brooklyn. They would be about 65-70 years old now. They arethe children of Morris Geller & Anna Alpert Geller. I have aphoto album of their Alpert grandparents 50th anniversary. If you can put me in touch with them, I would appreciate it. Respond privately to the email below. Felix DeFalco from Atlantabevphil@mindspring.com
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GELLER
#general
bevphil <bevphil@...>
Looking for Herb Geller or his sister Claire Geller originally
from Brooklyn. They would be about 65-70 years old now. They arethe children of Morris Geller & Anna Alpert Geller. I have aphoto album of their Alpert grandparents 50th anniversary. If you can put me in touch with them, I would appreciate it. Respond privately to the email below. Felix DeFalco from Atlantabevphil@mindspring.com
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