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Starobin Landsmanschaft #general

KissenaBlvd@...
 

I have a copy of a 'Souvenir Book' issued in 1936 by the Progressive
Starobiner Benevolent Association to commemorate the landsmanschaft's 35th
anniversary. The book has two lists of members -- one in English and one
in Yiddish. The lists are similar, but not identical.

Following are the surnames found on one or both lists:
A - Abramowitz, Amkowitz; B - Blank, Blevitsky, Blum, Blumenfeld,
Bobrowsky, Brodel, Brodotsky, Brodowsky, Brodsky, Butler; C - Chechik,
Chenkman, Chinitz, Cohen; D - Domenikofsky, Doroshinky, Dubin, Dubinett,
Dukoff; F - Feder, Feinberg, Feldsher, Findrush, Finkelstein, Fleishman,
Fridman, Fried, Friedenberg; G - Gabriel, Garfinkel, Gold, Goldin,
Goldsmith, Goldstein, Golowoy, Gordon, Greenwald; H - Hamnikowsky, Hanikel,
Herbsman, Hershowitz, Hirshowitz, Honig, Horowitz; J - Jacobs; K - Kahn,
Kaminsky, Kanet, Kantor, Kaplan, Kaufman, King, Krasnitz, Krevitsky,
Kroinus; L - Lansing, Leibowitz, Lelchuk, Leon, Levin, Levy, Liberman,
Lifrak, Lipshitz, Lubinstein; M - Malkus, Markov, Marshak, Mednick, Meisel,
Melnick, Milkowitz, Mitchel, Montauk, Moskalik, Moskowitz, Mushitzer; N -
Newman, Novick; O - Oliver, Oser, Ostrofsky; P - Paley, Pasamanick,
Pindrush, Piser, Polak, Port; R - Rabinowitz, Rapaport, Ratner, Ratshin,
Ravitch, Rheingold, Rhinegold, Rivin, Rubinson, Rubnitz; S - Sadoff,
Sadowsky, Schneider, Schwartz, Schweidelson, Seiman, Selikowitz, Shapiro,
Sheinkman, Shevrin, Shiplakoff, Shwerden, Silver, Silverman, Simon,
Slutsky, Smith, Starr, Sterling, Stessen, Sulin; T - Tepperman, Turetsky; W
- Warshal, Waxman, Wedlock, Weiner, Welkind, Wishnofsky, Wolfson; Y -
Yachnitz.

For further information contact me privately.

Ira Leibowitz
KissenaBlvd@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Starobin Landsmanschaft #general

KissenaBlvd@...
 

I have a copy of a 'Souvenir Book' issued in 1936 by the Progressive
Starobiner Benevolent Association to commemorate the landsmanschaft's 35th
anniversary. The book has two lists of members -- one in English and one
in Yiddish. The lists are similar, but not identical.

Following are the surnames found on one or both lists:
A - Abramowitz, Amkowitz; B - Blank, Blevitsky, Blum, Blumenfeld,
Bobrowsky, Brodel, Brodotsky, Brodowsky, Brodsky, Butler; C - Chechik,
Chenkman, Chinitz, Cohen; D - Domenikofsky, Doroshinky, Dubin, Dubinett,
Dukoff; F - Feder, Feinberg, Feldsher, Findrush, Finkelstein, Fleishman,
Fridman, Fried, Friedenberg; G - Gabriel, Garfinkel, Gold, Goldin,
Goldsmith, Goldstein, Golowoy, Gordon, Greenwald; H - Hamnikowsky, Hanikel,
Herbsman, Hershowitz, Hirshowitz, Honig, Horowitz; J - Jacobs; K - Kahn,
Kaminsky, Kanet, Kantor, Kaplan, Kaufman, King, Krasnitz, Krevitsky,
Kroinus; L - Lansing, Leibowitz, Lelchuk, Leon, Levin, Levy, Liberman,
Lifrak, Lipshitz, Lubinstein; M - Malkus, Markov, Marshak, Mednick, Meisel,
Melnick, Milkowitz, Mitchel, Montauk, Moskalik, Moskowitz, Mushitzer; N -
Newman, Novick; O - Oliver, Oser, Ostrofsky; P - Paley, Pasamanick,
Pindrush, Piser, Polak, Port; R - Rabinowitz, Rapaport, Ratner, Ratshin,
Ravitch, Rheingold, Rhinegold, Rivin, Rubinson, Rubnitz; S - Sadoff,
Sadowsky, Schneider, Schwartz, Schweidelson, Seiman, Selikowitz, Shapiro,
Sheinkman, Shevrin, Shiplakoff, Shwerden, Silver, Silverman, Simon,
Slutsky, Smith, Starr, Sterling, Stessen, Sulin; T - Tepperman, Turetsky; W
- Warshal, Waxman, Wedlock, Weiner, Welkind, Wishnofsky, Wolfson; Y -
Yachnitz.

For further information contact me privately.

Ira Leibowitz
KissenaBlvd@aol.com


The Origin Mystery #ukraine

Joan Rosen <jrosen@...>
 

My father's four sisters tried without success to elicit >from their
immigrant father any information beyond the name of the town where he
originated. He consistently replied with an immigrant's version of "that
was then, this is now." He did not want to talk about life there or even
more distant family who did not emigrate. His mission here was to become an
American and pretend it was always thus, never realizing just how thick an
accent he had!

Perhaps if he had lived a normal life span (he died in his late 50s) he
might have mellowed some. Lack of information in this case is not because
he did not have an interested audience.

Joan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joan Rosen
jrosen@voicenet.com
Elkins Park, Pa (outside Philadelphia)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine The Origin Mystery #ukraine

Joan Rosen <jrosen@...>
 

My father's four sisters tried without success to elicit >from their
immigrant father any information beyond the name of the town where he
originated. He consistently replied with an immigrant's version of "that
was then, this is now." He did not want to talk about life there or even
more distant family who did not emigrate. His mission here was to become an
American and pretend it was always thus, never realizing just how thick an
accent he had!

Perhaps if he had lived a normal life span (he died in his late 50s) he
might have mellowed some. Lack of information in this case is not because
he did not have an interested audience.

Joan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joan Rosen
jrosen@voicenet.com
Elkins Park, Pa (outside Philadelphia)


Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

The word "SHIL" is Yiddish for synagogue or center of Jewish learning

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Gowans <p2g@bigpond.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: [ukraine] RE: The origin mystery
I'd like to add another dimension to the origin mystery, and that is the
problem those of us with Jewish parents, or one Jewish parent, who married
a non-Jew and have, for whatever reason, little or no knowledge of Jewish
tradition or history to draw on. If it weren't for this this and other
lists, I'd never have heard of the word "shtetl", but it is possible that
my grandfather's family came >from one named "Shil". This list has been
helpful,
but there's always a small sense of not fitting in or not belonging that
accompanies my search for these lost ancestors. I'd say be patient with us
help us put together the missing pieces.

Thanks,
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: The origin mystery #ukraine

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

The word "SHIL" is Yiddish for synagogue or center of Jewish learning

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Gowans <p2g@bigpond.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: [ukraine] RE: The origin mystery
I'd like to add another dimension to the origin mystery, and that is the
problem those of us with Jewish parents, or one Jewish parent, who married
a non-Jew and have, for whatever reason, little or no knowledge of Jewish
tradition or history to draw on. If it weren't for this this and other
lists, I'd never have heard of the word "shtetl", but it is possible that
my grandfather's family came >from one named "Shil". This list has been
helpful,
but there's always a small sense of not fitting in or not belonging that
accompanies my search for these lost ancestors. I'd say be patient with us
help us put together the missing pieces.

Thanks,
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia


Surnames; Registration on the JGFF #ukraine

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

I noticed that folks were posting queries on the WEXLER Surname...
so while i was doing some research anyway, I looked through the
JewishGen Family Finder, ( http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff )
but couldnt find either of the two folks listed in the Family
Finder.

That puzzles me...why conduct the search on this discussion group,
yet not register on the JewishGen family finder??

Isn't that the best way to reach thousands of researchers?

Regards,
Phyllis (phylliskramer1@att.net) of Wilton & Savannah

Searching KRAMER, WISNER, BEIM >from JASIENICA, Galicia
STECHER, TRACHMAN, FEIR, KORNREICH >from ZMIGROD,Galicia
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/zmigrod/zmigrod.htm
LINDNER, MAUER, BERLIN, EICHEL >from ROHATYN, Galicia and YASI
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/rohatyn/rohatyn.htm
GUMBRECHT, ZIEGLER >from Hannover, Germany


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Surnames; Registration on the JGFF #ukraine

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

I noticed that folks were posting queries on the WEXLER Surname...
so while i was doing some research anyway, I looked through the
JewishGen Family Finder, ( http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff )
but couldnt find either of the two folks listed in the Family
Finder.

That puzzles me...why conduct the search on this discussion group,
yet not register on the JewishGen family finder??

Isn't that the best way to reach thousands of researchers?

Regards,
Phyllis (phylliskramer1@att.net) of Wilton & Savannah

Searching KRAMER, WISNER, BEIM >from JASIENICA, Galicia
STECHER, TRACHMAN, FEIR, KORNREICH >from ZMIGROD,Galicia
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/zmigrod/zmigrod.htm
LINDNER, MAUER, BERLIN, EICHEL >from ROHATYN, Galicia and YASI
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/rohatyn/rohatyn.htm
GUMBRECHT, ZIEGLER >from Hannover, Germany


Re: Photographs of Berezhany #ukraine

Roman Zakharii <zr@...>
 

To Carol Raspler:
Thanks for your comment. But at my site about Berezhany, I have included
whole collection of Berezhany area maps, just look at it more carefully,
there are maps both modern and pre war:
www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/berezhany.htm
Regards,
Roman Zakharii
Oslo, Norway, zr@uni.de

At 15:16 30.10.2000 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Friend: I want to compliment you on the excellent work you did your
your town site. But, can you tell me where there is a MAP that I can
look at to see where, exactly, Berezhany is/was? We are interested in
the district around Sambor, Thanks!
Carol Raspler, Delray
Beach, Florida


Yablonofsky #ukraine

Megan Cytron <megan@...>
 

Does anyone know what the name "YABLONOFSKY" means? Any information would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Megan Cytron
Washington, DC

Volhynia
--------
TOWNS: Belogorodka, Shumsk, Lachervitz, Belgor'ye, Slavuta
SURNAMES: CYTRON, LEDERMAN, LERNER, SHANKER, KASFIR, GASMER

Kiev
----
TOWNS: Katerinopol, Zvenigorodka
NAMES: YABLONOFSKY, DREBIN, SHOPSATREIBA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Photographs of Berezhany #ukraine

Roman Zakharii <zr@...>
 

To Carol Raspler:
Thanks for your comment. But at my site about Berezhany, I have included
whole collection of Berezhany area maps, just look at it more carefully,
there are maps both modern and pre war:
www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/berezhany.htm
Regards,
Roman Zakharii
Oslo, Norway, zr@uni.de

At 15:16 30.10.2000 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Friend: I want to compliment you on the excellent work you did your
your town site. But, can you tell me where there is a MAP that I can
look at to see where, exactly, Berezhany is/was? We are interested in
the district around Sambor, Thanks!
Carol Raspler, Delray
Beach, Florida


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Yablonofsky #ukraine

Megan Cytron <megan@...>
 

Does anyone know what the name "YABLONOFSKY" means? Any information would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Megan Cytron
Washington, DC

Volhynia
--------
TOWNS: Belogorodka, Shumsk, Lachervitz, Belgor'ye, Slavuta
SURNAMES: CYTRON, LEDERMAN, LERNER, SHANKER, KASFIR, GASMER

Kiev
----
TOWNS: Katerinopol, Zvenigorodka
NAMES: YABLONOFSKY, DREBIN, SHOPSATREIBA


Schwartztimma = Belaya Tserkov #ukraine

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

Schwartztimma is the name of White Church ment to identify Berdichev.

Bernis Kretchmar

I believe that should be Belaya Tserkov rather than Berdichev. Belaya
Tserkov means White Church in Russian. The memoir at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/stavishche.html refers to Belaya
Tserkov (Shvarts Timeh).
--
Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Schwartztimma = Belaya Tserkov #ukraine

Alan Shuchat <ashuchat@...>
 

Schwartztimma is the name of White Church ment to identify Berdichev.

Bernis Kretchmar

I believe that should be Belaya Tserkov rather than Berdichev. Belaya
Tserkov means White Church in Russian. The memoir at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/stavishche.html refers to Belaya
Tserkov (Shvarts Timeh).
--
Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu
Newton, Mass.

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Red Army #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

In a message dated 10/30/00 8:07:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
NFatouros@aol.com writes:

<< And it is also true that many Russians always harbored antisemitic feelings
toward Jews even though and sometimes because many Jews or Russians of Jewish
origin (i.e. "non-Jewish Jews") attained honors in science, literature,
the arts, as well as high places in the Soviet government. >>
- - -
it goes and went far beyond this the anti-semites and proproganda - blamed
the jews for many things - that they made up most of the con men , that
they had helped create the peasant abuse of alcohol and were banned >from
owning taverns that served alcohol in the early 1800's - so too were they
banned >from types of real estate ownership - most of these restrictions
seemed to have come about because the serfs who were in midevil situation
- were angry and worries about an uprising were very possible - the
government and the BS of the time scapegoated the jews as usual - that
they kept the peasants down, took advantage of them, ripped them off -
if I recall the serfs were only freed about 1866 which was followed by
the murders of jews across the Ukraine - not large scale pograms. Again
the freeing of the serfs headed off a possible revolt - and again the
kindly govenment which wanted to free them >from thier misery blamed the
jews again for much of the ills they experienced. Of course even wilder
accusations against the jews would come up - such as blood libel
accusations [some of these never went to trial as the jews accused were
simply murdered] also whispers of Jewish plots and manipulation in the
government were popular and grew throughtout the 1800's and early 1900's

As the peasants and serfs were taught to hate the jews - so too the jews
came to hate and resent the peasants. The murders, the robberies, the
pograms, rapes, jew baiting [look it up] the military abuse, the police
demanding bribes - when the military was involved in the pogram your
neighbor and non-jewish fellow townsmen would be right behind the troops
looting jewish homes. It was perhaps not as grim as the picture I paint -
most of the time was business as usual and many jews had friends and
business dealings with non-jews --but to often disaster stuck
if not to them then to a jewish friend,relative or neighbor.

Steve Rivkin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Red Army #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

In a message dated 10/30/00 8:07:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
NFatouros@aol.com writes:

<< And it is also true that many Russians always harbored antisemitic feelings
toward Jews even though and sometimes because many Jews or Russians of Jewish
origin (i.e. "non-Jewish Jews") attained honors in science, literature,
the arts, as well as high places in the Soviet government. >>
- - -
it goes and went far beyond this the anti-semites and proproganda - blamed
the jews for many things - that they made up most of the con men , that
they had helped create the peasant abuse of alcohol and were banned >from
owning taverns that served alcohol in the early 1800's - so too were they
banned >from types of real estate ownership - most of these restrictions
seemed to have come about because the serfs who were in midevil situation
- were angry and worries about an uprising were very possible - the
government and the BS of the time scapegoated the jews as usual - that
they kept the peasants down, took advantage of them, ripped them off -
if I recall the serfs were only freed about 1866 which was followed by
the murders of jews across the Ukraine - not large scale pograms. Again
the freeing of the serfs headed off a possible revolt - and again the
kindly govenment which wanted to free them >from thier misery blamed the
jews again for much of the ills they experienced. Of course even wilder
accusations against the jews would come up - such as blood libel
accusations [some of these never went to trial as the jews accused were
simply murdered] also whispers of Jewish plots and manipulation in the
government were popular and grew throughtout the 1800's and early 1900's

As the peasants and serfs were taught to hate the jews - so too the jews
came to hate and resent the peasants. The murders, the robberies, the
pograms, rapes, jew baiting [look it up] the military abuse, the police
demanding bribes - when the military was involved in the pogram your
neighbor and non-jewish fellow townsmen would be right behind the troops
looting jewish homes. It was perhaps not as grim as the picture I paint -
most of the time was business as usual and many jews had friends and
business dealings with non-jews --but to often disaster stuck
if not to them then to a jewish friend,relative or neighbor.

Steve Rivkin


Re: Ships from Hamburg #poland

BARBARU@...
 

In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leslie@safran26.freeserve.co.uk writes:

<<
I have discovered my great grandfather left Europe >from Hamburg
on the SS Bulgaria 16th February, 1903.
Does anyone have any more information about this ship or know how
I can find out about it? >>

For Leslie and anyone else who wants information about a particular ship, you
can go to this site, where you can find the microfilm numbers of the ship
manifests. I believe that the site also has directions for ordering the
rolls of microfilm.
<A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html">
Immigrant and Passenger Arrivals on Microfilm</A> or go to:
http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html


This site has records of everyone who left Hamburg via ship. Unfortunately
they have not yet finished posting all of the years online and we'll have to
wait to get years such as 1903, the year that Leslie needs. More years are
supposed to be posted in 2001.
<A HREF="http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm">Hamburg
passengers</A> or go to:
http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm

Barbara Adelman Seidman
ADELMAN/EDELMAN/EIDELMANN/COHEN (Korsun/Kiyev)
KOGEN/KOHEN/COHEN (Pododyi/Odessa)
NUSBAUM/NUSBAUMER/WERTHEIM (Miedzyrzec/Siedlce/Warszawa)


Re: Shetl - Sosnowiec not Sosnicowice: CORRECTION #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Sorry folks, I made an error which one of our keen readers
immediately spotted. In writing the message about this town,
my eye wandered as I checked the available 20th century
records in Miriam Weiner's Jewish Roots in Poland. I wrote
the town name Sosnicowice instead of the correct one,
immediately below, i.e. Sosnowiec. The following message
now reflects the current picture regarding records for Sosnowiec.

In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:09 PM EST, Lanbunch@aol.com writes:

Dear All,
My ancesters are >from Susnowiec, Poland. But I have not found or is
there mention of this town. Please help.
Glenn Landsman
Lanbunch@aol.com
Glenn:

The Jewish vital records of Sosnowiec only start in 1901 and
because they are less than 100 years old and are not in the
Polish State Archives (they are in the Sosnowiec civil records
office) they are not available to JRI-Poland for indexing.

However, according to Jeff Cymbler, prior to 1901, the events
in this town were registered in the records of the nearby town
of Bedzin. The Jewish vital records of Bedzin up to 1859
are available in the JRI-Poland database. >from 1860 to 1883
the vital record registers for Bedzin are in the Polish State
Archives branch in Katowice. As yet there is no project
underway to index the records in the Katowice Archives
under the JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives project.

An embarrassed Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Ships from Hamburg #poland

BARBARU@...
 

In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:08:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leslie@safran26.freeserve.co.uk writes:

<<
I have discovered my great grandfather left Europe >from Hamburg
on the SS Bulgaria 16th February, 1903.
Does anyone have any more information about this ship or know how
I can find out about it? >>

For Leslie and anyone else who wants information about a particular ship, you
can go to this site, where you can find the microfilm numbers of the ship
manifests. I believe that the site also has directions for ordering the
rolls of microfilm.
<A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html">
Immigrant and Passenger Arrivals on Microfilm</A> or go to:
http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html


This site has records of everyone who left Hamburg via ship. Unfortunately
they have not yet finished posting all of the years online and we'll have to
wait to get years such as 1903, the year that Leslie needs. More years are
supposed to be posted in 2001.
<A HREF="http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm">Hamburg
passengers</A> or go to:
http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm

Barbara Adelman Seidman
ADELMAN/EDELMAN/EIDELMANN/COHEN (Korsun/Kiyev)
KOGEN/KOHEN/COHEN (Pododyi/Odessa)
NUSBAUM/NUSBAUMER/WERTHEIM (Miedzyrzec/Siedlce/Warszawa)


JRI Poland #Poland Re:Shetl - Sosnowiec not Sosnicowice: CORRECTION #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

Sorry folks, I made an error which one of our keen readers
immediately spotted. In writing the message about this town,
my eye wandered as I checked the available 20th century
records in Miriam Weiner's Jewish Roots in Poland. I wrote
the town name Sosnicowice instead of the correct one,
immediately below, i.e. Sosnowiec. The following message
now reflects the current picture regarding records for Sosnowiec.

In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:09 PM EST, Lanbunch@aol.com writes:

Dear All,
My ancesters are >from Susnowiec, Poland. But I have not found or is
there mention of this town. Please help.
Glenn Landsman
Lanbunch@aol.com
Glenn:

The Jewish vital records of Sosnowiec only start in 1901 and
because they are less than 100 years old and are not in the
Polish State Archives (they are in the Sosnowiec civil records
office) they are not available to JRI-Poland for indexing.

However, according to Jeff Cymbler, prior to 1901, the events
in this town were registered in the records of the nearby town
of Bedzin. The Jewish vital records of Bedzin up to 1859
are available in the JRI-Poland database. >from 1860 to 1883
the vital record registers for Bedzin are in the Polish State
Archives branch in Katowice. As yet there is no project
underway to index the records in the Katowice Archives
under the JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives project.

An embarrassed Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland