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Belmar, NJ #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

Thanks to all for the information on Belmar, N.J. with the possible
exception of the person who told me to look on a map.

Stacy Harris


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Belmar, NJ #general

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Thanks to all for the information on Belmar, N.J. with the possible
exception of the person who told me to look on a map.

Stacy Harris


Re: The name Bashe or Basha #general

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

In my experience I have found Bashe to be a women's name, although
I have come across a Bushy or Bushinkel as a nickname for a youngest
child who was a boy.

Abraham J. Heschel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The name Bashe or Basha #general

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

In my experience I have found Bashe to be a women's name, although
I have come across a Bushy or Bushinkel as a nickname for a youngest
child who was a boy.

Abraham J. Heschel


Zhitomer testimonies at Yad V'Shem #ukraine

Gilda and Bob Kurtzman <gildak@...>
 

I got the names >from the Beit Volin library in Givatayim which is a branch of Yad
V'Shem. They told me that in order to access the names we would have to go to the
Yad V'Shem ARCHIVES (and not the library). Since we live in Israel the librarian at
Beit Volin did not tell me how to access them by internet. First, I suggest you try
to find the website for Yad V'Shem and see if the testimonies in the archives can be
ordered by internet. Second, if not, please let me know. Although we do not plan to
go to the Archives in the near future because we have already spent some time at the
library and we don't live in Petach Tikva, there is a possibility that at some future
date we will be able to get there. I am not looking for myself but was looking for
Mickey Freedman who has done me a few favors in the US and I found the material he
needed at Beit Volin. But, my husband is looking for background material on his town
and was told to look at the testimonies so I think he will go up there sometime over
the winter (and to visit the grandchildren).

The testimonies *might* be in Hebrew or Yiddish. Do you read either? Right now the
information on Zhitomer we got for Mickey is in Hebrew and we are going to have to
sit down and translate it all for him.

Before I came on aliyah in 1972, I lived in Far Rockaway. Almost neighbors!

Gilda Kurtzman
gildak@zahav.net.il
Petach Tikva, Israel

-->The above list has some interest to me since it includes a Rotenberg -

which is how my grandfather spelled his name on some documents and he came
from a town a few miles >from Zhitomir . How do I access Rachel Rotenberg
and where can I access her statement?


Re: TROTSKY AS BRONSTEIN #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

8 Heshvan 5761
Monday, November 06, 2000

Dear All & especially to all the BRONSTEIN's:
In 1971, The Jewish Publication Society published the book "Trotsky
and the Jews" by Joseph Nedava. It contains numerous quotes >from
Trotsky's book My Life. I am sure that the book is long out of print & I
don't know how easy it will be to find in libraries. Of special interest
to genealogists may be the following: page 28 - "My father, David
Leonteivich BRONSTEIN, was a farmer [Trotsky wrote in his autobiography].
As a little boy, he had left with his parents the Jewish town in the
province of Poltava, where he had been born, when they went to seek their
fortune on the free steppes of the South. There were at that time about
forty Jewish agricultural colonies in the provinces of Kherson and
Ekaterinoslav, with a total population of about 25,000 souls." Nedava
adds, "When the Jews were expelled >from the villages (for under the 1804
statute, one regulation expelled Jews >from the villages while another
invited them to till the soil), many families answered the call. Within
fifty years three successive waves of would-be settlers moved to the
south. The BRONSTEIN family must have participated in the second
migration, sometime in the 1830's. Some of the villages were given
Hebrew names: Seidemenuka (Field of Rest), Nahartav (Good River),
Yefenahar (Fair River.)" There is not much more about his early years.
One other memorable quote in the book which I heard many years before the
book came out is found on page 167: "When in 1921 the chief
rabbi of Moscow, Rabbi Jacob Maze, appeared before TROTSKY to plead for the
Russian Jews. TROTSKY was reputed to have answered him, as he had done on
various previous occasions, that he was a Bolshevik revolutionary and did
not consider himself a Jew. To this Rabbi Maze replied: "The TROTSKYs
make the revolutions, and the BRONSTEINs pay the bills."" A few years
back Commentary magazine carried an article about some
of TROTSKY's descendants. One of his great-grandsons is a frum Jew living
in Kiryat Arba a suburb of Hebron.

Shalom BRONSTEIN, Jerusalem
Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)

Original Messages
From: Max Stool [mailto:makstool@delrio.com]
Subject: [ukraine] Re: TROTSKY AS BRONSTEIN

Dennis, I read with interest your posting. My mother, who came from
Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, told me that her mother's family name was
BRONSTEIN and that was TROTSKY's name before he changed it.
Max Stool
Del Rio, TX

From: <Pharmer329@aol.com>
Subject: [ukraine] TROTSKY AS BRONSTEIN

"Dear Udi,
I am at work now& don't have access to references, but Leon TROTSKY's
real name was BRONSTEIN. He came >from a rich family near Elizabethgrad
now Kirovohrad......"
Dennis BROWN (BRONSTEIN)
Cheltenham,Pa


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Zhitomer testimonies at Yad V'Shem #ukraine

Gilda and Bob Kurtzman <gildak@...>
 

I got the names >from the Beit Volin library in Givatayim which is a branch of Yad
V'Shem. They told me that in order to access the names we would have to go to the
Yad V'Shem ARCHIVES (and not the library). Since we live in Israel the librarian at
Beit Volin did not tell me how to access them by internet. First, I suggest you try
to find the website for Yad V'Shem and see if the testimonies in the archives can be
ordered by internet. Second, if not, please let me know. Although we do not plan to
go to the Archives in the near future because we have already spent some time at the
library and we don't live in Petach Tikva, there is a possibility that at some future
date we will be able to get there. I am not looking for myself but was looking for
Mickey Freedman who has done me a few favors in the US and I found the material he
needed at Beit Volin. But, my husband is looking for background material on his town
and was told to look at the testimonies so I think he will go up there sometime over
the winter (and to visit the grandchildren).

The testimonies *might* be in Hebrew or Yiddish. Do you read either? Right now the
information on Zhitomer we got for Mickey is in Hebrew and we are going to have to
sit down and translate it all for him.

Before I came on aliyah in 1972, I lived in Far Rockaway. Almost neighbors!

Gilda Kurtzman
gildak@zahav.net.il
Petach Tikva, Israel

-->The above list has some interest to me since it includes a Rotenberg -

which is how my grandfather spelled his name on some documents and he came
from a town a few miles >from Zhitomir . How do I access Rachel Rotenberg
and where can I access her statement?


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: TROTSKY AS BRONSTEIN #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

8 Heshvan 5761
Monday, November 06, 2000

Dear All & especially to all the BRONSTEIN's:
In 1971, The Jewish Publication Society published the book "Trotsky
and the Jews" by Joseph Nedava. It contains numerous quotes >from
Trotsky's book My Life. I am sure that the book is long out of print & I
don't know how easy it will be to find in libraries. Of special interest
to genealogists may be the following: page 28 - "My father, David
Leonteivich BRONSTEIN, was a farmer [Trotsky wrote in his autobiography].
As a little boy, he had left with his parents the Jewish town in the
province of Poltava, where he had been born, when they went to seek their
fortune on the free steppes of the South. There were at that time about
forty Jewish agricultural colonies in the provinces of Kherson and
Ekaterinoslav, with a total population of about 25,000 souls." Nedava
adds, "When the Jews were expelled >from the villages (for under the 1804
statute, one regulation expelled Jews >from the villages while another
invited them to till the soil), many families answered the call. Within
fifty years three successive waves of would-be settlers moved to the
south. The BRONSTEIN family must have participated in the second
migration, sometime in the 1830's. Some of the villages were given
Hebrew names: Seidemenuka (Field of Rest), Nahartav (Good River),
Yefenahar (Fair River.)" There is not much more about his early years.
One other memorable quote in the book which I heard many years before the
book came out is found on page 167: "When in 1921 the chief
rabbi of Moscow, Rabbi Jacob Maze, appeared before TROTSKY to plead for the
Russian Jews. TROTSKY was reputed to have answered him, as he had done on
various previous occasions, that he was a Bolshevik revolutionary and did
not consider himself a Jew. To this Rabbi Maze replied: "The TROTSKYs
make the revolutions, and the BRONSTEINs pay the bills."" A few years
back Commentary magazine carried an article about some
of TROTSKY's descendants. One of his great-grandsons is a frum Jew living
in Kiryat Arba a suburb of Hebron.

Shalom BRONSTEIN, Jerusalem
Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)

Original Messages
From: Max Stool [mailto:makstool@delrio.com]
Subject: [ukraine] Re: TROTSKY AS BRONSTEIN

Dennis, I read with interest your posting. My mother, who came from
Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, told me that her mother's family name was
BRONSTEIN and that was TROTSKY's name before he changed it.
Max Stool
Del Rio, TX

From: <Pharmer329@aol.com>
Subject: [ukraine] TROTSKY AS BRONSTEIN

"Dear Udi,
I am at work now& don't have access to references, but Leon TROTSKY's
real name was BRONSTEIN. He came >from a rich family near Elizabethgrad
now Kirovohrad......"
Dennis BROWN (BRONSTEIN)
Cheltenham,Pa


Re: Re Yelisevetgrad #ukraine

Howard Bensen <aj680@...>
 

HELENHARV@aol.com wrote:

Recently, Dmitry wrote about Yelisevetgrad and said the place was
renamed by the Soviets to Kirovograd. I had the notion the more recent
name is Kirovohrad and it was located in the gubernia of Cherson. Could
someone inform me regarding which name is correct?
You've probably received a ton of answers by now, since I'm a little late
in reading my email. I had a similar proplem with a place spelled either
Gorodishche or Horodishche. I finally concluded that a Cyrillic equivalent to "G" is pronounced as "H".

If you receive any more scientific explanation, please forward a copy to me.

Howard Bensen
Woodland Hills, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Re Yelisevetgrad #ukraine

Howard Bensen <aj680@...>
 

HELENHARV@aol.com wrote:

Recently, Dmitry wrote about Yelisevetgrad and said the place was
renamed by the Soviets to Kirovograd. I had the notion the more recent
name is Kirovohrad and it was located in the gubernia of Cherson. Could
someone inform me regarding which name is correct?
You've probably received a ton of answers by now, since I'm a little late
in reading my email. I had a similar proplem with a place spelled either
Gorodishche or Horodishche. I finally concluded that a Cyrillic equivalent to "G" is pronounced as "H".

If you receive any more scientific explanation, please forward a copy to me.

Howard Bensen
Woodland Hills, CA


Re: Samgorodok #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his messages of September 28,2000 and of November 5,2000, Len Chernos
asked about "Samgorodok." In the earlier of the two he wrote that his
research had found three Samgorodoks.

My 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer has an entry for only one Samgorodok.
It says only of the town that in 1926 it had a population of 4,221, is (or
was?) in the North Vinnitsa oblast,is 25 miles northeast of Vinnitsa, and
is noted for metalworks and kaolin.


Without more hints >from his family history, I don't know how Mr. Chernos
can determine whether the C-L entry is the right Samgorodok.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Samgorodok #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In his messages of September 28,2000 and of November 5,2000, Len Chernos
asked about "Samgorodok." In the earlier of the two he wrote that his
research had found three Samgorodoks.

My 1962 Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer has an entry for only one Samgorodok.
It says only of the town that in 1926 it had a population of 4,221, is (or
was?) in the North Vinnitsa oblast,is 25 miles northeast of Vinnitsa, and
is noted for metalworks and kaolin.


Without more hints >from his family history, I don't know how Mr. Chernos
can determine whether the C-L entry is the right Samgorodok.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse.


Miriam Weiner's book #poland

bobroth1@...
 

Ellen in Casselberry, FL mentioned that she found out >from Miriam
Weiner's book that only 2-3 Jewish families were living in Bielcza at the
time of the Shoah. Can someone answer the following:
1) What is Miriam Weiner's book and how can it be found?
2) I would like to obtain similar information for the town of Ostashin,
Belarus. Would Miriam Weiner's book cover Belarus?
Thanks to all for your help.
Bob Roth
bobroth1@juno.com
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JRI Poland #Poland Miriam Weiner's book #poland

bobroth1@...
 

Ellen in Casselberry, FL mentioned that she found out >from Miriam
Weiner's book that only 2-3 Jewish families were living in Bielcza at the
time of the Shoah. Can someone answer the following:
1) What is Miriam Weiner's book and how can it be found?
2) I would like to obtain similar information for the town of Ostashin,
Belarus. Would Miriam Weiner's book cover Belarus?
Thanks to all for your help.
Bob Roth
bobroth1@juno.com
________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
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Re: Starting out #ukraine

David Cantor <David@...>
 

Greetings >from England


Having just embarked on researching my ancestory I have been fascinated by
the messages sent via the Ukraine SIG. Being a 'mischling'I can relate
very much to Paula Gowans in Australia and the difficulties posed by having
Jewish and non-Jewish parentage. The matter has also been made more
difficult by a 'mini diaspora' during WW11 when many people were evacuated
to country areas to avoid the bombs falling on London. Anyhow, my
Grandmother nee Sarah SCHWARTZ came >from Sigivka (now Dzgivka) near Yampol
on the Dneister river. My grandfather Philip(aka Pina?)CANTOR the family
legend has it was >from Kiev, that's all I know. Date of arrival in England
unknown.

If anybody has information about Sigivka or can offer advice, it would be
much appreciated.

Good luck in your quests

David Cantor

david@barwell.co.uk


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE:Starting out #ukraine

David Cantor <David@...>
 

Greetings >from England


Having just embarked on researching my ancestory I have been fascinated by
the messages sent via the Ukraine SIG. Being a 'mischling'I can relate
very much to Paula Gowans in Australia and the difficulties posed by having
Jewish and non-Jewish parentage. The matter has also been made more
difficult by a 'mini diaspora' during WW11 when many people were evacuated
to country areas to avoid the bombs falling on London. Anyhow, my
Grandmother nee Sarah SCHWARTZ came >from Sigivka (now Dzgivka) near Yampol
on the Dneister river. My grandfather Philip(aka Pina?)CANTOR the family
legend has it was >from Kiev, that's all I know. Date of arrival in England
unknown.

If anybody has information about Sigivka or can offer advice, it would be
much appreciated.

Good luck in your quests

David Cantor

david@barwell.co.uk


Myaskofka, Russia #general

David & Diana Goldenberg <danddgoldenberg@...>
 

Dear Genners-
I am seeking help in locating Myaskofka, Russia. I managed to obtain
the Petition for Naturalization belonging to my grandfather, Abraham
David Goldenberg. He arrived in NY 10/13/03, on the Vaderland. He
listed Myaskofka as his place of birth.
Any help would be appreciated.

David Goldenberg
Milwaukee, WI


Regarding Jewish Communal Register #general

marshall shapiro <mkshapiro@...>
 

I recently posted a message about the jewish communal
register and made an error. My grandfather, the barber,
is Jacob Epstein, not Shapiro.
My grandfather the butcher was Julius Shapiro.
Sorry for the confusion.
Marshall Shapiro
mkshapiro@hotmail.com


Social Security Death Index #general

Roberta Berman <danber@...>
 

I sent away for 4 SS-5's in July. Within a month, I received 3 of
them. The last one has not arrived as yet and I think my request must
have gotten lost somewhere. I mailed the 4 requests in 4 separate
envelopes with 4 separate letters and 4 separate checks to: SSA, Office
of Central Records Operations, Attention: FOIA Workgroup, PO Box 17772,
300 N. Greene St., Baltimore, MD 21290.

I am having difficulty locating a telephone number so I can find out
where the missing SS-5 is. I called the 800 information number, but
they were unable to find a phone number for that office.

Does anyone have the phone number?

TIA,
Roberta Wagner Berman
San Diego, CA


The name Bashe or Basha #general

AIChernoff@...
 

Would anyone know whether the name Basha or Bashe was generally a man's
name? The individual bearing this name came >from Belarus in the early
1900's.
Thanks

Amoz Chernoff
Potomac, MD