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Re: Marriages in the Austro-Hungarian Empire #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

I have a problem with this message. There were no Austro-Hungarian
laws. Hungary for example had its own corpus juris. The situation was
quite different in Moravia. Could you identify the law you are
referring to?

P.I.H.

Has anyone come across this situation in their research of Hungarian roots?

At 12:00 AM -0600 11/29/00, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
Subject: Re: Jewish Marriages
From: "Doug Cohen" <DMCohen@tiac.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:33:52 -0500
X-Message-Number: 51

Under Austo-Hungarian law, only one marriage permit was issued per family,
and then only if a significant fee was paid. For instance, if a family had
five children, only one could legally be married.

The result is that a great many couples were married by a Rabbi "according
to the law of Moses and the traditions of Israel", but not according to the
law of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The marriage would therefore not be
recorded by the civil authorities.

Children of such couples would be listed in the Austro-Hungarian metrical
records as illegitimate.

Just another example of legal discrimination against Jews.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
--
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Marriages in the Austro-Hungarian Empire #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <thidas@...>
 

I have a problem with this message. There were no Austro-Hungarian
laws. Hungary for example had its own corpus juris. The situation was
quite different in Moravia. Could you identify the law you are
referring to?

P.I.H.

Has anyone come across this situation in their research of Hungarian roots?

At 12:00 AM -0600 11/29/00, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
Subject: Re: Jewish Marriages
From: "Doug Cohen" <DMCohen@tiac.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:33:52 -0500
X-Message-Number: 51

Under Austo-Hungarian law, only one marriage permit was issued per family,
and then only if a significant fee was paid. For instance, if a family had
five children, only one could legally be married.

The result is that a great many couples were married by a Rabbi "according
to the law of Moses and the traditions of Israel", but not according to the
law of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The marriage would therefore not be
recorded by the civil authorities.

Children of such couples would be listed in the Austro-Hungarian metrical
records as illegitimate.

Just another example of legal discrimination against Jews.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
--
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com

At my home page you can find some of my writings:
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas


Re: Need translation of ViewMate - File - VM118 Polish/Belorusyn #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Letter >from my grandfather Abraham Rafalowitz 1940,
circa. Arabic characters written in Polish/Belorusyn
combination ??? I need your help with translation.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
Because the body of the above message failed to state the VM number of the
photograph in question, I am betting that someone who would have liked to
help out may have dismissed the task as impossible. (It's pure accident
that in hitting "reply" to inform the poster of his crucial omission, I
saw the VM number only because the subject line automatically shows up at
the top of my reply screen.)

Some of us have complained before about people omitting essential facts
(usually the very surname or town they are researching!) because they think
it suffices to state it in the header alone. But it doesn't -- and here's
why: Although headers are usually shorter than messages, the maneuver of
ploughing through a header to discern the subject line often takes more
seconds than speedreading the message itself. Therefore, most readers
simply can't and won't waste valuable time on the header unless they have
first determined that the subject matter interests them. In this
particular case someone who might have been able to help the questioner
probably failed to do so because the VM number of the photograph did not
appear in the body of the message -- making lookup seem impossible!

Of about 100 jgen messages piled up at home during a recent trip, at
least five had failed to include the subject in the text of the message.
Extrapolating >from this random sample, it seems that 5% of jgen posters may
be wasting their own time as well as everyone else's, because their
messages get deleted immediately due to incomplete statement of subject
matter!

If we desire responses, we should have the courtesy to make our requests as
user-friendly as possible -- and that means stating the subject in the
message itself, not merely in the header.

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need translation of ViewMate - File - VM118 Polish/Belorusyn #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Letter >from my grandfather Abraham Rafalowitz 1940,
circa. Arabic characters written in Polish/Belorusyn
combination ??? I need your help with translation.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/
Because the body of the above message failed to state the VM number of the
photograph in question, I am betting that someone who would have liked to
help out may have dismissed the task as impossible. (It's pure accident
that in hitting "reply" to inform the poster of his crucial omission, I
saw the VM number only because the subject line automatically shows up at
the top of my reply screen.)

Some of us have complained before about people omitting essential facts
(usually the very surname or town they are researching!) because they think
it suffices to state it in the header alone. But it doesn't -- and here's
why: Although headers are usually shorter than messages, the maneuver of
ploughing through a header to discern the subject line often takes more
seconds than speedreading the message itself. Therefore, most readers
simply can't and won't waste valuable time on the header unless they have
first determined that the subject matter interests them. In this
particular case someone who might have been able to help the questioner
probably failed to do so because the VM number of the photograph did not
appear in the body of the message -- making lookup seem impossible!

Of about 100 jgen messages piled up at home during a recent trip, at
least five had failed to include the subject in the text of the message.
Extrapolating >from this random sample, it seems that 5% of jgen posters may
be wasting their own time as well as everyone else's, because their
messages get deleted immediately due to incomplete statement of subject
matter!

If we desire responses, we should have the courtesy to make our requests as
user-friendly as possible -- and that means stating the subject in the
message itself, not merely in the header.

Judith Romney Wegner


Skvirs and New Square #ukraine

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Dear Steve:

In my message I did state that "is indeed named after the city of Skver, it
is not an actual transplanted city."

When Grand Rabbi Yaakov Yosef Twersky Skver-Kolorash decided to establish a
"Shtetil" in America, we went to great lengths to ensure that it would
indeed be a faithful replica of an old Chasidic "Shtetil", therefore he
went to great lengths to obtain legal separation >from Spring Valley and even
named after the original hometown of his dynasty. To this very day it serves
as a an model for an original "Shtetil" as nearly all of its inhabitants are
indeed Skvira Chasidim and all are Torah Observant Jews.
While the community is famous for its hospitality to the Religious and
non-Religious alike, and many of its inhabitants commute to Manhattan where
they have wonderful relationships with people outside their group, at "home"
they can raise their children in the identical atmosphere of their
ancestors.

Abraham J. Heschel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Skvirs and New Square #ukraine

Brandler Institute of Chasidic Thought <bict@...>
 

Dear Steve:

In my message I did state that "is indeed named after the city of Skver, it
is not an actual transplanted city."

When Grand Rabbi Yaakov Yosef Twersky Skver-Kolorash decided to establish a
"Shtetil" in America, we went to great lengths to ensure that it would
indeed be a faithful replica of an old Chasidic "Shtetil", therefore he
went to great lengths to obtain legal separation >from Spring Valley and even
named after the original hometown of his dynasty. To this very day it serves
as a an model for an original "Shtetil" as nearly all of its inhabitants are
indeed Skvira Chasidim and all are Torah Observant Jews.
While the community is famous for its hospitality to the Religious and
non-Religious alike, and many of its inhabitants commute to Manhattan where
they have wonderful relationships with people outside their group, at "home"
they can raise their children in the identical atmosphere of their
ancestors.

Abraham J. Heschel


Re: town/ship? #general

Drew Hershkowitz <dhershko@...>
 

I have located the 1920 census info for these 2 ancestors and they mention
they were born in Ogotza, Hungary. They were born in the 1860-1870 time.
Could this possibly be the same as Ochodza, Poland? I imagine they would
have left Europe >from Budapest?

Thanks

Drew Hershkowitz
dhershko@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: town/ship? #general

Drew Hershkowitz <dhershko@...>
 

I have located the 1920 census info for these 2 ancestors and they mention
they were born in Ogotza, Hungary. They were born in the 1860-1870 time.
Could this possibly be the same as Ochodza, Poland? I imagine they would
have left Europe >from Budapest?

Thanks

Drew Hershkowitz
dhershko@aol.com


Re: Jewish Athletes murdered in Holocaust #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

Just want to make people aware of a webpage I just created for
Jewish Athletes murdered in the Bialystok Ghetto. 15 Athletes
are listed. Here is the web address,

www.zabludow.com/Bialystokathletes.htm
Bialystok Athletes

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Jewish Athletes murdered in Holocaust #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

Just want to make people aware of a webpage I just created for
Jewish Athletes murdered in the Bialystok Ghetto. 15 Athletes
are listed. Here is the web address,

www.zabludow.com/Bialystokathletes.htm
Bialystok Athletes

Tilford Bartman


Re: Use of Mother's Maiden Name #general

Anita Frankel <frankel@...>
 

Dear All:

I think some genners are confusing two different situations:
traveling under a false name vs. changing one's name
permanently (for ease of pronunciation)

My cousins used their mother's maiden name (reason unknown)
while traveling, but resumed their father's name on arrival. So
there must have been some reason other than anglicization.
They did have a maternal uncle in the States so maybe they
thought it would be easier to be admitted with a close relative,
with the same name, already here.

Anita frankel@neca.com
Storrs, CT USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Use of Mother's Maiden Name #general

Anita Frankel <frankel@...>
 

Dear All:

I think some genners are confusing two different situations:
traveling under a false name vs. changing one's name
permanently (for ease of pronunciation)

My cousins used their mother's maiden name (reason unknown)
while traveling, but resumed their father's name on arrival. So
there must have been some reason other than anglicization.
They did have a maternal uncle in the States so maybe they
thought it would be easier to be admitted with a close relative,
with the same name, already here.

Anita frankel@neca.com
Storrs, CT USA


GREAT BOOK on Eastern European Jewish Life #latvia

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

I have read countless books on Eastern European
Jewish life and history and recently came across
a fantastic book which should be mandatory reading
for anyone whose family comes >from Eastern Europe.
The book information is as follows:

"Life is With People: The Jewish Little-Town of Eastern
Europe" by Mark Zborowski and Elizabeth Herzog.
International Universities Press, Inc. New York. 1955.

Please e-mail me with any questions.

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
http://www.sudilkov.com
Bethesda, MD


Latvia SIG #Latvia GREAT BOOK on Eastern European Jewish Life #latvia

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

I have read countless books on Eastern European
Jewish life and history and recently came across
a fantastic book which should be mandatory reading
for anyone whose family comes >from Eastern Europe.
The book information is as follows:

"Life is With People: The Jewish Little-Town of Eastern
Europe" by Mark Zborowski and Elizabeth Herzog.
International Universities Press, Inc. New York. 1955.

Please e-mail me with any questions.

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
http://www.sudilkov.com
Bethesda, MD


Belarus Surname Index #belarus

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

The Belarus SIG is pleased to annouce the "Belarus Surname Index", located
at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/static_index.htm. This site indexes
surnames that appear in small databases that are not yet included in the
"All Belarus Database". To start, the "Belarus Surname Index" has over
13000 unique surnames >from 44 different databases.

If you see a surname that you are interested in, click on the associated
link.

Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ
Webmaster, Belarus SIG (http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus)
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
(http://www.crosswinds.nett/~erosenbaum/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@mail.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Surname Index #belarus

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

The Belarus SIG is pleased to annouce the "Belarus Surname Index", located
at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/static_index.htm. This site indexes
surnames that appear in small databases that are not yet included in the
"All Belarus Database". To start, the "Belarus Surname Index" has over
13000 unique surnames >from 44 different databases.

If you see a surname that you are interested in, click on the associated
link.

Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ
Webmaster, Belarus SIG (http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus)
President, JGS of Bergen County, New Jersey
(http://www.crosswinds.nett/~erosenbaum/jgsbc)
email: erosenbaum@mail.com


Re: Searching #austria-czech

John Wald <john.walde@...>
 

Hi,
The name of the pediatric doctor of my kids (20 years ago) is David
Baran.
He lives in Brussels(Belgium) and is now teacher in the University of
Brussels.
Is it helpful?
John WALD
john.wald@chello.be

----- Original Message ----
From: Dr. Ron Burnett
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:21 AM
Subject: Searching


Searching for relatives of OZIAS BARAN born in Bursztyn in 1870
married Reisel Dienstag and had two children, Pessie Dienstag
and her brother whose last name was Baran and who went to live
in Prague before WW1


Ron Burnett
Vancouver, Canada


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Searching #galicia

John Wald <john.walde@...>
 

Hi,
The name of the pediatric doctor of my kids (20 years ago) is David
Baran.
He lives in Brussels(Belgium) and is now teacher in the University of
Brussels.
Is it helpful?
John WALD
john.wald@chello.be

----- Original Message ----
From: Dr. Ron Burnett
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:21 AM
Subject: Searching


Searching for relatives of OZIAS BARAN born in Bursztyn in 1870
married Reisel Dienstag and had two children, Pessie Dienstag
and her brother whose last name was Baran and who went to live
in Prague before WW1


Ron Burnett
Vancouver, Canada


GREAT BOOK on Eastern European Jewish Life #galicia

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

I have read countless books on Eastern European
Jewish life and history and recently came across
a fantastic book which should be mandatory reading
for anyone whose family comes >from Eastern Europe.
The book information is as follows:

"Life is With People: The Jewish Little-Town of Eastern
Europe" by Mark Zborowski and Elizabeth Herzog.
International Universities Press, Inc. New York. 1955.

Please e-mail me with any questions.

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
http://www.sudilkov.com
Bethesda, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia GREAT BOOK on Eastern European Jewish Life #galicia

Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
 

I have read countless books on Eastern European
Jewish life and history and recently came across
a fantastic book which should be mandatory reading
for anyone whose family comes >from Eastern Europe.
The book information is as follows:

"Life is With People: The Jewish Little-Town of Eastern
Europe" by Mark Zborowski and Elizabeth Herzog.
International Universities Press, Inc. New York. 1955.

Please e-mail me with any questions.

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
http://www.sudilkov.com
Bethesda, MD