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Re: Bevis Marks #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

A comment on the following:

"What are the Bevis Mark Records for London?

P.S. You should probably post this query to GerSIG also."


Bevis Marks records are the records of the Sephardic Jewish congregation in
London. GerSIG is inappropriate, Jewishgen is not.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bevis Marks #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

A comment on the following:

"What are the Bevis Mark Records for London?

P.S. You should probably post this query to GerSIG also."


Bevis Marks records are the records of the Sephardic Jewish congregation in
London. GerSIG is inappropriate, Jewishgen is not.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Rd: Basha #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Basha is a woman's name only as far as I know.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rd: Basha #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Basha is a woman's name only as far as I know.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: Jewish Sportsman murdered by Nazis #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I have a copy of a historical document sent to me >from Poland which lists
"Jewish sportsman who were killed in the 11th action in the Bialystok Ghetto".
Many were Maccabi athletes. One of those listed is Luba Subotnik. I have
found that she is the grand daughter of Rabbi Avraham Akiva Subotnik. He
was Rabbi in Zabludow Poland >from 1904-24. Her first cousin Mina is one of
my principal contacts regarding my research into Zabludow, and also the
former best childhood friend of my 2ond cousin in Zabludow Hana Lopata who
was murdered somewhre unknown in the holocaust. Mina lives on Kibbutz
Ma'abarrot. Her mother was Rabbi Subotniks daughter. I have given her a
copy of this document. She tells me that Luba Subotnik's father was
murdered in June of 1941 in the Bialystok Great Synagogue fire, which I
know was set by the German Military Police Battalion 309 under the command
of Major Weis on June 27th 1941.

I am pretty familiar with the history of the Bialystok Ghetto and the many
German "actions" there. Sometimes they go by different names. Does anyone
know what the "11th Action" refers to? I don't have this brief one page
document translated >from Polish yet, but the Jewish names are not hard to
figure out.

Best Regards to Everyone,

Tilford Bartman


divorce in NYC #general

GEORGE FOGELSON <fogelson@...>
 

has anyone had success in obtaining divorce information for NYC circa
1951-60? I need to know where to write and if these years are available
now. If so please respond privately to:

fogelson@prodigy.net

Thanks for any assistance!

George Fogelson
Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Jewish Sportsman murdered by Nazis #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I have a copy of a historical document sent to me >from Poland which lists
"Jewish sportsman who were killed in the 11th action in the Bialystok Ghetto".
Many were Maccabi athletes. One of those listed is Luba Subotnik. I have
found that she is the grand daughter of Rabbi Avraham Akiva Subotnik. He
was Rabbi in Zabludow Poland >from 1904-24. Her first cousin Mina is one of
my principal contacts regarding my research into Zabludow, and also the
former best childhood friend of my 2ond cousin in Zabludow Hana Lopata who
was murdered somewhre unknown in the holocaust. Mina lives on Kibbutz
Ma'abarrot. Her mother was Rabbi Subotniks daughter. I have given her a
copy of this document. She tells me that Luba Subotnik's father was
murdered in June of 1941 in the Bialystok Great Synagogue fire, which I
know was set by the German Military Police Battalion 309 under the command
of Major Weis on June 27th 1941.

I am pretty familiar with the history of the Bialystok Ghetto and the many
German "actions" there. Sometimes they go by different names. Does anyone
know what the "11th Action" refers to? I don't have this brief one page
document translated >from Polish yet, but the Jewish names are not hard to
figure out.

Best Regards to Everyone,

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen divorce in NYC #general

GEORGE FOGELSON <fogelson@...>
 

has anyone had success in obtaining divorce information for NYC circa
1951-60? I need to know where to write and if these years are available
now. If so please respond privately to:

fogelson@prodigy.net

Thanks for any assistance!

George Fogelson
Los Angeles


Re: Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I would like to know if anyone on the list has any information regarding a
book called "The Immortal Spirit- The Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium, Poland,
1919-1939". I am very interested in this book. I looked on Amazon.Com. It
was listed but they are not able to find it for me. Many of the fighters
in the Bialystok Ghetto Uprising had been students or teachers at this
school. These include Shimon Datner and Chaika Grossman. They both survived
the war. Chaika was a leader in the Uprising, and one of the most important
persons in the underground in the Bialystok region.

I have a copy of a historical document >from Poland. It appears to list the
names of teachers >from this school that were on a German transport >from the
Bialystok Ghetto. At one point the document says, "In the rail station in
Treblinka a wagon was separated with many teachers of the Gymnasium and
their families, the rest of the wagons continued to Majdanek. The people in
Treblinka were executed the same day of their arrival." One of my principal
contacts regarding Zabludow is a women who lives on Kibbutz Ma'abarrot. She
looked at this document. She attended the Hebrew Gymnasium in Bialystok.
Her family left for Chile only a few months before the war. She said she
remembers every single teacher mentioned in the document!

If anyone has any information on this book about the Bialystok Hebrew
Gymnasium please let me know.

Best to Everyone,

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hello,

I would like to know if anyone on the list has any information regarding a
book called "The Immortal Spirit- The Bialystok Hebrew Gymnasium, Poland,
1919-1939". I am very interested in this book. I looked on Amazon.Com. It
was listed but they are not able to find it for me. Many of the fighters
in the Bialystok Ghetto Uprising had been students or teachers at this
school. These include Shimon Datner and Chaika Grossman. They both survived
the war. Chaika was a leader in the Uprising, and one of the most important
persons in the underground in the Bialystok region.

I have a copy of a historical document >from Poland. It appears to list the
names of teachers >from this school that were on a German transport >from the
Bialystok Ghetto. At one point the document says, "In the rail station in
Treblinka a wagon was separated with many teachers of the Gymnasium and
their families, the rest of the wagons continued to Majdanek. The people in
Treblinka were executed the same day of their arrival." One of my principal
contacts regarding Zabludow is a women who lives on Kibbutz Ma'abarrot. She
looked at this document. She attended the Hebrew Gymnasium in Bialystok.
Her family left for Chile only a few months before the war. She said she
remembers every single teacher mentioned in the document!

If anyone has any information on this book about the Bialystok Hebrew
Gymnasium please let me know.

Best to Everyone,

Tilford Bartman


Kotlyar Bershad -Lukashefsky #ukraine

Robin Sherman <shermanr@...>
 

Marina Kotlyar posted an entry at Jewish Gen for BERSHAD and KOTLAR.
I have emailed to the address given twice since August, but no response.

While at the library at Yad Vashem in Israel this past August, I found our
greatgrandfather. I submitted his photo to be attached to the
testimony.

Isroil LUKASHEFSKY born in Bershad in 1860. The # in the right hand corner
is 2220. Father Abram.Mother Sura. Wife's name Dinsa. Lived in a small
village RUCHENKO near Donbass in the Ukraine. Nazis drowned Israil and
others by flooding a coal mine with water. At the age of 81 he died in
1941 this way. The original submission was in 1991 by Abram KOTLAR his
grandson who apparently immigrated to Israel in 1990. This perhaps elderly
lived at the time of submission in Petah Tikvah. There was no current
address there for this KOTLAR. I am unsure of the spelling since the
testimony was originally in Russian.

This is a link to a photo of Isroil and his family circa 1925. They are
holding our US family picture of Uncle Harry's bar mitzvah in 1924.

http://www.exit109.com/~strathtch/Lukashefsky.htm
If any of this sounds familiar, please contact me

Yours,
Robin Sherman


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kotlyar Bershad -Lukashefsky #ukraine

Robin Sherman <shermanr@...>
 

Marina Kotlyar posted an entry at Jewish Gen for BERSHAD and KOTLAR.
I have emailed to the address given twice since August, but no response.

While at the library at Yad Vashem in Israel this past August, I found our
greatgrandfather. I submitted his photo to be attached to the
testimony.

Isroil LUKASHEFSKY born in Bershad in 1860. The # in the right hand corner
is 2220. Father Abram.Mother Sura. Wife's name Dinsa. Lived in a small
village RUCHENKO near Donbass in the Ukraine. Nazis drowned Israil and
others by flooding a coal mine with water. At the age of 81 he died in
1941 this way. The original submission was in 1991 by Abram KOTLAR his
grandson who apparently immigrated to Israel in 1990. This perhaps elderly
lived at the time of submission in Petah Tikvah. There was no current
address there for this KOTLAR. I am unsure of the spelling since the
testimony was originally in Russian.

This is a link to a photo of Isroil and his family circa 1925. They are
holding our US family picture of Uncle Harry's bar mitzvah in 1924.

http://www.exit109.com/~strathtch/Lukashefsky.htm
If any of this sounds familiar, please contact me

Yours,
Robin Sherman


KANTER(MAN) of SPIKOV, FREIZON of BROSLIV #ukraine

lora <lorabelle@...>
 

Hello to All,
My maternal g-gf was Samuel KANTER, orig KANTERMAN, >from Spikov. Many of
you have written recently re: various INS forms. When I sent for
Naturalization papers for Samuel, what I received was his Alien
Registration Form as he never became a US citizen. It is dated 9/10/40,
Samuel came to the US in 1905. It contains the same info as a Petition
for Naturalization or a Declaration of Intention contains plus some addt'l
info. It contains his name, DOB, birthplace, arrival date to US, ship,
port, business, family, etc.. plus Military service, arrests, previous
application for US citizenship, membership/activites in clubs, orgs, and
political affiliation.
It seems the US was keeping a watchful eye on its aliens. I also received
an Address Report Card >from 1951, apparently all registered aliens had to
report their current address at this time.

I do not know the process for Alien Registration, who had to register and
why. It doesn't appear that all non-citizens registered as other
non-citizens in my family were not registered. Maybe all were supposed to
register or maybe one had to register to own land?

from a genealogists point of view, the Alien Registration Form gives more
info as I now know that Samuel comes >from Spikov and was active in the
Spikov Young Men's Ass'n in Brooklyn in 1919. He served in the infantry in
Russia >from 1893-1897. He applied for US Citizenship but the forms were
filled out improperly- probably because he didn't read or write the
language, a minor technicality.

Now, if I can only find out where Spikov is and how to access military
records... My Grandmom, Yetta KANTER(MAN) GOLOB, told me she is from
Vinnitsa. I sent for the Social Security application for her mother,
Rachel/Rose KANTER, who applied when she was 89. Rachel's maiden name is
FREIZON, she was born in Brosliv, Russia in 1875. Her parents were Shmuel
and Ida. I noticed that someone was researching a similiar name like
FRAISON but cannot find the posting. FREIZON sounds like a German name but
I don't believe they were German. I cannot find Brosliv or Spikov on a
map of Vinnitsa or elsewhere, does anyone have any comments/suggestions?

Thank you!
Lora Hull


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine KANTER(MAN) of SPIKOV, FREIZON of BROSLIV #ukraine

lora <lorabelle@...>
 

Hello to All,
My maternal g-gf was Samuel KANTER, orig KANTERMAN, >from Spikov. Many of
you have written recently re: various INS forms. When I sent for
Naturalization papers for Samuel, what I received was his Alien
Registration Form as he never became a US citizen. It is dated 9/10/40,
Samuel came to the US in 1905. It contains the same info as a Petition
for Naturalization or a Declaration of Intention contains plus some addt'l
info. It contains his name, DOB, birthplace, arrival date to US, ship,
port, business, family, etc.. plus Military service, arrests, previous
application for US citizenship, membership/activites in clubs, orgs, and
political affiliation.
It seems the US was keeping a watchful eye on its aliens. I also received
an Address Report Card >from 1951, apparently all registered aliens had to
report their current address at this time.

I do not know the process for Alien Registration, who had to register and
why. It doesn't appear that all non-citizens registered as other
non-citizens in my family were not registered. Maybe all were supposed to
register or maybe one had to register to own land?

from a genealogists point of view, the Alien Registration Form gives more
info as I now know that Samuel comes >from Spikov and was active in the
Spikov Young Men's Ass'n in Brooklyn in 1919. He served in the infantry in
Russia >from 1893-1897. He applied for US Citizenship but the forms were
filled out improperly- probably because he didn't read or write the
language, a minor technicality.

Now, if I can only find out where Spikov is and how to access military
records... My Grandmom, Yetta KANTER(MAN) GOLOB, told me she is from
Vinnitsa. I sent for the Social Security application for her mother,
Rachel/Rose KANTER, who applied when she was 89. Rachel's maiden name is
FREIZON, she was born in Brosliv, Russia in 1875. Her parents were Shmuel
and Ida. I noticed that someone was researching a similiar name like
FRAISON but cannot find the posting. FREIZON sounds like a German name but
I don't believe they were German. I cannot find Brosliv or Spikov on a
map of Vinnitsa or elsewhere, does anyone have any comments/suggestions?

Thank you!
Lora Hull


Re: lodz digest: November 10, 2000 #lodz #poland

Daniel Wagner <Cpwagner@...>
 

A few years ago I had a similar experience as that told by Ron Landau, =
here at the Polish consulate in Tel-Aviv. I received 3 letters >from USCs =
in Poland saying they did not find the records I was looking for. The =
consulate clercks showed me the letters before asking me for payment. I =
told them these were not records so why should I pay, but they insisted =
that I should pay for these 'documents'. As I refused, the consul came for =
a brief discussion with me. I did not pay but I may have become a persona =
non-grata at the Polish consulate!=20

This is Poland, fellows, bureaucracy and stiff behavior still prevails. It =
is getting better, though, >from what I have seen during trips in Poland =
over the last 4 years. Nevertheless, clercks are clercks, some are =
flexible, most are not. Communist/pyramidal-type mentality still exists =
here and there, but as I said, it is slowly improving.=20

They also sometimes simply make mistakes, like in the story we just read =
about. We are fortunate that, in such cases, the JRI-Poland staff is there =
to help !

Daniel

In the early '80s, prior to any agreements by JRI-Poland, I, too, had
requested documents >from Poland and, living in New Jersey at the time, =
had to go over to "the city" to the Polish Consulate on Madison Ave. and =
pay them (I think it was about $12-13) to receive an official notice that =
the
record I sought was not available. Needless to say, I felt ripped off by
the Polish bureaucracy.


=09


Subject: Lodz Archives has erred in processing orders.
From: Seflaum@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:58:43 EST
X-Message-Number: 1

MODERATOR NOTE: Message reposted >from JRI-Poland newsgroup

We recently learned that the Lodz Branch of the Polish =
State
Archives
has made mistakes in processing orders >from researchers
using the
JRI-Poland on-line database as the source of information.

In error, they have been sending the photocopies to the
Polish Consulate
in New York City. The consulate has then sent form letters
asking for an
additional fee. =20

The two known cases were brought to the attention of the
Polish State
Archives and the consulate on Monday. A reply was =
received
today=20
(by fax) >from the Executive Director of the Polish State
Archives
acknowledging the error and assuring us that this would be
cleared=20
up without delay.

In the meantime, should you receive a request for payment
from
the Polish Consulate in New York for "copies of vital
statistics=20
documents" relating to an order placed with the Polish =
State
Archives,
kindly refer them to the letter of 6 November 2000 from
Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland (to the Polish State Archives) =
and

request that they forward the documents without charge. =
You
may also include a copy of this message with your letter =
to
the Polish Consulate.

Note, this does NOT apply to any 20th century records that
may
have been requested >from Civil Records Offices (Urzad =
Stanu
Cywilnego) in Poland.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
SMSDIAMOND@aol.com


H Daniel Wagner=20
The Livio Norzi Professorial Chair

Weizmann Institute of Science
Tel: +(972) 8 934 2594
Fax: +(972) 8 934 4137
E-mail: daniel.wagner@weizmann.ac.il
Homepage: http://www.weizmann.ac.il/wagner/home.htm


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: lodz digest: November 10, 2000 #lodz #poland

Daniel Wagner <Cpwagner@...>
 

A few years ago I had a similar experience as that told by Ron Landau, =
here at the Polish consulate in Tel-Aviv. I received 3 letters >from USCs =
in Poland saying they did not find the records I was looking for. The =
consulate clercks showed me the letters before asking me for payment. I =
told them these were not records so why should I pay, but they insisted =
that I should pay for these 'documents'. As I refused, the consul came for =
a brief discussion with me. I did not pay but I may have become a persona =
non-grata at the Polish consulate!=20

This is Poland, fellows, bureaucracy and stiff behavior still prevails. It =
is getting better, though, >from what I have seen during trips in Poland =
over the last 4 years. Nevertheless, clercks are clercks, some are =
flexible, most are not. Communist/pyramidal-type mentality still exists =
here and there, but as I said, it is slowly improving.=20

They also sometimes simply make mistakes, like in the story we just read =
about. We are fortunate that, in such cases, the JRI-Poland staff is there =
to help !

Daniel

In the early '80s, prior to any agreements by JRI-Poland, I, too, had
requested documents >from Poland and, living in New Jersey at the time, =
had to go over to "the city" to the Polish Consulate on Madison Ave. and =
pay them (I think it was about $12-13) to receive an official notice that =
the
record I sought was not available. Needless to say, I felt ripped off by
the Polish bureaucracy.


=09


Subject: Lodz Archives has erred in processing orders.
From: Seflaum@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:58:43 EST
X-Message-Number: 1

MODERATOR NOTE: Message reposted >from JRI-Poland newsgroup

We recently learned that the Lodz Branch of the Polish =
State
Archives
has made mistakes in processing orders >from researchers
using the
JRI-Poland on-line database as the source of information.

In error, they have been sending the photocopies to the
Polish Consulate
in New York City. The consulate has then sent form letters
asking for an
additional fee. =20

The two known cases were brought to the attention of the
Polish State
Archives and the consulate on Monday. A reply was =
received
today=20
(by fax) >from the Executive Director of the Polish State
Archives
acknowledging the error and assuring us that this would be
cleared=20
up without delay.

In the meantime, should you receive a request for payment
from
the Polish Consulate in New York for "copies of vital
statistics=20
documents" relating to an order placed with the Polish =
State
Archives,
kindly refer them to the letter of 6 November 2000 from
Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland (to the Polish State Archives) =
and

request that they forward the documents without charge. =
You
may also include a copy of this message with your letter =
to
the Polish Consulate.

Note, this does NOT apply to any 20th century records that
may
have been requested >from Civil Records Offices (Urzad =
Stanu
Cywilnego) in Poland.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
SMSDIAMOND@aol.com


H Daniel Wagner=20
The Livio Norzi Professorial Chair

Weizmann Institute of Science
Tel: +(972) 8 934 2594
Fax: +(972) 8 934 4137
E-mail: daniel.wagner@weizmann.ac.il
Homepage: http://www.weizmann.ac.il/wagner/home.htm


Re: Who has information about the mass grave in Simferopol? #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

Herut Shlomoff, Israel
heruts@netvision.net.il, writes:
My great-grand mother: Batya ROSENBLUM and her daughter: Katya/Chasya
(probably with her own family) were killed by the Nazis in 1942 with 14,000
Simferopol's Jews. Obviously it is very important for me to know as much
what happened there. Thank you for any information about those dark days.



I would suggest that you contact Yad Vashem & check Simferopol in the
Archives and library holdings. They are both computerized so the search is
not too difficult to accomplish.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem

Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Who has information about the mass grave in Simferopol? #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

Herut Shlomoff, Israel
heruts@netvision.net.il, writes:
My great-grand mother: Batya ROSENBLUM and her daughter: Katya/Chasya
(probably with her own family) were killed by the Nazis in 1942 with 14,000
Simferopol's Jews. Obviously it is very important for me to know as much
what happened there. Thank you for any information about those dark days.



I would suggest that you contact Yad Vashem & check Simferopol in the
Archives and library holdings. They are both computerized so the search is
not too difficult to accomplish.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem

Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


elizabethgrad #ukraine

kings@...
 

I am also looking for information on Elizabethgrad. The three families I
know of are:
David JAWOROSKY, Leah MOGELEFSKY, Rose WILKIN

Arrived in the US about 1923. Any research reference material would be
helpful.

Yehuda King

JAWOROSKY
MOGELEFSKY
WILKIN
FRITZ >from Romania
KOENIGSBERG >from Austria


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine elizabethgrad #ukraine

kings@...
 

I am also looking for information on Elizabethgrad. The three families I
know of are:
David JAWOROSKY, Leah MOGELEFSKY, Rose WILKIN

Arrived in the US about 1923. Any research reference material would be
helpful.

Yehuda King

JAWOROSKY
MOGELEFSKY
WILKIN
FRITZ >from Romania
KOENIGSBERG >from Austria