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Re: Bevis Marks #general

Vicky Ferraresi <vickyfer@...>
 

The following was posted in reply to my suggestion that the original
question about the Bevis Mark Records be posted to GerSIG as well as JewishGen...

"A comment on the following:

"What are the Bevis Mark Records for London?

P.S. You should probably post this query to GerSIG also."

Bevis Marks records are the records of the Sephardic Jewish congregation in
London. GerSIG is inappropriate, Jewishgen is not.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY"

I disagree. If one refers back to the original posting regarding the
Bevis Mark Records, it was concerning if there was an equivalent in
Berlin. A question about Berlin is a question about Germany, and ought
to be posted on GerSIG as well as JewishGen. My question was to find
out what the Bevis Mark Records were so I could tell if I had seen an
equivalent.

Questions about Germany are rightly referred to GerSIG.

Vicky Furstenberg Ferraresi
Belmont, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: Anyone with further comments,
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bevis Marks #general

Vicky Ferraresi <vickyfer@...>
 

The following was posted in reply to my suggestion that the original
question about the Bevis Mark Records be posted to GerSIG as well as JewishGen...

"A comment on the following:

"What are the Bevis Mark Records for London?

P.S. You should probably post this query to GerSIG also."

Bevis Marks records are the records of the Sephardic Jewish congregation in
London. GerSIG is inappropriate, Jewishgen is not.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY"

I disagree. If one refers back to the original posting regarding the
Bevis Mark Records, it was concerning if there was an equivalent in
Berlin. A question about Berlin is a question about Germany, and ought
to be posted on GerSIG as well as JewishGen. My question was to find
out what the Bevis Mark Records were so I could tell if I had seen an
equivalent.

Questions about Germany are rightly referred to GerSIG.

Vicky Furstenberg Ferraresi
Belmont, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: Anyone with further comments,
please continue this discussion privately.


Re: Slovakian Towns - Help!Another day, a similar question #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <peterhidas@...>
 

Dear Adrienne,

The village you are looking for is Dunkófalva (Obáva),
Bereg County. It was always a Russian village which
contained in the 1830s 149 Greek Orthodox and five
Jewish persons. The place was owned by Count
Schönborn. The village was not too far >from Munkács.
Yes, there were vineyards around the village.

Maybe you want to find a good map of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire on the Internet. The Mormons
may have the birth/death records for the village; at
least >from the 1850s.

I am glad to be of service, good hunting!

P.I.H.

stated he was born in Dunkofalva,
Czechoslovakia, which we know cannot be,---noCzech.
until after WWI.
We believe the LAST place either or both of our
grnparents lived before coming to the
States was Munkacs, Hungary, now Mukachevo, Ukraine.


=====
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
historian

thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com
To read some of my studies you are more than welcome to visit my home page at
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Slovakian Towns - Help!Another day, a similar question #hungary

Peter I. Hidas <peterhidas@...>
 

Dear Adrienne,

The village you are looking for is Dunkófalva (Obáva),
Bereg County. It was always a Russian village which
contained in the 1830s 149 Greek Orthodox and five
Jewish persons. The place was owned by Count
Schönborn. The village was not too far >from Munkács.
Yes, there were vineyards around the village.

Maybe you want to find a good map of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire on the Internet. The Mormons
may have the birth/death records for the village; at
least >from the 1850s.

I am glad to be of service, good hunting!

P.I.H.

stated he was born in Dunkofalva,
Czechoslovakia, which we know cannot be,---noCzech.
until after WWI.
We believe the LAST place either or both of our
grnparents lived before coming to the
States was Munkacs, Hungary, now Mukachevo, Ukraine.


=====
Dr. Peter I. Hidas
historian

thidas@sympatico.ca
peterhidas@yahoo.com
To read some of my studies you are more than welcome to visit my home page at
www3.sympatico.ca/thidas

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays!
http://calendar.yahoo.com/


1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

John Rothchild <jroth@...>
 

Can anyone recommend an on-line map of Bereg County as it existed in
approximately 1843? I need a map showing the smallest towns. Thanks for
any assistance.
--Joan Hartman


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1843 Bereg County map? #hungary

John Rothchild <jroth@...>
 

Can anyone recommend an on-line map of Bereg County as it existed in
approximately 1843? I need a map showing the smallest towns. Thanks for
any assistance.
--Joan Hartman


Fenyes Book #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <Lmagyar@...>
 

Hi Peter and other interested parties,

While it may be a major undertaking to translate or even summarize these two
volumes, it
might be feasible to list the names of the county, district, town, number of
Jews, and number of non-Jews residents.
With additional columns or fields one could add alternative
names to the town, that is, the slovak name, ukrainian name, German name and
the name used
by Jews of that time and place. Also, do you know if the numbers indicated
for each city
refer to the number of individuals or to the number of heads of households?

Louis Schonfeld
Cleveland, OH

P.S. to all H-siggers: as you can see below I have edited the original
message prior to sending it
out to the group. Please, wherever feasible, do the same in your responses
to messages. Only leave
enough of the original message to make your response more understanble to
others.


In response to the following message:


The Fenyes book, two volumes, entitled MAGYARORSZAG
GEOGRAPHIAI SZOTARA <snip>. To translate
the work or even to summarize it would be a major
undertaking.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fenyes Book #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <Lmagyar@...>
 

Hi Peter and other interested parties,

While it may be a major undertaking to translate or even summarize these two
volumes, it
might be feasible to list the names of the county, district, town, number of
Jews, and number of non-Jews residents.
With additional columns or fields one could add alternative
names to the town, that is, the slovak name, ukrainian name, German name and
the name used
by Jews of that time and place. Also, do you know if the numbers indicated
for each city
refer to the number of individuals or to the number of heads of households?

Louis Schonfeld
Cleveland, OH

P.S. to all H-siggers: as you can see below I have edited the original
message prior to sending it
out to the group. Please, wherever feasible, do the same in your responses
to messages. Only leave
enough of the original message to make your response more understanble to
others.


In response to the following message:


The Fenyes book, two volumes, entitled MAGYARORSZAG
GEOGRAPHIAI SZOTARA <snip>. To translate
the work or even to summarize it would be a major
undertaking.

Dr. Peter I. Hidas


Re: Meshchanin #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

I have heard stories about these classifications too - I would like to know
more about it. The below may not be true.

Basically I have a Jew was not supposed to be outside their assigned Shetl
area
without a pass. One could get a letter or temp pass for a visit or vacation
or wedding
to go to another area.

Permanent passes to live and work outside a Jews assigned Shetl were issued to
artisens and skilled workers. I had relatives who were skilled factory
workers in the late 1800's that lived and moved to a variety of cities for
factory work.

Merchants were also issued a travel pass that allowed travel within the Pale
and even
outside the Pale - perhaps these were 2 different passes.
My great great grandfather was a wheat exporter and sold and shipped wheat
within
the Ukraine and some to Poland that I know of - he traveled regularly to
Kishinev,
Moldavia and Poland.

Steve Rivkin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Meshchanin #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

I have heard stories about these classifications too - I would like to know
more about it. The below may not be true.

Basically I have a Jew was not supposed to be outside their assigned Shetl
area
without a pass. One could get a letter or temp pass for a visit or vacation
or wedding
to go to another area.

Permanent passes to live and work outside a Jews assigned Shetl were issued to
artisens and skilled workers. I had relatives who were skilled factory
workers in the late 1800's that lived and moved to a variety of cities for
factory work.

Merchants were also issued a travel pass that allowed travel within the Pale
and even
outside the Pale - perhaps these were 2 different passes.
My great great grandfather was a wheat exporter and sold and shipped wheat
within
the Ukraine and some to Poland that I know of - he traveled regularly to
Kishinev,
Moldavia and Poland.

Steve Rivkin


Re: Elizabethgrad/FAMILY LEFT IN 1923 #ukraine

Chanaleh@...
 

I, too, have been searching for family in Yelizevitgrad (Elizabethgrad) --
today known as Kirovohgrad.
MORDUKHOVICH (mother's maiden surname) -- My mother and siblings left for
the USA with my maternal grandmother in 1923. I believe they sailed on the
George Washington, probably >from Brem=E9n. They were originally from
Zlatopoli,but left there during Civil War pogroms, and were probably in
Yelisevitgrad between 1917 and 1923.


MOROZOVSKY -- (father's surname). My parents met and married in
Yelisevitgrad in 1923, the year my mother left for the U.S. He, too, left
in 1923 but could get only as far as Bremenhave, and lived in Germany
illegally until about 1926-28 when he was finally placed on the immigrant
quota list.

Is any of this familiar? If so, I have more information re names,
background, et al.

Helene Morrow
Pittsburgh


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Elizabethgrad/FAMILY LEFT IN 1923 #ukraine

Chanaleh@...
 

I, too, have been searching for family in Yelizevitgrad (Elizabethgrad) --
today known as Kirovohgrad.
MORDUKHOVICH (mother's maiden surname) -- My mother and siblings left for
the USA with my maternal grandmother in 1923. I believe they sailed on the
George Washington, probably >from Brem=E9n. They were originally from
Zlatopoli,but left there during Civil War pogroms, and were probably in
Yelisevitgrad between 1917 and 1923.


MOROZOVSKY -- (father's surname). My parents met and married in
Yelisevitgrad in 1923, the year my mother left for the U.S. He, too, left
in 1923 but could get only as far as Bremenhave, and lived in Germany
illegally until about 1926-28 when he was finally placed on the immigrant
quota list.

Is any of this familiar? If so, I have more information re names,
background, et al.

Helene Morrow
Pittsburgh


Meshchanin #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by "Ukraine SIG"
I would have thought "meshchanIN" comes >from the Russian word =
"MESto", meaning place or locality.<

This is correct. The word is usually translated as 'petty bourgeois',
or perhaps 'local merchant'. It often has a connotation of someone
with some money but little culture. =


Does anyone know the origin of this sort of classification of Russian
society? =

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Meshchanin #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by "Ukraine SIG"
I would have thought "meshchanIN" comes >from the Russian word =
"MESto", meaning place or locality.<

This is correct. The word is usually translated as 'petty bourgeois',
or perhaps 'local merchant'. It often has a connotation of someone
with some money but little culture. =


Does anyone know the origin of this sort of classification of Russian
society? =

Moderator Note: Please remember to sign your postings as required on JewishGen


Where is Spikov? #ukraine

Ben Okner <okner@...>
 

In a recent message, the questions posed,

"Now, if I can only find out where Spikov is and how to access military
records... "

I can't help with military records, but Spikov is in Ukraine, about 143.5 miles
SW of Kiev. The coordinates are 48.47N 28.34E.

You can easily obtain such information by going to the Jewishgen homepage
and clicking on the link to Shetl Seeker Town Search.

Ben Okner

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Where is Spikov? #ukraine

Ben Okner <okner@...>
 

In a recent message, the questions posed,

"Now, if I can only find out where Spikov is and how to access military
records... "

I can't help with military records, but Spikov is in Ukraine, about 143.5 miles
SW of Kiev. The coordinates are 48.47N 28.34E.

You can easily obtain such information by going to the Jewishgen homepage
and clicking on the link to Shetl Seeker Town Search.

Ben Okner

Address omitted by Moderator on Duty


Ackerman #ukraine

legendrerodez <legendrerodez@...>
 

Hello to everyone

I am all new on this sig and in Jewish genealogy.
I am searching for informations on my wife's family,
especially on Leopold ACKERMAN,who's born
in Kamenets Podolskiy in 1860 (and died in Paris
in 1934),
and his parents ,Marcus and Amelie BERST(E)IN.
Leopold ACKERMAN has moved in France where
he married Lise FRANCK.
Where can I find informations, if there are ?
Thank you for your advices and (hoped) help.


Dominique Legendre
12000 Rodez - France
legendrerodez@wanadoo.fr


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ackerman #ukraine

legendrerodez <legendrerodez@...>
 

Hello to everyone

I am all new on this sig and in Jewish genealogy.
I am searching for informations on my wife's family,
especially on Leopold ACKERMAN,who's born
in Kamenets Podolskiy in 1860 (and died in Paris
in 1934),
and his parents ,Marcus and Amelie BERST(E)IN.
Leopold ACKERMAN has moved in France where
he married Lise FRANCK.
Where can I find informations, if there are ?
Thank you for your advices and (hoped) help.


Dominique Legendre
12000 Rodez - France
legendrerodez@wanadoo.fr


Re: the Hebrew name for Ida #general

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

I want to thank all those who wrote to me and helped me figure out what
my aunt's Hebrew name must have been. What was wrong was my pronouncing
the CH like chicklets or children instead of the gutteral Ch like in
Challa. When you do that it makes more sense. Probably my cousin, her
son, misspelled it also.
Again thanks for all the responses.

Myra Davis, Tucson, AZ
myrabokpg@juno.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: the Hebrew name for Ida #general

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

I want to thank all those who wrote to me and helped me figure out what
my aunt's Hebrew name must have been. What was wrong was my pronouncing
the CH like chicklets or children instead of the gutteral Ch like in
Challa. When you do that it makes more sense. Probably my cousin, her
son, misspelled it also.
Again thanks for all the responses.

Myra Davis, Tucson, AZ
myrabokpg@juno.com