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Piatek Vital Records - Great News #poland

Sheila Salo <ssalo@...>
 

Great news for fellow researchers of Piatek and vicinity!

Vital records for the town of Piatek (Piontek) have been discovered at the Leczyca branch of the
Plock regional archives. This find is a welcome surprise, since it had been thought that records for
this town did not exist. Neither the LDS Family History Library nor Miriam Weiner's _Jewish
Roots in Poland_ list vital records for this town.

Piatek is in Lodz province in central Poland, latitude 52o 04', longitude 19o 29'. Neighboring
towns include: Bielawy, a distance of 7.1 m >from Piatek; Ozorkow, 11 m; Leczyca, 11.3 m;
Kutno, 12.5 m; Glowno, 12.7 m; Opole, 13.5 m; Dabie, 13.6 m; Zychlin, 13.9 m; Zgierz, 15.2 m;
Lowicz, 19.4 m; Lodz, 21.9 m; and Brzeziny, 21. 9 m.

The Piatek records total 6,444 births, marriages, and deaths, and cover the years >from 1826 to
1931. Most of the records >from 1842 on were indexed by the original clerks. Thanks to Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland through its agreement with the Polish State Archives, the index pages
have already been photocopied and transcription has begun. The years without indexes will be
indexed by the Polish archivists. The resulting database will be invaluable to researchers of Piatek,
and also to those of surrounding towns, many of which have few extant records.

This means that when indexes are completed for Piatek, this new material will finally allow you to
expand your research into a time period or geographical area that has been elusive and beyond
your reach. Once these indexes are completed, you may simply print out an order form >from the
Jewish Records Indexing-Poland web site and order the records >from the Polish State Archives.

I have agreed to take on the responsibility of Piatek Town Leader. Please join me in making this
extremely worthwhile and exciting project a success. Your participation in this project can help
bring to light information you may have never imagined you would find.

Please spread the word to everyone you are in contact with who has an interest in Piatek or this
area -- family, friends, co-researchers. All should be encouraged to participate.

Updates on the JRI-Poland /PSA/ Piatek project will be available in the future at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm click on "Status Report: PSA Projects
Underway."

It is estimated that the costs of adding the Piatek records to the JRI-Poland database will be $709.
Researchers contributing a minimum of $50 will be eligible to receive a copy of the Excel
spreadsheets that include the entire index of Piatek birth, marriage, and death records.

Contributions in US Dollars should be made payable to "Jewish Records Indexing - Poland." Send
check, bank draft or money order to: Sheila Salo, Treasurer, JRI-Poland, 5607 Greenleaf Road,
Cheverly, MD 20785, USA. To make your contribution by VISA credit card, please complete, in
full, the contribution form that will appear when you click on the VISA logo at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/visa.htm>;. For those of you >from outside the United States,
contributions can only be accepted in US Dollars unless you use a VISA credit card. Your VISA
will be charged in its local currency. However, please identify the amount of your contribution in
US Dollars. JRI-Poland is a non-profit organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal
Revenue Code and is fully deductible for taxpayers in the US.

ALL CONTRIBUTIONS SHOULD BE MARKED " FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT." If you
send a check, PLEASE WRITE ON THE CHECK "FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT."

If you are not familiar with the JRI-Poland database, please go to the JRI-Poland home page
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL>; to find out more. By clicking on "Search the database," you
can experiment and see how the system works. By clicking on the hyperlink "Polish State
Archives" on the main table, you can find out more about the Polish State Archives projects.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Sheila Goldstein Salo
Cheverly, Maryland


error in JRI-Pl - PSA indexes #poland

Nicole Berline <nberline@...>
 

On nov 12, I received the vital records (which I had ordered in May) >from PSA ,
using the JRI-Pl indexes for Warszawa. I am very happy about this,
although I can't yet tell wether any of them belongs to my family.

But apparently one of the index is false:
The cover letter writes that
"the record 294 in the book of deaths of non christians [...], year 1892
is not the death record of Chaim ROCHMAN " .
( I checked again in JRI-Pl data base, the index is there all right).

Probably there was a misprint in the indexing. Has this happenned before ?
Can anything be done about it ?
( PSA did not mention returning the 10$ for that false index ...)

Nicole BERLINE, Paris
searching ROTENSZTEJN ROCHMAN RAKOWER Warsaw


JRI Poland #Poland Piatek Vital Records - Great News #poland

Sheila Salo <ssalo@...>
 

Great news for fellow researchers of Piatek and vicinity!

Vital records for the town of Piatek (Piontek) have been discovered at the Leczyca branch of the
Plock regional archives. This find is a welcome surprise, since it had been thought that records for
this town did not exist. Neither the LDS Family History Library nor Miriam Weiner's _Jewish
Roots in Poland_ list vital records for this town.

Piatek is in Lodz province in central Poland, latitude 52o 04', longitude 19o 29'. Neighboring
towns include: Bielawy, a distance of 7.1 m >from Piatek; Ozorkow, 11 m; Leczyca, 11.3 m;
Kutno, 12.5 m; Glowno, 12.7 m; Opole, 13.5 m; Dabie, 13.6 m; Zychlin, 13.9 m; Zgierz, 15.2 m;
Lowicz, 19.4 m; Lodz, 21.9 m; and Brzeziny, 21. 9 m.

The Piatek records total 6,444 births, marriages, and deaths, and cover the years >from 1826 to
1931. Most of the records >from 1842 on were indexed by the original clerks. Thanks to Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland through its agreement with the Polish State Archives, the index pages
have already been photocopied and transcription has begun. The years without indexes will be
indexed by the Polish archivists. The resulting database will be invaluable to researchers of Piatek,
and also to those of surrounding towns, many of which have few extant records.

This means that when indexes are completed for Piatek, this new material will finally allow you to
expand your research into a time period or geographical area that has been elusive and beyond
your reach. Once these indexes are completed, you may simply print out an order form >from the
Jewish Records Indexing-Poland web site and order the records >from the Polish State Archives.

I have agreed to take on the responsibility of Piatek Town Leader. Please join me in making this
extremely worthwhile and exciting project a success. Your participation in this project can help
bring to light information you may have never imagined you would find.

Please spread the word to everyone you are in contact with who has an interest in Piatek or this
area -- family, friends, co-researchers. All should be encouraged to participate.

Updates on the JRI-Poland /PSA/ Piatek project will be available in the future at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/psastat.htm click on "Status Report: PSA Projects
Underway."

It is estimated that the costs of adding the Piatek records to the JRI-Poland database will be $709.
Researchers contributing a minimum of $50 will be eligible to receive a copy of the Excel
spreadsheets that include the entire index of Piatek birth, marriage, and death records.

Contributions in US Dollars should be made payable to "Jewish Records Indexing - Poland." Send
check, bank draft or money order to: Sheila Salo, Treasurer, JRI-Poland, 5607 Greenleaf Road,
Cheverly, MD 20785, USA. To make your contribution by VISA credit card, please complete, in
full, the contribution form that will appear when you click on the VISA logo at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/visa.htm>;. For those of you >from outside the United States,
contributions can only be accepted in US Dollars unless you use a VISA credit card. Your VISA
will be charged in its local currency. However, please identify the amount of your contribution in
US Dollars. JRI-Poland is a non-profit organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal
Revenue Code and is fully deductible for taxpayers in the US.

ALL CONTRIBUTIONS SHOULD BE MARKED " FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT." If you
send a check, PLEASE WRITE ON THE CHECK "FOR PIATEK PSA PROJECT."

If you are not familiar with the JRI-Poland database, please go to the JRI-Poland home page
<http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL>; to find out more. By clicking on "Search the database," you
can experiment and see how the system works. By clicking on the hyperlink "Polish State
Archives" on the main table, you can find out more about the Polish State Archives projects.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Sincerely,
Sheila Goldstein Salo
Cheverly, Maryland


JRI Poland #Poland error in JRI-Pl - PSA indexes #poland

Nicole Berline <nberline@...>
 

On nov 12, I received the vital records (which I had ordered in May) >from PSA ,
using the JRI-Pl indexes for Warszawa. I am very happy about this,
although I can't yet tell wether any of them belongs to my family.

But apparently one of the index is false:
The cover letter writes that
"the record 294 in the book of deaths of non christians [...], year 1892
is not the death record of Chaim ROCHMAN " .
( I checked again in JRI-Pl data base, the index is there all right).

Probably there was a misprint in the indexing. Has this happenned before ?
Can anything be done about it ?
( PSA did not mention returning the 10$ for that false index ...)

Nicole BERLINE, Paris
searching ROTENSZTEJN ROCHMAN RAKOWER Warsaw


Re: Julian dates #belarus

Phyllis Cole <phylliscole@...>
 

Eleanor,
How about giving all of us that info.
I just the info on jewishgen.
I'll put that info in my files.
Thank you very much.
Phyllis Cole
River Edge, NJ

From: "Eleanor Platt Q.C." <kbx62@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: Julian dates
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:08:15 +0000

Elaine
The first step must surely be to find out when Christmas fell in the Julian
calendar. Dont assume it was 25 December. It may br I just dont know. Then
when you have a date there is a programme of Jewish calendar many of us
have, including me! that changes a month >from Julian/Gregorian /Hebrew. So
if you get the actul date you want then we can help.
Eleanor Lind
London UK
Moderator note: this info can be found in the Jewishgen Info files at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Julian dates #belarus

Phyllis Cole <phylliscole@...>
 

Eleanor,
How about giving all of us that info.
I just the info on jewishgen.
I'll put that info in my files.
Thank you very much.
Phyllis Cole
River Edge, NJ

From: "Eleanor Platt Q.C." <kbx62@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Subject: Julian dates
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:08:15 +0000

Elaine
The first step must surely be to find out when Christmas fell in the Julian
calendar. Dont assume it was 25 December. It may br I just dont know. Then
when you have a date there is a programme of Jewish calendar many of us
have, including me! that changes a month >from Julian/Gregorian /Hebrew. So
if you get the actul date you want then we can help.
Eleanor Lind
London UK
Moderator note: this info can be found in the Jewishgen Info files at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm


SIGNATURE MISSING #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Hi-
In my hurry to send my message to you a few hours ago, I neglected to sign
the message. Sorry.

Here is the message with a proper signature.

Dear SIG members,

Recently there was a posting regarding the Grodno 1912 voters' list. I
checked out this list and found it to be very helpful in locating several
family members. After copying all the data, I went back over the list to
find the source of information using the ID number. There is no link access
that I could find. I checked the information but maybe I missed something.
Any help would be appreciated.

Searching:
TIMIANKER - Brest Litovsk-Cleveland, Ohio
TEMPKIN - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
WOLSKY- Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
BLECHER-Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
GOMETZ - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@worldnet.att.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus SIGNATURE MISSING #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Hi-
In my hurry to send my message to you a few hours ago, I neglected to sign
the message. Sorry.

Here is the message with a proper signature.

Dear SIG members,

Recently there was a posting regarding the Grodno 1912 voters' list. I
checked out this list and found it to be very helpful in locating several
family members. After copying all the data, I went back over the list to
find the source of information using the ID number. There is no link access
that I could find. I checked the information but maybe I missed something.
Any help would be appreciated.

Searching:
TIMIANKER - Brest Litovsk-Cleveland, Ohio
TEMPKIN - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
WOLSKY- Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
BLECHER-Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
GOMETZ - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
eileen.price@worldnet.att.net


Re: Gorodeya #belarus

Michael Steinore <msteinor@...>
 

I don't have much info on Gorodeya, except there were various sections
of the town, which also included a number of estates. The part of
town where Jews lived was probably called Gorodeya-Gorno, and had a
population of 744 in early 20th cent. I have a map which shows the
town.

Michael Steinore

Moderator note: >from where Michael?


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Gorodeya #belarus

Michael Steinore <msteinor@...>
 

I don't have much info on Gorodeya, except there were various sections
of the town, which also included a number of estates. The part of
town where Jews lived was probably called Gorodeya-Gorno, and had a
population of 744 in early 20th cent. I have a map which shows the
town.

Michael Steinore

Moderator note: >from where Michael?


Grodno database-1912 voters' list #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dear SIG members,

Recently there was a posting regarding the Grodno 1912 voters' list. I
checked out this list and found it to be very helpful in locating several
family members. After copying all the data, I went back over the list to
find the source of information using the ID number. There is no link access
that I could find. I checked the information but maybe I missed something.
Any help would be appreciated.

Searching:
TIMIANKER - Brest Litovsk-Cleveland, Ohio
TEMPKIN - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
WOLSKY- Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
BLECHER-Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
GOMETZ - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio


Belarus SIG #Belarus Grodno database-1912 voters' list #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dear SIG members,

Recently there was a posting regarding the Grodno 1912 voters' list. I
checked out this list and found it to be very helpful in locating several
family members. After copying all the data, I went back over the list to
find the source of information using the ID number. There is no link access
that I could find. I checked the information but maybe I missed something.
Any help would be appreciated.

Searching:
TIMIANKER - Brest Litovsk-Cleveland, Ohio
TEMPKIN - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
WOLSKY- Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
BLECHER-Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio
GOMETZ - Brest Litovsk - Cleveland, Ohio


French Resources on Infofiles #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners interested in French Genealogy,

you often write me to ask for elementary questions.
I wish to remind that , since years ago, you may find the
Infofiles that I have written for Jewishgen.
Before writing me, please, look at these Infofiles.
On GenAmi website there are some models to send to
the Mairies in order to ask for civil records.
Then, if necessary and for special cases, of course,
you may write me, I always answer.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://asso.genami.free.fr

MODERATOR NOTE: The InfoFiles are located at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/
Click on "France" to see the files about that country.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen French Resources on Infofiles #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners interested in French Genealogy,

you often write me to ask for elementary questions.
I wish to remind that , since years ago, you may find the
Infofiles that I have written for Jewishgen.
Before writing me, please, look at these Infofiles.
On GenAmi website there are some models to send to
the Mairies in order to ask for civil records.
Then, if necessary and for special cases, of course,
you may write me, I always answer.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://asso.genami.free.fr

MODERATOR NOTE: The InfoFiles are located at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/
Click on "France" to see the files about that country.


Re: Child Traveling Alone #general

cpspier <cpspier@...>
 

According to family myth, one of our forebears travelled, alone, from
Amsterdam at the age of 9, about 1825. I have never been able to find out
exactly why her (apparently relatively prosperous) parents left her behind
and then sent for her some unknown time later -- though I have been told
that it was not uncommon.

Paula Spier
Brewster, MA
cpspier@geoserve.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@juno.com>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Child Traveling Alone

I have just received the List or Manifest of Alien Passengers
containing my great-uncle's name. It indicates he was age 11 at the time
and that his passage was paid for by his older brother (who would have
been about 14 years his senior).

Looking at the rest of the names on the list, none of which I
recognize, it appears the boy was traveling alone.

How likely would that have been (in 1909)?


Rebe and Ite on ship's manifest #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Eric Freiman-Polli wrote:
"I just received the ships manifest for my Gmother (Hinde Rebe). It
states place of birth as Rokischke Lithuania. I immediately went to
StetlSeekers and found many matches. I don't know which one it is. On
her Petition for Naturalization, it lists her birthplace as Kovno,
Lith. Can anyone give me some insight on how the town (Rokischke) may
be spelled ?

Also, She came to the U.S. as a widow with a daughter (Rochel Rebe, my
mothers 1/2 sister). both came under the last name Rebe. It states that
she came to meet her father Rubin Rebe in Chelsea, MA. I have her
father listed as Yosef BERS (and her maiden name as the same). I am
assuming that it was a mis type, and she was really coming to meet her
father-in-law.

One final question. She listed her nearest relative as Ite Rabinowitch
from Rokischke. Is Ite a female or a male name?"



She might have said that she was coming to her Father Rubin, Rabbi in
Chelsea Mass. and the yutz in the shipping office didn't know a Rabbi
from a last name! So they listed Rabbi (which was usually pronounced
Rebe so he spelled it that way) as her last name also.

Ite is a woman's name. I had an Aunt who in English was Etta, but it is
the same name.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: Protected Jew #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

This is simple. Protected Jew means that he paid Schutzgeld-a bribe to
the government so that he could stay in the town.

Similar to what you hear about [in books only I am sure ;-)] gangs
shaking down small shopowners. 'We will provide protection for only $$$
a week. If you don't pay, you may have an accident (that is to say we
will trash your store and break your legs).'

On a record of my 3d gr grandfather's death, it says that his son paid
the proper tax or bribe (Schutz) so that he could receive his father's
estate and stay in the town.

It was usual practice in Europe for governments to charge special taxes
and then when the government needed some money, charge the Jews more.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Child Traveling Alone #general

cpspier <cpspier@...>
 

According to family myth, one of our forebears travelled, alone, from
Amsterdam at the age of 9, about 1825. I have never been able to find out
exactly why her (apparently relatively prosperous) parents left her behind
and then sent for her some unknown time later -- though I have been told
that it was not uncommon.

Paula Spier
Brewster, MA
cpspier@geoserve.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@juno.com>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Child Traveling Alone

I have just received the List or Manifest of Alien Passengers
containing my great-uncle's name. It indicates he was age 11 at the time
and that his passage was paid for by his older brother (who would have
been about 14 years his senior).

Looking at the rest of the names on the list, none of which I
recognize, it appears the boy was traveling alone.

How likely would that have been (in 1909)?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rebe and Ite on ship's manifest #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Eric Freiman-Polli wrote:
"I just received the ships manifest for my Gmother (Hinde Rebe). It
states place of birth as Rokischke Lithuania. I immediately went to
StetlSeekers and found many matches. I don't know which one it is. On
her Petition for Naturalization, it lists her birthplace as Kovno,
Lith. Can anyone give me some insight on how the town (Rokischke) may
be spelled ?

Also, She came to the U.S. as a widow with a daughter (Rochel Rebe, my
mothers 1/2 sister). both came under the last name Rebe. It states that
she came to meet her father Rubin Rebe in Chelsea, MA. I have her
father listed as Yosef BERS (and her maiden name as the same). I am
assuming that it was a mis type, and she was really coming to meet her
father-in-law.

One final question. She listed her nearest relative as Ite Rabinowitch
from Rokischke. Is Ite a female or a male name?"



She might have said that she was coming to her Father Rubin, Rabbi in
Chelsea Mass. and the yutz in the shipping office didn't know a Rabbi
from a last name! So they listed Rabbi (which was usually pronounced
Rebe so he spelled it that way) as her last name also.

Ite is a woman's name. I had an Aunt who in English was Etta, but it is
the same name.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Protected Jew #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

This is simple. Protected Jew means that he paid Schutzgeld-a bribe to
the government so that he could stay in the town.

Similar to what you hear about [in books only I am sure ;-)] gangs
shaking down small shopowners. 'We will provide protection for only $$$
a week. If you don't pay, you may have an accident (that is to say we
will trash your store and break your legs).'

On a record of my 3d gr grandfather's death, it says that his son paid
the proper tax or bribe (Schutz) so that he could receive his father's
estate and stay in the town.

It was usual practice in Europe for governments to charge special taxes
and then when the government needed some money, charge the Jews more.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY