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Re Woman's name after a divorce #general

david fielker <david@...>
 

My great-aunt Chaya BINDER married Moshka Kivovitch Kornet in Wysock,
Volhynia, but according to the family he ran off a week later with all her
money. In her application for marriage in London in 1926 she describes
herself as Chaya Wolfna Kornet (Wolf was her father's name), divorced,
formerly Binder, spinster. So no reversion to her maiden name.

David Fielker
London UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Woman's name after a divorce #general

david fielker <david@...>
 

My great-aunt Chaya BINDER married Moshka Kivovitch Kornet in Wysock,
Volhynia, but according to the family he ran off a week later with all her
money. In her application for marriage in London in 1926 she describes
herself as Chaya Wolfna Kornet (Wolf was her father's name), divorced,
formerly Binder, spinster. So no reversion to her maiden name.

David Fielker
London UK


Re: The given name Leyb #general

Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

"Leyb" is the Yiddish word for lion. Our patriarch Jacob likened his son,
Judah, to a young lion. Hence the name Yehuda Leib, meaning Yehuda is a
lion. Aryay, the Hebrew word for lion, is often found preceding Leib,
instead of Yehuda. In some cases both were used: Aryay Yehuda Leib. Loeb
is the German word for lion. The spelling is actually L-o with umlaut-b.

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:22:37 -0300 Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
writes:

Dear all,

What kind of name is Leyb and how it relates to Yehuda? Is Leyb and
Lob the same name, just different spellings?

Many thanks
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The given name Leyb #general

Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

"Leyb" is the Yiddish word for lion. Our patriarch Jacob likened his son,
Judah, to a young lion. Hence the name Yehuda Leib, meaning Yehuda is a
lion. Aryay, the Hebrew word for lion, is often found preceding Leib,
instead of Yehuda. In some cases both were used: Aryay Yehuda Leib. Loeb
is the German word for lion. The spelling is actually L-o with umlaut-b.

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:22:37 -0300 Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
writes:

Dear all,

What kind of name is Leyb and how it relates to Yehuda? Is Leyb and
Lob the same name, just different spellings?

Many thanks
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Dr. Rachel MARGOLIS of Vilnius & Israel #general

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

I have just rec'd & looked through my copy of "Vilnius Ghetto: Lists of
Prisoners" & would like to contact Dr. Rachel Margolis, who discovered the
lists in 1993. The book mentions she has since moved to Israel. Could
someone please check Israeli phone directories for me for her address?

Thanks in advance!
Irene Newhouse


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dr. Rachel MARGOLIS of Vilnius & Israel #general

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

I have just rec'd & looked through my copy of "Vilnius Ghetto: Lists of
Prisoners" & would like to contact Dr. Rachel Margolis, who discovered the
lists in 1993. The book mentions she has since moved to Israel. Could
someone please check Israeli phone directories for me for her address?

Thanks in advance!
Irene Newhouse


Announcing ShtetlSchleppers 2001 Schedules #ciechanow #poland

Paul W. Ginsburg <pginsburg@...>
 

Can you remember what you did when you first discovered the name of your
ancestral shtetl? Did you try to find it on a map, or did you know to go
right to JewishGen's Shtetlseeker where lo and behold, there it was with a
star marking the exact location. You may have looked at that spot over and
over and began to dream about going there yourself someday. If that has been
your dream, it can become reality. JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers can take you
there.

Let 2001 be the year when you will actually visit that shtetl of your
ancestry, walk in the footsteps of your parents, your grandparents, your
great grand parents . As the Talmudic saying goes..."if not now, when? Let
this be the year that "when" becomes "now".

Explore the itineraries which take you to a hub city, provide the best in
touring sites of Jewish interest, introduce you to local leaders and then,
with your own private guide/driver/translator, really **live** the dream.
visit the place where your family originated. To get a better idea of making
this work for you..
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>;. And what about London2001,
the International Summer Seminar?

Whether your plans include visiting before or after, but definitely 'in
conjunction with' London2001, the International Jewish Genealogy Summer
Seminar, be sure to sign up early . You will not only be sure of reserving
space, but most importantly you'll allow plenty of time for productive
pre-research.

The plans and schedules for London2001 are now online and linked >from the
JewishGen home page. It's a tremendous program with more than enough to meet
every interest. Have you looked, have you made your conference or hotel
reservation? Before you make your airline reservations, come and take a look
at
http://www.jewishgen.org/London2001/travel.htm

With advance planning and some smooth scheduling on the part of Joanna
Fletcher, JewishGen's ShtetlSchlepper Travel Manager it may be possible to
include London in the flight package for a pre- or post- conference
ShtetlSchlepper package enabling savings on airfares.

Finally, to accommodate those who have either already visited their
ancestral origins or have not yet reached that point in their research to
take that step, ShtetlSchleppers has created two or three-country cultural
tours
where you can visit Prague & Vienna, or Prague, Vienna & Budapest, all three
known for their breathtaking architecture and rich in Jewish history. It's
all online awaiting your visit.
-scheduled group departures,
-customized independent travel,
-two or three country cultural tours, and finally
- favorable air fares >from most cities to London2001

So whatever your dreams, whatever your travel interests may be in
conjunction with the London conference, Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take
you there!

http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/

Paul W. Ginsburg
ShtetlSchleppers Project Manager
pginsburg@jewishgen.org


#Ciechanow #Poland Announcing ShtetlSchleppers 2001 Schedules #poland #ciechanow

Paul W. Ginsburg <pginsburg@...>
 

Can you remember what you did when you first discovered the name of your
ancestral shtetl? Did you try to find it on a map, or did you know to go
right to JewishGen's Shtetlseeker where lo and behold, there it was with a
star marking the exact location. You may have looked at that spot over and
over and began to dream about going there yourself someday. If that has been
your dream, it can become reality. JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers can take you
there.

Let 2001 be the year when you will actually visit that shtetl of your
ancestry, walk in the footsteps of your parents, your grandparents, your
great grand parents . As the Talmudic saying goes..."if not now, when? Let
this be the year that "when" becomes "now".

Explore the itineraries which take you to a hub city, provide the best in
touring sites of Jewish interest, introduce you to local leaders and then,
with your own private guide/driver/translator, really **live** the dream.
visit the place where your family originated. To get a better idea of making
this work for you..
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>;. And what about London2001,
the International Summer Seminar?

Whether your plans include visiting before or after, but definitely 'in
conjunction with' London2001, the International Jewish Genealogy Summer
Seminar, be sure to sign up early . You will not only be sure of reserving
space, but most importantly you'll allow plenty of time for productive
pre-research.

The plans and schedules for London2001 are now online and linked >from the
JewishGen home page. It's a tremendous program with more than enough to meet
every interest. Have you looked, have you made your conference or hotel
reservation? Before you make your airline reservations, come and take a look
at
http://www.jewishgen.org/London2001/travel.htm

With advance planning and some smooth scheduling on the part of Joanna
Fletcher, JewishGen's ShtetlSchlepper Travel Manager it may be possible to
include London in the flight package for a pre- or post- conference
ShtetlSchlepper package enabling savings on airfares.

Finally, to accommodate those who have either already visited their
ancestral origins or have not yet reached that point in their research to
take that step, ShtetlSchleppers has created two or three-country cultural
tours
where you can visit Prague & Vienna, or Prague, Vienna & Budapest, all three
known for their breathtaking architecture and rich in Jewish history. It's
all online awaiting your visit.
-scheduled group departures,
-customized independent travel,
-two or three country cultural tours, and finally
- favorable air fares >from most cities to London2001

So whatever your dreams, whatever your travel interests may be in
conjunction with the London conference, Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take
you there!

http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/

Paul W. Ginsburg
ShtetlSchleppers Project Manager
pginsburg@jewishgen.org


Palestinian Jews #general

Yehuda Witenoff <swit@...>
 

To those interested,
I have snipped the two earlier mentions of this subject. I am acquainted
with a woman who lives in a Bedouin village and considers herself an Arab
Bedouin, with a Jewish grandmother. Her grandfather died at an early age
leaving his Jewish wife with two sons. She returned to Israel and
Jewishness on her husbands death and took one of the sons with her. The
second remained with the grandfather's family and she is the daughter of
this son. She no doubt has Jewish cousins and I know that she has contact
with her Jewish Grandmother.

Yehuda Witenoff,
Tivon, Israel

Researching, Agranovitch in Mena, Zimmerinov in Mena, Bezbrozh and
Teplitsky in Zvenigorodka and Lysyenka, all in the Ukraraine


Subject: Re: Palestinian Jews
From: Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:34:24 -0400
X-Message-Number: 31


Has anyone ever read any accounts of people who are Jewish according
to Halacha who are Palestinians* (or other Arabs) because their mothers
were Jews?
<snip>
David Goldman
David's question is indeed an interesting one, because Jewish law (quite
anomalously and for insufficiently researched historical reasons) defines
Jewishness matrilineally while Islamic law (more normally for patriarchal
<snip>
would not be considered a Jew unless he or she converted to Judaism (or
unless the mother had converted before conception of the child).

Judith Romney Wegner


MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion is straying away >from the discussion
groups's focus on Jewish genealogy. Please continue privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Palestinian Jews #general

Yehuda Witenoff <swit@...>
 

To those interested,
I have snipped the two earlier mentions of this subject. I am acquainted
with a woman who lives in a Bedouin village and considers herself an Arab
Bedouin, with a Jewish grandmother. Her grandfather died at an early age
leaving his Jewish wife with two sons. She returned to Israel and
Jewishness on her husbands death and took one of the sons with her. The
second remained with the grandfather's family and she is the daughter of
this son. She no doubt has Jewish cousins and I know that she has contact
with her Jewish Grandmother.

Yehuda Witenoff,
Tivon, Israel

Researching, Agranovitch in Mena, Zimmerinov in Mena, Bezbrozh and
Teplitsky in Zvenigorodka and Lysyenka, all in the Ukraraine


Subject: Re: Palestinian Jews
From: Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:34:24 -0400
X-Message-Number: 31


Has anyone ever read any accounts of people who are Jewish according
to Halacha who are Palestinians* (or other Arabs) because their mothers
were Jews?
<snip>
David Goldman
David's question is indeed an interesting one, because Jewish law (quite
anomalously and for insufficiently researched historical reasons) defines
Jewishness matrilineally while Islamic law (more normally for patriarchal
<snip>
would not be considered a Jew unless he or she converted to Judaism (or
unless the mother had converted before conception of the child).

Judith Romney Wegner


MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion is straying away >from the discussion
groups's focus on Jewish genealogy. Please continue privately.


Re: Palestinian Jews #general

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

I was away for the weekend and did not see the original posting. I wonder
if the person who posted the original message. might have been referring to
the Samaritan community, which has existed for millennia in the region
known under the British mandate as Palestine. They observe Jewish
traditions, claim to have a Torah that is 3500 years old (written by a
grandchild or great-grandchild of the High Priest Aaron). Depending on
whether they live inside or outside the Green Line, they consider
themselves as either Israeli or Palestinian.
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@mindspring.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Palestinian Jews #general

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

I was away for the weekend and did not see the original posting. I wonder
if the person who posted the original message. might have been referring to
the Samaritan community, which has existed for millennia in the region
known under the British mandate as Palestine. They observe Jewish
traditions, claim to have a Torah that is 3500 years old (written by a
grandchild or great-grandchild of the High Priest Aaron). Depending on
whether they live inside or outside the Green Line, they consider
themselves as either Israeli or Palestinian.
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@mindspring.com


Announcing ShtetlSchleppers 2001 Schedules #poland #lodz

Paul W. Ginsburg <pginsburg@...>
 

Can you remember what you did when you first discovered the name of your
ancestral shtetl? Did you try to find it on a map, or did you know to go
right to JewishGen's Shtetlseeker where lo and behold, there it was with a
star marking the exact location. You may have looked at that spot over and
over and began to dream about going there yourself someday. If that has been
your dream, it can become reality. JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers can take you
there.

Let 2001 be the year when you will actually visit that shtetl of your
ancestry, walk in the footsteps of your parents, your grandparents, your
great grand parents . As the Talmudic saying goes..."if not now, when? Let
this be the year that "when" becomes "now".

Explore the itineraries which take you to a hub city, provide the best in
touring sites of Jewish interest, introduce you to local leaders and then,
with your own private guide/driver/translator, really **live** the dream.
visit the place where your family originated. To get a better idea of making
this work for you..
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>;. And what about London2001,
the International Summer Seminar?

Whether your plans include visiting before or after, but definitely 'in
conjunction with' London2001, the International Jewish Genealogy Summer
Seminar, be sure to sign up early . You will not only be sure of reserving
space, but most importantly you'll allow plenty of time for productive
pre-research.

The plans and schedules for London2001 are now online and linked >from the
JewishGen home page. It's a tremendous program with more than enough to meet
every interest. Have you looked, have you made your conference or hotel
reservation? Before you make your airline reservations, come and take a look
at
http://www.jewishgen.org/London2001/travel.htm

With advance planning and some smooth scheduling on the part of Joanna
Fletcher, JewishGen's ShtetlSchlepper Travel Manager it may be possible to
include London in the flight package for a pre- or post- conference
ShtetlSchlepper package enabling savings on airfares.

Finally, to accommodate those who have either already visited their
ancestral origins or have not yet reached that point in their research to
take that step, ShtetlSchleppers has created two or three-country cultural
tours
where you can visit Prague & Vienna, or Prague, Vienna & Budapest, all three
known for their breathtaking architecture and rich in Jewish history. It's
all online awaiting your visit.
-scheduled group departures,
-customized independent travel,
-two or three country cultural tours, and finally
- favorable air fares >from most cities to London2001

So whatever your dreams, whatever your travel interests may be in
conjunction with the London conference, Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take
you there!

http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/

Paul W. Ginsburg
ShtetlSchleppers Project Manager
pginsburg@jewishgen.org


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Announcing ShtetlSchleppers 2001 Schedules #lodz #poland

Paul W. Ginsburg <pginsburg@...>
 

Can you remember what you did when you first discovered the name of your
ancestral shtetl? Did you try to find it on a map, or did you know to go
right to JewishGen's Shtetlseeker where lo and behold, there it was with a
star marking the exact location. You may have looked at that spot over and
over and began to dream about going there yourself someday. If that has been
your dream, it can become reality. JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers can take you
there.

Let 2001 be the year when you will actually visit that shtetl of your
ancestry, walk in the footsteps of your parents, your grandparents, your
great grand parents . As the Talmudic saying goes..."if not now, when? Let
this be the year that "when" becomes "now".

Explore the itineraries which take you to a hub city, provide the best in
touring sites of Jewish interest, introduce you to local leaders and then,
with your own private guide/driver/translator, really **live** the dream.
visit the place where your family originated. To get a better idea of making
this work for you..
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>;. And what about London2001,
the International Summer Seminar?

Whether your plans include visiting before or after, but definitely 'in
conjunction with' London2001, the International Jewish Genealogy Summer
Seminar, be sure to sign up early . You will not only be sure of reserving
space, but most importantly you'll allow plenty of time for productive
pre-research.

The plans and schedules for London2001 are now online and linked >from the
JewishGen home page. It's a tremendous program with more than enough to meet
every interest. Have you looked, have you made your conference or hotel
reservation? Before you make your airline reservations, come and take a look
at
http://www.jewishgen.org/London2001/travel.htm

With advance planning and some smooth scheduling on the part of Joanna
Fletcher, JewishGen's ShtetlSchlepper Travel Manager it may be possible to
include London in the flight package for a pre- or post- conference
ShtetlSchlepper package enabling savings on airfares.

Finally, to accommodate those who have either already visited their
ancestral origins or have not yet reached that point in their research to
take that step, ShtetlSchleppers has created two or three-country cultural
tours
where you can visit Prague & Vienna, or Prague, Vienna & Budapest, all three
known for their breathtaking architecture and rich in Jewish history. It's
all online awaiting your visit.
-scheduled group departures,
-customized independent travel,
-two or three country cultural tours, and finally
- favorable air fares >from most cities to London2001

So whatever your dreams, whatever your travel interests may be in
conjunction with the London conference, Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take
you there!

http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/

Paul W. Ginsburg
ShtetlSchleppers Project Manager
pginsburg@jewishgen.org


Re: The given name Leyb #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi Tom,

Leyb is Yiddish for Hebrew Arye (others: Leon, Lion, Lew, Lev). I do not
aware of the direct connection to Yehuda, but this used to be a common
combination in the double name: LeybYuda.
Regards and Happy Chanukah Greetings

Alex

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

"Tom Venetianer" <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote in message

Dear all,

What kind of name is Leyb and how it relates to Yehuda? Is Leyb and
Lob the same name, just different spellings?

Many thanks
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The given name Leyb #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Hi Tom,

Leyb is Yiddish for Hebrew Arye (others: Leon, Lion, Lew, Lev). I do not
aware of the direct connection to Yehuda, but this used to be a common
combination in the double name: LeybYuda.
Regards and Happy Chanukah Greetings

Alex

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB

"Tom Venetianer" <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote in message

Dear all,

What kind of name is Leyb and how it relates to Yehuda? Is Leyb and
Lob the same name, just different spellings?

Many thanks
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Some thoughts #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

Thank you for the many responses to the questions I put in my last
musings. After I have considered them all fully I will try and come
up with a summary which may prove useful to some but will certainly
not be scientific in any sense.

As you no doubt know by now, my passion has been to try and
understand that which will not leave me at peace. All of your
contributions will help. If there are more or you who want to
contribute but have not, (for what ever reason) please do.


Thank you again

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au
--
David Frey
Researching Beshincovichi, (Gildinsohn,, Steinhart)
K'lemnick,(Rabbi Avram Israel Gildinsohn, Gilden)
Dryhobitch (Frey), and
Ireland & Canada & USA (William Walsh) (Yes I know!)
Warsaw (Kaufman, Braf)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Some thoughts #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

Thank you for the many responses to the questions I put in my last
musings. After I have considered them all fully I will try and come
up with a summary which may prove useful to some but will certainly
not be scientific in any sense.

As you no doubt know by now, my passion has been to try and
understand that which will not leave me at peace. All of your
contributions will help. If there are more or you who want to
contribute but have not, (for what ever reason) please do.


Thank you again

David Frey
dfrey@bigpond.net.au
--
David Frey
Researching Beshincovichi, (Gildinsohn,, Steinhart)
K'lemnick,(Rabbi Avram Israel Gildinsohn, Gilden)
Dryhobitch (Frey), and
Ireland & Canada & USA (William Walsh) (Yes I know!)
Warsaw (Kaufman, Braf)


Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

Dms1425@...
 

Although you stated that you hoped to offer some constructive criticism, I
feel strongly that you have effectively stated that those of us who are new
or not well versed in the genealogy "protocol" are not welcome, and our posts
are a waste of valuable time.

I have read the FAQ's on JewishGen and other sites (along with books,
articles, etc.); that is how I found my way here in the first place. All
those sources strongly encourage involvement with other researchers who have
"been there and done that," along with others who may be "fumbling around" at
the same time. I believed this forum to be the best way to interact with
others who were trying to achieve the same goals as I.

I worked on my family history for nearly a year before I subscribed to this
mailing list, and if my questions seem basic, I apologize. As you know, much
of the information we find can be confusing and seemingly contradictory. I
thought this forum was the appropriate place to seek help in finding answers
to my questions.

Thank you for your consideration,
Deborah Mann
dms1425@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

Dms1425@...
 

Although you stated that you hoped to offer some constructive criticism, I
feel strongly that you have effectively stated that those of us who are new
or not well versed in the genealogy "protocol" are not welcome, and our posts
are a waste of valuable time.

I have read the FAQ's on JewishGen and other sites (along with books,
articles, etc.); that is how I found my way here in the first place. All
those sources strongly encourage involvement with other researchers who have
"been there and done that," along with others who may be "fumbling around" at
the same time. I believed this forum to be the best way to interact with
others who were trying to achieve the same goals as I.

I worked on my family history for nearly a year before I subscribed to this
mailing list, and if my questions seem basic, I apologize. As you know, much
of the information we find can be confusing and seemingly contradictory. I
thought this forum was the appropriate place to seek help in finding answers
to my questions.

Thank you for your consideration,
Deborah Mann
dms1425@aol.com