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Re: Greher's Department Store #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Why would it have to be named Greher's Department Store (unless you know
it was)? It could have been called anything. It may no longer be in
business also.

Why not call or write to any Greher's you can find on an Internet
Directory. I found 24 families around the country, some no doubt known
to you, the others could lead you to the lost family members.

You can try people.yahoo.com or www.555-1212.com or any of many other
sites. I have used this several times with less common names and found
relatives.

Be sure that you give enough information and emphasize the genealogy
that the people will know you aren't looking for money.

I even wrote to Jerry Bruckheimer (movie producer) many years ago when I
first heard about him. He gave my letter to his father because he
apparently wasn't interested in the family, but I wrote to his father
and and wrote to and met two of his aunts, all now deceased, and keep up
with a first cousin (Hi, Jeff) who is probably reading this. We have a
common interest in the family history, and I was lucky enough to find a
very nice family connected to my immediate family.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Greher's Department Store #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Why would it have to be named Greher's Department Store (unless you know
it was)? It could have been called anything. It may no longer be in
business also.

Why not call or write to any Greher's you can find on an Internet
Directory. I found 24 families around the country, some no doubt known
to you, the others could lead you to the lost family members.

You can try people.yahoo.com or www.555-1212.com or any of many other
sites. I have used this several times with less common names and found
relatives.

Be sure that you give enough information and emphasize the genealogy
that the people will know you aren't looking for money.

I even wrote to Jerry Bruckheimer (movie producer) many years ago when I
first heard about him. He gave my letter to his father because he
apparently wasn't interested in the family, but I wrote to his father
and and wrote to and met two of his aunts, all now deceased, and keep up
with a first cousin (Hi, Jeff) who is probably reading this. We have a
common interest in the family history, and I was lucky enough to find a
very nice family connected to my immediate family.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Odessa #ukraine

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

During the 19th century was Odessa part of a Gubernya or Uezd? If so what
would they have been? Odessa, ?, ?, Russia.

David Donn
from Seaside, OR
Researching:
DUNN/DONN/MIZANSKY, MISSAN (>from Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania) BUCHMAN
(Lithuania, Belarus), KUSHNER (>from Austria, Belarus, Ukraine) ASKINS,
YELLIN, KOPELSON (Russian Empire) COLTON, FLEDER, MANCOLL, SHOEN, TESSLER


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Odessa #ukraine

David Donn <ddonn@...>
 

During the 19th century was Odessa part of a Gubernya or Uezd? If so what
would they have been? Odessa, ?, ?, Russia.

David Donn
from Seaside, OR
Researching:
DUNN/DONN/MIZANSKY, MISSAN (>from Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania) BUCHMAN
(Lithuania, Belarus), KUSHNER (>from Austria, Belarus, Ukraine) ASKINS,
YELLIN, KOPELSON (Russian Empire) COLTON, FLEDER, MANCOLL, SHOEN, TESSLER


common given names vs. actual or legal names #lithuania

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

The Jews of Eastern Europe has two sets of names; those they used within the Jewish community and those they used in dealing with the non-Jewish
community which included government records. Within the Jewish community
they had a shem ha-qodesh (sacred name) that was used in religious matters
such as being called to the Torah, naming at circumcision, etc. Many also
had a second name known as a kinnui which was their everyday name.

For example, in the example given by Jeffrey Entin, Hirsh-Lieb was his great grandfather's shem ha-qodesh. Among his Jewish associates he might ahs been known as Leibl and for government purposes, as Jeffery notes, his "real" name was Gershko Nachmanovich Berlyavsky, meaning Hirsh son of Nachman Berlyavsky; Gershko being a Russian variant of Hirsch. It is even possible there might be government records of him stating his given name was Gershko Lejbko.

Gary Mokotoff


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania common given names vs. actual or legal names #lithuania

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

The Jews of Eastern Europe has two sets of names; those they used within the Jewish community and those they used in dealing with the non-Jewish
community which included government records. Within the Jewish community
they had a shem ha-qodesh (sacred name) that was used in religious matters
such as being called to the Torah, naming at circumcision, etc. Many also
had a second name known as a kinnui which was their everyday name.

For example, in the example given by Jeffrey Entin, Hirsh-Lieb was his great grandfather's shem ha-qodesh. Among his Jewish associates he might ahs been known as Leibl and for government purposes, as Jeffery notes, his "real" name was Gershko Nachmanovich Berlyavsky, meaning Hirsh son of Nachman Berlyavsky; Gershko being a Russian variant of Hirsch. It is even possible there might be government records of him stating his given name was Gershko Lejbko.

Gary Mokotoff


Photo #lithuania

Jhayflick@...
 

I have a photograph showing my GGF >from the waist up which is undated. I'm
guessing that it was made 1890-1910. He was said to have been a chief rabbi in Lithuania. On the lower right hand corner is an official looking
handstamp in bluish ink. Around what appears to be the image of the imperial eagle is the cyrillic word "KOBENCKO" with the final letter poorly
decipherable but appearing to be "eh ahbahrotnahyeh", a short e. Can anyone
help shed some light on what this clue might mean if anything?

Thanks for the help.

Joel Hayflick

HAYFLICK/HAYFLICH/HOEFLICH: Philadelphia, PA; OR, NY, FL, USA; Kiyev, Ukraine
HECKLER/HECHLER/HAGLER: Philadelphia, PA; Alsace, France
GOODFRIEND: Philadelphia, PA; Budapest, Hungary
SILBER/ZILBER/SILBERT: Lithuania; PA; Beaumont, TX
ORTT/ORD: Pennsylvania; Palatinate, Germany
POLLACK: Camden, NJ; Warsaw, Poland
SPOTKOWSKY/SPTKOVSKII: Kiyev, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may want to take advantage of the Viewmate feature
on JewishGen, which enables you upload a scanned image so that other researchers can see it for themselves.


MENDEL(S)SO(H)Ns in Warszawa: Moses relatives? #warsaw #poland

Mendelssohn <mendelssohn@...>
 

Hi, Dear Warszawa Genners
Happy to join this mailing list for the first time!
I am french and my family comes >from Warszawa.My hope (maybe utopic?) is to
collect informations on all MENDEL(S)SO(H)Ns >from Warszawa in the 18th-19th
centuries (not only my own family) and to research IF some of them are
related to the famous Moses Mendelssohn's family.
According to the "Staatsbibliothek in Berlin" (Music Department with
Mendelssohn Archives) and to several books (The Unbroken Chain; Die
Mendelssohn Familie; etc..),the direct descendants of Moses Mendelssohn were
all "germans" (I mean no one in Poland!) ; but Moses' family came from
Poland to Dessau at the end of the 17th century, and Moses had a brother
named Saul (1735-1805 ?) who could have had children in Poland (some of
Saul's descendants were in "Wronki", prussian Poland) during the 19th .
Could you help me in my double research:
1) any serious information on SAUL MENDELSSOHN (1735-1805 ?where?):
marriage, children...?
2)I allready have a long list of MENDEL(S)SO(H)Ns who lived in Warszawa in
the 19th but I need more information and help to organise this "puzzle"!!!
Thanks in advance and best regards,
Florence Mendelssohn,Paris (France)

Looking for MENDELSSOHN (any spelling), SZULCMAN / SCHULTZMAN , DUTLINGER ,
KOHN , PRENTKA ;
and all families related to those names in Warszawa: ABRAMOWICZ ,DREHER
Estera , ELBOM Chindla, , FINKELSZTEIN Mindla-Kajla,KOHEN Simon and
Wilhelmina, LIBSZYK Jenta and Frymeta, PONEZEK Necha, RAPPEPORT Szlama,
TOTTENBERG Rojza ,WLODAWER Motyl.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Photo #lithuania

Jhayflick@...
 

I have a photograph showing my GGF >from the waist up which is undated. I'm
guessing that it was made 1890-1910. He was said to have been a chief rabbi in Lithuania. On the lower right hand corner is an official looking
handstamp in bluish ink. Around what appears to be the image of the imperial eagle is the cyrillic word "KOBENCKO" with the final letter poorly
decipherable but appearing to be "eh ahbahrotnahyeh", a short e. Can anyone
help shed some light on what this clue might mean if anything?

Thanks for the help.

Joel Hayflick

HAYFLICK/HAYFLICH/HOEFLICH: Philadelphia, PA; OR, NY, FL, USA; Kiyev, Ukraine
HECKLER/HECHLER/HAGLER: Philadelphia, PA; Alsace, France
GOODFRIEND: Philadelphia, PA; Budapest, Hungary
SILBER/ZILBER/SILBERT: Lithuania; PA; Beaumont, TX
ORTT/ORD: Pennsylvania; Palatinate, Germany
POLLACK: Camden, NJ; Warsaw, Poland
SPOTKOWSKY/SPTKOVSKII: Kiyev, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may want to take advantage of the Viewmate feature
on JewishGen, which enables you upload a scanned image so that other researchers can see it for themselves.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland MENDEL(S)SO(H)Ns in Warszawa: Moses relatives? #warsaw #poland

Mendelssohn <mendelssohn@...>
 

Hi, Dear Warszawa Genners
Happy to join this mailing list for the first time!
I am french and my family comes >from Warszawa.My hope (maybe utopic?) is to
collect informations on all MENDEL(S)SO(H)Ns >from Warszawa in the 18th-19th
centuries (not only my own family) and to research IF some of them are
related to the famous Moses Mendelssohn's family.
According to the "Staatsbibliothek in Berlin" (Music Department with
Mendelssohn Archives) and to several books (The Unbroken Chain; Die
Mendelssohn Familie; etc..),the direct descendants of Moses Mendelssohn were
all "germans" (I mean no one in Poland!) ; but Moses' family came from
Poland to Dessau at the end of the 17th century, and Moses had a brother
named Saul (1735-1805 ?) who could have had children in Poland (some of
Saul's descendants were in "Wronki", prussian Poland) during the 19th .
Could you help me in my double research:
1) any serious information on SAUL MENDELSSOHN (1735-1805 ?where?):
marriage, children...?
2)I allready have a long list of MENDEL(S)SO(H)Ns who lived in Warszawa in
the 19th but I need more information and help to organise this "puzzle"!!!
Thanks in advance and best regards,
Florence Mendelssohn,Paris (France)

Looking for MENDELSSOHN (any spelling), SZULCMAN / SCHULTZMAN , DUTLINGER ,
KOHN , PRENTKA ;
and all families related to those names in Warszawa: ABRAMOWICZ ,DREHER
Estera , ELBOM Chindla, , FINKELSZTEIN Mindla-Kajla,KOHEN Simon and
Wilhelmina, LIBSZYK Jenta and Frymeta, PONEZEK Necha, RAPPEPORT Szlama,
TOTTENBERG Rojza ,WLODAWER Motyl.


Re: Hamagid #lithuania

ROBERT WEISS
 

In a message dated 12/15/00 10:04:43 PM, "WILLIAM WOLPERT"
<@3040> writes:

<<I am curious about a citation in Hamagid. Does anyone know how easy it is
to search the microfilms that are available? Did the newspaper come out on
as a weekly?>>

to which the moderator responded:

<<MODERATOR'S NOTE: Information about location of and/or access to issues
of Hamagid in microform would be of general interest to this list, so in
addition to responding to Bill, please respond to the Digest. >>


HaMagid was a weekly newspaper published >from 1856 to 1903. Neil Rosenstein
sells a CD called "HaMagid" which has images (Hebrew) of obituaries, wills,
death notices and other records >from the complete run of the newspaper. It
also has an index in English.

Bob Weiss in Northridge, CA
RWeissJGS@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Hamagid #lithuania

ROBERT WEISS
 

In a message dated 12/15/00 10:04:43 PM, "WILLIAM WOLPERT"
<@3040> writes:

<<I am curious about a citation in Hamagid. Does anyone know how easy it is
to search the microfilms that are available? Did the newspaper come out on
as a weekly?>>

to which the moderator responded:

<<MODERATOR'S NOTE: Information about location of and/or access to issues
of Hamagid in microform would be of general interest to this list, so in
addition to responding to Bill, please respond to the Digest. >>


HaMagid was a weekly newspaper published >from 1856 to 1903. Neil Rosenstein
sells a CD called "HaMagid" which has images (Hebrew) of obituaries, wills,
death notices and other records >from the complete run of the newspaper. It
also has an index in English.

Bob Weiss in Northridge, CA
RWeissJGS@...


Prague #general

Susan Lieberman <viukerville@...>
 

I have the 1938 Prague (CZ) and suburbs telephone directory. Addresses and
in some cases occupations of subscribers are listed.

Would be happy to do a lookup if anyone needs such information.

Thomas Reiner
New York / Manhattan and Univ. of Pennsylvania
viukerville@...


Searching:Chalke or Chaike WEIDE nee Wacholder, Koskowola to USA #general

CRudaNYC@...
 

In their post-WW11 records, the International Tracing Service in Arolsen,
Germany, had a reference to Chalke Wacholder WEIDE, issued 12 April 1948,
unknown address in the USA. I have been told that the name Chalke is not
a known name and might possibly have been mis-read >from a typewritten
rendering of Chaike.

Does anyone know this particular person who would have come >from around
Konskowola, Poland.

Can anyone help with the given name of Chalke or Chaike and suggest what
name she might have taken when she got to the US. I have tried "Ida" at
the suggestion of an Israeli researcher.

I have searched the Jewish Family Finder, Jewish Gen Archives, Port of NY
passenger arrivals, NYC naturalizations, [no reason to think she was or
was not in NY], and SSDI.

Caroline Ruda
New York City, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Prague #general

Susan Lieberman <viukerville@...>
 

I have the 1938 Prague (CZ) and suburbs telephone directory. Addresses and
in some cases occupations of subscribers are listed.

Would be happy to do a lookup if anyone needs such information.

Thomas Reiner
New York / Manhattan and Univ. of Pennsylvania
viukerville@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching:Chalke or Chaike WEIDE nee Wacholder, Koskowola to USA #general

CRudaNYC@...
 

In their post-WW11 records, the International Tracing Service in Arolsen,
Germany, had a reference to Chalke Wacholder WEIDE, issued 12 April 1948,
unknown address in the USA. I have been told that the name Chalke is not
a known name and might possibly have been mis-read >from a typewritten
rendering of Chaike.

Does anyone know this particular person who would have come >from around
Konskowola, Poland.

Can anyone help with the given name of Chalke or Chaike and suggest what
name she might have taken when she got to the US. I have tried "Ida" at
the suggestion of an Israeli researcher.

I have searched the Jewish Family Finder, Jewish Gen Archives, Port of NY
passenger arrivals, NYC naturalizations, [no reason to think she was or
was not in NY], and SSDI.

Caroline Ruda
New York City, USA


Re: watercarriers #belarus

Steven J. Rosen
 

I have the section on watercarriers that Milt Botwinick mentioned >from the
Isaacson mansucript on Radoshkovich, and will provide it to anybody who gives
a fax number. --Steve Rosen, Rosen20817@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: watercarriers #belarus

Steven J. Rosen
 

I have the section on watercarriers that Milt Botwinick mentioned >from the
Isaacson mansucript on Radoshkovich, and will provide it to anybody who gives
a fax number. --Steve Rosen, Rosen20817@...


TROTSKY request for information #belarus

Phrases1@...
 

TROTSKY Berko ben Vulf, age 30
TROTSKY Khasia bat Berko V' Malka, age 8
TROTSKY Malka bat Meer, age 31
appear in the 1858 Lida census for the town of Voronovo.
That was Vilna guberniya, Lithuania, now Grodno Oblast,
Belarus, an area contiguous to Slonim.
More information about Lida uezd can be found at
http://members.nbci.com/newhoir/lida-site/lida-dist.htm
Hope the information is useful to Udi.
Ellen Sadove Renck
Coordinator, Lida District Researchers

In a message dated 12/16/2000 12:57:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
belarus@... writes:

<< From: "Udi Cain" <chaikin@...>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:05:58 +0200
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear all.

My G'G'G'grandmother, Sarah (nee ?), got married to Sinai Trotsky, in the
1820s'/30s' (my G'G'grandmother, Miriam Batia Trotsky-Zalaznik, their
daughter, had her first son in 1856). Sarah was a descendant of Yom Tov
Lipman Halevi Heller, who died in 1654.
Both Sarah and Sinai, were perhaps >from Slonim. Did any one met that name in
Slonim? Another possibility is Berdichev or Zhitomir, in the Ukraine.

Regards >from Jerusalem. Udi Cain.

>>


Belarus SIG #Belarus TROTSKY request for information #belarus

Phrases1@...
 

TROTSKY Berko ben Vulf, age 30
TROTSKY Khasia bat Berko V' Malka, age 8
TROTSKY Malka bat Meer, age 31
appear in the 1858 Lida census for the town of Voronovo.
That was Vilna guberniya, Lithuania, now Grodno Oblast,
Belarus, an area contiguous to Slonim.
More information about Lida uezd can be found at
http://members.nbci.com/newhoir/lida-site/lida-dist.htm
Hope the information is useful to Udi.
Ellen Sadove Renck
Coordinator, Lida District Researchers

In a message dated 12/16/2000 12:57:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
belarus@... writes:

<< From: "Udi Cain" <chaikin@...>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:05:58 +0200
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear all.

My G'G'G'grandmother, Sarah (nee ?), got married to Sinai Trotsky, in the
1820s'/30s' (my G'G'grandmother, Miriam Batia Trotsky-Zalaznik, their
daughter, had her first son in 1856). Sarah was a descendant of Yom Tov
Lipman Halevi Heller, who died in 1654.
Both Sarah and Sinai, were perhaps >from Slonim. Did any one met that name in
Slonim? Another possibility is Berdichev or Zhitomir, in the Ukraine.

Regards >from Jerusalem. Udi Cain.

>>