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meaning of O.D.R.R. on a 1880 Kovno photograph ? #general

Nicole Berline <nberline@...>
 

I have a picture ( >from studio " Strauss & Sourevitsch" in Kovno)
dating around 1880 with my ggfather Salomon BERLIN and 3 other young men
on it ( possibly his brothers).
The youngest boy is holding something which looks like a register or
an album with the letters O.D.R.R on it.
Would anyone know what these letters stand for ?
many thanks in advance

Nicole BERLINE
searching ROTENSZTEJN ROCHMAN RAKOWER Warsawa
OGUS ARONOWICH Paberze, Kaunas TREIVAS Lituania
LEIBOVICH St Petersburg BERLIN ISAAC Derechin Slonim (Belarus)
Chaike- Helen association #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Caroline Ruda asked "Can anyone help with the given name of Chalke or
Chaike and suggest what name she might have taken when she got to the US.
I have tried "Ida" at the suggestion of an Israeli researcher."

An uncle recently mentioned Helen GOLOMB's given name was Chaike. I am
tracing my relation to this daughter of Zelig GOLOMBIEWSKY, and perhaps
some kind Genner could shed light on the Chaike - Helen association - may
be it was an usual opted name.


Carlos GLIKSON - Buenos Aires, Argentina - e-Mail cglikson@... -
Searching for


GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN (Suwalki, Marijampole, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin) - ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ (Kremenchug, Vilno) -
POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY (Suwalki, Seirijai) - HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER (Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza) - TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL
(Kremenchug, Kharkov) - FELCHINSKY (Kremenchug, Vilno) - KARP
Grodno) - GOLUMBIEWSKY, GOLOMB (?) - KRASNAPOLSKY (?)
Searching:Chalke or Chaike WEIDE nee Wacholder, Koskowola to USA #general

Udi Cain
 

Dear Caroline Ruda

First, you are looking for Chaika/ Cheika/Heika which derives >from Chaia
(Hebrew for alive female/animal).
Second, there are only two branches of Wacholders' in Israel, so I got in
touch with one, sent him your note, his father is in Germany now but if I'll
receive an answer You'll be first to know.
Third, there are many Weides' in Israel.

Regards, Udi Cain.
US Passports in 1896? #general

Win Segal <winks@...>
 

Grandma, Pepi RENNERT, was born in NY in 1893, but three years later(1996),
her mother, Keile RENNERT traveled to Europe to deliver her second child,
as she said that she didn't like the NYC doctors. Would she have had a
passport? If so, how could I access it? This might be able to give me the
town in Austria that they were from. Thanks,

Win Segal
Surname puzzle #general

David Joseph Colman <dybk@...>
 

In the early 1800's, my family took on the surname SZMETERLING. This
name was in use by all members of the family until the death of the
patriarch, Kalman. After that time, his wife, children, and
grandchildren recorded all vital events under the name KALMANOWICZ.

There was one exception, however, which I cannot understand. One of
Kalman's sons had his surname at birth and marriage listed as SZMERLING.

The thought occured to me that, once a mistake was made on the birth
registration, his "legal" but errant name had to be used. This doesn't
wash, however, since everybody was able to use an entirely different
surname after the death of Kalman. As well, I have other examples in my
family of surname changes. Surely it would be easier to correct an
error than to adopt an entirely new surname.

Any thoughts?

David Colman
Toronto, Canada
Re: Death and Cemetery Brickwall in London? UK #general

ian singer <iansinger@...>
 

JPLowens@... wrote:

Is anyone familiar with a cemetery called Goldner's Green and might there
be a register of burials there?
I think the spelling is Golders Green and thats a Jewish section of
London
--

See my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~iansinger
Brides' Index - Pittsburgh #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Does anyone know if there is a brides' index for Allegheny County
(Pennsylvania) as there is in Philadelphia? If so, how accessible is it
and what period does it cover. (My interest is 1895-1910.)

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz
Re: Searching:Chalke or Chaike WEIDE nee Wacholder, Koskowola #general

George Farkas <george@...>
 

Chaike is generally a nickname for "Chaya".

George Farkas

Can anyone help with the given name of Chalke or Chaike and suggest what
name she might have taken when she got to the US. I have tried "Ida" at
the suggestion of an Israeli researcher.
Re: Enfield Cemetery burial listings online #general

ian singer <iansinger@...>
 

Phrases1@... wrote:
http://www.jgsgb.ort.org/bury02al.htm: burials A-L [December 2000]
http://www.jgsgb.ort.org/bury02mz.htm burials M-Z [December 2000]
are the sites of the Enfield Cemetery burial listings.
Thanks, shows some of my relatives I did not have locations for. Do you
know if that is for all of the Enfield Cemetery, or just the one burial
society there.

Ian Singer
--

See my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~iansinger
I am in Toronto Canada
Re: Searching: ancestors from Przemysl, Kornalowice, Kozienice #general

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated Sat, 09 Dec 2000 <johnwald2@...> writes:

Hi:
I am looking for information about my ancestors :

1) WALD,MOSES,DRUCKER >from Przemysl
2) FISCHER,GRAD,BAUM >from Kornalowice(Drohobycz-Sambor)
3) GOLDMANN,SPIEGEL >from Kozienice

Thank you
John WALD Brussels Belgium

I am pleased to respond to John Wald regarding the records for all
three towns he mentioned.

If you are looking for your Przemysl *ancestors,* you will want to
research the Jewish vital records of that town. Therefore, John's
message is an opportunity to announce that Roberta Jainchill,
<rivkalcj@...> has recently agreed to become the Archive
Coordinator for the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland project to
index the vital records in the Przemysl Archives.

Jewish vital records in the Przemysl Branch of the Polish State
Archives include the following 19th century birth, marriage, and
death records:

Town Births Marriages Deaths
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jaroslaw 196 131 38
Oleszyce 2040 101 1508
Przemysl 6104 1244 17864
Radymno 73 39

There are no Mormon microfilms of Jewish vital records for these
towns. Therefore, the indexing work will be carried out by staff at
the Przemysl archives working directly for JRI-Poland.

Roberta will shortly be posting a fuller description of the project. In the
meantime, for more information go to the Polish State Archives project
page on the JRI-Poland web site < http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/>.

John also asked about Kornalowice (Drohobycz-Sambor), and Kozienice.

The following vital records for the former Galician town of Drohobycz
(now Drogobych, Ukraine) are available at the AGAD Archives and will
be indexed by JRI-Poland:

Births: 1877-1897
Marriages: 1877-1881, 1884, 1886-1891, 1893-1897
Deaths: 1852-1896

Records for Sambor (now Sambor, Ukraine) are also available
at the AGAD Archives (Warsaw) and will be indexed by JRI-Poland:

Births: 1862-1883, 1885-1897
Marriages: 1877-1897
Deaths: 1868-1883, 1887-1894

JRI-Poland has not yet asked for volunteer Town Leaders to head up
the projects for Drohobycz and Sambor. Work must first be completed
on the Tarnopol region project (the first group of towns to be indexed
in the AGAD archives) before new projects can be started.

As for the records of Kozienice, many of these were filmed by the
Mormons (>from 1826 to 1877). JRI-Poland needs a volunteer
Shtetl CO-OP Leader for the Kozienice project. Details of the
"Shtetl CO-OP" initiative are available at the JRI-Poland web site.

To stay up to date on the work of JRI-Poland Shtetl CO-OPs (indexing
the records in the Mormon microfilms), the indexing of records in
Poland (not filmed by the Mormons), including the huge collection of
Galician records in the AGAD branch of the Polish State Archives,
subscribe to the JRI-Poland mailing list. You can do that online at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/join.htm

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
Re: Samuel SILVER, born en route to Australia #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

The procedures for BMDs on British registered ships are well known
(whether they were always followed is a different question :-)
They vary with date, with type of ship (merchant or Royal Navy),
status of person (passenger, crew, military), and residence of person
(England, Scotland, Ireland)

Samuel Silver (civilian) was born on a (merchant) ship around 1872.
His birth should have been recorded in the ships log. Children were
often not named so it would be helpful to know his father's name and
his mother's unmarried name as these were often listed.
When the ship returned to it's home port (on the Australian run, that
could be a year later), the log entry of the birth was reported to the
Registrar of Shipping. These entries were collected in a handwritten
register. These have been photocopied (1854 - 1890) and are available
through LDS as four films 1419469 - 1419472. These are not user-friendly.
They are sometimes illegible and the indexes (!) are only alphabeticl
by the first letter (i.e. all M surnames are together). They do however
make fascinating browsing. These are the Board of Trade registers.

At the end of each year, the entries were passed to the General
Registry Office who prepared a series of Births and a series of Deaths
at sea. These were split by residence (Eng., Sco., Ire). These are
available >from 1837 - 2000? on microfiche. For 1854-1890 they should
contain the same names as the Board of Trade registers (they don't!).
These are indexes and do not have the extra information in the BoT
registers.

So the first place to look is the Board of Trade films (our LDS has
those); next the GRO Births at Sea (England) series, and if both those
fail, there is a problem. Perhaps the family story was legend or perhaps
the birth was registered were it shouldn't have been, or perhaps it
never got registered at all?
Births and deaths on the Australia run were common and the ships were
familiar with the procedures.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen meaning of O.D.R.R. on a 1880 Kovno photograph ? #general

Nicole Berline <nberline@...>
 

I have a picture ( >from studio " Strauss & Sourevitsch" in Kovno)
dating around 1880 with my ggfather Salomon BERLIN and 3 other young men
on it ( possibly his brothers).
The youngest boy is holding something which looks like a register or
an album with the letters O.D.R.R on it.
Would anyone know what these letters stand for ?
many thanks in advance

Nicole BERLINE
searching ROTENSZTEJN ROCHMAN RAKOWER Warsawa
OGUS ARONOWICH Paberze, Kaunas TREIVAS Lituania
LEIBOVICH St Petersburg BERLIN ISAAC Derechin Slonim (Belarus)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chaike- Helen association #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Caroline Ruda asked "Can anyone help with the given name of Chalke or
Chaike and suggest what name she might have taken when she got to the US.
I have tried "Ida" at the suggestion of an Israeli researcher."

An uncle recently mentioned Helen GOLOMB's given name was Chaike. I am
tracing my relation to this daughter of Zelig GOLOMBIEWSKY, and perhaps
some kind Genner could shed light on the Chaike - Helen association - may
be it was an usual opted name.


Carlos GLIKSON - Buenos Aires, Argentina - e-Mail cglikson@... -
Searching for


GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN (Suwalki, Marijampole, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin) - ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ (Kremenchug, Vilno) -
POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY (Suwalki, Seirijai) - HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER (Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza) - TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL
(Kremenchug, Kharkov) - FELCHINSKY (Kremenchug, Vilno) - KARP
Grodno) - GOLUMBIEWSKY, GOLOMB (?) - KRASNAPOLSKY (?)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching:Chalke or Chaike WEIDE nee Wacholder, Koskowola to USA #general

Udi Cain
 

Dear Caroline Ruda

First, you are looking for Chaika/ Cheika/Heika which derives >from Chaia
(Hebrew for alive female/animal).
Second, there are only two branches of Wacholders' in Israel, so I got in
touch with one, sent him your note, his father is in Germany now but if I'll
receive an answer You'll be first to know.
Third, there are many Weides' in Israel.

Regards, Udi Cain.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen US Passports in 1896? #general

Win Segal <winks@...>
 

Grandma, Pepi RENNERT, was born in NY in 1893, but three years later(1996),
her mother, Keile RENNERT traveled to Europe to deliver her second child,
as she said that she didn't like the NYC doctors. Would she have had a
passport? If so, how could I access it? This might be able to give me the
town in Austria that they were from. Thanks,

Win Segal
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surname puzzle #general

David Joseph Colman <dybk@...>
 

In the early 1800's, my family took on the surname SZMETERLING. This
name was in use by all members of the family until the death of the
patriarch, Kalman. After that time, his wife, children, and
grandchildren recorded all vital events under the name KALMANOWICZ.

There was one exception, however, which I cannot understand. One of
Kalman's sons had his surname at birth and marriage listed as SZMERLING.

The thought occured to me that, once a mistake was made on the birth
registration, his "legal" but errant name had to be used. This doesn't
wash, however, since everybody was able to use an entirely different
surname after the death of Kalman. As well, I have other examples in my
family of surname changes. Surely it would be easier to correct an
error than to adopt an entirely new surname.

Any thoughts?

David Colman
Toronto, Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death and Cemetery Brickwall in London? UK #general

ian singer <iansinger@...>
 

JPLowens@... wrote:

Is anyone familiar with a cemetery called Goldner's Green and might there
be a register of burials there?
I think the spelling is Golders Green and thats a Jewish section of
London
--

See my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~iansinger
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brides' Index - Pittsburgh #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Does anyone know if there is a brides' index for Allegheny County
(Pennsylvania) as there is in Philadelphia? If so, how accessible is it
and what period does it cover. (My interest is 1895-1910.)

Thank you.

Israel Pickholtz
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching:Chalke or Chaike WEIDE nee Wacholder, Koskowola #general

George Farkas <george@...>
 

Chaike is generally a nickname for "Chaya".

George Farkas

Can anyone help with the given name of Chalke or Chaike and suggest what
name she might have taken when she got to the US. I have tried "Ida" at
the suggestion of an Israeli researcher.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Enfield Cemetery burial listings online #general

ian singer <iansinger@...>
 

Phrases1@... wrote:
http://www.jgsgb.ort.org/bury02al.htm: burials A-L [December 2000]
http://www.jgsgb.ort.org/bury02mz.htm burials M-Z [December 2000]
are the sites of the Enfield Cemetery burial listings.
Thanks, shows some of my relatives I did not have locations for. Do you
know if that is for all of the Enfield Cemetery, or just the one burial
society there.

Ian Singer
--

See my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~iansinger
I am in Toronto Canada
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