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Patronymic forms; Geselev #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

Is the "-EV" ending the same thing as the "-OV" ending in a patronymic? Is
someone named "Leib Geselev Shapiro" "Leib Shapiro, the son of Gesel"? Do
some names always take the "-EV" patronymic ending and others always the
"-OV" ending?

I do have some names with the "Geselev" patronymic. Is "Gesel" the same
name as "Heschel", with the difference coming >from the substitution of "G"
for "H" in Russian?

Thanks for any help.

Steve Gold
Detroit area
ADLER CHERNOV COHEN FELD GIEP GOLD KURTZMAN LEVANT LIWENTOW OFFENBERG
STARK WECKER
Land purchase in Palestine #general

msearl@...
 

I believe that my great-grandfather, a Boston resident who died in the
1930s, purchased some land in then-Palestine, perhaps as part of an
organization that was trying to increase the amount of land owned by
Jews in that area. Does anyone know anything more about this type of
program? My great-grandfather's name was A.R. (Abe) Hyde.

Marjorie Searl
msearl@...
Re: Brethren of the Ancient Order of Maccabeans #general

Patty Tyler <patty@...>
 

Try here:
http://www2.hmc.gov.uk/nra/browser/corporate/page/corporateOR.htm

Patty

"dereksue" <dereksue@...> wrote:

Can the group help, please ?
I am researching the KAPATOVSKY family, one of whose members, Samuel
KAPATOVSKY (Hebrew name Shmuel Baruch, also known as Sam Kay), died in
Manchester in 1919.

Part of the inscription on his grave reads:
"also mourned by the Brethren of the Ancient Order of Maccabeans, Mount
Horeb Beacon No 9".

My questions:
Where can I find information about this organisation ?
If they kept records, where are they ?
What was special about Mount Horeb Beacon No.9 ?
Does anyone have any knowledge about Sam ?
The name "Shuer" (?) Ber #general

Roitstein D. - Herskovits S. <rohe@...>
 

My granfather used to tell me that his father´s name was "Shuer Ber".
Now: The second one is clear, Ber, (Bear in english). But I can´t
understand what he meant whith the second one. I remembered the sound
exactly like I´ve just writen it ("Shuer", the "E" very weak) but may be
also "Shuel" (Shaul??), or "Shur" (without E)?
I´d appreciate any help.

Daniela Roitstein
rohe@...
Argentina

Searching for: OSTROWER (Berezhany in Poland, now Ukraine) and ROTSTEIN
(Sculeni in Romania).
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Patronymic forms; Geselev #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

Is the "-EV" ending the same thing as the "-OV" ending in a patronymic? Is
someone named "Leib Geselev Shapiro" "Leib Shapiro, the son of Gesel"? Do
some names always take the "-EV" patronymic ending and others always the
"-OV" ending?

I do have some names with the "Geselev" patronymic. Is "Gesel" the same
name as "Heschel", with the difference coming >from the substitution of "G"
for "H" in Russian?

Thanks for any help.

Steve Gold
Detroit area
ADLER CHERNOV COHEN FELD GIEP GOLD KURTZMAN LEVANT LIWENTOW OFFENBERG
STARK WECKER
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Land purchase in Palestine #general

msearl@...
 

I believe that my great-grandfather, a Boston resident who died in the
1930s, purchased some land in then-Palestine, perhaps as part of an
organization that was trying to increase the amount of land owned by
Jews in that area. Does anyone know anything more about this type of
program? My great-grandfather's name was A.R. (Abe) Hyde.

Marjorie Searl
msearl@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Brethren of the Ancient Order of Maccabeans #general

Patty Tyler <patty@...>
 

Try here:
http://www2.hmc.gov.uk/nra/browser/corporate/page/corporateOR.htm

Patty

"dereksue" <dereksue@...> wrote:

Can the group help, please ?
I am researching the KAPATOVSKY family, one of whose members, Samuel
KAPATOVSKY (Hebrew name Shmuel Baruch, also known as Sam Kay), died in
Manchester in 1919.

Part of the inscription on his grave reads:
"also mourned by the Brethren of the Ancient Order of Maccabeans, Mount
Horeb Beacon No 9".

My questions:
Where can I find information about this organisation ?
If they kept records, where are they ?
What was special about Mount Horeb Beacon No.9 ?
Does anyone have any knowledge about Sam ?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The name "Shuer" (?) Ber #general

Roitstein D. - Herskovits S. <rohe@...>
 

My granfather used to tell me that his father´s name was "Shuer Ber".
Now: The second one is clear, Ber, (Bear in english). But I can´t
understand what he meant whith the second one. I remembered the sound
exactly like I´ve just writen it ("Shuer", the "E" very weak) but may be
also "Shuel" (Shaul??), or "Shur" (without E)?
I´d appreciate any help.

Daniela Roitstein
rohe@...
Argentina

Searching for: OSTROWER (Berezhany in Poland, now Ukraine) and ROTSTEIN
(Sculeni in Romania).
A sense of disappointment -- Re: Map of Dokshitz, Belarus #general

snillop@...
 

I was recently greatly excited to view, on the Internet, a sketch map of
the shtetl where my maternal family came from. My interest was
especially aroused when I saw that it identified a number of buildings,
mostly public institutions - schools, synagogues and the like - but also
a few private ones. One of the latter was a flour mill. My mother's
family owned or operated a flour mill in that place. One of my
grandmother's six siblings - a brother -remained behind to operate it
while the others all emigrated to England and the USA Only one of his
family survived the Holocaust. Since I have hardly any information about
any ancestors before that generation any scrap is of value and here was
something tangible, even if only a reference on a sketch map.

A difficulty I had was in deciding which of the buildings was the one I
wanted. The 26 buildings were numbered and the flour mill was 24.
Unfortunately two numbers - 21 and 24 - looked very similar and I could
not decide which was which.

I therefore sent a message to Belarus SIG asking for help. This is the
appropriate SIG for my shtetl and I am a member of it. I got three
responses. One was an automated message saying the recipient was ill.
The other two did not answer my question but instead asked me a question
each. One stated that their family had a flour mill in Belarus and where
was my shtetl? The third stated that part of his family was >from the
same shtetl and asked for the names of those I was seeking. I know that
the answers to their questions were available in the Jewishgen website
but I allowed for the fact that they might be newcomers and might not
know where to look When I started with Jewishgen I asked all sorts of
silly questions and was directed to the appropriate website. So I
answered their questions and asked if they had deciphered the map.

One answered immediately, thanked me for my reply and said 'Yes' which I
took to mean that he had looked at the map (but did not answer my
original question about the location of the flour mill.) So I sent the
same original question to the Jewishgen List. To date there has been
complete silence.I thought that perhaps the intervention of Hanukah
might have been the reason for the silence but I notice no major drop in
the messages sent to Jewishgen.

I must say I am very disappointed. I'm always reading about the
'wunnerful Jewishgenners' who travel, it seems, great distances to look
up stuff for strangers. I have been to libraries to do the same (not
long distances, being too old for that, but locally where we have good
libraries). However, I was not asking for anything burdensome, just for
someone to remain at their desk with their computer, click their mouse a
couple of times and peer at something.

If anyone feels like doing that the sketch map is of Dokshitz and is
found in the Dokshitz Yikzkor book extracts at

www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/dokshitsy (the spelling of its name varies)

and the question is: where is no. 24, the flour mill? Is it just north
of the word 'shops' or in a cul-de-sac just north of the 'G' in Globoka
Street.

I should be very glad indeed for any help.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
Re: A Jewish boy in the Czar's Army #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

The local "healer" [snip] had
him sit next to an anthill and placed the suppurated leg into the middle
of the anthill. The ants ate all the bad flesh and left behind uric acid--
I think it's uric acid--which promoted healing.
Marcia Kamien
Marcia, what a marvellous story about the ants disinfecting your
grandfather's leg!

However, the acid in question is not uric acid, it's formic acid.
"Formis" is latin for ant -- and there's also a famous fable of La
Fontaine about the grasshopper and the ant, called "La cigale et la
fourmi," which we had to learn by heart for French class in high school way
back when -- which is why I know it's formic acid! (Unfortunately nobody
makes schoolkids learn anything by heart nowadays, more's the pity; if
they did, everyone would have a great deal more useful general knowledge
than they do! )

Judith Romney Wegner
Medicine man/woman #general

Lili Susser <susserl@...>
 

Army doctors wanted to cut off the bad leg but he protested vehemently
and, upon being told he would die otherwise, said well then, he would
die. So he was sent home. The local "healer" (does anyone know who that
might have been? a midwife? a rebbe? and does anyone know what this
medicine man/woman was called?) >>

There were medics who were called in Polish "felczer". They were not
doctors but had the same skills and were allowed to perform as such.
Lili Susser
Re: The Name Minka #general

M. Ronn
 

Minka (or rather Minke) is apparently diminutive form of the Yiddish
woman's name Mina (or rather Mine), yet it became very often a name in
itself -- meaning that Minke was even given to girls as their proper name.

Michoel Ronn
Brooklyn, NY
netronn@...
Rabbi KASTNER in the Dorohoi region, Romania #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

I have received information that there was a
KASTNER who was the Grand Rabbi in Dorohoi,
Romania or surrounding region, before 1907.

He was married to Clara Papilnik.
It is known that there were at least 2 daughters
from this marriage, one of them was Malia, who
came to the USA in approximately 1906, the other
lived in Brooklyn.

If this is familiar to anyone, I would really appreciate
hearing >from you.

Many thanks,
Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
J. RAFFE in Chicago, 1904 #general

Ljwin1@...
 

When my Grandfather came to the Chicago >from Kobrin, Poland/Russia in
1904, his papers list that he was joining his brother-in-law. That
brother-in-law was J. Raffe, living at 461 S. Desplanes St. in Chicago.
I think it must be his sister's husband, since his wife's name was Anna
Levy (and her brother's last name would have been Levy, too). We have no
information about my grandfather's siblings, or any other relations!

Please reply if you have any information about J. Raffe. Thank you!!!
Annette Newman
Los Angeles, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A sense of disappointment -- Re: Map of Dokshitz, Belarus #general

snillop@...
 

I was recently greatly excited to view, on the Internet, a sketch map of
the shtetl where my maternal family came from. My interest was
especially aroused when I saw that it identified a number of buildings,
mostly public institutions - schools, synagogues and the like - but also
a few private ones. One of the latter was a flour mill. My mother's
family owned or operated a flour mill in that place. One of my
grandmother's six siblings - a brother -remained behind to operate it
while the others all emigrated to England and the USA Only one of his
family survived the Holocaust. Since I have hardly any information about
any ancestors before that generation any scrap is of value and here was
something tangible, even if only a reference on a sketch map.

A difficulty I had was in deciding which of the buildings was the one I
wanted. The 26 buildings were numbered and the flour mill was 24.
Unfortunately two numbers - 21 and 24 - looked very similar and I could
not decide which was which.

I therefore sent a message to Belarus SIG asking for help. This is the
appropriate SIG for my shtetl and I am a member of it. I got three
responses. One was an automated message saying the recipient was ill.
The other two did not answer my question but instead asked me a question
each. One stated that their family had a flour mill in Belarus and where
was my shtetl? The third stated that part of his family was >from the
same shtetl and asked for the names of those I was seeking. I know that
the answers to their questions were available in the Jewishgen website
but I allowed for the fact that they might be newcomers and might not
know where to look When I started with Jewishgen I asked all sorts of
silly questions and was directed to the appropriate website. So I
answered their questions and asked if they had deciphered the map.

One answered immediately, thanked me for my reply and said 'Yes' which I
took to mean that he had looked at the map (but did not answer my
original question about the location of the flour mill.) So I sent the
same original question to the Jewishgen List. To date there has been
complete silence.I thought that perhaps the intervention of Hanukah
might have been the reason for the silence but I notice no major drop in
the messages sent to Jewishgen.

I must say I am very disappointed. I'm always reading about the
'wunnerful Jewishgenners' who travel, it seems, great distances to look
up stuff for strangers. I have been to libraries to do the same (not
long distances, being too old for that, but locally where we have good
libraries). However, I was not asking for anything burdensome, just for
someone to remain at their desk with their computer, click their mouse a
couple of times and peer at something.

If anyone feels like doing that the sketch map is of Dokshitz and is
found in the Dokshitz Yikzkor book extracts at

www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/dokshitsy (the spelling of its name varies)

and the question is: where is no. 24, the flour mill? Is it just north
of the word 'shops' or in a cul-de-sac just north of the 'G' in Globoka
Street.

I should be very glad indeed for any help.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Jewish boy in the Czar's Army #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

The local "healer" [snip] had
him sit next to an anthill and placed the suppurated leg into the middle
of the anthill. The ants ate all the bad flesh and left behind uric acid--
I think it's uric acid--which promoted healing.
Marcia Kamien
Marcia, what a marvellous story about the ants disinfecting your
grandfather's leg!

However, the acid in question is not uric acid, it's formic acid.
"Formis" is latin for ant -- and there's also a famous fable of La
Fontaine about the grasshopper and the ant, called "La cigale et la
fourmi," which we had to learn by heart for French class in high school way
back when -- which is why I know it's formic acid! (Unfortunately nobody
makes schoolkids learn anything by heart nowadays, more's the pity; if
they did, everyone would have a great deal more useful general knowledge
than they do! )

Judith Romney Wegner
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Medicine man/woman #general

Lili Susser <susserl@...>
 

Army doctors wanted to cut off the bad leg but he protested vehemently
and, upon being told he would die otherwise, said well then, he would
die. So he was sent home. The local "healer" (does anyone know who that
might have been? a midwife? a rebbe? and does anyone know what this
medicine man/woman was called?) >>

There were medics who were called in Polish "felczer". They were not
doctors but had the same skills and were allowed to perform as such.
Lili Susser
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Name Minka #general

M. Ronn
 

Minka (or rather Minke) is apparently diminutive form of the Yiddish
woman's name Mina (or rather Mine), yet it became very often a name in
itself -- meaning that Minke was even given to girls as their proper name.

Michoel Ronn
Brooklyn, NY
netronn@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi KASTNER in the Dorohoi region, Romania #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

I have received information that there was a
KASTNER who was the Grand Rabbi in Dorohoi,
Romania or surrounding region, before 1907.

He was married to Clara Papilnik.
It is known that there were at least 2 daughters
from this marriage, one of them was Malia, who
came to the USA in approximately 1906, the other
lived in Brooklyn.

If this is familiar to anyone, I would really appreciate
hearing >from you.

Many thanks,
Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen J. RAFFE in Chicago, 1904 #general

Ljwin1@...
 

When my Grandfather came to the Chicago >from Kobrin, Poland/Russia in
1904, his papers list that he was joining his brother-in-law. That
brother-in-law was J. Raffe, living at 461 S. Desplanes St. in Chicago.
I think it must be his sister's husband, since his wife's name was Anna
Levy (and her brother's last name would have been Levy, too). We have no
information about my grandfather's siblings, or any other relations!

Please reply if you have any information about J. Raffe. Thank you!!!
Annette Newman
Los Angeles, CA
558761 - 558780 of 670674