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Gesher Galica Membership #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

I just received my yearly membership form for Gesher Galicia. I remember
from our recent group discussion of the pros/cons of a printed vs. online
newsletter, that several people mentioned they have never seen the
newsletter.

I thought that this may be an opportune time for some on this discussion
group to check out the 2001 'Gesher Galicia Family Finder' and 'Galitzianer'
Newsletter. Membership is only $20 a year w/in the U.S./Canada and $27
outside the U.S./Canada.
Personally, I always enjoy receiving this material, and thought non-members
on the list may want to get the full Galician experience. (grin)
Debbie Raff;-)
California


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Gesher Galica Membership #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

I just received my yearly membership form for Gesher Galicia. I remember
from our recent group discussion of the pros/cons of a printed vs. online
newsletter, that several people mentioned they have never seen the
newsletter.

I thought that this may be an opportune time for some on this discussion
group to check out the 2001 'Gesher Galicia Family Finder' and 'Galitzianer'
Newsletter. Membership is only $20 a year w/in the U.S./Canada and $27
outside the U.S./Canada.
Personally, I always enjoy receiving this material, and thought non-members
on the list may want to get the full Galician experience. (grin)
Debbie Raff;-)
California


Re: S.S. Koeln 1899 #general

barrychernick@...
 

Dan wrote,
"I'm trying to find an ancestor who supposedly sailed >from Bremen to
Baltimore on the Koeln on July 2, 1899. When looking at the passenger
lists for this time period, I did not see any listing for the Koeln.
Is there a way to find out when and where this ship sailed around this
time? (The Morton Allen directory doesn't list the Koeln until 1901)."

The NARA (National Archives) has an index of Baltimore arrivals, if my
memory serves me, cover the dates you are interested in. If you can find
your relative in the index you can request a copy of the passenger list
from the NARA.
Are you sure that your relative arrived in 1899? I seem to have spent
years chasing arrivals that were one or more years in error. My ancestors
had the ships correct but not the year.
Barry Chernick
CHERNICK, CHERNIK, CZERNIK - StaroKonstantinov, Krasilov, Volocisk
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolhinov, Minsk, Bialystok
KARP, CARPE ? Minsk, Bialystok

MODERATOR NOTE: Yes, there are indexes to the Baltimore arrivals.
See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/PassLists/Baltimore.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: S.S. Koeln 1899 #general

barrychernick@...
 

Dan wrote,
"I'm trying to find an ancestor who supposedly sailed >from Bremen to
Baltimore on the Koeln on July 2, 1899. When looking at the passenger
lists for this time period, I did not see any listing for the Koeln.
Is there a way to find out when and where this ship sailed around this
time? (The Morton Allen directory doesn't list the Koeln until 1901)."

The NARA (National Archives) has an index of Baltimore arrivals, if my
memory serves me, cover the dates you are interested in. If you can find
your relative in the index you can request a copy of the passenger list
from the NARA.
Are you sure that your relative arrived in 1899? I seem to have spent
years chasing arrivals that were one or more years in error. My ancestors
had the ships correct but not the year.
Barry Chernick
CHERNICK, CHERNIK, CZERNIK - StaroKonstantinov, Krasilov, Volocisk
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolhinov, Minsk, Bialystok
KARP, CARPE ? Minsk, Bialystok

MODERATOR NOTE: Yes, there are indexes to the Baltimore arrivals.
See http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/PassLists/Baltimore.html


The town of "Shalat" Austria #general

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I just received the 1919 NYC marriage certificate of my grandparents in
which my grandfather, Samuel Greenhaut, lists his town/country of birth as:
"Shalat, Austria."

On the shtetlfiner there is only one similar listing--that of "Shlatt,
Austria" and many other towns with similar Soundex matches for many other
countries. Yet, since he always identified himself as Austrian, and, as
family lore has it, he spent some time in Vienna, living with relatives and
working as a lamplighter, before emigrating to the states as a teenager in
the early 1900s, it would seem that his town, indeed, was in Austria.
Although the marriage certificate was filled in by him (in his own
handwriting), it is possible he misspelled the town's name. Does anyone
have any information on this town (either spelling) and it's Jewish history?
The only story we have is that his family owned a "ranch" which was
burned to the ground by (I assume) unfriendly forces of the time.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA

thewks@hotmail.com

Researching: WEISS/SINGER/WEISBERGER/EISNER-Csap/Cop/Hungary (Ukraine)
BRAUN/GROSS-Karasz,Gyulahaz,Tiszaszalka, Hungary
GINSBERG/GREENHAUT-Austria
OBERMAN/BESSER-Czestochowa,Warsaw/Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The town of "Shalat" Austria #general

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I just received the 1919 NYC marriage certificate of my grandparents in
which my grandfather, Samuel Greenhaut, lists his town/country of birth as:
"Shalat, Austria."

On the shtetlfiner there is only one similar listing--that of "Shlatt,
Austria" and many other towns with similar Soundex matches for many other
countries. Yet, since he always identified himself as Austrian, and, as
family lore has it, he spent some time in Vienna, living with relatives and
working as a lamplighter, before emigrating to the states as a teenager in
the early 1900s, it would seem that his town, indeed, was in Austria.
Although the marriage certificate was filled in by him (in his own
handwriting), it is possible he misspelled the town's name. Does anyone
have any information on this town (either spelling) and it's Jewish history?
The only story we have is that his family owned a "ranch" which was
burned to the ground by (I assume) unfriendly forces of the time.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA

thewks@hotmail.com

Researching: WEISS/SINGER/WEISBERGER/EISNER-Csap/Cop/Hungary (Ukraine)
BRAUN/GROSS-Karasz,Gyulahaz,Tiszaszalka, Hungary
GINSBERG/GREENHAUT-Austria
OBERMAN/BESSER-Czestochowa,Warsaw/Poland


Who Makes it Happen? #courland #latvia

CWhippman@...
 

I came home >from work to find Arlene Beare's lovely but somewhat blush
making message. What I know >from my co-ordinator job is that the real kudos
go to the volunteers and donors. Believe me without them there would be no
projects and no database! One of the things that is in the pipeline is a
proper volunteer page with dedications and credits all collected together so
that credit can be given to each and every person who has been so generous
with time, skills and money.
The main thing is that I think you will all really enjoy the latest
Latvia SIG newsletter. Lesley Leven has made it look terrific and it is
packed with information and updates. Pooling our information and data really
has begun to bear fruit. Although we all communicate in cyberspace there is
something special about seeing things in print, being able to sit over a cup
of coffee reading through all the various contributions and re-read it >from a
handbag on the train.
Yes the new databases are coming. Watch this space over the next week or
two for announcements. Not only are there Dvinsk lists but also lists >from
Mitau, Tukums, The Kurland Young Men's Mutual Aid and the Extraordinary
Commission records. Everyone of these projects is a group effort and I don't
think there is a day that goes by without my feeling the force and
inspiration of the collective effort. Anyway this is all getting slightly
embarrassing and I just wanted to say thank you to Arlene for the kind words
and now back to work.
All the new volunteers will receive a personal note within the next 48 hours.
I have been out of the country for the past week so I am now catching up
slowly.
Best regards to all, Constance


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Who Makes it Happen? #courland #latvia

CWhippman@...
 

I came home >from work to find Arlene Beare's lovely but somewhat blush
making message. What I know >from my co-ordinator job is that the real kudos
go to the volunteers and donors. Believe me without them there would be no
projects and no database! One of the things that is in the pipeline is a
proper volunteer page with dedications and credits all collected together so
that credit can be given to each and every person who has been so generous
with time, skills and money.
The main thing is that I think you will all really enjoy the latest
Latvia SIG newsletter. Lesley Leven has made it look terrific and it is
packed with information and updates. Pooling our information and data really
has begun to bear fruit. Although we all communicate in cyberspace there is
something special about seeing things in print, being able to sit over a cup
of coffee reading through all the various contributions and re-read it >from a
handbag on the train.
Yes the new databases are coming. Watch this space over the next week or
two for announcements. Not only are there Dvinsk lists but also lists >from
Mitau, Tukums, The Kurland Young Men's Mutual Aid and the Extraordinary
Commission records. Everyone of these projects is a group effort and I don't
think there is a day that goes by without my feeling the force and
inspiration of the collective effort. Anyway this is all getting slightly
embarrassing and I just wanted to say thank you to Arlene for the kind words
and now back to work.
All the new volunteers will receive a personal note within the next 48 hours.
I have been out of the country for the past week so I am now catching up
slowly.
Best regards to all, Constance


Wilhelm Stieda, again #courland #latvia

Akira Hashimoto <aha@...>
 

Thank for your responses to my question.
I would like to query the Wilhelm Stieda's text written in "Die Aerzte
Kurlands" by I. Brennsohn of 1929.
You see many names of town in the text. Although
www.jewishgen.org/Courland/towns.htm and
www.jewishgen.org/Courland/baltics.jpg are very useful, the towns (or seem
to be towns) seen in Wilhelm Stieda's biography are still unfamiliar to me;
like Dorpat, Kemmern, Kitschkas, Jekaterinoslaw, Galizien, Tiflis,
Michailowskaja, Ter, Dobrjany (or Dorbjany?, according to other document).
Which town belongs to Courland, and where is it in Courland? Which does not
, and where?

Akira Hashimoto, Nagoya, Japan


I add the Wilhelm Stieda's short biography after "Die Aerzte Kurlands" by I.
Brennsohn of 1929:

Stieda, Wilhelm, geb. 31. Aug. 1875 a. St. in Petersburg als Sohn des
Wegebauingenieurs Eugen St., bes. das Stadtgymn. in Riga 1886-94, stud. an
d. mil.-med. akad. in Petersburg 94-99, Arzt cum eximia laude; war dann
asseretatm. jueng. Beamter des Mediz.-Departem. 99-1903; zugleich Ordinator
am Krankenhaus Nikolai des Wundertaeters in Petersburg 01-02; prom. 03 zum
Dr. med. ebenfalls in Petersburg, nachdem er das Doktorexamen in Dorpat
abgelegt hatte; setzte 03-04 seine Studien in Heidelberg fort u. war auch
daselbst Volontaerassistent an d. Irrenklinik. Vom 1. Mai 1904 bis 1. Sept.
1909 zweiter Arzt der Irrenanstalt der kurlaend. Ritterschaft Guenthershof
bei Mitau, dazwischen Mai 1904-April 1906 Reservearzt auf d. russ. japan.
Kriegsschauplatz; liess sich im Aug. 1909 als freipraktiz. Arzt in Riga
nieder, praktiz. bis 1910 in Riga, d. Sommer 10 in Kemmern, dann Leiter der
Mennoniten-Irrenanst. "Bethania" zu Kitschkas im Gouv. Jekaterinoslaw.
Erwarb Jan. 14 die Dr. Sokolowskische Nervenheilanst. in Thorensberg bei
Riga, wurde jedoch bereits im Juli als Arzt d. Reserve in d. Militaerdienst
einberufen, diente in Galizien, Tiflis, als Leiter der Irrenanst. der
Terek-Kosaken zu Michailowskaja im Ter-Gebiet bis Herbst 1917, seit 1. Okt.
17 Gehilfe d. Bevollmaechtigten d. psychiatr. Organisation d. Rot. Kreuz. im
Kaukasus, seit Jan. 1918 vom Dienst befreit, praktiz. er wieder seit Maerz
1918 in Riga. + am Flecktyph. zu Dobrjany anfang Mai 1920. Verm 10. Sept.
1907 m. Barbara Poorten, T. ein Rechtsanwalts in Dorpat.


First Names from Czechoslovakia #general

Dale and Rinnah <dburns60@...>
 

Hello everyone,
I have 2 Great-grandmothers >from Czechoslovakia. Their first names are JUTTE
and KUNEGUNDA.
Can anyone tell me what these names mean?
Thank You,
Rinnah Burns
Akron,Ohio


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Wilhelm Stieda, again #latvia #courland

Akira Hashimoto <aha@...>
 

Thank for your responses to my question.
I would like to query the Wilhelm Stieda's text written in "Die Aerzte
Kurlands" by I. Brennsohn of 1929.
You see many names of town in the text. Although
www.jewishgen.org/Courland/towns.htm and
www.jewishgen.org/Courland/baltics.jpg are very useful, the towns (or seem
to be towns) seen in Wilhelm Stieda's biography are still unfamiliar to me;
like Dorpat, Kemmern, Kitschkas, Jekaterinoslaw, Galizien, Tiflis,
Michailowskaja, Ter, Dobrjany (or Dorbjany?, according to other document).
Which town belongs to Courland, and where is it in Courland? Which does not
, and where?

Akira Hashimoto, Nagoya, Japan


I add the Wilhelm Stieda's short biography after "Die Aerzte Kurlands" by I.
Brennsohn of 1929:

Stieda, Wilhelm, geb. 31. Aug. 1875 a. St. in Petersburg als Sohn des
Wegebauingenieurs Eugen St., bes. das Stadtgymn. in Riga 1886-94, stud. an
d. mil.-med. akad. in Petersburg 94-99, Arzt cum eximia laude; war dann
asseretatm. jueng. Beamter des Mediz.-Departem. 99-1903; zugleich Ordinator
am Krankenhaus Nikolai des Wundertaeters in Petersburg 01-02; prom. 03 zum
Dr. med. ebenfalls in Petersburg, nachdem er das Doktorexamen in Dorpat
abgelegt hatte; setzte 03-04 seine Studien in Heidelberg fort u. war auch
daselbst Volontaerassistent an d. Irrenklinik. Vom 1. Mai 1904 bis 1. Sept.
1909 zweiter Arzt der Irrenanstalt der kurlaend. Ritterschaft Guenthershof
bei Mitau, dazwischen Mai 1904-April 1906 Reservearzt auf d. russ. japan.
Kriegsschauplatz; liess sich im Aug. 1909 als freipraktiz. Arzt in Riga
nieder, praktiz. bis 1910 in Riga, d. Sommer 10 in Kemmern, dann Leiter der
Mennoniten-Irrenanst. "Bethania" zu Kitschkas im Gouv. Jekaterinoslaw.
Erwarb Jan. 14 die Dr. Sokolowskische Nervenheilanst. in Thorensberg bei
Riga, wurde jedoch bereits im Juli als Arzt d. Reserve in d. Militaerdienst
einberufen, diente in Galizien, Tiflis, als Leiter der Irrenanst. der
Terek-Kosaken zu Michailowskaja im Ter-Gebiet bis Herbst 1917, seit 1. Okt.
17 Gehilfe d. Bevollmaechtigten d. psychiatr. Organisation d. Rot. Kreuz. im
Kaukasus, seit Jan. 1918 vom Dienst befreit, praktiz. er wieder seit Maerz
1918 in Riga. + am Flecktyph. zu Dobrjany anfang Mai 1920. Verm 10. Sept.
1907 m. Barbara Poorten, T. ein Rechtsanwalts in Dorpat.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen First Names from Czechoslovakia #general

Dale and Rinnah <dburns60@...>
 

Hello everyone,
I have 2 Great-grandmothers >from Czechoslovakia. Their first names are JUTTE
and KUNEGUNDA.
Can anyone tell me what these names mean?
Thank You,
Rinnah Burns
Akron,Ohio


Obtaining Form SS-5 without a Social Security Number #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Has anyone tried to obtain a Form SS-5 without supplying the applicant's
Social Security Number? If yes, I'd like to know if you were successful,
especially if the person had a common surname. I know you pay for the
search even if it yields no results, so I'd like to have some sense of the
Social Security Administration's track record before deciding whether it is
fruitful to try this approach.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka. Ukr); SONNENBLUM; STUPP
SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN / BROWN (Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN then GESBEN; LOPATKA (Sierpc,
Pol)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obtaining Form SS-5 without a Social Security Number #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Has anyone tried to obtain a Form SS-5 without supplying the applicant's
Social Security Number? If yes, I'd like to know if you were successful,
especially if the person had a common surname. I know you pay for the
search even if it yields no results, so I'd like to have some sense of the
Social Security Administration's track record before deciding whether it is
fruitful to try this approach.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka. Ukr); SONNENBLUM; STUPP
SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN / BROWN (Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN then GESBEN; LOPATKA (Sierpc,
Pol)


New Web Site #lithuania

DrWASaxton@...
 

To all Rakishok (Rokiskis) researchers - and other LitvakSIG subscribers, as well:

A woman in London, Emma Freeman, has taken it upon herself to create a Web
site about the shtetl of Abel (Obeliai). She is looking for input.

Because of the close proximity of this northeast Lithuania shtetl to both Rakishok and Zarasai, and the documented interaction between all these towns, those researching these communities may have some valuable information for Emma.

Others may have an interest and/or data, too. I know that she will greatly
appreciate any help that you may give her. Please feel free to contact her
privately about this at <em-ma@rocketmail.com>.

Bill Saxton
Boca Raton, Florida


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New Web Site #lithuania

DrWASaxton@...
 

To all Rakishok (Rokiskis) researchers - and other LitvakSIG subscribers, as well:

A woman in London, Emma Freeman, has taken it upon herself to create a Web
site about the shtetl of Abel (Obeliai). She is looking for input.

Because of the close proximity of this northeast Lithuania shtetl to both Rakishok and Zarasai, and the documented interaction between all these towns, those researching these communities may have some valuable information for Emma.

Others may have an interest and/or data, too. I know that she will greatly
appreciate any help that you may give her. Please feel free to contact her
privately about this at <em-ma@rocketmail.com>.

Bill Saxton
Boca Raton, Florida


FINKLEBERG? KRAMER? ROGOVOI? #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

I am trying to find out how the following person would be related to
my maternal Des Moines KRAMER and ROGOVOI family: According to the
California Death Index Helen KRAMER ROGOVOI (whose mother's maiden name was
FINKLEBERG) was born in Iowa on 10/23/1907 and died in Orange County,
California on 1/19/1996.
An elderly Des Moines KRAMER relative, who was a friend of Helen's,
tells me that Helen was not related to "our" KRAMERs.- and as far as I
know there are no FINKLEBERGS to whom I am related- but there a deceased
paternal Des Moines relative married a Joe ROGOVOI (also deceased). Joe
had relatives named Kitty, Sam and Harry so I'm hoping someone can
connect the unusual ROGOVOI surname to Helen.

Stacy Harris


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FINKLEBERG? KRAMER? ROGOVOI? #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

I am trying to find out how the following person would be related to
my maternal Des Moines KRAMER and ROGOVOI family: According to the
California Death Index Helen KRAMER ROGOVOI (whose mother's maiden name was
FINKLEBERG) was born in Iowa on 10/23/1907 and died in Orange County,
California on 1/19/1996.
An elderly Des Moines KRAMER relative, who was a friend of Helen's,
tells me that Helen was not related to "our" KRAMERs.- and as far as I
know there are no FINKLEBERGS to whom I am related- but there a deceased
paternal Des Moines relative married a Joe ROGOVOI (also deceased). Joe
had relatives named Kitty, Sam and Harry so I'm hoping someone can
connect the unusual ROGOVOI surname to Helen.

Stacy Harris


BARNETT, SERRINS #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

I am seeking information on the family of Joel Adlai SERRINS who was
born and who died in Los Angeles on the same date: October 22, 1958,
according to the California Death Index. Joel's mother's maiden name was
BARNETT

I am trying to figure out among my SERRINS and BARNETT relatives who
Joel's parents siblings would be.

Stacy Harris


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BARNETT, SERRINS #general

delete_this_to_reply_stacy_harris@...
 

I am seeking information on the family of Joel Adlai SERRINS who was
born and who died in Los Angeles on the same date: October 22, 1958,
according to the California Death Index. Joel's mother's maiden name was
BARNETT

I am trying to figure out among my SERRINS and BARNETT relatives who
Joel's parents siblings would be.

Stacy Harris