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National statistics UK #general

Maurice Hoffman <Rosie@...>
 

The new site is www.statistics.gov.uk. This includes registration
and lots of information and data.
email info@statistics.gov.uk

It's well worth a regular visit

Maurice Hoffman
Wembley
UK


Re: Direct and Indirect Descendants #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

However, for the "unbroken all-male line" there is a problem, because
ultimately men must take everything on trust. How can we ever be certain
that a specified individual's reputed/reported father was in fact his/her
biological father? No doubt it is true in the majority of cases, but --
let's face it -- it is highly unlikely to be true in all cases -- and how
can we know when it is not?

I suppose we just have to take it for granted because our genealogical
researches make no biological sense without this assumption. Am I the only
cynic around, or has this problem bothered other jgenners too?

Judith Romney Wegner
I am also a cynic and have therefore always wondered why the prestigious
Cohen and Levi lineage passes along the all-male line - while the
question of being Jewish or not is decided by the all-female line. Have I
misunderstood something.

Kirsten Gradel, Denmark

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of religious law should
take place privately.


Kamenets #general

Stephen Mednick <smednick@...>
 

I was curious to know >from other researchers how often the town name of
Kamenets Podolsky might have been confused with the town name of Kamenets.
Has anyone come across instances where Kamenets Podolsky has been
shortened to Kamenets?


Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
smednick@css.au.com

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


Louis Berlin from Bobr Mogilev Russia #general

Eleanor Weber Dickman <ewdickman@...>
 

I'm trying to locate my grandfather's ancestors. His name was Lewis
Berlin, and the first detail I can find about him comes >from a Ship's
Manifest >from the S.S. Friesland, which sailed >from Liverpool, England to
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA on October 1, 1905. On the manifest is
"Chaya Berlin," who was my grandmother. It noted her final destination as
Providence, R. I. to go to "husband L. Berlin c/o S. Myerberg, Mar St
(Market Street?), Providence R. I. 1 yr here, dry goods." Chaya
originally came >from Bobr, Mogilev, Russia. Since she was listed on the
Manifest as Chaya Berlin, I am assuming she was married before she left
Russia, so perhaps Louis Berlin is also >from Bobr.

Eleanor Weber Dickman
Cupertino, CA
<ewdickman@earthlink.net>
<ewdickman@home.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen National statistics UK #general

Maurice Hoffman <Rosie@...>
 

The new site is www.statistics.gov.uk. This includes registration
and lots of information and data.
email info@statistics.gov.uk

It's well worth a regular visit

Maurice Hoffman
Wembley
UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Direct and Indirect Descendants #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

However, for the "unbroken all-male line" there is a problem, because
ultimately men must take everything on trust. How can we ever be certain
that a specified individual's reputed/reported father was in fact his/her
biological father? No doubt it is true in the majority of cases, but --
let's face it -- it is highly unlikely to be true in all cases -- and how
can we know when it is not?

I suppose we just have to take it for granted because our genealogical
researches make no biological sense without this assumption. Am I the only
cynic around, or has this problem bothered other jgenners too?

Judith Romney Wegner
I am also a cynic and have therefore always wondered why the prestigious
Cohen and Levi lineage passes along the all-male line - while the
question of being Jewish or not is decided by the all-female line. Have I
misunderstood something.

Kirsten Gradel, Denmark

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of religious law should
take place privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kamenets #general

Stephen Mednick <smednick@...>
 

I was curious to know >from other researchers how often the town name of
Kamenets Podolsky might have been confused with the town name of Kamenets.
Has anyone come across instances where Kamenets Podolsky has been
shortened to Kamenets?


Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
smednick@css.au.com

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Louis Berlin from Bobr Mogilev Russia #general

Eleanor Weber Dickman <ewdickman@...>
 

I'm trying to locate my grandfather's ancestors. His name was Lewis
Berlin, and the first detail I can find about him comes >from a Ship's
Manifest >from the S.S. Friesland, which sailed >from Liverpool, England to
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA on October 1, 1905. On the manifest is
"Chaya Berlin," who was my grandmother. It noted her final destination as
Providence, R. I. to go to "husband L. Berlin c/o S. Myerberg, Mar St
(Market Street?), Providence R. I. 1 yr here, dry goods." Chaya
originally came >from Bobr, Mogilev, Russia. Since she was listed on the
Manifest as Chaya Berlin, I am assuming she was married before she left
Russia, so perhaps Louis Berlin is also >from Bobr.

Eleanor Weber Dickman
Cupertino, CA
<ewdickman@earthlink.net>
<ewdickman@home.com>


Surnames - North & South #hungary

Michele Sankar <sankosy@...>
 

Hello all.

Let me start with apologies to all of you who wrote with responses to an
earlier letter of mine, as I have been unable to answer them. I have
spent the past month in the hospital with my youngest baby, and she was
just discharged yesterday. The good news is finding all of the H-sig
letters here!

Surnames I am searching:

BECK (Somogy?)
FANY (Salgotarjan?)
FREUND (Baja?)
GLOCKNER/GABOR (throughout villages in Somogy county - Szulok,
Somogysard, etc.; then
Budapest)
SEIDNER (Salgotarjan, Budapest)
WEINBERGER (Baja, Budapest)
WINTER (Salgotarjan, Abauj-Szina/Sena/Kosice,
Budapest)

Many thanks.

Michele Sankar


Researching Isaac LEVI #hungary

Robin KAH <Eiko-1958@...>
 

Hello everyone!

I've also been lurking for a while, hoping to run across anyone who =
might be researching a LEVI connection to Hungary. I am hoping that =
some of the following names ring a bell with someone, or that someone =
might give suggestions on where else I might search.

Specifically, I am researching Isaac LEVI (the senior) who served in the =
American Revolutionary War under George Rogers Clark. According to =
testimony Isaac gave in his application for a Revolutionary War pension =
(Switzerland County, Indiana, 18 Sep 1832), Isaac was "born in Hungary =
on the _____ day of February 1749". I have no clues as to his =
parentage, but my speculation is that he came to this country either =
with family or to extended family members already residing here. I have =
not made a connection yet, but census records show that there was a =
Barnet LEVI in Franklin County, Indiana (1820), Salomon LEVY in Crawford =
County, Indiana (1820), and a Rhobert LEVI in Crawford County, Indiana =
(1830). [Spellings are exactly what is shown on the census records.]

According to Isaac's pension application testimony, he was "about =
Seventeen years old" when he came to America yet I have not been able to =
find him on any of the published immigrant ship lists in a time frame =
that matches. I believe I have located him in Virginia (George Rogers =
Clark's forces were connected with the Virginia Militia) where it =
appears he married a Judith HILL about 1793. I know there were other =
Levi (also spelled "Levy") in Virginia around that time, but I have made =
no connection there yet either. I also know he was, at various times, =
in Kentucky, Ohio, and Illinois. =20

Trying to track him through his wives doesn't help because Isaac was =
married a number of times and information on his wives, except for his =
last wife, is practically non-existent. Isaac ultimately settled in =
Indiana, with 3 sons - Abraham (also known as "Abram"), Isaac L. ("Isaac =
Jr."), and Martin, and 2 daughters - Mary ("Polly"), and Sallie. Isaac =
died in Ripley County on 21 Sep 1850. Eventually a government marker =
commemorating his Revolutionary War service was placed on what once was =
his farmstead, but the actual location of his grave is lost. His =
descendants live on in Indiana, particularly in Rush County and, for the =
most part, have no clue that he was Jewish. Isaac was briefly =
mentioned in an article written by Timothy J. Crumrin, "Early Jews in =
Indiana" and may be seen on-line at: =
http://www.connerprairie.org/injews.html . =20

Although none of Isaac's descendants appear to have been raised with any =
Jewish traditions, I was quite pleased to discover that he is my =
g-g-g-g-grandfather (I am descended through his daughter Mary/Polly who =
married John CLEVENGER). I worked closely with a number of =
"conservadox" Jewish people (although there was 1 reform fella in the =
bunch) and developed a great affection for Jewish people - the sense of =
humor, support of each other, and love for a their own very rich =
heritage. I learned much >from them, acquired quite a Yiddish =
vocabulary, attended the bar mitzvah of my employer's eldest son, and =
even joined the local Jewish Community Center (great athletic =
facilities!). At the time none of us knew about old Isaac. An =
interesting and amusing side note - my generation of Isaac's descendants =
are also of Japanese and American Indian descent. My Jewish employer, =
co-workers and I always had fun exploring the "tribal thing" present in =
our families. In fact, it brings new meanting to a great line in the =
movie "The Frisco Kid" with Gene Wilder - when Gene Wilder's character =
says (while teaching a folk dance to some Indians) "you better watch =
that lady - I think she's a Jewish Indian!" =20

Thank you for your patience with this long letter. All suggestions and =
tips are greatly appreciated!

Yours in friendship,

Robin (Clevenger) Kills a Hundred


Hungary SIG #Hungary Surnames - North & South #hungary

Michele Sankar <sankosy@...>
 

Hello all.

Let me start with apologies to all of you who wrote with responses to an
earlier letter of mine, as I have been unable to answer them. I have
spent the past month in the hospital with my youngest baby, and she was
just discharged yesterday. The good news is finding all of the H-sig
letters here!

Surnames I am searching:

BECK (Somogy?)
FANY (Salgotarjan?)
FREUND (Baja?)
GLOCKNER/GABOR (throughout villages in Somogy county - Szulok,
Somogysard, etc.; then
Budapest)
SEIDNER (Salgotarjan, Budapest)
WEINBERGER (Baja, Budapest)
WINTER (Salgotarjan, Abauj-Szina/Sena/Kosice,
Budapest)

Many thanks.

Michele Sankar


Hungary SIG #Hungary Researching Isaac LEVI #hungary

Robin KAH <Eiko-1958@...>
 

Hello everyone!

I've also been lurking for a while, hoping to run across anyone who =
might be researching a LEVI connection to Hungary. I am hoping that =
some of the following names ring a bell with someone, or that someone =
might give suggestions on where else I might search.

Specifically, I am researching Isaac LEVI (the senior) who served in the =
American Revolutionary War under George Rogers Clark. According to =
testimony Isaac gave in his application for a Revolutionary War pension =
(Switzerland County, Indiana, 18 Sep 1832), Isaac was "born in Hungary =
on the _____ day of February 1749". I have no clues as to his =
parentage, but my speculation is that he came to this country either =
with family or to extended family members already residing here. I have =
not made a connection yet, but census records show that there was a =
Barnet LEVI in Franklin County, Indiana (1820), Salomon LEVY in Crawford =
County, Indiana (1820), and a Rhobert LEVI in Crawford County, Indiana =
(1830). [Spellings are exactly what is shown on the census records.]

According to Isaac's pension application testimony, he was "about =
Seventeen years old" when he came to America yet I have not been able to =
find him on any of the published immigrant ship lists in a time frame =
that matches. I believe I have located him in Virginia (George Rogers =
Clark's forces were connected with the Virginia Militia) where it =
appears he married a Judith HILL about 1793. I know there were other =
Levi (also spelled "Levy") in Virginia around that time, but I have made =
no connection there yet either. I also know he was, at various times, =
in Kentucky, Ohio, and Illinois. =20

Trying to track him through his wives doesn't help because Isaac was =
married a number of times and information on his wives, except for his =
last wife, is practically non-existent. Isaac ultimately settled in =
Indiana, with 3 sons - Abraham (also known as "Abram"), Isaac L. ("Isaac =
Jr."), and Martin, and 2 daughters - Mary ("Polly"), and Sallie. Isaac =
died in Ripley County on 21 Sep 1850. Eventually a government marker =
commemorating his Revolutionary War service was placed on what once was =
his farmstead, but the actual location of his grave is lost. His =
descendants live on in Indiana, particularly in Rush County and, for the =
most part, have no clue that he was Jewish. Isaac was briefly =
mentioned in an article written by Timothy J. Crumrin, "Early Jews in =
Indiana" and may be seen on-line at: =
http://www.connerprairie.org/injews.html . =20

Although none of Isaac's descendants appear to have been raised with any =
Jewish traditions, I was quite pleased to discover that he is my =
g-g-g-g-grandfather (I am descended through his daughter Mary/Polly who =
married John CLEVENGER). I worked closely with a number of =
"conservadox" Jewish people (although there was 1 reform fella in the =
bunch) and developed a great affection for Jewish people - the sense of =
humor, support of each other, and love for a their own very rich =
heritage. I learned much >from them, acquired quite a Yiddish =
vocabulary, attended the bar mitzvah of my employer's eldest son, and =
even joined the local Jewish Community Center (great athletic =
facilities!). At the time none of us knew about old Isaac. An =
interesting and amusing side note - my generation of Isaac's descendants =
are also of Japanese and American Indian descent. My Jewish employer, =
co-workers and I always had fun exploring the "tribal thing" present in =
our families. In fact, it brings new meanting to a great line in the =
movie "The Frisco Kid" with Gene Wilder - when Gene Wilder's character =
says (while teaching a folk dance to some Indians) "you better watch =
that lady - I think she's a Jewish Indian!" =20

Thank you for your patience with this long letter. All suggestions and =
tips are greatly appreciated!

Yours in friendship,

Robin (Clevenger) Kills a Hundred


**Surnames I'm researching** #hungary

glosonc@...
 

I am mainly researching the following surnames:

GOLDBERGER- Olaszliszka, Hungary
HIRSCH - Dukla,Galiczia,Poland
KUHN, KUN - Hajdunanas, Hungary
LANDSBERGER- Satoraljaujhely, Hungary;Krakow,Poland; Losonc, Slovakia
LEFKOVITS -Olaszliszka, Hajdusamson, Hungary; Toketerebes, Slovakia
MULLER -Vis, Hungary
ROHT, ROT -Vis, Hungary
SCHNITZER,SCHNICZER,NETZER-Abaujszanto, Kobanya Hungary
SZEGAL -Hajdunanas, Hungary
WEISZ, Weiss -Olaszliszka,Hungary;Maracaibo,Caracas Venezuela
WIEZENBERG -Abaujszanto, Hungary


Re: Help with town name, please! #hungary

PGergay@...
 

In a message dated 1/27/01 3:50:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20
AttilaRona@aol.com writes:

<<=20
I think you are the right track. K.V. probably means Kosice Vidiek (Kassa=20
vid=E9ki j=E1r=E1s. >>

If I may amplify and "editorialize" a bit on Attila's above comment, he is=20
not only correct (in other words, you can delete "probably" >from his=20
statement), but it is of pivotal significance in geneological/geographical=20
pinpointing if one considers that :

" Kassa Videki Jaras" =3D "District of Kassa and Vicinity"=20

There are two things important to keep in mind: The administrative=20
Districts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire are not identical to the=20
administrative Districts of current Slovakia. Incidentally, the same goes fo=
r=20
all other countries which constituted the old Austro-Hungarian Empire----wit=
h=20
the notable exception of Austria and Hungary. In Austria it is essential to=20
think in terms of "Lander" (a couple of new ones have been added after WW I.=
)=20
and in Hungary "districts" have fallen into progressive disuse after WW II,=20
until they were eliminated altogether 25-30 years ago by government decree=20
and only counties remain. This is significant because it underlines the=20
occasional, but sometimes immediate, cul-de-sacs one can encounter when usin=
g=20
current maps or the Internet...

Peter A. Gergay
San Francisco,CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary **Surnames I'm researching** #hungary

glosonc@...
 

I am mainly researching the following surnames:

GOLDBERGER- Olaszliszka, Hungary
HIRSCH - Dukla,Galiczia,Poland
KUHN, KUN - Hajdunanas, Hungary
LANDSBERGER- Satoraljaujhely, Hungary;Krakow,Poland; Losonc, Slovakia
LEFKOVITS -Olaszliszka, Hajdusamson, Hungary; Toketerebes, Slovakia
MULLER -Vis, Hungary
ROHT, ROT -Vis, Hungary
SCHNITZER,SCHNICZER,NETZER-Abaujszanto, Kobanya Hungary
SZEGAL -Hajdunanas, Hungary
WEISZ, Weiss -Olaszliszka,Hungary;Maracaibo,Caracas Venezuela
WIEZENBERG -Abaujszanto, Hungary


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Help with town name, please! #hungary

PGergay@...
 

In a message dated 1/27/01 3:50:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20
AttilaRona@aol.com writes:

<<=20
I think you are the right track. K.V. probably means Kosice Vidiek (Kassa=20
vid=E9ki j=E1r=E1s. >>

If I may amplify and "editorialize" a bit on Attila's above comment, he is=20
not only correct (in other words, you can delete "probably" >from his=20
statement), but it is of pivotal significance in geneological/geographical=20
pinpointing if one considers that :

" Kassa Videki Jaras" =3D "District of Kassa and Vicinity"=20

There are two things important to keep in mind: The administrative=20
Districts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire are not identical to the=20
administrative Districts of current Slovakia. Incidentally, the same goes fo=
r=20
all other countries which constituted the old Austro-Hungarian Empire----wit=
h=20
the notable exception of Austria and Hungary. In Austria it is essential to=20
think in terms of "Lander" (a couple of new ones have been added after WW I.=
)=20
and in Hungary "districts" have fallen into progressive disuse after WW II,=20
until they were eliminated altogether 25-30 years ago by government decree=20
and only counties remain. This is significant because it underlines the=20
occasional, but sometimes immediate, cul-de-sacs one can encounter when usin=
g=20
current maps or the Internet...

Peter A. Gergay
San Francisco,CA


My name list #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Here is the list of the names I am researching.

The list number 1 containes names on my father's side and originates >from
Transylvania. The "root-names" are WEISZ >from Valea lui Mihai
(Ermihlayfalva) and WAGNER >from Sighet. The other names are branches.
1.- WEISZ /WEISS- Valea lui Mihai, Salonta, Oradea, Tisztabereg, Csaholc
BURGER - Sighet, Carei
DAVIDOVITS - Sighet
FEHER - Salonta, Oradea
HONIG - Pittsburg
KLEIN - Valea lui Mihai, Salonta
PALLER - Salonta
SACHS - Salonta
SIMSOVITS - Sighet
SPITZER - Hungary
UNGVARI - Siofok
VARADI - Oradea
WAGNER - Sighet

The 2nd list is on my mother's side. The "root-names" are R(O)ESSLER rom
Zrenjanin (Nagybecskerek), Beograd (former Yougoslavia) and
POLITZER/ROSMANN >from Alba Iulia. The other names are branches.

2.-DEIM - Budapest
BERGENTHAL - Zrenjanin, Beograd
RESSLER- Zrenjanin, Beograd
ROSSLER - Budapest
FEKETE - Budapest
POLITZER - Alba Iulia, Budapest
ROSMANN - Alba Iulia, Budapest

Regards to all
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Hungary SIG #Hungary My name list #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Here is the list of the names I am researching.

The list number 1 containes names on my father's side and originates >from
Transylvania. The "root-names" are WEISZ >from Valea lui Mihai
(Ermihlayfalva) and WAGNER >from Sighet. The other names are branches.
1.- WEISZ /WEISS- Valea lui Mihai, Salonta, Oradea, Tisztabereg, Csaholc
BURGER - Sighet, Carei
DAVIDOVITS - Sighet
FEHER - Salonta, Oradea
HONIG - Pittsburg
KLEIN - Valea lui Mihai, Salonta
PALLER - Salonta
SACHS - Salonta
SIMSOVITS - Sighet
SPITZER - Hungary
UNGVARI - Siofok
VARADI - Oradea
WAGNER - Sighet

The 2nd list is on my mother's side. The "root-names" are R(O)ESSLER rom
Zrenjanin (Nagybecskerek), Beograd (former Yougoslavia) and
POLITZER/ROSMANN >from Alba Iulia. The other names are branches.

2.-DEIM - Budapest
BERGENTHAL - Zrenjanin, Beograd
RESSLER- Zrenjanin, Beograd
ROSSLER - Budapest
FEKETE - Budapest
POLITZER - Alba Iulia, Budapest
ROSMANN - Alba Iulia, Budapest

Regards to all
Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


GARTENFELD #hungary

CASHEL3776@...
 

Researching:

GARTENFELD b: Bef. 1800 d: in Tolcsva, Zemplen, Budapest & Karansebes, Hungary United States & Israel

Ley K. O'Connor


Hungary SIG #Hungary GARTENFELD #hungary

CASHEL3776@...
 

Researching:

GARTENFELD b: Bef. 1800 d: in Tolcsva, Zemplen, Budapest & Karansebes, Hungary United States & Israel

Ley K. O'Connor