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Russian surnames #general

Natalya Zilberman <natalyazilberman@...>
 

Jews in Russia usually chose the surnames that related to what they did for
a living. Even though they were 'Russian sounding' they were not usually
the names an ethnic Russian would use (in order not to be confused with a
Jew). I have not heard of cases where Jews would be allowed to choose a
Hebrew surname in addition. While this could have been taking place in some
areas, it was not the general practice. Jews were somehow acoounted for
(census, taxes), so having two surnames would have had created much
confusion, which authorities did not want to deal with.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian surnames #general

Natalya Zilberman <natalyazilberman@...>
 

Jews in Russia usually chose the surnames that related to what they did for
a living. Even though they were 'Russian sounding' they were not usually
the names an ethnic Russian would use (in order not to be confused with a
Jew). I have not heard of cases where Jews would be allowed to choose a
Hebrew surname in addition. While this could have been taking place in some
areas, it was not the general practice. Jews were somehow acoounted for
(census, taxes), so having two surnames would have had created much
confusion, which authorities did not want to deal with.


Re: Searching GARMISE, CLINGAN, ELGART, from Minsk gubernia #general

Seesiegel <seesiegel@...>
 

I went to school with a "Garmise" in West Hartford, Conn......and I do know
an Elgart in California....
---carolyn siegel
albuquerque New Mexico


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching GARMISE, CLINGAN, ELGART, from Minsk gubernia #general

Seesiegel <seesiegel@...>
 

I went to school with a "Garmise" in West Hartford, Conn......and I do know
an Elgart in California....
---carolyn siegel
albuquerque New Mexico


Re: photos of immigrants' ships #general

Edward Andelman <andelman@...>
 

I continue to be amazed and grateful to the members of this Group who
generously contribute research tips, ie: today, Cathy Flamholtz's info
re KinShips website. There have been soooo many others, too, that I have
bookmarked; I just had to stop and express my thanks and appreciation to
all those great Jewishgenners!.

Jeanne Blitzer Andelman
andelman@oh.verio.com
Cleveland, OH

Researching:
Mielnitza/Mielnica, Galicia, Austria, now Mel'nitza
Podolskaya,Ukraine--FLEISCHMAN, REITER, BLITZER, ZUKER-REINSTEIN
Tarnapol/Ternopil--FLEISCHMAN, REITER
Kudrynce, Bukovina, Austria, now Kudrintsy, Ukraine--REINSTEIN,
ZUKER,BLITZER

Hafcjf@aol.com wrote:>

Jeff Malka asks wherehe can obtain photos of the ships of his ancestors.I
would suggest the excellent site:

http://www.kinshipsprints.com

KinShips, The Vessels of Your Immigrant Ancestors includes hundreds of
prints (available for purchase) of ships which came to this country. They
are easily categorized alphabetically.

Jeff, there were photos of the Merion and the Columbia, but none for the
Thomas W. Gregory. For that one, I'd suggest a search at google.com

Hope this helps,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@aol.com

mailto:hafcjf@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: photos of immigrants' ships #general

Edward Andelman <andelman@...>
 

I continue to be amazed and grateful to the members of this Group who
generously contribute research tips, ie: today, Cathy Flamholtz's info
re KinShips website. There have been soooo many others, too, that I have
bookmarked; I just had to stop and express my thanks and appreciation to
all those great Jewishgenners!.

Jeanne Blitzer Andelman
andelman@oh.verio.com
Cleveland, OH

Researching:
Mielnitza/Mielnica, Galicia, Austria, now Mel'nitza
Podolskaya,Ukraine--FLEISCHMAN, REITER, BLITZER, ZUKER-REINSTEIN
Tarnapol/Ternopil--FLEISCHMAN, REITER
Kudrynce, Bukovina, Austria, now Kudrintsy, Ukraine--REINSTEIN,
ZUKER,BLITZER

Hafcjf@aol.com wrote:>

Jeff Malka asks wherehe can obtain photos of the ships of his ancestors.I
would suggest the excellent site:

http://www.kinshipsprints.com

KinShips, The Vessels of Your Immigrant Ancestors includes hundreds of
prints (available for purchase) of ships which came to this country. They
are easily categorized alphabetically.

Jeff, there were photos of the Merion and the Columbia, but none for the
Thomas W. Gregory. For that one, I'd suggest a search at google.com

Hope this helps,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@aol.com

mailto:hafcjf@aol.com


Lipsk Poland/Russia #general

Daniel S. Katz <dsk@...>
 

Hi,

I recently discovered family who listed Lipsk, Poland or Russia as
a place of origin in naturalization papers. There seem to be a
number of places called Lipsk according to ShtetlSeeker. Is there
one in particular that is likely to be the place my ancestors
came from?

My guess is the one in Poland near Augustow, at 53733/234000.

If so, are there records available for this Shtetl, or for Augustow?

Thanks,
Dan (dsk@lugh.cacr.caltech.edu)
currently searching for
TAROLSKY and BANKOYSKY in Lipsk, Poland
SMILOVICI in Batasani, Romania
ELISCOV in Piatra Neamt, Romania
BAJCH and SHMAIS in Yampol, Ukraine
TZINBERG in Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lipsk Poland/Russia #general

Daniel S. Katz <dsk@...>
 

Hi,

I recently discovered family who listed Lipsk, Poland or Russia as
a place of origin in naturalization papers. There seem to be a
number of places called Lipsk according to ShtetlSeeker. Is there
one in particular that is likely to be the place my ancestors
came from?

My guess is the one in Poland near Augustow, at 53733/234000.

If so, are there records available for this Shtetl, or for Augustow?

Thanks,
Dan (dsk@lugh.cacr.caltech.edu)
currently searching for
TAROLSKY and BANKOYSKY in Lipsk, Poland
SMILOVICI in Batasani, Romania
ELISCOV in Piatra Neamt, Romania
BAJCH and SHMAIS in Yampol, Ukraine
TZINBERG in Ukraine


Re: Apologies to all on this list [messages that are deleted unread] #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/01 12:02:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, agloger@aol.com
writes:

<< I, and I'm sure others, find it very disconcerting to find that the
message has been deleted without ever having been read !

We all have very full lives whether we are young, old, older, working
hard or hardly working or even retired; but not to respond or to just
delete a message is rude and somewhat defeats the purpose of this or any
other mail list.

==No, it is not necessarily rude, it's prudent. We are busy, some have
very little resources in time. I receive over 200 messages a day >from
various sources.

I automatically delete, unread, some 90% or more of these messages I
receive daily that do not bear a clear indication of their contents in
their subject line (and therefore its relevance for me).

The solution: If you want your messages read by those for whom they are
intended, make sure that they know of its relevance >from scanning the
subject line.

Subject lines reading "Question," "Translation please," "Please help" "Is
this your family," "Immigrant vessels," and similar are too vague and are
likely to be deleted.

Specific names, language, location, dates should be used whenever possible.

There is a site--I don't recall the name, "Viewmate" or something like it,
where genners can post images for deciphering. I am always ready to help
others with the languages and knowledge of Jewish life, customs and
history, that I have. But I'll not go to the bother of opening a "view
me" site if I don't know in advance if it is possibly something that I can
help with--or that will help me.

If you want to know how to write good subject lines, look across a day's
e-mail messages at the subject lines. Which are the ones that make their
contents clear, which are the ones that call to you "Good, here's
soomething I can use" or Good, this is something that I can help with," or
simply "Good, this is something that intrigues me.

As it happens, I opened the message to which I am responding only because I
recognized the sender's name, otherwise I would have deleted it unread.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Apologies to all on this list [messages that are deleted unread] #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/01 12:02:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, agloger@aol.com
writes:

<< I, and I'm sure others, find it very disconcerting to find that the
message has been deleted without ever having been read !

We all have very full lives whether we are young, old, older, working
hard or hardly working or even retired; but not to respond or to just
delete a message is rude and somewhat defeats the purpose of this or any
other mail list.

==No, it is not necessarily rude, it's prudent. We are busy, some have
very little resources in time. I receive over 200 messages a day >from
various sources.

I automatically delete, unread, some 90% or more of these messages I
receive daily that do not bear a clear indication of their contents in
their subject line (and therefore its relevance for me).

The solution: If you want your messages read by those for whom they are
intended, make sure that they know of its relevance >from scanning the
subject line.

Subject lines reading "Question," "Translation please," "Please help" "Is
this your family," "Immigrant vessels," and similar are too vague and are
likely to be deleted.

Specific names, language, location, dates should be used whenever possible.

There is a site--I don't recall the name, "Viewmate" or something like it,
where genners can post images for deciphering. I am always ready to help
others with the languages and knowledge of Jewish life, customs and
history, that I have. But I'll not go to the bother of opening a "view
me" site if I don't know in advance if it is possibly something that I can
help with--or that will help me.

If you want to know how to write good subject lines, look across a day's
e-mail messages at the subject lines. Which are the ones that make their
contents clear, which are the ones that call to you "Good, here's
soomething I can use" or Good, this is something that I can help with," or
simply "Good, this is something that intrigues me.

As it happens, I opened the message to which I am responding only because I
recognized the sender's name, otherwise I would have deleted it unread.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Russian Jewish surnames / question for historians #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

But my family, which always regarded itself as of a certain distinction,
has a Hebrew surname, and we took it in the early 19th century. It exists
in many different transliterations in many different branches of the family
(Yohalem, Yaglom, Jaglom, etc.) But it's all the same Hebrew word.
John Yohalem.
Dear John,

Your name, Yohalem or Yahalom, intrigues me linguistically. I would like
to know what the name signifies according to your family's tradition. This
of course would depend on whether the letter "h" represents the Hebrew
letter heh or the Hebrew guttural het. If it is a het, then Yahalom (using
precisely those vowels) would mean "he shall dream" -- or simply "he
deams" in some contexts. If it is a heh, then it could be >from the verb
holem meaning to strike (like the clapper of a bell). But neither word
fit any obvious context, unless it is spelled with het and the first name
Joseph runs in your family -- the biblical Joseph is described as a
"dreamer of dreams."

Also, one has to wonder how Yahalom became transmuted into Yohalem (which
grammatically speaking is not a possible word formation in Hebrew.)

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian Jewish surnames / question for historians #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

But my family, which always regarded itself as of a certain distinction,
has a Hebrew surname, and we took it in the early 19th century. It exists
in many different transliterations in many different branches of the family
(Yohalem, Yaglom, Jaglom, etc.) But it's all the same Hebrew word.
John Yohalem.
Dear John,

Your name, Yohalem or Yahalom, intrigues me linguistically. I would like
to know what the name signifies according to your family's tradition. This
of course would depend on whether the letter "h" represents the Hebrew
letter heh or the Hebrew guttural het. If it is a het, then Yahalom (using
precisely those vowels) would mean "he shall dream" -- or simply "he
deams" in some contexts. If it is a heh, then it could be >from the verb
holem meaning to strike (like the clapper of a bell). But neither word
fit any obvious context, unless it is spelled with het and the first name
Joseph runs in your family -- the biblical Joseph is described as a
"dreamer of dreams."

Also, one has to wonder how Yahalom became transmuted into Yohalem (which
grammatically speaking is not a possible word formation in Hebrew.)

Judith Romney Wegner


Re: Directory of Optometrists #general

Bob Myles <nonono@...>
 

Is there an optometrist among us who might know where to look
up a particular (still-living) optometrist in the New York City area or
Florida?
Try the website for the American Academy of Optometry
(www.aaopt.org). Last time I looked, their online membership
database wasn't working, but you may find some contact
information that can help.

Bob Myles
Atlanta, GA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Directory of Optometrists #general

Bob Myles <nonono@...>
 

Is there an optometrist among us who might know where to look
up a particular (still-living) optometrist in the New York City area or
Florida?
Try the website for the American Academy of Optometry
(www.aaopt.org). Last time I looked, their online membership
database wasn't working, but you may find some contact
information that can help.

Bob Myles
Atlanta, GA


Correction: Suggested Reading on Sea Travel #general

Nancy Ring-Kendrick <kendrickkreation@...>
 

Hi Everyone!

As Judith Romney Wagner pointed out in an e-mail to me there is an error
in the original post. The Lusitania should have been the ref. instead
of "Lithuania." Hopefully, most of you knew that this was an oversight
when proof reading and something I actually think spell check may have
changed. The sentence should have read "Of course the Titanic and the
Lusitania" are included.

Thank you for your time.
Nancy Ring-Kendrick


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction: Suggested Reading on Sea Travel #general

Nancy Ring-Kendrick <kendrickkreation@...>
 

Hi Everyone!

As Judith Romney Wagner pointed out in an e-mail to me there is an error
in the original post. The Lusitania should have been the ref. instead
of "Lithuania." Hopefully, most of you knew that this was an oversight
when proof reading and something I actually think spell check may have
changed. The sentence should have read "Of course the Titanic and the
Lusitania" are included.

Thank you for your time.
Nancy Ring-Kendrick


BAUER family from Lviv/Lemberg Area #general

Stephen Rockower
 

I recently obtained the maiden name of my ggm, Chaia BAUER (possibly BOWER,
but I doubt that spelling). The family is >from the environs of Lviv, in
eastern Galicie, now Ukraine. The towns might be Zabava, Druzhkopol, or
perhaps Koroczin. Any leads or tips (or even family members!) would be
appreciated.

Stephen Rockower
Searching: ROCKOWER,(RAKOWER, ROKOVER, RAKOVER, etc) SPRITZLER, STEIN,
COLEMAN, SABLOSKY, SHARPE, GOLDENBERG


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BAUER family from Lviv/Lemberg Area #general

Stephen Rockower
 

I recently obtained the maiden name of my ggm, Chaia BAUER (possibly BOWER,
but I doubt that spelling). The family is >from the environs of Lviv, in
eastern Galicie, now Ukraine. The towns might be Zabava, Druzhkopol, or
perhaps Koroczin. Any leads or tips (or even family members!) would be
appreciated.

Stephen Rockower
Searching: ROCKOWER,(RAKOWER, ROKOVER, RAKOVER, etc) SPRITZLER, STEIN,
COLEMAN, SABLOSKY, SHARPE, GOLDENBERG


Re: "early zionist records" #general

NFatouros@...
 

In his message of Feb.1, 2001, Jeff Malka asked where the records early
Romanian settlements (Rosh Pina) in Palestine might be located.

In Derek Penslar's preface to his book "Zionism and Technocracy: The
Engineering of Jewish Settlement in Palestine, 1870-1918" Indiana
University Press, 1991, ISBN0-253-34290-2, he acknowledges his gratitude
to the staffs of Jerusalem's Central Zionist Archive and the Central
Archive of the History of the Jewish People. So I would assume any
extant records of "Rosh Pina' would be located at either one of this
Archives. Their addresses can be found online.

On the Internet I found for Rosh Pina this site:

http://www.rosh-pina.co.il/

which has a click-on button for English and a contact address.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "early zionist records" #general

NFatouros@...
 

In his message of Feb.1, 2001, Jeff Malka asked where the records early
Romanian settlements (Rosh Pina) in Palestine might be located.

In Derek Penslar's preface to his book "Zionism and Technocracy: The
Engineering of Jewish Settlement in Palestine, 1870-1918" Indiana
University Press, 1991, ISBN0-253-34290-2, he acknowledges his gratitude
to the staffs of Jerusalem's Central Zionist Archive and the Central
Archive of the History of the Jewish People. So I would assume any
extant records of "Rosh Pina' would be located at either one of this
Archives. Their addresses can be found online.

On the Internet I found for Rosh Pina this site:

http://www.rosh-pina.co.il/

which has a click-on button for English and a contact address.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY, Odessa, Berdichev; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SHUTZ, SCHUTZ,
Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;SAS, Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol; BEHAM,
Salok, Kharkov.