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KRONSTEIN, WEISS, GOLDBERGER, FREUND, GELBKOPF, WEISSMANN, KOHN, SCHREIBER, STERN, NEUMANN-CSATO #hungary

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <wolf_erich_eckstein@...>
 

My list:
KRONSTEIN - Turdossin, Com. Arva, later Versecz, Com. Temes, later Vienna
WEISS, GOLDBERGER - Leva/Lewentz/Levice, later Budapest
FREUND, GELBKOPF - Magyarfalu/Ungereiden/Uhorska Ves, Budapest, Velky Meder
WEISSMANN - Detrekocsutortok/Zankendorf/Plavecky Stvrtok
KOHN - Nagymagsfalu/Hochstetten/Vysoka pri Mor.
SCHREIBER, STERN - Bazin/Boesing/Pezinok
NEUMANN/CSATO - Budapest, Vienna, Berlin

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA


Researching : Osijek, NagyKanizsa, Varazdin, Vienna #hungary

Tsvi Sinai <t_sinai1@...>
 

I am researching the following:

LEITNER - Osijek (Croatia

STERN - NagyKanizsa - Hungary

ERLICH - Varazdin - Croatia

STERN - Vienna - Austria

SZANTO/SZANTOS - Vienna - Austria

REDLICH - Vienna - Austria

ADLER - NagyKanizsa, Budapest - Hungary

KNLOPFLER - NagyhKanizsa - Hungary


Regards,

Tsvi Sinai, Givatayim, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary KRONSTEIN, WEISS, GOLDBERGER, FREUND, GELBKOPF, WEISSMANN, KOHN, SCHREIBER, STERN, NEUMANN-CSATO #hungary

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <wolf_erich_eckstein@...>
 

My list:
KRONSTEIN - Turdossin, Com. Arva, later Versecz, Com. Temes, later Vienna
WEISS, GOLDBERGER - Leva/Lewentz/Levice, later Budapest
FREUND, GELBKOPF - Magyarfalu/Ungereiden/Uhorska Ves, Budapest, Velky Meder
WEISSMANN - Detrekocsutortok/Zankendorf/Plavecky Stvrtok
KOHN - Nagymagsfalu/Hochstetten/Vysoka pri Mor.
SCHREIBER, STERN - Bazin/Boesing/Pezinok
NEUMANN/CSATO - Budapest, Vienna, Berlin

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Researching : Osijek, NagyKanizsa, Varazdin, Vienna #hungary

Tsvi Sinai <t_sinai1@...>
 

I am researching the following:

LEITNER - Osijek (Croatia

STERN - NagyKanizsa - Hungary

ERLICH - Varazdin - Croatia

STERN - Vienna - Austria

SZANTO/SZANTOS - Vienna - Austria

REDLICH - Vienna - Austria

ADLER - NagyKanizsa, Budapest - Hungary

KNLOPFLER - NagyhKanizsa - Hungary


Regards,

Tsvi Sinai, Givatayim, Israel


Transport information to and from Theresienstadt #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Perhaps information >from the Terezin Initiative Institute (TII) has
already been posted, but for those who are interested, this web site
contains information on transports to and >from Theresienstadt:
www.terezinstudies.cz.
Besides the transport data, this web site gives much more information that
I have not as yet explored.

from records compiled by the International Tracing Service, I knew that my
uncle and his wife were transported >from Sered to Theresienstadt in
December, 1944. The information >from TII, additionally indicated the number
of the transport (XXVI/I), the exact day of arrival to the camp (26
December 1944), and the number of deportees on that transport (416).

Fortunately, my uncle and his wife survived and were liberated on 9 May 1945.

I found out about the TII web site through my membership with the
Theresienstadt Martyrs Remembrance Association: http://www.bterezin.org.il.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, North Carolina
USA


Researching: SCHOENBERG, LOEWY, SCHWARZ, PALLAK, RESCH, INQUART,--VICKART #hungary

E. Randol Schoenberg <randols@...>
 

I am researching my SCHOENBERG and LOEWY branches >from Szecseny, Nogrod
County, Hungary who passed through Bratislava on the way to Vienna.

Also SCHWARZ who went >from Pezinok (Boesing, Bazin), Slovakia to Vienna and
PALLAK >from Bratislava.

Also now the family of my gg-grandmother Karolina INQUART (b. 1860
Budapest), who may or may not have Jewish ancestors. Supposedly Karolina
was not Jewish, but her mother Irma RESCH re-married a man named Alfred
KRONEGG, who was originally Adolf KOHN, and Karolina was married off at age
15 in a Viennese civil ceremony to Alfred's Jewish first cousin Theodor
HOFFMANN. Irma RESCH was born in Kula, Hungary (now Croatia?) in 1839 and
her mother's maiden name was VICKART (a name that I can't find anywhere).

Any suggestions?

E. Randol Schoenberg
Los Angeles, California
randols@primenet.com
http://www.primenet.com/~randols
randols@schoenberglaw.com
http://www.schoenberglaw.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Transport information to and from Theresienstadt #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Perhaps information >from the Terezin Initiative Institute (TII) has
already been posted, but for those who are interested, this web site
contains information on transports to and >from Theresienstadt:
www.terezinstudies.cz.
Besides the transport data, this web site gives much more information that
I have not as yet explored.

from records compiled by the International Tracing Service, I knew that my
uncle and his wife were transported >from Sered to Theresienstadt in
December, 1944. The information >from TII, additionally indicated the number
of the transport (XXVI/I), the exact day of arrival to the camp (26
December 1944), and the number of deportees on that transport (416).

Fortunately, my uncle and his wife survived and were liberated on 9 May 1945.

I found out about the TII web site through my membership with the
Theresienstadt Martyrs Remembrance Association: http://www.bterezin.org.il.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, North Carolina
USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Researching: SCHOENBERG, LOEWY, SCHWARZ, PALLAK, RESCH, INQUART,--VICKART #hungary

E. Randol Schoenberg <randols@...>
 

I am researching my SCHOENBERG and LOEWY branches >from Szecseny, Nogrod
County, Hungary who passed through Bratislava on the way to Vienna.

Also SCHWARZ who went >from Pezinok (Boesing, Bazin), Slovakia to Vienna and
PALLAK >from Bratislava.

Also now the family of my gg-grandmother Karolina INQUART (b. 1860
Budapest), who may or may not have Jewish ancestors. Supposedly Karolina
was not Jewish, but her mother Irma RESCH re-married a man named Alfred
KRONEGG, who was originally Adolf KOHN, and Karolina was married off at age
15 in a Viennese civil ceremony to Alfred's Jewish first cousin Theodor
HOFFMANN. Irma RESCH was born in Kula, Hungary (now Croatia?) in 1839 and
her mother's maiden name was VICKART (a name that I can't find anywhere).

Any suggestions?

E. Randol Schoenberg
Los Angeles, California
randols@primenet.com
http://www.primenet.com/~randols
randols@schoenberglaw.com
http://www.schoenberglaw.com


Re: searching for Myron MOMRYK of JGS Society LI-RA-MA #general

Barbara S Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Sent off earlier answer to this query before checking my favorite search
engine: Google. (www.google.com) Google usually comes through with more
leads than the others, at least for me.

There are many references to Myron Momryk.
He is/was head archivist for
Multicultural Archives Program Manuscript Division

Canadian National Archives
395 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1A ON4
CANADA

TEL 613 996-7288,
FAX 613 943-8112


Barbara Stern Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

----- Original Message -----
From: Saul Goldstone <sgoldsto@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: searching for Myron MOMRYK of JGS Society LI-RA-MA


Mr Myron MOMRYK
The Jewish Genealogical Society LI-RA-MA
Collection of Greater Washington Public Archives Canada
Russian Consular Records Project 395
Wellington Street PO Box Ottowa Ontario
Vienna VA 22180 Canada K1A 0N3 USA

Can anyone give me his correct address ..... physical or email?
MODERATOR NOTE: The earlier message was not posted because it contained
a private address and telephone number.


INS saga part II #general

A. E. Jordan
 

First thanks to everyone who wrote to me about the INS. I am trying to sort
through the mail and on top of everything it appears AOL mailed had a
problem last night. I did not see my own messages -- and hopefully I did
get everyone who was kind enough to write to me.

While I am sorting though all your advice on how to proceed -- or words of
encouragement -- I also took a flyer today and decided to call the phone
number the INS gave me on the letter. I had to leave a message and figured
that would be the last of it. Maybe an hour later a very nice woman >from
INS called me back and chatted with me for a good five minutes about my
problem and offering encouragement -- if not advice -- on what to do next.
She suggested sending them back the form they sent for the wrong person and
also refilling the request with any additional back up -- like copies of the
Census page, etc. Bad news is that I will have at least another three month
wait. She commented "We are doing good now -- it was taking a year."

Well I don't know if I will find my missing Goodman COHN but she did tell me
two other things. Before 1922 the wife was automatically naturalized with
the husband, so she will not have forms of her own AND I have a second
request in for another family member named Nicholas TOW and she told me
today that they have found the forms and I will be getting something in the
mail soon. So one good piece of news. Clearly the INS has a computer where
they are taking the requests and know everything that is going on with the
modern requests. A shame they wouldn't let us have some more access to the
historical records ourselves.

Well again thanks to everyone who wrote me. I have lots of interesting
reading ahead.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: searching for Myron MOMRYK of JGS Society LI-RA-MA #general

Barbara S Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Sent off earlier answer to this query before checking my favorite search
engine: Google. (www.google.com) Google usually comes through with more
leads than the others, at least for me.

There are many references to Myron Momryk.
He is/was head archivist for
Multicultural Archives Program Manuscript Division

Canadian National Archives
395 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1A ON4
CANADA

TEL 613 996-7288,
FAX 613 943-8112


Barbara Stern Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

----- Original Message -----
From: Saul Goldstone <sgoldsto@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: searching for Myron MOMRYK of JGS Society LI-RA-MA


Mr Myron MOMRYK
The Jewish Genealogical Society LI-RA-MA
Collection of Greater Washington Public Archives Canada
Russian Consular Records Project 395
Wellington Street PO Box Ottowa Ontario
Vienna VA 22180 Canada K1A 0N3 USA

Can anyone give me his correct address ..... physical or email?
MODERATOR NOTE: The earlier message was not posted because it contained
a private address and telephone number.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen INS saga part II #general

A. E. Jordan
 

First thanks to everyone who wrote to me about the INS. I am trying to sort
through the mail and on top of everything it appears AOL mailed had a
problem last night. I did not see my own messages -- and hopefully I did
get everyone who was kind enough to write to me.

While I am sorting though all your advice on how to proceed -- or words of
encouragement -- I also took a flyer today and decided to call the phone
number the INS gave me on the letter. I had to leave a message and figured
that would be the last of it. Maybe an hour later a very nice woman >from
INS called me back and chatted with me for a good five minutes about my
problem and offering encouragement -- if not advice -- on what to do next.
She suggested sending them back the form they sent for the wrong person and
also refilling the request with any additional back up -- like copies of the
Census page, etc. Bad news is that I will have at least another three month
wait. She commented "We are doing good now -- it was taking a year."

Well I don't know if I will find my missing Goodman COHN but she did tell me
two other things. Before 1922 the wife was automatically naturalized with
the husband, so she will not have forms of her own AND I have a second
request in for another family member named Nicholas TOW and she told me
today that they have found the forms and I will be getting something in the
mail soon. So one good piece of news. Clearly the INS has a computer where
they are taking the requests and know everything that is going on with the
modern requests. A shame they wouldn't let us have some more access to the
historical records ourselves.

Well again thanks to everyone who wrote me. I have lots of interesting
reading ahead.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


Re: Cercle de Genealogie Juive Finds Relatives #general

Bernard Goben <goben@...>
 

Would you kindly sent me e-mail address of the Cercle de Gen. Juive in Paris.
Many thanks in advance Bernard Goben
MODERATOR NOTE: If you go to the JewishGen InfoFiles at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/> and click on "France", you will
find a link the the Cercle's website.


Re: Arrived at Port of New York from Montreal #general

Liz G. Whittaker <jawhittaker@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Palmer <mpalmer@neca.com>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: Sunday, February 04, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Arrived at Port of New York >from Montreal


Am looking for ship's records for my uncle. In his Petition for
Naturalization he says that he emigrated to the United States from
Montreal, Canada on March 13, 1900 and arrived in the US at the port of
"New York" on the 15th. (He could not remember the name of the ship.)
Where, to what port, would a ship >from Montreal in 1900 have taken him
in "New York"? Ellis Island? And how might I find his ship's records?
Thank you.

Michael Palmer e-mail mpalmer@neca.com
Mansfield/Storrs Connecticut, USA

Dear Michael,
My grandfather took a boat >from Liverpool, England, to Quebec City,
Canada. The next day he took a train to New York City. This info. was in his
naturalization records. He came here >from Rumania in Sept. 1900.
I went to the NARA in Pittsfield, MA, and found the St. Albans index
card which said his ship was the Lake Champlain. Then I was able to find his
passenger list.

If you send me your mailing address, I can send you some pictures
of the building where the Palmer Bros. store was on Main St. in Middletown.
I lost your e-mail address for a while.

Liz Whittaker
Middletown, CT
jawhittaker@snet.net


KRU/GROWER >from Dorohoi, Rumania to Middletown, CT (1900 , 1903)
BRONSTEIN >from Medzhibozh, Russia to Hartford, CT (1903, 1908, 1909)


Re: Experience with INS or naturalization records #general

Sally Hohensee <hohensees@...>
 

Re: Allan Jordan's Feb. 4 message,
Recently I received naturalization records >from the INS for my
great-grandfather, Abe Lieb Feigenbaum. It took almost 4 months. I had
located him on a microfilm index at a local Family History Library. Also at
the same time I received a letter >from the INS, similar to yours, for
another relative, Aron Louis Gelbsman. The letter states that some files
are missing, and says I can appeal.
I work in a federal government legal office, which receives Freedom of
Information Act requests >from the public. You always have the right to
appeal, but that would normally pertain to records which you are sure the
government agency has, or which that government agency will not release. If
the records are missing there is no point in appealing.
You might check microfilm index at your Family History Library. Also
see the naturalization database for the Kings County (Brooklyn), New York
court at http://www.nyjgs.org (thanks Sherri, 3 Feb message!)

Don't give up!

Sally Hohensee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Cercle de Genealogie Juive Finds Relatives #general

Bernard Goben <goben@...>
 

Would you kindly sent me e-mail address of the Cercle de Gen. Juive in Paris.
Many thanks in advance Bernard Goben
MODERATOR NOTE: If you go to the JewishGen InfoFiles at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/> and click on "France", you will
find a link the the Cercle's website.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Arrived at Port of New York from Montreal #general

Liz G. Whittaker <jawhittaker@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Palmer <mpalmer@neca.com>
To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: Sunday, February 04, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Arrived at Port of New York >from Montreal


Am looking for ship's records for my uncle. In his Petition for
Naturalization he says that he emigrated to the United States from
Montreal, Canada on March 13, 1900 and arrived in the US at the port of
"New York" on the 15th. (He could not remember the name of the ship.)
Where, to what port, would a ship >from Montreal in 1900 have taken him
in "New York"? Ellis Island? And how might I find his ship's records?
Thank you.

Michael Palmer e-mail mpalmer@neca.com
Mansfield/Storrs Connecticut, USA

Dear Michael,
My grandfather took a boat >from Liverpool, England, to Quebec City,
Canada. The next day he took a train to New York City. This info. was in his
naturalization records. He came here >from Rumania in Sept. 1900.
I went to the NARA in Pittsfield, MA, and found the St. Albans index
card which said his ship was the Lake Champlain. Then I was able to find his
passenger list.

If you send me your mailing address, I can send you some pictures
of the building where the Palmer Bros. store was on Main St. in Middletown.
I lost your e-mail address for a while.

Liz Whittaker
Middletown, CT
jawhittaker@snet.net


KRU/GROWER >from Dorohoi, Rumania to Middletown, CT (1900 , 1903)
BRONSTEIN >from Medzhibozh, Russia to Hartford, CT (1903, 1908, 1909)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Experience with INS or naturalization records #general

Sally Hohensee <hohensees@...>
 

Re: Allan Jordan's Feb. 4 message,
Recently I received naturalization records >from the INS for my
great-grandfather, Abe Lieb Feigenbaum. It took almost 4 months. I had
located him on a microfilm index at a local Family History Library. Also at
the same time I received a letter >from the INS, similar to yours, for
another relative, Aron Louis Gelbsman. The letter states that some files
are missing, and says I can appeal.
I work in a federal government legal office, which receives Freedom of
Information Act requests >from the public. You always have the right to
appeal, but that would normally pertain to records which you are sure the
government agency has, or which that government agency will not release. If
the records are missing there is no point in appealing.
You might check microfilm index at your Family History Library. Also
see the naturalization database for the Kings County (Brooklyn), New York
court at http://www.nyjgs.org (thanks Sherri, 3 Feb message!)

Don't give up!

Sally Hohensee


Re: Experience with INS or Naturalization records? #general

Deborah Dworski <ddworski@...>
 

Hi Allan,
I think you're going to have a very tough time obtaining Naturalization
records for your COHEN relative >from NYC. I have a good amount of
experience applying for these records, and the INS's track record is very
poor when presented with those variables--a common surname in a big city.
Your best bet is to search the NYC naturalization indices yourself. Sounds
as if you did that. Were there any likely candidates? If so, I'd try to go
to the appropriate court and review those particular Petitions to see if you
can pinpoint your relative based on details (such as name of spouse and
children) which are included in the document. If you cannot go in person to
review these records, then a less desirable alternative is to request the
Naturalization records of the most likely candidates >from the INS. This
blind approach is very frustrating and highly inefficient so I'd only bother
if you desperately need some data contained in the Naturalization records.
In other words, it's a sufficient hassle that one has to consider how much
value would be derived >from obtaining the naturalization records. Would it
just be nice to have it or do you really need it (say, to determine your
ancestral shtetl)?

As far as receiving records for the wrong Jennie COHEN >from INS, this is
very common. I think what happens is that there are so many Jennie COHENs
that it seems too daunting a task to find your relative. The searcher just
throws up his/her hands and randomly picks one file to send to you. To give
you some perspective, I have requested on three separate occasions the
Naturalization file for my NYC-dwelling relative, Max SCHOR, which is a far
less common name than Jennie COHEN. In addition, I have Max's precise date
of birth which should really help the INS searchers hone in on the correct
immigrant bearing that name. So far, I have received records for three
different Max SCHORs none of whom is my relative. And even though I've
indicated to the INS that my Max SCHOR was born in Austria, two of the three
files I received were for immigrants who were born in Russia.

The language about filing an appeal is standard. In other words, anytime
the INS does not find records, it notifies you of this option. I have
appealed on occasion with mixed results. Note that if you do appeal, it
takes a long time to receive a response. For me, the average wait has been
about a year.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.

searching:
DIENER (Gorodenka, Ukr); KOFLER; SCHOR (Gorodenka, Ukr); SONNENBLUM; STUPP
SCHAUDER; SCHIEBER; SCHNEID; SOCKEL (Solotwina, Ukr)
DWORSKI; LEVATINSKY; MINSKY; SILVERSTEIN (Raczki, Pol)
BRAMA; BRAUN / BROWN (Rypin, Pol); GRZEBIEN then GESBEN; LOPATKA (Sierpc,
Pol)



Subject: Experience with INS or Naturalization records?
From: Aejordan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:36:14 EST
X-Message-Number: 36

I am at a loss trying to find some naturalization records that would help
me out in my research. Wondering what people have found with the INS --
my luck with them has not been good so far.
...
To make matters more complicated yesterday in the mail the INS sent me
forms for a woman named Jennie COHEN. Goodman COHN's wife was Jennie.
I have looked and looked at this forms and it is not the right woman. The
birth date is ok, but she is Russian and my Jennie was German. This one
lists one child, my Jennie had six. This one says she arrived in 1892, my
Jennie was here in 1890 because I found her on the Police Census for
Manhattan. Also my Jennie was a NATHAN and this woman appears to be a
RATNER.

Now what do I do? Give up on the nautralizations? Appeal to INS? Anyone
have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


Re: Mutel and Shaver #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

A friend of mine's grand parents had the first names of Mutel and Shaver.
He would like to know the English equivilents.
We have a Polish Mordko (Mordechai) who in UK was Mark. A cousin Sophia
in UK was named after grandmother Sheba.

Kirsten Gradel, Denmark