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Kirschbaum: need info #general

encore <encore@...>
 

Seeking relatives of :

Sol Kirschbaum, deceased 4 Aug 1956 at Los Angeles. Wife Sophia
Conheim.
Daughter: Lenore
Sons: Harvey Kirschbaum deceased 22 Jan 1970 at Los Angeles
Norman K. Kirschbaum deceased 14 Jun 1951 at San Francisco

Wolfe Kirschbaum, brother to Sol, born 1864 Germany, wife Rachel, last
known to be living in 1920 in Kansas City.
Sons: Harry Kirschbaum, born Oct 1887, last known to be
living in 1931 in Philadelphia, PA.
Leo Kirschbaum, born Jan 1890, wife Beulah, last known
to be living in 1931 in Kansas City.
Louis Kirschbaum, born May 1987, last known to be
living in 1931 in Kansas City.

Any assistance, contact, or connection will be deeply appreciated.
Thank you.


Neil Stein
Re: child marriages #general

Arlene <aparnes@...>
 

My pgm, b.1872 in Kremenetz, was 15 when married.
Arlene Parnes, Orlando
aparnes@earthlink.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kirschbaum: need info #general

encore <encore@...>
 

Seeking relatives of :

Sol Kirschbaum, deceased 4 Aug 1956 at Los Angeles. Wife Sophia
Conheim.
Daughter: Lenore
Sons: Harvey Kirschbaum deceased 22 Jan 1970 at Los Angeles
Norman K. Kirschbaum deceased 14 Jun 1951 at San Francisco

Wolfe Kirschbaum, brother to Sol, born 1864 Germany, wife Rachel, last
known to be living in 1920 in Kansas City.
Sons: Harry Kirschbaum, born Oct 1887, last known to be
living in 1931 in Philadelphia, PA.
Leo Kirschbaum, born Jan 1890, wife Beulah, last known
to be living in 1931 in Kansas City.
Louis Kirschbaum, born May 1987, last known to be
living in 1931 in Kansas City.

Any assistance, contact, or connection will be deeply appreciated.
Thank you.


Neil Stein
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: child marriages #general

Arlene <aparnes@...>
 

My pgm, b.1872 in Kremenetz, was 15 when married.
Arlene Parnes, Orlando
aparnes@earthlink.net
Re: belarus digest: February 18, 2001 #belarus

Marion5301@...
 

Subject: World War I and Belarussian Jews

Re: In the Feb. 18 Digest, Neville Lamdan raised the question of why many
Jews disappeared after WW I.

In my husband's family, we were told that at least three people died in
1918-1919 of either flu or typhus, which they said was epidemic in and
around Slutsk at that time. I have no documentation on this--only family
lore.

Marion Diamond
Sherman Oaks, CA

Researching: DIMENT/DIAMANT variations and BRAMNIK >from Slutsk; NOSOWSKI and
RAVITZ/RAWICZ >from Chernigov Gubernia, Ukraine.
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: belarus digest: February 18, 2001 #belarus

Marion5301@...
 

Subject: World War I and Belarussian Jews

Re: In the Feb. 18 Digest, Neville Lamdan raised the question of why many
Jews disappeared after WW I.

In my husband's family, we were told that at least three people died in
1918-1919 of either flu or typhus, which they said was epidemic in and
around Slutsk at that time. I have no documentation on this--only family
lore.

Marion Diamond
Sherman Oaks, CA

Researching: DIMENT/DIAMANT variations and BRAMNIK >from Slutsk; NOSOWSKI and
RAVITZ/RAWICZ >from Chernigov Gubernia, Ukraine.
The name of Chaim #general

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Chaim Manaster asks a question about the combination of Chaim with
other names. I, too, would like an answer. My grandfather's name has
been Nathan on every document I've found. Now, I have his gravestone
interpreted and it says 'Chaim Natan".

Could we get the replies to Chaim Manaster on this discussion group,
please?

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The name of Chaim #general

dorothy rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Chaim Manaster asks a question about the combination of Chaim with
other names. I, too, would like an answer. My grandfather's name has
been Nathan on every document I've found. Now, I have his gravestone
interpreted and it says 'Chaim Natan".

Could we get the replies to Chaim Manaster on this discussion group,
please?

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers New Mexico, USA
Fw: "Mishpoha" #belarus

Leonid Smilovitsky <smilov@...>
 

Dear colleagues!

With great pleasure I want to introduce and stronly recommend you with
the following news. In nowday's Belarus there are only two scolar editions
dedicated to Belarus Jewish History. They are in Russian language:

1. "Evrei Belarusi. Istoria i kultura" (Jews in Belarus. History and
Culture). Collection of scientific articles. Twice a year in Minsk.
First publication was in 1997.
2. "Mishpoha" (Vitebsk). History, Culture, Geneology. First publication
was in 1995, now twice a year.

These magazines are possible to order in USA by means of the East View
Publications,

East View Publications
3020 Harbor Lane North
Minneapolis, MN 55447-5137
tel.: East View Publications
763-550-0961
800-477-1005
fax: 763-559-2931 ÉÌÉ 800-800-3839.

With best wishes,

Leonid Smilovitsky, Ph. D.
Diaspora Research Institute of Tel Aviv University
Belarus SIG #Belarus Fw: "Mishpoha" #belarus

Leonid Smilovitsky <smilov@...>
 

Dear colleagues!

With great pleasure I want to introduce and stronly recommend you with
the following news. In nowday's Belarus there are only two scolar editions
dedicated to Belarus Jewish History. They are in Russian language:

1. "Evrei Belarusi. Istoria i kultura" (Jews in Belarus. History and
Culture). Collection of scientific articles. Twice a year in Minsk.
First publication was in 1997.
2. "Mishpoha" (Vitebsk). History, Culture, Geneology. First publication
was in 1995, now twice a year.

These magazines are possible to order in USA by means of the East View
Publications,

East View Publications
3020 Harbor Lane North
Minneapolis, MN 55447-5137
tel.: East View Publications
763-550-0961
800-477-1005
fax: 763-559-2931 ÉÌÉ 800-800-3839.

With best wishes,

Leonid Smilovitsky, Ph. D.
Diaspora Research Institute of Tel Aviv University
WWI in Belarus #belarus

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

"Behind the Ice Curtain" by Dina Gabel is the story of one Belarussian
Jewish family's misadventures in WWI. [>from Lida, as it happens, hence my
interest]. Affluent merchants, they were
targetted by the new Soviet government when it took over, and ended up
being sent to Siberia. Dina survived to tell the story, but many, many
did not. So to the options list of 'fled to Poland', 'fled east into
Belarus', 'killed as civilian combat casualties', add 'murdered by the
Soviet secret police' & 'exiled to Siberia' -- note that entrepeneurs were
anathema to Communists, but that's just what many Jews were.

Also, some of my Lida relatives ended up in Moscow & St. Petersburg after
WWI. I'm not sure why or how.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI
Belarus SIG #Belarus WWI in Belarus #belarus

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

"Behind the Ice Curtain" by Dina Gabel is the story of one Belarussian
Jewish family's misadventures in WWI. [>from Lida, as it happens, hence my
interest]. Affluent merchants, they were
targetted by the new Soviet government when it took over, and ended up
being sent to Siberia. Dina survived to tell the story, but many, many
did not. So to the options list of 'fled to Poland', 'fled east into
Belarus', 'killed as civilian combat casualties', add 'murdered by the
Soviet secret police' & 'exiled to Siberia' -- note that entrepeneurs were
anathema to Communists, but that's just what many Jews were.

Also, some of my Lida relatives ended up in Moscow & St. Petersburg after
WWI. I'm not sure why or how.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI
Original Name Unknown #general

Rosa3035@...
 

This is a problem that I think must be a common one.

My father left home in the Ukraine at age 12-14, 1887-88, the first of his
family to emmigrate. We think it must have been illegally to avoid the
army draft as there are no passenger records of it. He probably traveled
under an assumed name. (GREENBERG)
About 10 years later, he brought over all the rest of his family, they
also using his asuumed name.
I have used two different Ukranian researchers in the past two years with
absolutely no results using the only name we know, which is why we think
it must be an assumed name. He verbally always said that he came >from Kiev
Gubernia, no other information. His brother's two eldest sons, on their
marriage certificates in NYC state that their birthplace was Kamenitz
Podolsk! No records exist for them in KP. He always told us that after he
left home 1886, he worked in what we call a grocery store in the (a) city.
After arriving NYC, he worked in a grocery store. When he brought his
brother over, he set him up in a Grocery store! In the 1895 issue of Vsia
Rossia, I found three grocery stores, in three different cities in Kiev
Gubernia, all owned by people with the same surname, GRINBERG. No given
names or patrynomics.It is probable that if these were not relatives, then
he might have taken the that name but there is nothing to confirm or deny
it.Is there anyone out there who has a suggestion, or is this a total dead
end?

Nathan GREENBERG
San Diego, CA
OREN from Queens #general

SY PEARLMAN <pearlman@...>
 

In the late 1930's and 1940's my father (Ted Pearlman) had a friend whose
last name was OREN. He was married and had children. I believe that both
men came >from the same town in Byelorus. Does this OREN person ring a bell?
Thanks, Sy of New York(pearlman@cybernex.net)

Researching: PEARLMAN (Bialystok), ETKUS, ROSACHOTSKY, SANDEROVICH,
SEGALOVICH & SKOVRONEK (Lomza,Ciechanowiec,Wysokie Mazowieckie);
KUNOFSKY, LEVINE & KANTROWITZ (Uzda,Nesvizh in Belarus); BERNBACH
& HACKEL (Ulanow,Poland); MUNTZER (Glebowice,Poland); TREITELMAN
& KAMINER (Odessa & Kishinev); KRULL (Warsaw & Otvotsk)
Lithuanian State Historical Archives #general

Saul Goldstone <sgoldsto@...>
 

JewishGeners,

I have been successful in obtaining birth and marriage records >from the
Lithuanian State Historical Archives, but I have never received any death
records. Is this just coincidence, or are there no death records in these
archives?

Thanks,
Saul Goldstone
Saratoga, CA
sgoldsto@ix.netcom.com
Cloning & Genealogy #general

glosonc@...
 

Dear Genners:
As I was watching 20/20 this past Friday on how they expect to have the
first cloned baby by December, I had a momentary panic attack. If cloning
really catches on in the future, how are we who are doing genealogy
supposed to deal with that? What program is out there that will have a
place on our charts say for the clone of our grandfather? What will we
write in for date and place of birth? Lets say someone will be cloning my
grandfather Lefkovits in the year 2005 and my original grandfather was
born in 1893, then at which generation level do I place my cloned
grandfather? In the 21st Century or the 19th? How are we going to
introduce these cloned relatives? Suppose your cloned great-grandmother
who is now 2 years old is out with you at a restaurant and someone says
"what a cute little baby, is that your daughter"? Imagine what it'll be
like when you respond, "no, this is my great-grandmother Regina, cloned."
Well, as you can see I only have questions. Anyone have any ideas on
how Jewish laws will deal with these scenarios? By the way what's the
Hebrew word for clone? I think that as a form of introduction of a cloned
person it will not be enough to say that this is Tzvi ben Jakov Dovid, but
something that will also include the Hebrew word for "the clone." Say,
Tzvi ben Jakov Dovid Ha Clone?
Best Regards,
George Losonci (Tzvi Hersch the original)

MODERATOR NOTE: This message is being posted for the purpose of humor.
Re: February Meeting of the Washington DC JGSGW #general

A. E. Jordan
 

<< The program features Marian Smith, Historian at the Immigration and
Naturalization Service, Washington, D.C. Ms. Smith will take us through
the process she uses to complete genealogy research that involves difficult
family history issues >>


Wondering if anyone took notes at this meeting and they could summarize them
for the group -- or at least me. I have a naturalization problem that I have
been working on for more than 18 months now and may be just maybe something
in this presentation would help me. I am sure I am not alone on this one.

Thanks.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com
GOTTSCHALK, MELCHIOR #general

Stephen G. Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

Eureka!
After years of pestering people named MELCHIOR (because an ancestor was
married to Melchior Salomon MELCHIOR), my cousin Gerhard SONDER and I
have hit paydirt when we finally found Shlomo MELCHIOR in Israel, who
had a beautiful family tree going way back.
Through Shlomo, we also found a son of my second cousin, Julie
STEINBERG, who was the daughter of my grandmother's sister Therese
(Thea) GOTTSCHALK.
Julie's son, Uri, hebraized his name to SHAHAM.
What all of this means is that this Holocaust survivor, who thought he
had no surviving relatives, has suddenly acquired dozens of living
cousins, on several continents.
Meanwhile, thanks to the fact that novelist Paul Erdman used footnotes
in his "The Swiss Account," the Swiss banks have finally revealed the
names of all dormant account holders. My grandmother had an account.
Erdman told me that Nahum Goldmann and the World Jewish Congress used
his footnotes to track down the true history. Switzerland had repeatedly
denied that my grandmother ever had an account there.

Searching FRANKENBERG (Bigge-Olsberg and Montreal), HIRSCH (Berlin and
Dortmund), MEYER (Berlin, Provinz Posen), SCHLESINGER (Berlin),
GOTTSCHALK (stemming >from Orsoy near Moers), LEWIN (Neuenrade), ELSBACH
(Erwitte), BIERMAN (Amsterdam), STEINBERG (Dortmund), HERZ or HERZSOHN
(Neuenrade)
--
Stephen G. Esrati
Shaker Heights, OH
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Original Name Unknown #general

Rosa3035@...
 

This is a problem that I think must be a common one.

My father left home in the Ukraine at age 12-14, 1887-88, the first of his
family to emmigrate. We think it must have been illegally to avoid the
army draft as there are no passenger records of it. He probably traveled
under an assumed name. (GREENBERG)
About 10 years later, he brought over all the rest of his family, they
also using his asuumed name.
I have used two different Ukranian researchers in the past two years with
absolutely no results using the only name we know, which is why we think
it must be an assumed name. He verbally always said that he came >from Kiev
Gubernia, no other information. His brother's two eldest sons, on their
marriage certificates in NYC state that their birthplace was Kamenitz
Podolsk! No records exist for them in KP. He always told us that after he
left home 1886, he worked in what we call a grocery store in the (a) city.
After arriving NYC, he worked in a grocery store. When he brought his
brother over, he set him up in a Grocery store! In the 1895 issue of Vsia
Rossia, I found three grocery stores, in three different cities in Kiev
Gubernia, all owned by people with the same surname, GRINBERG. No given
names or patrynomics.It is probable that if these were not relatives, then
he might have taken the that name but there is nothing to confirm or deny
it.Is there anyone out there who has a suggestion, or is this a total dead
end?

Nathan GREENBERG
San Diego, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen OREN from Queens #general

SY PEARLMAN <pearlman@...>
 

In the late 1930's and 1940's my father (Ted Pearlman) had a friend whose
last name was OREN. He was married and had children. I believe that both
men came >from the same town in Byelorus. Does this OREN person ring a bell?
Thanks, Sy of New York(pearlman@cybernex.net)

Researching: PEARLMAN (Bialystok), ETKUS, ROSACHOTSKY, SANDEROVICH,
SEGALOVICH & SKOVRONEK (Lomza,Ciechanowiec,Wysokie Mazowieckie);
KUNOFSKY, LEVINE & KANTROWITZ (Uzda,Nesvizh in Belarus); BERNBACH
& HACKEL (Ulanow,Poland); MUNTZER (Glebowice,Poland); TREITELMAN
& KAMINER (Odessa & Kishinev); KRULL (Warsaw & Otvotsk)
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