Date   

Re: "Help with Brussels research". #general

Willie Glaser <velvel@...>
 

I suggest you contact: Joods Museum van Deportatie en Verzet,
Goswin de Stassartstraat 153, B - 2800 Mechelen, Belgium.
Tel: (015) 29 06 60, Fax: (015) 29 08 76.
E-mail: pmj@... Internet: http://www.cicb.be
Good luck,
Willie Glaser, St. Laurent Quebec, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Help with Brussels research". #general

Willie Glaser <velvel@...>
 

I suggest you contact: Joods Museum van Deportatie en Verzet,
Goswin de Stassartstraat 153, B - 2800 Mechelen, Belgium.
Tel: (015) 29 06 60, Fax: (015) 29 08 76.
E-mail: pmj@... Internet: http://www.cicb.be
Good luck,
Willie Glaser, St. Laurent Quebec, Canada


JGS Pittsburgh - March Meeting #general

MNewman714@...
 

JGS Pittsburgh will meet on Monday, March 12, 2001. Networking at 7-7:30
p.m with meeting to follow.

Place: Holocaust Center, 5738 Darlington Road

Program: "Research Success Stories" >from members Dorothy Rothbart, Ruth
Saul and Joe Wein. The aim of this program is somewhat of a "Show and Tell"
opportunity, with question and answer period to follow.

Guests are welcome. For further information, please contact
Rae Barent, Sagittaria@....

Julian Falk, President - JulFalk@...

Future Meeting Dates:
Monday, April 16
Monday, May 14
Monday, June 11


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Pittsburgh - March Meeting #general

MNewman714@...
 

JGS Pittsburgh will meet on Monday, March 12, 2001. Networking at 7-7:30
p.m with meeting to follow.

Place: Holocaust Center, 5738 Darlington Road

Program: "Research Success Stories" >from members Dorothy Rothbart, Ruth
Saul and Joe Wein. The aim of this program is somewhat of a "Show and Tell"
opportunity, with question and answer period to follow.

Guests are welcome. For further information, please contact
Rae Barent, Sagittaria@....

Julian Falk, President - JulFalk@...

Future Meeting Dates:
Monday, April 16
Monday, May 14
Monday, June 11


Index versus Record information #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

Another comment which has been made by some of the Shtetl CO-OP
Coordinators when comparing the Index against the actual record information
is the issue of patronymics.

In several towns we have found that the indices, which are prepared by
clerks sometime after the original record were recorded, continue to
identify the family name by the use of patronymics even though the family
had an established surname. This is found long after family surnames were
in common usage. Even in the cases were the family surname is clearly
included in the actual records and /or in the signature of the father on
the bottom of the record, the index only contains the patronymic.

Because many family surnames really are patronymics it is sometimes hard to
identify. As a rule of thumb, when the index pages have too many
patronymic type surnames, I always send the volunteer back to the records
to see if there is any additional information in the actual record.

Hadassah Lipsius
JRI-Poland
Transliteration Coordinator
kesher@...


JRI Poland #Poland Index versus Record information #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

Another comment which has been made by some of the Shtetl CO-OP
Coordinators when comparing the Index against the actual record information
is the issue of patronymics.

In several towns we have found that the indices, which are prepared by
clerks sometime after the original record were recorded, continue to
identify the family name by the use of patronymics even though the family
had an established surname. This is found long after family surnames were
in common usage. Even in the cases were the family surname is clearly
included in the actual records and /or in the signature of the father on
the bottom of the record, the index only contains the patronymic.

Because many family surnames really are patronymics it is sometimes hard to
identify. As a rule of thumb, when the index pages have too many
patronymic type surnames, I always send the volunteer back to the records
to see if there is any additional information in the actual record.

Hadassah Lipsius
JRI-Poland
Transliteration Coordinator
kesher@...


JGS Oregon, March 21st Meeting #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) and the Genealogical Forum
of Oregon invite you to JGSO's special March meeting.

Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:00 pm
Place: Mittleman Jewish Community Center (MJCC)
6651 SW Capitol Highway
Portland, Oregon

This meeting features a presentation on

Attending a Conference
Preparing for the National Genealogical Society Conference
To be held in Portland on 16 -19 May 2001

presented by Ann Leptich

Ann is active in the American Historical Society of Germans >from Russia. She
is a professional genealogist, has attended many conferences and teaches
genealogy courses. She will help you prepare yourself so that you get the
most out of the NGS Conference. Ann will discuss:

* Determining your level of experience
* Matching your needs to the courses offered
* Making substitutions for your topics
* Choosing a speaker you will like
* Applying what you have learned

Ann suggests that you bring a pedigree chart and family group sheet to the
meeting, if possible. At the meeting, she will show you how to use these
documents to greatest advantage.

This event is FREE to ALL Light refreshments will be available. We will NOT
have a shmooze session preceding this meeting.

For more information or questions, call Joan Teller, JGSO Secretart,
503-636-5626, or e-mail rondoctor@...

Don't forget to register for the special JGSO dinner to be held during the
NGS Conference. It is on Wednesday evening, 16 May 2001. Cost is $25 and
registration in advance is required. Our dinner speakers will be Gary
Mokotoff, Publisher of Avotaynu; Hal Bookbinder, Vice President of IAJGS;
and Eileen Polakoff, professional Jewish genealogist and correspondent for
Avotaynu's "Ask the Experts" column. This very special event is one of the
few chances of a lifetime to meet and talk with these international Jewish
genealogy gurus. You don't have to register for the conference to register
for the dinner meeting. Registration information for the dinner and the
Conference are available on JGSO's website.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web site
at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@.... Once you are on the list, you will receive
periodic messages concerning Jewish Genealogy. Your name and e-mail address
will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

The JGSO is a part of the Mittleman Jewish Community Center and is
affiliated with the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS).


ordering tombstone pictures #poland

Micah Males <mmm@...>
 

I ordered pictures of a tombstone >from the Warsaw Jewish Cemetery a while
back. The fellow in charge responded that my $18 check covered a print-out
that I could have gotten off JewishGen & JRI. He said that I should send
another $20 check, made out to him personally, for the picture. I sent it a
while back & haven't heard >from him. I'm not suggesting foul play - just
curious if anyone knows how long it takes for such pictures which I look
forward to receiving.

Thank you very much.

Micah Males


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Oregon, March 21st Meeting #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) and the Genealogical Forum
of Oregon invite you to JGSO's special March meeting.

Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:00 pm
Place: Mittleman Jewish Community Center (MJCC)
6651 SW Capitol Highway
Portland, Oregon

This meeting features a presentation on

Attending a Conference
Preparing for the National Genealogical Society Conference
To be held in Portland on 16 -19 May 2001

presented by Ann Leptich

Ann is active in the American Historical Society of Germans >from Russia. She
is a professional genealogist, has attended many conferences and teaches
genealogy courses. She will help you prepare yourself so that you get the
most out of the NGS Conference. Ann will discuss:

* Determining your level of experience
* Matching your needs to the courses offered
* Making substitutions for your topics
* Choosing a speaker you will like
* Applying what you have learned

Ann suggests that you bring a pedigree chart and family group sheet to the
meeting, if possible. At the meeting, she will show you how to use these
documents to greatest advantage.

This event is FREE to ALL Light refreshments will be available. We will NOT
have a shmooze session preceding this meeting.

For more information or questions, call Joan Teller, JGSO Secretart,
503-636-5626, or e-mail rondoctor@...

Don't forget to register for the special JGSO dinner to be held during the
NGS Conference. It is on Wednesday evening, 16 May 2001. Cost is $25 and
registration in advance is required. Our dinner speakers will be Gary
Mokotoff, Publisher of Avotaynu; Hal Bookbinder, Vice President of IAJGS;
and Eileen Polakoff, professional Jewish genealogist and correspondent for
Avotaynu's "Ask the Experts" column. This very special event is one of the
few chances of a lifetime to meet and talk with these international Jewish
genealogy gurus. You don't have to register for the conference to register
for the dinner meeting. Registration information for the dinner and the
Conference are available on JGSO's website.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web site
at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@.... Once you are on the list, you will receive
periodic messages concerning Jewish Genealogy. Your name and e-mail address
will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

The JGSO is a part of the Mittleman Jewish Community Center and is
affiliated with the International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies (IAJGS).


JRI Poland #Poland ordering tombstone pictures #poland

Micah Males <mmm@...>
 

I ordered pictures of a tombstone >from the Warsaw Jewish Cemetery a while
back. The fellow in charge responded that my $18 check covered a print-out
that I could have gotten off JewishGen & JRI. He said that I should send
another $20 check, made out to him personally, for the picture. I sent it a
while back & haven't heard >from him. I'm not suggesting foul play - just
curious if anyone knows how long it takes for such pictures which I look
forward to receiving.

Thank you very much.

Micah Males


Re: KARPENKUPF, Reijowicz, Poland 1876-1905 #general

HCarl10614 <hcarl10614@...>
 

Need help finding information on Munish (Max) Karpenkupf (Karp) who was born
in Reijowicz, Poland 10 May 1876, son of Ychael (no dates for Ychael). Max
m. Rose Hittleman? wo was born 28 Feb. 1879 in Paline?, Poland. Max
supposedly was in the Russia/Japan War about 1905 & escaped, fled to the
United States where he received his citizenship 12 June 1911 & settled in
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA.
Three children were born in Poland, Lena 1897; Sam 1899 & Charles 1901. Any
additional information on this family in Poland or Europe would be deeply
appreciated.
Helen A. Carlson
Green Bay, Wisconsin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KARPENKUPF, Reijowicz, Poland 1876-1905 #general

HCarl10614 <hcarl10614@...>
 

Need help finding information on Munish (Max) Karpenkupf (Karp) who was born
in Reijowicz, Poland 10 May 1876, son of Ychael (no dates for Ychael). Max
m. Rose Hittleman? wo was born 28 Feb. 1879 in Paline?, Poland. Max
supposedly was in the Russia/Japan War about 1905 & escaped, fled to the
United States where he received his citizenship 12 June 1911 & settled in
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA.
Three children were born in Poland, Lena 1897; Sam 1899 & Charles 1901. Any
additional information on this family in Poland or Europe would be deeply
appreciated.
Helen A. Carlson
Green Bay, Wisconsin


Subject line - references #belarus

SMTakacs@...
 

It is not reasonable to expect that all that is contained in a message
can be discerned >from the subject line. We have become a prolific SIG
and one of the byproducts is that we must read (or even just scan) our
mail to find perhaps another door to additional information. There is
no one answer to this problem. Derivative spellings, geographical
references and dates cannot be signaled in the subject line and if
used alone to cul daily mail, a researcher might miss something
worthwhile inside the message.

We pay a wonderful price for this abundance and I would have it no
other way.

Sharon Musiker Takacs
Houston, Texas

---------------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
You are right -- and wrong <G>
All important information/questions cannot be listed in the subject line!
BUT when the subject line gives no information other than:
"Help needed", "Researching", "Looking for", "Info" .... and the like
(which could be the subject line for all the messages <VBG>
-- then it is so general that if you do not have an abundance of time,
you will skip such messages.
AND the problem is also if we want to catch the attention of someone,
who is *not* receiving the digest or mail-as-it-comes-in but only the
headers. If the subject doesn't catch your interest, then you will not
choose and mart the message for download.
---------------------


Belarus SIG #Belarus Subject line - references #belarus

SMTakacs@...
 

It is not reasonable to expect that all that is contained in a message
can be discerned >from the subject line. We have become a prolific SIG
and one of the byproducts is that we must read (or even just scan) our
mail to find perhaps another door to additional information. There is
no one answer to this problem. Derivative spellings, geographical
references and dates cannot be signaled in the subject line and if
used alone to cul daily mail, a researcher might miss something
worthwhile inside the message.

We pay a wonderful price for this abundance and I would have it no
other way.

Sharon Musiker Takacs
Houston, Texas

---------------------
MODERATOR NOTE:
You are right -- and wrong <G>
All important information/questions cannot be listed in the subject line!
BUT when the subject line gives no information other than:
"Help needed", "Researching", "Looking for", "Info" .... and the like
(which could be the subject line for all the messages <VBG>
-- then it is so general that if you do not have an abundance of time,
you will skip such messages.
AND the problem is also if we want to catch the attention of someone,
who is *not* receiving the digest or mail-as-it-comes-in but only the
headers. If the subject doesn't catch your interest, then you will not
choose and mart the message for download.
---------------------


SCHWARTZ research #hungary

Jeikrem@...
 

I have just joined this SIG and my previous messages have apparently not worked because they were received in HTML instead of plain text. I am trying this alternative to see if this letter gets through. If it does, I will write again with my questions on my Schwartz family >from Hungary.
Thank you and I hope this works.
Jeanne Eikrem


Re: censii after 1867 #hungary

Fleischer Tamas <tfleisch@...>
 

There were population censii practically every tenth year in Hungary
since 1869, but because of the Act of Statistics all the original
questioners that would make possible to identify personal data had to be
destroyed in the 1880 and later cases. So for family research purposes
only the 1869 census data can be used, where available.

Tamas Fleischer, Budapest

Alex Miller írta:


Hello Friends,

I read in reliable source, that national censii took place in Hungary
in 1880, 1890, 1910(Jewish History of Kisvarda--not a Yzkor book)

Does anyone have any knowledge about hteir existence/availabilty?

Best Regards,

Alex Miller


Help please- CAHJP #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Tomer is having some troubles with his e-mail, so I am forwarding this on
his behalf.

Gabi
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear friends,
Last week I've finally visited the Central Archive for the History of the
Jewish
People (CAHJP) in Jerusalem.
I went over the (not computerized) card catalog and made a list of material
which might
Be helpful for us.
Note that I didn't list All the material found for some reasons:
It would have taken me days.
Many was written in German, which I don’t read
* I DID copy info in German which I thought is relevant (as far as I could
understand)
You should also note that I might DIDN’T list some materials, which ARE of
interest
like privet KETUBOT (marriage contracts) etc. though I did tried not to
miss these thing.
So if you are able to get to the archives for another search -it will be
the best (also
because they probably acquire new thing).
I'll use some abbreviations:
- the CHEVRA KADISHA (burial society) book = CKB
- the Synagogue book (with order of sitting places etc..) = SB
- Community book = CB
- MOHEL book (circumciser book) = MB
Here is the list for Slovakian, Czech and Hungarian records:
1) DeutschKreuz 1. CKB 1849-1938
2) Boskovice 1. SB 1814-1841
2. CB
1741-1780
3) Bratislava 1. U:berreste aus dem
gemeindearchiv von Pressburg (18-19 centuris)
2. Stammbaum
des JOSEF FICSHER in TYRNAU

Erinnerungen (1872-) 1891-1902
4) Breclav 1. SB 1855
2. CKB 1870-1906
5)Brno 1. A customs receipt of
Shimshon Eybshitz
6) Dolni Kounice 1. CKB 1858
7) Golcuv Jenikov 1. Rechnungsbuch der Israelitische
schule
2. few pages with
matrikals : 1897-1921; Yahrzeit 1847-189
8) Holesov 1. Documents of the ERLICH
family.
9) Kutenplan Bei Marienbad 1. Cemetery photos
10) Kounice 1. CKB
1721-1858
11) Nove Mesto n. Vahom 1. CKB 1845
12) Nachod 1. The MAUTNER
family 1786-1997
13) Nove Zamki 1. Uberreste der
aktander kultusgemeinde: …..listen… 1879-1950
14) Novy Kolin 1. MB 1771-1819
15) Prostejov 1. Copies of
tombstones marks (or inscriptions?) until the 18th century.
2. SB
17-18 centuries
3. CKB 1705-1773; 1725
16) Trebic 1. CB 1803
2. CKB 1837
17) Trnava 1. Tombstones inscriptions
(>from the local library)
18)Turka - Luka 1. CKB 1899
19) Usov 1. Genealogy of the LOWY
family (early 18th century)
20) Verbo (Vrbove) 1. SB 1777-1844
21) Volyne 1. Autobiographical notes of Dr.
LEDERER with genealogical lists 1974
22) Zaluzany 1. 3 photos of tombstones 1973

23) Rousinov (Neu-Raussnitz , I believe) :

CKB 1701
SB 1701-1852
CB 1701; 1899, 1930
Correspondance 1808-1890
Militardienst 1840
Familien - Anzahl der Jud. Gemeinde (18-19 cen.)
Grundbuch mit namensregister (18-19 cen.)
…..families….1781
9. Competentenbuch 1809

24) Beled 1. Birth records
1886-1895; Death records 1890-1
25) Gajar 1. MB 1843-1883
26) Nagy - Kanizsa 1. CKB 1792-1906
27) Sopron 1. A Soproni Zsido temetok
to:rtenete
28) Nadas (today Trstin) 1. A birth certificate of Max
ERLICH, son of the rabbi Jacob Erlich.
29) Cliscauti (in Besarabia) 1. The GERSTEIN family
* Regarding PRAGUE - there were MANY records but, as far as I could see,
the source for all
was the Jewish museum.
Regarding the private documents >from Prague, here is a list of SOME of the
families whose
Documents can be found there: GERSTEL, TAUSSIG, WEIL, REACH, PORGES,
ZAPPERT
and WELTSCH. There is also genealogy of the KNINA family.
Some of the above mentioned material was >from Czech Museums. (Brno Museum
If I'm not mistaken).

Hope it helps,
Tomer Brunner, Israel.
(If any comments - please reply to both tomerbr@... and
tomertomer22@...)

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Hungary SIG #Hungary SCHWARTZ research #hungary

Jeikrem@...
 

I have just joined this SIG and my previous messages have apparently not worked because they were received in HTML instead of plain text. I am trying this alternative to see if this letter gets through. If it does, I will write again with my questions on my Schwartz family >from Hungary.
Thank you and I hope this works.
Jeanne Eikrem


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: censii after 1867 #hungary

Fleischer Tamas <tfleisch@...>
 

There were population censii practically every tenth year in Hungary
since 1869, but because of the Act of Statistics all the original
questioners that would make possible to identify personal data had to be
destroyed in the 1880 and later cases. So for family research purposes
only the 1869 census data can be used, where available.

Tamas Fleischer, Budapest

Alex Miller írta:


Hello Friends,

I read in reliable source, that national censii took place in Hungary
in 1880, 1890, 1910(Jewish History of Kisvarda--not a Yzkor book)

Does anyone have any knowledge about hteir existence/availabilty?

Best Regards,

Alex Miller


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fwd: Help please- CAHJP #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Tomer is having some troubles with his e-mail, so I am forwarding this on
his behalf.

Gabi
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear friends,
Last week I've finally visited the Central Archive for the History of the
Jewish
People (CAHJP) in Jerusalem.
I went over the (not computerized) card catalog and made a list of material
which might
Be helpful for us.
Note that I didn't list All the material found for some reasons:
It would have taken me days.
Many was written in German, which I don’t read
* I DID copy info in German which I thought is relevant (as far as I could
understand)
You should also note that I might DIDN’T list some materials, which ARE of
interest
like privet KETUBOT (marriage contracts) etc. though I did tried not to
miss these thing.
So if you are able to get to the archives for another search -it will be
the best (also
because they probably acquire new thing).
I'll use some abbreviations:
- the CHEVRA KADISHA (burial society) book = CKB
- the Synagogue book (with order of sitting places etc..) = SB
- Community book = CB
- MOHEL book (circumciser book) = MB
Here is the list for Slovakian, Czech and Hungarian records:
1) DeutschKreuz 1. CKB 1849-1938
2) Boskovice 1. SB 1814-1841
2. CB
1741-1780
3) Bratislava 1. U:berreste aus dem
gemeindearchiv von Pressburg (18-19 centuris)
2. Stammbaum
des JOSEF FICSHER in TYRNAU

Erinnerungen (1872-) 1891-1902
4) Breclav 1. SB 1855
2. CKB 1870-1906
5)Brno 1. A customs receipt of
Shimshon Eybshitz
6) Dolni Kounice 1. CKB 1858
7) Golcuv Jenikov 1. Rechnungsbuch der Israelitische
schule
2. few pages with
matrikals : 1897-1921; Yahrzeit 1847-189
8) Holesov 1. Documents of the ERLICH
family.
9) Kutenplan Bei Marienbad 1. Cemetery photos
10) Kounice 1. CKB
1721-1858
11) Nove Mesto n. Vahom 1. CKB 1845
12) Nachod 1. The MAUTNER
family 1786-1997
13) Nove Zamki 1. Uberreste der
aktander kultusgemeinde: …..listen… 1879-1950
14) Novy Kolin 1. MB 1771-1819
15) Prostejov 1. Copies of
tombstones marks (or inscriptions?) until the 18th century.
2. SB
17-18 centuries
3. CKB 1705-1773; 1725
16) Trebic 1. CB 1803
2. CKB 1837
17) Trnava 1. Tombstones inscriptions
(>from the local library)
18)Turka - Luka 1. CKB 1899
19) Usov 1. Genealogy of the LOWY
family (early 18th century)
20) Verbo (Vrbove) 1. SB 1777-1844
21) Volyne 1. Autobiographical notes of Dr.
LEDERER with genealogical lists 1974
22) Zaluzany 1. 3 photos of tombstones 1973

23) Rousinov (Neu-Raussnitz , I believe) :

CKB 1701
SB 1701-1852
CB 1701; 1899, 1930
Correspondance 1808-1890
Militardienst 1840
Familien - Anzahl der Jud. Gemeinde (18-19 cen.)
Grundbuch mit namensregister (18-19 cen.)
…..families….1781
9. Competentenbuch 1809

24) Beled 1. Birth records
1886-1895; Death records 1890-1
25) Gajar 1. MB 1843-1883
26) Nagy - Kanizsa 1. CKB 1792-1906
27) Sopron 1. A Soproni Zsido temetok
to:rtenete
28) Nadas (today Trstin) 1. A birth certificate of Max
ERLICH, son of the rabbi Jacob Erlich.
29) Cliscauti (in Besarabia) 1. The GERSTEIN family
* Regarding PRAGUE - there were MANY records but, as far as I could see,
the source for all
was the Jewish museum.
Regarding the private documents >from Prague, here is a list of SOME of the
families whose
Documents can be found there: GERSTEL, TAUSSIG, WEIL, REACH, PORGES,
ZAPPERT
and WELTSCH. There is also genealogy of the KNINA family.
Some of the above mentioned material was >from Czech Museums. (Brno Museum
If I'm not mistaken).

Hope it helps,
Tomer Brunner, Israel.
(If any comments - please reply to both tomerbr@... and
tomertomer22@...)

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