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Tracing the Levinson/Bloom Family #lithuania

Elya B. Joffe <ebj@...>
 

Dear all,

I am trying to track family, originally >from Lithuania, named Levinson (three sisters: Rose, Ethel, Rae), who imigrated to South Africa in the turn of the Century (1900), and since - lived in Kimberley, South Africa.

My Grandmother, Rose, married with Elias Bloom, probably in Kimberley, and lived there until the 1960s (early) then immigrated to Israel. Rose was very active in WIZO in Kimberley, and to the best of my knowledge, was also a certified accountant.

Her Daughter, Faiga, my Late Mother (later to become Joffe, by marriage), and her Son, Myer, immigrated to Israel. Another Son, Phillip, was killed in a road accident in Israel, 1948.

I am seeking any information on the sources of the Family, my ancestors, >from either Bloom or Levinson.

I would be graetful to receive any information, photos, or any other data on the Family.

PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY.

Elya B. Joffe
Kfar-Sava, Israel
<ebj@netvision.net.il>

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Tracing the Levinson/Bloom Family #lithuania

Elya B. Joffe <ebj@...>
 

Dear all,

I am trying to track family, originally >from Lithuania, named Levinson (three sisters: Rose, Ethel, Rae), who imigrated to South Africa in the turn of the Century (1900), and since - lived in Kimberley, South Africa.

My Grandmother, Rose, married with Elias Bloom, probably in Kimberley, and lived there until the 1960s (early) then immigrated to Israel. Rose was very active in WIZO in Kimberley, and to the best of my knowledge, was also a certified accountant.

Her Daughter, Faiga, my Late Mother (later to become Joffe, by marriage), and her Son, Myer, immigrated to Israel. Another Son, Phillip, was killed in a road accident in Israel, 1948.

I am seeking any information on the sources of the Family, my ancestors, >from either Bloom or Levinson.

I would be graetful to receive any information, photos, or any other data on the Family.

PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY.

Elya B. Joffe
Kfar-Sava, Israel
<ebj@netvision.net.il>

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Shelomo / Sholom #belarus

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

In doing further research I have found that both Sholom and Shlomo mean
"man of peace". Does that mean the names are the same? If so, then the two
men could not be brothers.
These names may have an etymologigic connection, but they are
different names. WE have examples of brothers named Israel and
Jacob, even tho they refer to the same biblical person. We also have
sisters Cipora and Feige, which are really the same. (No, neither died
young.)

Israel Pickholtz


Belarus SIG #Belarus Shelomo / Sholom #belarus

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

In doing further research I have found that both Sholom and Shlomo mean
"man of peace". Does that mean the names are the same? If so, then the two
men could not be brothers.
These names may have an etymologigic connection, but they are
different names. WE have examples of brothers named Israel and
Jacob, even tho they refer to the same biblical person. We also have
sisters Cipora and Feige, which are really the same. (No, neither died
young.)

Israel Pickholtz


"Jack" Equivalent #belarus

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

We have a cousin (died 1904 at age 26) of my gf, who was referred to
as Jake. My cousin where he lived recently replaced his disintegrated
headstone and wrote Yaacov. We just found his European birth
record. His name was Jachiel.

Life is like that.

Israel Pickholtz


Belarus SIG #Belarus "Jack" Equivalent #belarus

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

We have a cousin (died 1904 at age 26) of my gf, who was referred to
as Jake. My cousin where he lived recently replaced his disintegrated
headstone and wrote Yaacov. We just found his European birth
record. His name was Jachiel.

Life is like that.

Israel Pickholtz


naturalization #belarus

Lauglick@...
 

I have a question that I hope someone can help with. I sent to
the National Archives for the naturalization papers of my maternal
grandfather, Phillip Goldstein (nee Blinder) and maternal grandmother,
Lena Greenfield Goldstein. Nothing came up.

Now, I am wondering if Lena could have been naturalized on her parents'
citizenship papers and, if so, would that information be available
somewhere. I am aware that wives received citizenship automatically
with their husbands, so if Phillip never received his citizenship, then
the only way that Lena would have obtained hers is either on her own,
which did not seem to have happened, or through her parents.

Also, since my maternal grandparents were married in Brooklyn, NY in
the late 1890's, is there any way that I could obtain a marriage
license/date. I do not even have a copy of the ketubah, which I am
sure is long gone, so I do not know the shul in which they were married,
or even the name of the rabbi who officiated.

I feel as though I am at a dead end here. Any suggestions or assistance
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks much.

Laurie Glicklin Sussman
researching:
GREENFIELD/DASHEFF/JANKOFF >from Berdichev
GOLDSTEIN/BLINDER >from "Russian Poland"
GLICKLIN/GLICKIN/GLIKIN >from Shklov, Bykhov, Korma and Moscow
LEVINE/possibly KRINSKY >from Belarus


Belarus Shtetl Burial Societies in NY #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

The JGS of NY's database of Burial Societies in the New York
Metropolitan
Area is now on-line at <http://www.jgsny.org/database/searchcity.htm>.
Check out the burial society name and cemetery location for your
ancestral Belarus shtetl or town.

Please be sure to read the Introduction and FAQs first. If you are
having trouble finding where a lost relative might be buried, this
database may help you.

Dave

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus naturalization #belarus

Lauglick@...
 

I have a question that I hope someone can help with. I sent to
the National Archives for the naturalization papers of my maternal
grandfather, Phillip Goldstein (nee Blinder) and maternal grandmother,
Lena Greenfield Goldstein. Nothing came up.

Now, I am wondering if Lena could have been naturalized on her parents'
citizenship papers and, if so, would that information be available
somewhere. I am aware that wives received citizenship automatically
with their husbands, so if Phillip never received his citizenship, then
the only way that Lena would have obtained hers is either on her own,
which did not seem to have happened, or through her parents.

Also, since my maternal grandparents were married in Brooklyn, NY in
the late 1890's, is there any way that I could obtain a marriage
license/date. I do not even have a copy of the ketubah, which I am
sure is long gone, so I do not know the shul in which they were married,
or even the name of the rabbi who officiated.

I feel as though I am at a dead end here. Any suggestions or assistance
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks much.

Laurie Glicklin Sussman
researching:
GREENFIELD/DASHEFF/JANKOFF >from Berdichev
GOLDSTEIN/BLINDER >from "Russian Poland"
GLICKLIN/GLICKIN/GLIKIN >from Shklov, Bykhov, Korma and Moscow
LEVINE/possibly KRINSKY >from Belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Shtetl Burial Societies in NY #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

The JGS of NY's database of Burial Societies in the New York
Metropolitan
Area is now on-line at <http://www.jgsny.org/database/searchcity.htm>.
Check out the burial society name and cemetery location for your
ancestral Belarus shtetl or town.

Please be sure to read the Introduction and FAQs first. If you are
having trouble finding where a lost relative might be buried, this
database may help you.

Dave

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD USA


Researching Families From Galszecs, Rohoncz, and Ungvar #hungary

martin swartz <mmswartz@...>
 

I am researching the following family members:

KARFUNKEL and KEMENY >from Galszecs (today Secovce, Slovakia)
ROSENBAUM and KARFUNKEL >from Ungvar (today Uzhorod, Ukraine)
HOFMANN >from Rohoncz (today Rechnitz, Austria)

Also researching (not Hungarian cities):
BIRNBAUM >from Olomouc, Moravia
KOHN, OESTERREICHER >from Vienna

Would welcome any suggestions anyone might have. LHS films on Galszecs and
Rohoncz are already on order; I hope to view them shortly.

Thanks,

Martin B. Swartz
671 Concerto Lane
Silver Spring, MD 20901-5007
mmswartz@worldnet.att.net


Hungary SIG #Hungary Researching Families From Galszecs, Rohoncz, and Ungvar #hungary

martin swartz <mmswartz@...>
 

I am researching the following family members:

KARFUNKEL and KEMENY >from Galszecs (today Secovce, Slovakia)
ROSENBAUM and KARFUNKEL >from Ungvar (today Uzhorod, Ukraine)
HOFMANN >from Rohoncz (today Rechnitz, Austria)

Also researching (not Hungarian cities):
BIRNBAUM >from Olomouc, Moravia
KOHN, OESTERREICHER >from Vienna

Would welcome any suggestions anyone might have. LHS films on Galszecs and
Rohoncz are already on order; I hope to view them shortly.

Thanks,

Martin B. Swartz
671 Concerto Lane
Silver Spring, MD 20901-5007
mmswartz@worldnet.att.net


Re: Hungarian Estates #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

It is my understanding that Hungarian nobles held huge estates before
(and possibly in the early part of) the 1900s. I would like to learn
something about the landowner who owned the area at and around Uzhgorod.
There was a family story that one of our Bergidas was a "baron" in
Uzhgorod, but I think that it was more likely that he held an important
job in managing the estate of the actual baron. The possibility of this
is supported by the wealth of this ancestor who came to the USA with
money and very expensive heirlooms (and an intimate knowledge of the
interior of the manor house) in the late 1880s.

Which wealthy Hungarian would I be researching - or how might I
determine who it was?

All help appreciated.
Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian Estates #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

It is my understanding that Hungarian nobles held huge estates before
(and possibly in the early part of) the 1900s. I would like to learn
something about the landowner who owned the area at and around Uzhgorod.
There was a family story that one of our Bergidas was a "baron" in
Uzhgorod, but I think that it was more likely that he held an important
job in managing the estate of the actual baron. The possibility of this
is supported by the wealth of this ancestor who came to the USA with
money and very expensive heirlooms (and an intimate knowledge of the
interior of the manor house) in the late 1880s.

Which wealthy Hungarian would I be researching - or how might I
determine who it was?

All help appreciated.
Debbi


KLEIN, FRIEDMAN, LIPNER & HARTSTEIN #hungary

Barbara & Steve Wasser <swass@...>
 

Looking at birth records for uncles born in Beretto (Bretejovce)
Austria/Hungary between 1887 and 1896 we find the following on the
copy of the birth certificate:

Birth Record >from Beretto indicates that the "Christian Parent"
(which we assume means Godparent) was SAMUEL KLEIN. (This
documentation is noted for Alexander HARTSTEIN, b. 1887 and Oscar
HARTSTEIN, b. 1889.

For Ladislav HARTSTEIN, b. 1890 we have: Birth Record >from Beretto
indicates that the "Christian Parent" (which we assume means
Godparent) was Mor LIPNER.

For Eugen HARTSTEIN, b. 1892 we have: Birth Record >from Beretto
indicates that the "Christian Parent" (which we assume means
Godparent) was Jeremias HARTSTEIN.

For Gejza HARTSTEIN, b. 1896 we have: Birth Record >from Beretto
indicates that the "Christian Parent" (which we assume means
Godparent) was Miksa FRIEDMAN.

By the way I have recorded birth of twin girls and there is no
mention of "Christian Parents". I also cannot find the documentation
of the first born or the last born - my father.

If anyone has these names on their tree, would appreciate hearing >from you.

Thanks very much,

Barbara


Names #hungary

nachi keren <nachi_k@...>
 

Here is my list of names:
KRATZ-Sighet,Luh/Tisa-Lunka,Chust/Galicia
FRIED/FRID-Dubova
WEISS/WEISZ-Sighet,Tetch
STEIGER-Sighet,Turka(Galicia)
MARGALIOT/MARGALYOT-Sighet,Turka(Galicia)
INDIG-Giulesht,Nyagova
DAVIDOVITCH/DAVIDOVITZ/DAVIDOVITS-Mramaros
SLOMOVITCH/SHLOMOVITCH/SLOMOVITZ/SHLOMOVITZ-Petrova,Ruskova
STERN-Petrova,Strimtura
Nachi Keren

=====
Nachi Keren-Israel,
*Kratz,Weiss,Steiger >from Sighet.
*Indig,shlomovitz,Stern >from Petrova or Ruskova.

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Hungary SIG #Hungary KLEIN, FRIEDMAN, LIPNER & HARTSTEIN #hungary

Barbara & Steve Wasser <swass@...>
 

Looking at birth records for uncles born in Beretto (Bretejovce)
Austria/Hungary between 1887 and 1896 we find the following on the
copy of the birth certificate:

Birth Record >from Beretto indicates that the "Christian Parent"
(which we assume means Godparent) was SAMUEL KLEIN. (This
documentation is noted for Alexander HARTSTEIN, b. 1887 and Oscar
HARTSTEIN, b. 1889.

For Ladislav HARTSTEIN, b. 1890 we have: Birth Record >from Beretto
indicates that the "Christian Parent" (which we assume means
Godparent) was Mor LIPNER.

For Eugen HARTSTEIN, b. 1892 we have: Birth Record >from Beretto
indicates that the "Christian Parent" (which we assume means
Godparent) was Jeremias HARTSTEIN.

For Gejza HARTSTEIN, b. 1896 we have: Birth Record >from Beretto
indicates that the "Christian Parent" (which we assume means
Godparent) was Miksa FRIEDMAN.

By the way I have recorded birth of twin girls and there is no
mention of "Christian Parents". I also cannot find the documentation
of the first born or the last born - my father.

If anyone has these names on their tree, would appreciate hearing >from you.

Thanks very much,

Barbara


Hungary SIG #Hungary Names #hungary

nachi keren <nachi_k@...>
 

Here is my list of names:
KRATZ-Sighet,Luh/Tisa-Lunka,Chust/Galicia
FRIED/FRID-Dubova
WEISS/WEISZ-Sighet,Tetch
STEIGER-Sighet,Turka(Galicia)
MARGALIOT/MARGALYOT-Sighet,Turka(Galicia)
INDIG-Giulesht,Nyagova
DAVIDOVITCH/DAVIDOVITZ/DAVIDOVITS-Mramaros
SLOMOVITCH/SHLOMOVITCH/SLOMOVITZ/SHLOMOVITZ-Petrova,Ruskova
STERN-Petrova,Strimtura
Nachi Keren

=====
Nachi Keren-Israel,
*Kratz,Weiss,Steiger >from Sighet.
*Indig,shlomovitz,Stern >from Petrova or Ruskova.

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Re: Letters of the Hungarian alphabet #hungary

Leslie Gyi <leslie.gyi@...>
 

As a researcher and computer scientist I have three practical
considerations. I know >from my Hungarian mother that the =
pronunciations of
these letters are distinctly different. Call them what you like, as an
American-born, English speaker, it is difficult for me to reproduce =
these
sounds, hence for Hungarians to understand what few words I do know. =
Same
is true of German. Mom calls them 'milk' languages, to be learned as a

child with much repetition to get pronunciation correct. Implications =
in
the research arena:

1) I can copy/paste the correct Hungarian spellings complete with all
markings even though I have not installed the appropriate character set =
on
my computer. I believe I need to do this as it is the only way to do a
'FIND' or search when using data lists. If you leave off the Hungarian
markings on a word, it is not the same word, to either a Hungarian or a
computer search. I believe the 'alternate' marking systems for these
letters, so that you do not use the original Hungarian, require the =
same
effort to translate, and have no other use than for systems (operating
systems, mail systems, networks) not supporting the character sets, =
hence
are a bad alternative. They require as much effort, but don't have the =
same
payback.

2) Eventually all source data will be Hungarian, or German, or far =
enough
back Latin (or in you are working with Marmaros County it could also be
Ukrainian, Russian, Czech, Romanian). If you wish to find the name of =
a
person or place, you need to know the time period, the location, hence =
the
language, and then the 'correct' spelling including all markings in =
that
language.

3) If you wish to travel to these places you must also know these =
correct
spellings to make yourself understood. Whether you attempt to say it, =
or
take the easy way out, of writing it down for others to read, you need =
the
'correct' original name.

Even with my mom, I spell it all out, as this is the only way she can =
figure
out what I am saying. And please do not ask why it is I do not speak
Hungarian or German with a Hungarian and German speaking mother. It is =
a
rather long and tedious story.

Leslie Gyi nee FEIG


Re: Letters of the Hungarian alphabet #hungary

Gyorgy Ujlaki <ujlaki_gyorgy@...>
 

<html><DIV>From: David and BethLong </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Since no Hungarians have responded to this question so far, I'll tell you
<DIV></DIV>&gt;what I know:
<DIV></DIV>&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt;There are no "accents" or "umlauts" in Hungarian: each of the following
<DIV></DIV>&gt;vowels: o, o, o, o is a separate letter (each with its own unique and
<DIV></DIV>&gt;consistant pronunciation).
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Let me add my thoughts as a Hungarian speaker (in Hong Kong):</P>
<P>letters "a" and "á" (or a' if you can't read the first one properly) are seperate letters</P>
<P>of the Hungarian alphabet in the same way as "b"&nbsp;and "t" are.</P>
<P>The reason for adding "accents" is that Hungarian language, which is of</P>
<P>Finno-Ugric origin, with strong Turkic influence, uses sounds not available</P>
<P>in the Latin alphabet.&nbsp; Presumambly, in the pre-Latin runic Hungarian</P>
<P>writing separate signs denoted each sound.</P>
<P>To write vere'b instead of ve'reb is equally a grammatic mistake, as writing</P>
<P>shit instead of sit.</P>
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