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Re: Israel search techniques needed #general

Louis Zetler <zetler@...>
 

The last I heard about Batya was that she was very ill. I hope that she has
recovered by now. However, I do not think that she is the answer to your
question. I think that you should contact the Ashkenazi Chevra Kadisha in
Jerusalem - Phone +972-2-538-4144

Louis Zetler
President of the Galilee Genealogical Society

Murray and others searching for lost relatives thought to be in Israel:
I have found excellent results thru contacting:

Batya Unterschatz
The Jewish Agency
Search Bureau for Missing Relatives
P.O. Box 92
Jerusalem 91000
Israel


Re: Cantor Joseph Rosenblatt #general

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

I hope that Darlene Sacks unintentionally misspoke in using "infamous" to
describe Cantor Joseph (Yossele) Rosenblatt. I assume she meant to say
"famous". Yossele Rosenblatt (1882-1833) was considered to be the most
popular cantor of the century. In addition to his synagogue and concert
work he was also the the cantor seen and heard in Al Jolson's "Jazz
Singer". Detailed information on his life can be found in the biography
"Yossele Rosenblatt", Farrar, Straus and Young.
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@...


Klichkovichi/Ukraine - RICH/REICH/RAYCH Family #general

Stewart Levy <srlevy@...>
 

I am doing research on my RICH/REICH Family. They all came >from the Kovel,
Ukraine area. Specifically, they came >from Maceijow/Macheyev, Klichkovichi,
and possibly Turisk. I have not found any other relatives other than the
ones we knew of but lost contact with through the years. I have found only
one other Rich family >from the area but we have not been able to find a
connection.

If anyone has any information about this family or may possibly have
connections to this family or these towns, please contact me. I would also
like to know if anyone is familiar with the shtetl of Klichkovichi. When I
searched for it on Shtetl Seekers, it was very close to Turisk. However, I
have not found anyone >from this village on the Jewish Gen sites. Are there
any others who have this village in their background?


Stewart Rich Levy
Marietta, Georgia, USA

RICH/REICH/RAYCH, WINOKUR ( through marriage), PLUSS ( through marriage),
LIEBERMAN ( through marriage, Siegel ( through marriage).- VOLYHNIA,
GUBERNIA, KOVEL, MACHEYEV, KLICHKOVICHI, TRISK


Re: What's a DFTWFTWFtw.gid file? #general

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

Family tree files created in "Family Tree Maker" are automatically given
an .ftw extension. For example, if I chose the filename "Davidson" for
my family tree, it would be saved by Family Tree Maker as
Davidson.ftw. Gedcom files are automatically given the extension .ged,
but the user is given the opportunity to select the filename.

>from the context of your message, it seems to me that the extension you
show (".gid") probably is actually a .ged extension and whoever created
the file repeated the .ftw extension of Family Tree Maker in the filename
on successive atempts to create a file, without realizing that the
extension need not be included in the filename.

If it is a ged file, you should be able to "import" it into any
genealogical program with ged capability. In the program I use, I would
just click on "import" in the pulldown "File" menu and enter the filename
exactly as it appears on the file.
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Israel search techniques needed #general

Louis Zetler <zetler@...>
 

The last I heard about Batya was that she was very ill. I hope that she has
recovered by now. However, I do not think that she is the answer to your
question. I think that you should contact the Ashkenazi Chevra Kadisha in
Jerusalem - Phone +972-2-538-4144

Louis Zetler
President of the Galilee Genealogical Society

Murray and others searching for lost relatives thought to be in Israel:
I have found excellent results thru contacting:

Batya Unterschatz
The Jewish Agency
Search Bureau for Missing Relatives
P.O. Box 92
Jerusalem 91000
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Klichkovichi/Ukraine - RICH/REICH/RAYCH Family #general

Stewart Levy <srlevy@...>
 

I am doing research on my RICH/REICH Family. They all came >from the Kovel,
Ukraine area. Specifically, they came >from Maceijow/Macheyev, Klichkovichi,
and possibly Turisk. I have not found any other relatives other than the
ones we knew of but lost contact with through the years. I have found only
one other Rich family >from the area but we have not been able to find a
connection.

If anyone has any information about this family or may possibly have
connections to this family or these towns, please contact me. I would also
like to know if anyone is familiar with the shtetl of Klichkovichi. When I
searched for it on Shtetl Seekers, it was very close to Turisk. However, I
have not found anyone >from this village on the Jewish Gen sites. Are there
any others who have this village in their background?


Stewart Rich Levy
Marietta, Georgia, USA

RICH/REICH/RAYCH, WINOKUR ( through marriage), PLUSS ( through marriage),
LIEBERMAN ( through marriage, Siegel ( through marriage).- VOLYHNIA,
GUBERNIA, KOVEL, MACHEYEV, KLICHKOVICHI, TRISK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Cantor Joseph Rosenblatt #general

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

I hope that Darlene Sacks unintentionally misspoke in using "infamous" to
describe Cantor Joseph (Yossele) Rosenblatt. I assume she meant to say
"famous". Yossele Rosenblatt (1882-1833) was considered to be the most
popular cantor of the century. In addition to his synagogue and concert
work he was also the the cantor seen and heard in Al Jolson's "Jazz
Singer". Detailed information on his life can be found in the biography
"Yossele Rosenblatt", Farrar, Straus and Young.
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What's a DFTWFTWFtw.gid file? #general

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

Family tree files created in "Family Tree Maker" are automatically given
an .ftw extension. For example, if I chose the filename "Davidson" for
my family tree, it would be saved by Family Tree Maker as
Davidson.ftw. Gedcom files are automatically given the extension .ged,
but the user is given the opportunity to select the filename.

>from the context of your message, it seems to me that the extension you
show (".gid") probably is actually a .ged extension and whoever created
the file repeated the .ftw extension of Family Tree Maker in the filename
on successive atempts to create a file, without realizing that the
extension need not be included in the filename.

If it is a ged file, you should be able to "import" it into any
genealogical program with ged capability. In the program I use, I would
just click on "import" in the pulldown "File" menu and enter the filename
exactly as it appears on the file.
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@...


Latvia SIG #Latvia Guide Books Purchase #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

The Jewishgen Society of Great Britain have published 3 Guide books in the
Jewish Ancestors Series.
The first A Beginner's Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Great Britain
ISBN 0-9537669-0-X
The Second A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Germany and Austria
ISBN 0-9537669-1-8
The third A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia.
ISBN 0-9537669-2-6
They can be bought >from the Society and if you wish to order a copy contact
Rosemary Wenzerul at dandr@...
We hope to have the books on sale in the USA hopefuly
through the Jewishgen Mall and will let you know details
in the near future.

Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG


Guide Books Purchase #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

The Jewishgen Society of Great Britain have published 3 Guide books in the
Jewish Ancestors Series.
The first A Beginner's Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Great Britain
ISBN 0-9537669-0-X
The Second A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Germany and Austria
ISBN 0-9537669-1-8
The third A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia.
ISBN 0-9537669-2-6
They can be bought >from the Society and if you wish to order a copy contact
Rosemary Wenzerul at dandr@...
We hope to have the books on sale in the USA hopefuly
through the Jewishgen Mall and will let you know details
in the near future.

Arlene Beare
President Latvia SIG


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Minimum age for Courland Enlistment Register #latvia

MWhippman@...
 

In a message dated 4/6/01 10:56:15 AM GMT Daylight Time,
sshertzbach@... writes:
In the description of the Courland Family Lists database it is stated that
the Recruits Enlistment Registers database "concentrates primarily on the
adult members of the households and does not generally record child entries
from the original list."
Can anyone tell me what was used as an age cutoff?
I see names down to about 10 years of age, but almost nothing below that.
Dear Stan,
Thanks for raising this question. I expect that there is some confusion
arising out of the fact that traditionally in the US and other European
countries a young man had to register for the draft at a certain age. In
fact this was not the case in Courland. Enlistment Registers were one of a
number of lists that were maintained that registered whole family units and
the birth of new siblings was registered or added >from time to time.
Selection was by the Jewish Community leaders >from the list of those
available and there were complicated rules about priorities for selection.
The obligation was that of the head of the family to ensure that son who was
selected, almost always by Jewish Community Leaders actually appeared to do
military service as required and the head of the household could be fined and
have property confiscated if the proposed recruit defaulted. The Vedomosti
has numerous postings of fines for father's whose sons did not appear at the
designated times. The list that is provided on the net is an "extraction"
from the records that lists adult members of the household and some "older
children". The purpose was to get good coverage of family names accross a
range of areas rather than to duplicate the full information >from the
document. Identifying a family link is an important first step and it may
well be that there is additional information available >from the archives.
Believe me, if it is there they will find it for you. It may take time but
they are very assiduous! I hope this helps.
Meanwhile, continued good luck in searching. These sorts of questions help
everybody and are very much appreciated.
Constance
Constance Whippman [database co-ordinator]


Re: Minimum age for Courland Enlistment Register #latvia

MWhippman@...
 

In a message dated 4/6/01 10:56:15 AM GMT Daylight Time,
sshertzbach@... writes:
In the description of the Courland Family Lists database it is stated that
the Recruits Enlistment Registers database "concentrates primarily on the
adult members of the households and does not generally record child entries
from the original list."
Can anyone tell me what was used as an age cutoff?
I see names down to about 10 years of age, but almost nothing below that.
Dear Stan,
Thanks for raising this question. I expect that there is some confusion
arising out of the fact that traditionally in the US and other European
countries a young man had to register for the draft at a certain age. In
fact this was not the case in Courland. Enlistment Registers were one of a
number of lists that were maintained that registered whole family units and
the birth of new siblings was registered or added >from time to time.
Selection was by the Jewish Community leaders >from the list of those
available and there were complicated rules about priorities for selection.
The obligation was that of the head of the family to ensure that son who was
selected, almost always by Jewish Community Leaders actually appeared to do
military service as required and the head of the household could be fined and
have property confiscated if the proposed recruit defaulted. The Vedomosti
has numerous postings of fines for father's whose sons did not appear at the
designated times. The list that is provided on the net is an "extraction"
from the records that lists adult members of the household and some "older
children". The purpose was to get good coverage of family names accross a
range of areas rather than to duplicate the full information >from the
document. Identifying a family link is an important first step and it may
well be that there is additional information available >from the archives.
Believe me, if it is there they will find it for you. It may take time but
they are very assiduous! I hope this helps.
Meanwhile, continued good luck in searching. These sorts of questions help
everybody and are very much appreciated.
Constance
Constance Whippman [database co-ordinator]


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: New Book by Arlene Beare #latvia

Eric and Paula Benjaminson <oregon81@...>
 

Thank you very much for this interesting information. Do you have a
suggestion of how best to purchase this book if one lives in the U.S.?

Many thanks -- Eric Benjaminson oregon81@...

----- Original Message -----
From: <CWhippman@...>
Subject: [latvia] New Book by Arlene Beare


I know all of you will be as excited as I am to see the publication of a
really useful guide to researching our Baltic ancestors. Arlene Beare has
just published "A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia" ISBN
0-9537669-2-6: No. 3 in the series"Jewish Ancestors?" brought out by the
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain under the general editorship
of
Rosemary Wenzerul, Chairman, JGSGB Education Committee.

This is an excellent guide for researching your family. Everything is in
one place: background information, addresses, references to the web,
sources,
practical tips etc etc. This book would have saved me hours of time when
I
started and as I read through it now I see loads of tips and tricks I
hadn't
even begun to to think about.

What can I say except WOW! and warmest congratulations. I think I am
required by JewishGen rules to point out I don't have any financial
interest
in this book, nor does Arlene since the profits are going to the JGSGB.
This
book is another wonderful example of how far Jewish family history
research
has come over the last year.
The timing on Erev Pesach could not be better.
Constance Whippman


Re: New Book by Arlene Beare #latvia

Eric and Paula Benjaminson <oregon81@...>
 

Thank you very much for this interesting information. Do you have a
suggestion of how best to purchase this book if one lives in the U.S.?

Many thanks -- Eric Benjaminson oregon81@...

----- Original Message -----
From: <CWhippman@...>
Subject: [latvia] New Book by Arlene Beare


I know all of you will be as excited as I am to see the publication of a
really useful guide to researching our Baltic ancestors. Arlene Beare has
just published "A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia" ISBN
0-9537669-2-6: No. 3 in the series"Jewish Ancestors?" brought out by the
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain under the general editorship
of
Rosemary Wenzerul, Chairman, JGSGB Education Committee.

This is an excellent guide for researching your family. Everything is in
one place: background information, addresses, references to the web,
sources,
practical tips etc etc. This book would have saved me hours of time when
I
started and as I read through it now I see loads of tips and tricks I
hadn't
even begun to to think about.

What can I say except WOW! and warmest congratulations. I think I am
required by JewishGen rules to point out I don't have any financial
interest
in this book, nor does Arlene since the profits are going to the JGSGB.
This
book is another wonderful example of how far Jewish family history
research
has come over the last year.
The timing on Erev Pesach could not be better.
Constance Whippman


Re: Israel search techniques needed #general

Curiousyl@...
 

Murray and others searching for lost relatives thought to be in Israel:
I have found excellent results thru contacting:

Batya Unterschatz
The Jewish Agency
Search Bureau for Missing Relatives
P.O. Box 92
Jerusalem 91000
Israel

Good luck in your search.
Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
Florida


Re: Is This Bill Customary for Genealogical Research? #general

David Bajot - temp act <dbajot2@...>
 

I would also consider "results" oriented bonuses (whether agreed upon
or impromptu.) Said researcher provides X amount of material which
is remunerated with Y. She spends a modicum of time on a quality-
oriented research that brings a positive result. Reward her generously
for this, because:

a) You got what you really wanted
b) It's good kharma
c) You want to reward the researcher for doing that extra work
d) You want the researcher's goals to be in line with your own (quality,
results-oriented research).

I would also discuss these matters with the researcher *in detail*.
Explain what your goals are and what is important to you. Explain
why you are doing this.

David Bajot
Columbus, OH
dbajot@...


Re: How do I prove #general

sallybru@...
 

Well, absolute proof is difficult. We usually have to settle for less but
there are degrees. The best would be to find Peisach's birth record saying
that Leib was his father and someone you know specifically was his mother,
better yet, if they have strange names for the area. Then you would also
want a death certificate for Leib saying that his wife was the same woman
and they had 3 (or 6)kids and one was Paisach.

Unfortunately for us, most of the time your ancestor, Leib, was named for
some previous Leib, and so there might very well be cousins also named Leib.
The good thing is that in 1859 while Leib's parents may have taken the last
name Shaposhnik, they might be the only Shaposhniks in town. If Leib's
uncles took different last names, then chances are good that this is 'your'
Leib Shaposhnik.

Of course, it would be possible, (if it turns out not to be the right birth
record for some reason) that Peisach's father was not using the name
Shaposhnik at the time. That happened even in the mid-1800's; family names
weren't really set yet and sometimes the birth record might only have a
patronymic and no surname or one which is different than the one which you
know. It is possible that Leib's father took the surname Leibowitz (because
his father was Leib) or something else and Leib's birth was registered as
Leib Leibowitz or whatever-or there is no family name at all. Then later
the name they used was Shaposhnik and that is the name you know. Then life
gets very hard for us.

So, the smaller the town, the odder the name, then the chances are better.
A common name in a big city-no. We often have to keep looking and say this
is possible, most likely, maybe-and see where it leads.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Success!!!!!! #general

Linda Altman <southernexotics@...>
 

A great big thank you to this list - in particular Carlos, and to JRI
Poland! I have found the some of MODRYKAMIEN's I was looking for and some
that I had no idea existed. This would not have happened without the
JewishGen list. Wishing all of you a very happy Pesach!!!!!!

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
CYBULA/CYBULKA, MODRYKAMEN/MODRYKAMIEN, (Zambrow, Poland/Buenos Aries).
SZABAS/SHABBAS, CHILLER, (Wysokie Mazowieckie, Poland).
WISHNEVETSKY or any close spelling, (Poland). LIEBERMAN, (Romania,Austria).
SAPOSHNICK, KRIEDBERG/KRIESBERG/KRAYSBERG/KRAJCBERG,(Russia, Ukraine,
anywhere). WEINSTEIN, (Polonnoye,Odessa, Kiev, Russia or Ukraine).
SINGER, ALTMAN, (anywhere).
mailto:southernexotics@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Is This Bill Customary for Genealogical Research? #general

David Bajot - temp act <dbajot2@...>
 

I would also consider "results" oriented bonuses (whether agreed upon
or impromptu.) Said researcher provides X amount of material which
is remunerated with Y. She spends a modicum of time on a quality-
oriented research that brings a positive result. Reward her generously
for this, because:

a) You got what you really wanted
b) It's good kharma
c) You want to reward the researcher for doing that extra work
d) You want the researcher's goals to be in line with your own (quality,
results-oriented research).

I would also discuss these matters with the researcher *in detail*.
Explain what your goals are and what is important to you. Explain
why you are doing this.

David Bajot
Columbus, OH
dbajot@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How do I prove #general

sallybru@...
 

Well, absolute proof is difficult. We usually have to settle for less but
there are degrees. The best would be to find Peisach's birth record saying
that Leib was his father and someone you know specifically was his mother,
better yet, if they have strange names for the area. Then you would also
want a death certificate for Leib saying that his wife was the same woman
and they had 3 (or 6)kids and one was Paisach.

Unfortunately for us, most of the time your ancestor, Leib, was named for
some previous Leib, and so there might very well be cousins also named Leib.
The good thing is that in 1859 while Leib's parents may have taken the last
name Shaposhnik, they might be the only Shaposhniks in town. If Leib's
uncles took different last names, then chances are good that this is 'your'
Leib Shaposhnik.

Of course, it would be possible, (if it turns out not to be the right birth
record for some reason) that Peisach's father was not using the name
Shaposhnik at the time. That happened even in the mid-1800's; family names
weren't really set yet and sometimes the birth record might only have a
patronymic and no surname or one which is different than the one which you
know. It is possible that Leib's father took the surname Leibowitz (because
his father was Leib) or something else and Leib's birth was registered as
Leib Leibowitz or whatever-or there is no family name at all. Then later
the name they used was Shaposhnik and that is the name you know. Then life
gets very hard for us.

So, the smaller the town, the odder the name, then the chances are better.
A common name in a big city-no. We often have to keep looking and say this
is possible, most likely, maybe-and see where it leads.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY