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Re: Is This Bill Customary for Genealogical Research? #general

sallybru@...
 

First of all, I would caution you and anyone else hiring someone in the
future to come to a very specific agreement about what is and is not
covered, paid for, expected before research is done. If you asked for
Ignacz Kaufman's death record in 1901, for example, that would be
great-unfortunately we sometimes don't know that specifically and have to
ask for a search for Ignacz death record whatever year. If you don't
specify, and especially with a name which you know to be pretty common (the
researcher may not know that), he might copy every Kaufman record thinking
he had found you a treasure trove.

It is customary to pay for travel and hotel costs; unless you specified
sending receipts, then you pay whatever. Travel is not easy or convenient
in many places.

If you paid for translation, I would expect translation of the document.
Again, it depends on the agreement, and whether he said his English is good
enough.

It seems like you asked the person to get information on Ignacz Kaufman
specifically. If so, then I would not feel it responsible for paying for
any documents which are not somehow related to him. If you were not clear
on that, then you would pay. If you hope to get anything else in the
future, you will pay him well for what he has done.

Since you have the documents and haven't paid yet, I would suggest writing
to the researcher and suggesting a compromise. You should end up paying
for the search and the travel, but I would think there would be a
compromise on the 'translation' and possibly the documents which don't
relate to Ignacz.

Finally, for the sake of all genealogists, be diplomatic! We all want
better cooperation with people we will possibly want to use in the future
(unless they are outright crooks, and this one sounds like he did much or
most of what was asked).

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Is This Bill Customary for Genealogical Research? #general

sallybru@...
 

First of all, I would caution you and anyone else hiring someone in the
future to come to a very specific agreement about what is and is not
covered, paid for, expected before research is done. If you asked for
Ignacz Kaufman's death record in 1901, for example, that would be
great-unfortunately we sometimes don't know that specifically and have to
ask for a search for Ignacz death record whatever year. If you don't
specify, and especially with a name which you know to be pretty common (the
researcher may not know that), he might copy every Kaufman record thinking
he had found you a treasure trove.

It is customary to pay for travel and hotel costs; unless you specified
sending receipts, then you pay whatever. Travel is not easy or convenient
in many places.

If you paid for translation, I would expect translation of the document.
Again, it depends on the agreement, and whether he said his English is good
enough.

It seems like you asked the person to get information on Ignacz Kaufman
specifically. If so, then I would not feel it responsible for paying for
any documents which are not somehow related to him. If you were not clear
on that, then you would pay. If you hope to get anything else in the
future, you will pay him well for what he has done.

Since you have the documents and haven't paid yet, I would suggest writing
to the researcher and suggesting a compromise. You should end up paying
for the search and the travel, but I would think there would be a
compromise on the 'translation' and possibly the documents which don't
relate to Ignacz.

Finally, for the sake of all genealogists, be diplomatic! We all want
better cooperation with people we will possibly want to use in the future
(unless they are outright crooks, and this one sounds like he did much or
most of what was asked).

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine family information (BOSCOBOINIK) #ukraine

bosco_ <bosco_@...>
 

I would appreciate if somebody could give some
information of poeple whose last name is/was
BOSCOBOINIK, WOSCOBOINIK, VOSCOBOINIK, or similar ones.
Thanks since already,

Anibal Boscoboinik
San Luis - Argentina


family information (BOSCOBOINIK) #ukraine

bosco_ <bosco_@...>
 

I would appreciate if somebody could give some
information of poeple whose last name is/was
BOSCOBOINIK, WOSCOBOINIK, VOSCOBOINIK, or similar ones.
Thanks since already,

Anibal Boscoboinik
San Luis - Argentina


Re: bill for genealogical work #general

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

For 17 documents, the bill isn't unreasonable. But the quality of the
work IS unreasonable.

I recently had extended interaction with a professional researcher. I
asked a question similar to yours: I wanted information on the family of
my maternal grandmother. I knew brothers' names >from my father, but had
no dates. He gave me an estimate for what it would cost to search for the
family in revision lists. It seemed reasonable & I paid it & he found
them. I had to pay extra for photocopies, but that was stated up front.
He then suggested further search to find a previous generation & I agreed
to the estimate for that. And so it went. He didn't go beyond the
agreed-upon scope without checking with me first, & I was the one who
chose the direction of further work either >from suggestions he made or by
asking for other specific types of information.

This is, I think, what your experience should have been like but wasn't.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: bill for genealogical work #general

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

For 17 documents, the bill isn't unreasonable. But the quality of the
work IS unreasonable.

I recently had extended interaction with a professional researcher. I
asked a question similar to yours: I wanted information on the family of
my maternal grandmother. I knew brothers' names >from my father, but had
no dates. He gave me an estimate for what it would cost to search for the
family in revision lists. It seemed reasonable & I paid it & he found
them. I had to pay extra for photocopies, but that was stated up front.
He then suggested further search to find a previous generation & I agreed
to the estimate for that. And so it went. He didn't go beyond the
agreed-upon scope without checking with me first, & I was the one who
chose the direction of further work either >from suggestions he made or by
asking for other specific types of information.

This is, I think, what your experience should have been like but wasn't.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Marking gravestone sites -- report #general

Thomas F. Weiss
 

Dear JGenners --
Thanks so much to the many respondents who took the trouble
to answer my request for suggestions for marking gravestone sites. I
thought everyone might be interested in learning of the suggestions
which I have catergorized as follows:

(1) Marker placed in ground near gravestone: orange golf tees; small
candles in aluminum holders; small surveyors flags; small plastic or
wooden plant markers; brightly colored plastic drink stirrers; spray
paint used by utility companies on ground; flour spread on ground.

(2) Objects tied around gravestones: ribbon; gardener's plastic and
wire plant ties; cord; twine; copper wire clad with bright color;
crepe paper ribbons; bright plumber's tape

(3) Objects placed on gravestones: stick; rock; rock holding down a
bright ribbon

(4) Other strategies: make an accurate map of the cemetery and
indicate the gravestones on the map

I have not yet decided which of these suggested methods I
will use, but several of these suggestions sound promising. I
particularly like the ones in which something is placed on the ground
near the gravestone since these are least likely to damage anything.
I will report back after my trip to let everyone know which method
was used and whether it was successful.

Many thanks for your help,

Tom Weiss

Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@...

Webmaster for Suchostav Region Research Group
(http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Suchostav/SuchostavRegion/SRRGhom
e.html)

Webmaster for Rozhnyatov
(http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Rozhnyatov/Rozhome.html)

Coordinator for translation of Rozniatow Yizkor Book
(http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Rozniatow/Rozhnyatov.html)

Reearching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER, TURTELTAUB (Buchach);
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague);
FRANKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov, Vienna);
KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice);
MEISELS (Nadworna, Vienna); ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)
VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marking gravestone sites -- report #general

Thomas F. Weiss
 

Dear JGenners --
Thanks so much to the many respondents who took the trouble
to answer my request for suggestions for marking gravestone sites. I
thought everyone might be interested in learning of the suggestions
which I have catergorized as follows:

(1) Marker placed in ground near gravestone: orange golf tees; small
candles in aluminum holders; small surveyors flags; small plastic or
wooden plant markers; brightly colored plastic drink stirrers; spray
paint used by utility companies on ground; flour spread on ground.

(2) Objects tied around gravestones: ribbon; gardener's plastic and
wire plant ties; cord; twine; copper wire clad with bright color;
crepe paper ribbons; bright plumber's tape

(3) Objects placed on gravestones: stick; rock; rock holding down a
bright ribbon

(4) Other strategies: make an accurate map of the cemetery and
indicate the gravestones on the map

I have not yet decided which of these suggested methods I
will use, but several of these suggestions sound promising. I
particularly like the ones in which something is placed on the ground
near the gravestone since these are least likely to damage anything.
I will report back after my trip to let everyone know which method
was used and whether it was successful.

Many thanks for your help,

Tom Weiss

Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@...

Webmaster for Suchostav Region Research Group
(http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Suchostav/SuchostavRegion/SRRGhom
e.html)

Webmaster for Rozhnyatov
(http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Rozhnyatov/Rozhome.html)

Coordinator for translation of Rozniatow Yizkor Book
(http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/Rozniatow/Rozhnyatov.html)

Reearching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER, TURTELTAUB (Buchach);
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague);
FRANKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov, Vienna);
KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice);
MEISELS (Nadworna, Vienna); ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)
VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland "Scrolls of Testimony" Specially Priced on the JewishGenMall #lodz #poland

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Our JewishGen Mall managers are pleased to let you know that the
Presentation Edition of one of the most moving chronicles of the
Holocaust, "Scrolls of Testimony" by the award-winning
Israeli writer Abba Kovner is available at the a very
special price of $79.95 for a limited time only. Normally
this book, written in the Jewish tradition of megillot or scrolls,
retails for $100.

More important than the advantageous price reduction is that this
compelling book...this testimony of the author interwoven with
eyewitness accounts of others, notes and excerpts of poetry
and prose, even last wills and testaments is an almost
liturgical account of the greatest tragedy to befall our
people.

Regarded by many as one of the great masterpieces of Holocaust literature,
"Scrolls of Testimony" took over ten years to research and write. The English
translation was a monumental effort accomplished by Dr. Edward Levenston,
former professor of English linguistics at the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem.
The haunting paintings are by Samuel Bak, who, like Kovner, is a survivor
of the Vilna Ghetto.

Both the Presentation Issue and the regular edition are truly treasures.
Both are available now at reduced prices

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

The quickest way to find them is to click on the Browse button on the left
hand side of the Mall page and scroll down to the Specially
Priced section. Click on the words Specially Priced.

"Scrolls of Testimony" in both the Presentation Issue and the regular
edition will be listed. Click on the title for further
information about the book, and if you wish to purchase,
just click on the ADD button which will add the book to
your shopping cart.


Every purchase in the JewishGenMall helps us meet our operations budget, so
when you make a purchase, you are helping JewishGen!

many thanks in advance for visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations


"Scrolls of Testimony" Specially Priced on the JewishGenMall #lodz #poland

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Our JewishGen Mall managers are pleased to let you know that the
Presentation Edition of one of the most moving chronicles of the
Holocaust, "Scrolls of Testimony" by the award-winning
Israeli writer Abba Kovner is available at the a very
special price of $79.95 for a limited time only. Normally
this book, written in the Jewish tradition of megillot or scrolls,
retails for $100.

More important than the advantageous price reduction is that this
compelling book...this testimony of the author interwoven with
eyewitness accounts of others, notes and excerpts of poetry
and prose, even last wills and testaments is an almost
liturgical account of the greatest tragedy to befall our
people.

Regarded by many as one of the great masterpieces of Holocaust literature,
"Scrolls of Testimony" took over ten years to research and write. The English
translation was a monumental effort accomplished by Dr. Edward Levenston,
former professor of English linguistics at the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem.
The haunting paintings are by Samuel Bak, who, like Kovner, is a survivor
of the Vilna Ghetto.

Both the Presentation Issue and the regular edition are truly treasures.
Both are available now at reduced prices

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

The quickest way to find them is to click on the Browse button on the left
hand side of the Mall page and scroll down to the Specially
Priced section. Click on the words Specially Priced.

"Scrolls of Testimony" in both the Presentation Issue and the regular
edition will be listed. Click on the title for further
information about the book, and if you wish to purchase,
just click on the ADD button which will add the book to
your shopping cart.


Every purchase in the JewishGenMall helps us meet our operations budget, so
when you make a purchase, you are helping JewishGen!

many thanks in advance for visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Suwalki archive #lithuania

Ava Sweeney <spirit-images@...>
 

Has anyone ever tried locating vital records at the Suwalki Archive in
Poland? Someone emailed me a few weeks ago to say that I could find the
vital records >from Kopcovo there. I did not know how to proceed in order to
accomplish this. Does anyone have experience with this?

AVA SWEENEY
DURHAM, NC

SULKOWITCH/RUBINSKY-KAPCIAMIESTIES
LASDAISKY-DAMBAVA/LAZDIJAI
BERMAN-SIMNAS
SHERSHEVSKY-BITTEN


Suwalki archive #lithuania

Ava Sweeney <spirit-images@...>
 

Has anyone ever tried locating vital records at the Suwalki Archive in
Poland? Someone emailed me a few weeks ago to say that I could find the
vital records >from Kopcovo there. I did not know how to proceed in order to
accomplish this. Does anyone have experience with this?

AVA SWEENEY
DURHAM, NC

SULKOWITCH/RUBINSKY-KAPCIAMIESTIES
LASDAISKY-DAMBAVA/LAZDIJAI
BERMAN-SIMNAS
SHERSHEVSKY-BITTEN


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania "Scrolls of Testimony" Specially Priced on the JewishGenMall #lithuania

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Our JewishGen Mall managers are pleased to let you know that the
Presentation Edition of one of the most moving chronicles of the
Holocaust, "Scrolls of Testimony" by the award-winning
Israeli writer (and Litvak partisan) Abba Kovner is available at the a
very special price of $79.95 for a limited time only. Normally
this book, written in the Jewish tradition of megillot or scrolls,
retails for $100.

More important than the advantageous price reduction is that this
compelling book...this testimony of the author interwoven with
eyewitness accounts of others, notes and excerpts of poetry
and prose, even last wills and testaments is an almost
liturgical account of the greatest tragedy to befall our people.

Regarded by many as one of the great masterpieces of Holocaust literature,
"Scrolls of Testimony" took over ten years to research and write. The English translation was a monumental effort accomplished by Dr. Edward Levenston, former professor of English linguistics at the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem.

The haunting paintings are by Samuel Bak, who, like Kovner, is a survivor
of the Vilna Ghetto.

Both the Presentation Issue and the regular edition are truly treasures.
Both are available now at reduced prices

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

The quickest way to find them is to click on the Browse button on the left
hand side of the Mall page and scroll down to the Specially Priced section. Click on the words Specially Priced.

"Scrolls of Testimony" in both the Presentation Issue and the regular
edition will be listed. Click on the title for further
information about the book, and if you wish to purchase,
just click on the ADD button which will add the book to
your shopping cart.

Every purchase in the JewishGenMall helps us meet our operations budget, so
when you make a purchase, you are helping JewishGen!

many thanks in advance for visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations


"Scrolls of Testimony" Specially Priced on the JewishGenMall #lithuania

Carol Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Our JewishGen Mall managers are pleased to let you know that the
Presentation Edition of one of the most moving chronicles of the
Holocaust, "Scrolls of Testimony" by the award-winning
Israeli writer (and Litvak partisan) Abba Kovner is available at the a
very special price of $79.95 for a limited time only. Normally
this book, written in the Jewish tradition of megillot or scrolls,
retails for $100.

More important than the advantageous price reduction is that this
compelling book...this testimony of the author interwoven with
eyewitness accounts of others, notes and excerpts of poetry
and prose, even last wills and testaments is an almost
liturgical account of the greatest tragedy to befall our people.

Regarded by many as one of the great masterpieces of Holocaust literature,
"Scrolls of Testimony" took over ten years to research and write. The English translation was a monumental effort accomplished by Dr. Edward Levenston, former professor of English linguistics at the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem.

The haunting paintings are by Samuel Bak, who, like Kovner, is a survivor
of the Vilna Ghetto.

Both the Presentation Issue and the regular edition are truly treasures.
Both are available now at reduced prices

http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

The quickest way to find them is to click on the Browse button on the left
hand side of the Mall page and scroll down to the Specially Priced section. Click on the words Specially Priced.

"Scrolls of Testimony" in both the Presentation Issue and the regular
edition will be listed. Click on the title for further
information about the book, and if you wish to purchase,
just click on the ADD button which will add the book to
your shopping cart.

Every purchase in the JewishGenMall helps us meet our operations budget, so
when you make a purchase, you are helping JewishGen!

many thanks in advance for visiting
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Operations


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Nohum/Nachum #lithuania

DrWASaxton@...
 

I have just come across the given name "Nohum" for one of my ancestors in
Rakishok, circa 1850. The given name of "Nachum" also appears occasionally in my tree. Generally, what is the origin of this name? I have looked in Rabbi Gorr's book on Jewish personal names for the answer, but cannot even find this apparent derivation listed. Can anybody shed any light on this?

Dr. William A. Saxton
Boca Raton, Florida


Nohum/Nachum #lithuania

DrWASaxton@...
 

I have just come across the given name "Nohum" for one of my ancestors in
Rakishok, circa 1850. The given name of "Nachum" also appears occasionally in my tree. Generally, what is the origin of this name? I have looked in Rabbi Gorr's book on Jewish personal names for the answer, but cannot even find this apparent derivation listed. Can anybody shed any light on this?

Dr. William A. Saxton
Boca Raton, Florida


Re: Israel search techniques needed #general

Curiousyl@...
 

Batya has recovered >from her illness.
A message was sent to Jewishgenners in February by Sallyann Sack
[Editor of Avotaynu] on behalf of Batya - thanking everyone for
their cards and best wishes.

I have been in touch with Batya several times since then, via email,
and she was "at her desk", working her miracles of discovery.

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County, Inc.
Florida


SCHWARTZMAN #general

misaacso@...
 

I was very excited to finally discover the siblings of my great-grandmother,
Anna SCHWARTZMAN (born about 1888, married Max SCHWEIBISH). She was
probably >from the Ukraine area. They came over to the US in 1906. Her
mother was Sofie (COHEN) SCHWARTZMAN, father Paul (Peneris) SCHWARTZMAN. The
siblings were:

Boris SCHWARTZMAN, born about 1886
Sonnie SCHWARTZMAN, b about 1890
Jenny SCHWARTZMAN, b abt 1892
Fanny SCHWARTZMAN, b abt 1895

Right down the street lived another SCHWARTZMAN couple that came over the
same time, so I assume they're related:

Sam SCHWARTZMAN, b abt1875
Fannie SCHWARTZMAN, b abt1882

Another possible family, further down the block:

Joseph SCHWARTZMAN b abt 1865
Fannie SCHWARTZMAN b 1869
Rose abt 1890
Bessie abt 1891
Sam abt 1897
Simon abt 1899
Louis abt 1901
Ben abt 1905
Alex abt 1909

If you recognize any of these names, PLEASE let me know!

Thanks!
Farra Isaacson
NY, NY

Poland: (Ciechanowiec) BORENSTEIN, LEVINE (Grodek) BIEGELEISEN, EINZUMPTNER
(changed to SCHALL)
(Sochaczew, Lodz) HABERMAN, GOLDKRANTZ (-KRAND, -KRANC),
FLEISCHMAN, JACOBOVITZ
Ukraine: (Odessa): SCHWEIBISH, SCHWARTZMAN, MESHOURAS (MISHURIS), COHEN,
CHALFIN, KAPLOWITZ
[list edited to six lines allowed - Mod.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Israel search techniques needed #general

Curiousyl@...
 

Batya has recovered >from her illness.
A message was sent to Jewishgenners in February by Sallyann Sack
[Editor of Avotaynu] on behalf of Batya - thanking everyone for
their cards and best wishes.

I have been in touch with Batya several times since then, via email,
and she was "at her desk", working her miracles of discovery.

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County, Inc.
Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SCHWARTZMAN #general

misaacso@...
 

I was very excited to finally discover the siblings of my great-grandmother,
Anna SCHWARTZMAN (born about 1888, married Max SCHWEIBISH). She was
probably >from the Ukraine area. They came over to the US in 1906. Her
mother was Sofie (COHEN) SCHWARTZMAN, father Paul (Peneris) SCHWARTZMAN. The
siblings were:

Boris SCHWARTZMAN, born about 1886
Sonnie SCHWARTZMAN, b about 1890
Jenny SCHWARTZMAN, b abt 1892
Fanny SCHWARTZMAN, b abt 1895

Right down the street lived another SCHWARTZMAN couple that came over the
same time, so I assume they're related:

Sam SCHWARTZMAN, b abt1875
Fannie SCHWARTZMAN, b abt1882

Another possible family, further down the block:

Joseph SCHWARTZMAN b abt 1865
Fannie SCHWARTZMAN b 1869
Rose abt 1890
Bessie abt 1891
Sam abt 1897
Simon abt 1899
Louis abt 1901
Ben abt 1905
Alex abt 1909

If you recognize any of these names, PLEASE let me know!

Thanks!
Farra Isaacson
NY, NY

Poland: (Ciechanowiec) BORENSTEIN, LEVINE (Grodek) BIEGELEISEN, EINZUMPTNER
(changed to SCHALL)
(Sochaczew, Lodz) HABERMAN, GOLDKRANTZ (-KRAND, -KRANC),
FLEISCHMAN, JACOBOVITZ
Ukraine: (Odessa): SCHWEIBISH, SCHWARTZMAN, MESHOURAS (MISHURIS), COHEN,
CHALFIN, KAPLOWITZ
[list edited to six lines allowed - Mod.]