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Re: Russia (Poland) #general

Joan Silverman <jbsilverman@...>
 

Hi,
I received today a marriage certificate on my grandparents and have found
several times my great grandparents place of birth is noted as Russia
(Poland). Can someone help with a geography lesson and let me know what
area this is pertaining to -- around 1860.

Thanks for your help

Joan Silverman
Revere, Massachusetts
mail to: jbsilverman @mediaone.net

MODERATOR NOTE: This question has been addressed several times before in
the JewishGen Discussion Group. You can find these discussions by searching
the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop> for
"Russia then Poland" (without the quotes). You will get a long list of
posts. Scroll down the list for subject lines including the combination
"Russia/Poland" or something similar, and click on those subject lines to
read the posts. It may be helpful to right-click and open the posts in a
new window in order to save the time required to redisplay the long list
after reading each post.
Ellis Success not Possible With Soundex #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

I thought that I would share my "success" with the Ellis Island Data Base
because I think it shows the future wonderful possibilities this site holds.

I had the normal problems experienced by everyone,it seems, accessing the
site, registering, etc., but within about 5 min of "actual" searching (it
was Friday at 5 pm PDT, so no telling) I found the passenger record for my
great-great grandmother, her three daughters and one of their children.

I have found passenger manifests for all in my direct line, and most
collaterals by a combination of using Soundex and info on Naturalization
papers, but I had reached what really would have been a dead end, if not for
the Ellis site.

I discovered by census-Federal and NY--that my great-great grandmother, who
I thought was "left" in Europe in fact immigrated in 1906 with her daughter
and infant grandson, then lived with them for 15 years. I had (finally)
found her death certificate (as suggested before, I had to look in a
different "borough" in NYC, as she was taken to the hospital >from her home
in Manhattan during her final illness and died in the Bronx), and, >from her
son-in-law's Naturalization papers found that her daughter came to the US in
1906. Three census records and her birth certificate all indicated the
same year.

I had searched the Soundex numerous times for her, daughter, and the
grandson, with no success.

Anyway, the problem was this:

Her name was Pessie Lewita in the old country, Levitt or Levine in America,
and Pessie was butchered to Tessie, Pieche, Poise , etc. I found the death
certificate by narrowing the year, and ordering ALL "P" Levine's!

For my soundex search, I used, Lewit/Levita (same code), added a T, and also
Levine. I found nothing (correction, I found lots of "close" ones, which
when check out were children, etc., obviously incorrect)

The Ellis Island data base gave me "options" to Lewita, and brought up 490
"possibles", within 2 minutes I found "Pische Lewitan", got to the
manifest, and found the year(1906), town (Siedlez), the daughter and
grandson (under a different name) and two other daughters!

"Lewitan" would have given a different soundex code, and, more importantly,
given the number of names with L-w-t or L-v-t beginnings (not to mention
other letters which would code the same) there would have been thousands of
possibilities for review--Levitt itself was daunting--and I doubt that I
would have ever gone through those records. The "n" ending was not present
in any other record to date, including the "polish" ones, and may, in fact,
be a reading error.

Last part of the story, I was confident at first that I would find the
daughter and baby, as her name was "Pfefferblum", and knew that there would
not be as many options. For whatever reason, the daughter, Rebecca
Pfefferblum, and baby, Max Pfefferblum, were traveling under the names
Risoke[presumably Rivke] WILANDEK [a name I had never seen before] and
Motel[ok, this is a not-so-unlikely for Max] Wilandek.

Anyway, if not for the "suggestion" made by the database, I am positive that
I would never have found this record. As I described above, I had done
everything else [yes, I was about to check other ports of entry, though I
thought this was unlikely, as other relatives had gone to NYC, and the
husband of the daughter was there waiting, but I would have] and this record
would have been lost.

Final thought, when I first saw the "soundslike" option on the Ellis sight
and the "alternatives", I was disappointed, as it appeared to be not very
helpful. Was I wrong.

Hope my experience can be helpful to someone.

Debra Kay
debjkay@...
Simi Valley, CA
Re: Ellis Island Comments #general

Shel <sbercovich@...>
 

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:

[snip - good stuff]

8. Due to the names being retrieved in non-sorted order, it is difficult
to locate someone you want unless you look through the entire list or
download it. This can be rather arduous when there are several hundred
names such as the 807 Hillman names.
Hi all,

There _is_ a way to deal with this, though for people with long lists,
it's fairly tedious.

1. Bring up the list of names for which you're searching at EIDB.

2. Highlight and copy (to the clipboard) the whole list (of 25)
_including_ the headings for each column.

3. Paste this into a word processor document. You'll get something like
this:

_
Name
Residence
Arrival
Age
1.
Joe Blow
Gorky
1911
25

4. Bring up the succeeding pages and, in turn, highlight, copy and paste
the _data only_ (Not the headings) onto the bottom of the wordpro file.

5. Adjust the number of lines in _each_ record so they are EXACTLY the
same (This is the _really_ fiddly part, because they're not all the same
and there are blank lines in between some of the columns!) Ensure
there's a carriage return after each complete record.

6. ***Save this file under two different names.***. Use only the second one
to do the following:

7. Use your word pro's "Text to Table" feature to make the listing into
a chart or table. You may have to fiddle back and forth to get it all
right, but once you do, you'll have a usable table that can be sorted
"every which way 'till Sunday"! :-) I found a setting of 9 columns does
the trick. Incidentally, you'll wind up with a couple of blank columns
which can be deleted using the wordpro's "Table Layout" feature. You can
also adjust column widths, font sizes, etc.

I saved 4 different versions: a) as the list showed in the EIDB; b) by
name; c) by Date of Arrival; d) added another column (you could use one
of the blank columns for this) of Birth Date (lots of calculations, but
it helps to sort people).

Have fun,

Shel Bercovich

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Darabani, Dorohoi, Iasi
& Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
ECHTER (HECHTER), ZWANG - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero,
Ukraine; Israel; Argentina
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Russia (Poland) #general

Joan Silverman <jbsilverman@...>
 

Hi,
I received today a marriage certificate on my grandparents and have found
several times my great grandparents place of birth is noted as Russia
(Poland). Can someone help with a geography lesson and let me know what
area this is pertaining to -- around 1860.

Thanks for your help

Joan Silverman
Revere, Massachusetts
mail to: jbsilverman @mediaone.net

MODERATOR NOTE: This question has been addressed several times before in
the JewishGen Discussion Group. You can find these discussions by searching
the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop> for
"Russia then Poland" (without the quotes). You will get a long list of
posts. Scroll down the list for subject lines including the combination
"Russia/Poland" or something similar, and click on those subject lines to
read the posts. It may be helpful to right-click and open the posts in a
new window in order to save the time required to redisplay the long list
after reading each post.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Success not Possible With Soundex #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>
 

I thought that I would share my "success" with the Ellis Island Data Base
because I think it shows the future wonderful possibilities this site holds.

I had the normal problems experienced by everyone,it seems, accessing the
site, registering, etc., but within about 5 min of "actual" searching (it
was Friday at 5 pm PDT, so no telling) I found the passenger record for my
great-great grandmother, her three daughters and one of their children.

I have found passenger manifests for all in my direct line, and most
collaterals by a combination of using Soundex and info on Naturalization
papers, but I had reached what really would have been a dead end, if not for
the Ellis site.

I discovered by census-Federal and NY--that my great-great grandmother, who
I thought was "left" in Europe in fact immigrated in 1906 with her daughter
and infant grandson, then lived with them for 15 years. I had (finally)
found her death certificate (as suggested before, I had to look in a
different "borough" in NYC, as she was taken to the hospital >from her home
in Manhattan during her final illness and died in the Bronx), and, >from her
son-in-law's Naturalization papers found that her daughter came to the US in
1906. Three census records and her birth certificate all indicated the
same year.

I had searched the Soundex numerous times for her, daughter, and the
grandson, with no success.

Anyway, the problem was this:

Her name was Pessie Lewita in the old country, Levitt or Levine in America,
and Pessie was butchered to Tessie, Pieche, Poise , etc. I found the death
certificate by narrowing the year, and ordering ALL "P" Levine's!

For my soundex search, I used, Lewit/Levita (same code), added a T, and also
Levine. I found nothing (correction, I found lots of "close" ones, which
when check out were children, etc., obviously incorrect)

The Ellis Island data base gave me "options" to Lewita, and brought up 490
"possibles", within 2 minutes I found "Pische Lewitan", got to the
manifest, and found the year(1906), town (Siedlez), the daughter and
grandson (under a different name) and two other daughters!

"Lewitan" would have given a different soundex code, and, more importantly,
given the number of names with L-w-t or L-v-t beginnings (not to mention
other letters which would code the same) there would have been thousands of
possibilities for review--Levitt itself was daunting--and I doubt that I
would have ever gone through those records. The "n" ending was not present
in any other record to date, including the "polish" ones, and may, in fact,
be a reading error.

Last part of the story, I was confident at first that I would find the
daughter and baby, as her name was "Pfefferblum", and knew that there would
not be as many options. For whatever reason, the daughter, Rebecca
Pfefferblum, and baby, Max Pfefferblum, were traveling under the names
Risoke[presumably Rivke] WILANDEK [a name I had never seen before] and
Motel[ok, this is a not-so-unlikely for Max] Wilandek.

Anyway, if not for the "suggestion" made by the database, I am positive that
I would never have found this record. As I described above, I had done
everything else [yes, I was about to check other ports of entry, though I
thought this was unlikely, as other relatives had gone to NYC, and the
husband of the daughter was there waiting, but I would have] and this record
would have been lost.

Final thought, when I first saw the "soundslike" option on the Ellis sight
and the "alternatives", I was disappointed, as it appeared to be not very
helpful. Was I wrong.

Hope my experience can be helpful to someone.

Debra Kay
debjkay@...
Simi Valley, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island Comments #general

Shel <sbercovich@...>
 

Ann Rabinowitz wrote:

[snip - good stuff]

8. Due to the names being retrieved in non-sorted order, it is difficult
to locate someone you want unless you look through the entire list or
download it. This can be rather arduous when there are several hundred
names such as the 807 Hillman names.
Hi all,

There _is_ a way to deal with this, though for people with long lists,
it's fairly tedious.

1. Bring up the list of names for which you're searching at EIDB.

2. Highlight and copy (to the clipboard) the whole list (of 25)
_including_ the headings for each column.

3. Paste this into a word processor document. You'll get something like
this:

_
Name
Residence
Arrival
Age
1.
Joe Blow
Gorky
1911
25

4. Bring up the succeeding pages and, in turn, highlight, copy and paste
the _data only_ (Not the headings) onto the bottom of the wordpro file.

5. Adjust the number of lines in _each_ record so they are EXACTLY the
same (This is the _really_ fiddly part, because they're not all the same
and there are blank lines in between some of the columns!) Ensure
there's a carriage return after each complete record.

6. ***Save this file under two different names.***. Use only the second one
to do the following:

7. Use your word pro's "Text to Table" feature to make the listing into
a chart or table. You may have to fiddle back and forth to get it all
right, but once you do, you'll have a usable table that can be sorted
"every which way 'till Sunday"! :-) I found a setting of 9 columns does
the trick. Incidentally, you'll wind up with a couple of blank columns
which can be deleted using the wordpro's "Table Layout" feature. You can
also adjust column widths, font sizes, etc.

I saved 4 different versions: a) as the list showed in the EIDB; b) by
name; c) by Date of Arrival; d) added another column (you could use one
of the blank columns for this) of Birth Date (lots of calculations, but
it helps to sort people).

Have fun,

Shel Bercovich

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Darabani, Dorohoi, Iasi
& Stefanesti, Romania
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; NYC
ECHTER (HECHTER), ZWANG - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero,
Ukraine; Israel; Argentina
ellis island/fam search #general

Sara Lynns
 

This may sound silly
I found incomplete information
re: paternal grandfather
stated he was not married
could not find my grandmother
or othe rrelatives on search

Are there other resources for those arriving in NY
from 1904 to 1915?
todah
Jackie Lerner-Aderman
re Pavlinka and PLATNICK #general

mgglass <mgglass@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:

Is there anybody searching PLATNICK (any spelling) and Pavlinka, Ukraine
(Russia) in Podolia? I have been researching both for some time and
have not come up with any answers. My immediate family moved to
Canada. There is a possibility that the remainder of the PLATNICK
Family may have immigrated to South America. Thank you and I may
reached at mgglass@....

Marilyn PLATNICK GLASS
Toronto, Ontario Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ellis island/fam search #general

Sara Lynns
 

This may sound silly
I found incomplete information
re: paternal grandfather
stated he was not married
could not find my grandmother
or othe rrelatives on search

Are there other resources for those arriving in NY
from 1904 to 1915?
todah
Jackie Lerner-Aderman
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re Pavlinka and PLATNICK #general

mgglass <mgglass@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:

Is there anybody searching PLATNICK (any spelling) and Pavlinka, Ukraine
(Russia) in Podolia? I have been researching both for some time and
have not come up with any answers. My immediate family moved to
Canada. There is a possibility that the remainder of the PLATNICK
Family may have immigrated to South America. Thank you and I may
reached at mgglass@....

Marilyn PLATNICK GLASS
Toronto, Ontario Canada
Ellis Island - How I Find Records #general

Bev Potter <brpotter@...>
 

My approach is this:

I enter a last name on the initial search screen using my best guess
as to correct spelling. Of course, there really is no correct spelling
since all of our names were determined by people who likely
couldn't spell or possibly even read. Our names were written down
by people speaking different languages and have now been transcribed
into this system using a best guess approach.

If I don't get a matching result >from that initial search, Then I click
"Edit" for the NAME and GENDER. There you will see a selection list of
alternative spellings. I have found this to be incredibly useful. Check off
multiple spellings or all spellings and run again.

I have located 42 "potential members" of the same family using this method.

Don't expect the name to be spelled the way you think it should be -
consider other alternatives.

Note that there are other Edit capabilities such as age, year of arrival,
etc. These can speed up your search by narrowing the field but, they are
only helpful if you are reasonably sure of when they arrived, etc. I was
always told my gf arrived in 1902. Turns out he arrived in 1904. I would
have missed him if I had narrowed that search criteria.

Bev Potter
Boulder, Co.

Researching:
PADERESKY, PADEROSKY, GORODINSKY, SCHULMAN, DEITCHMAN,
AIDELMAN, COHEN, SPEVACK, NALEBOTSKY
Ellis Island records #general

Niall Foley <niallf@...>
 

Many recent postings have commented on how difficult it is to get into
the Ellis Island records database. Here in Ireland, the best time seems
to be when most Americans are in bed. This morning, Saturday 21 April I
was able to access the site almost continuously >from 6 a.m. - 10.00 a.m.
Greenwich Mean Time. Accordingly I was able to obtain lists of over
2,500 passengers and take screenprints of the data without too much
difficulty. My search results are now stored in my "account" on the
Ellis Island site and I can return to it when necessary.

It is important to register before starting a search and enable
"cookies" on your computer and tick the "remember details" box. This way
a visitor's return visits to the site will be recognised and s/he will
not have to sign in.

Regards
Niall Foley
Dublin, Ireland.
missing markers #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I guess just to prove that someone went outside and enjoyed the day <grin>
and was not pounding into the Ellis Island database, I went to a cemetery
today -- non-secterian of course since it is Saturday -- and was very
surprised to find that the family had never erected markers on the graves.
Seems very odd. Father died in 1950 and the mother in 1994. Thge graves
are there -- the office helped me find them -- but there is simply to stone.
Nothing anyone here can do about it but just strikes me as very odd and sort
of spooky -- if that is the right word. Guess I have some odd family members.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...
Re: Ellis Island #galicia

Bernie Hirsch <bernie06@...>
 

No, the actual manifest is free also. You just click on the Manifest button
once you get the details of the record. Once there you can zoom, etc.
However, it is cumbersome to print it or save it as an image. The actual
manifest has very interesting information like hair color, eye color,
height, place of birth, ever been to the US before?, address of relative or
friend going to join, etc.

I did not find any of my family, but I did find my father-in-law's
grandfather and his aunts. The grandfather was going to be with his son who
had already immigrated -- it had his full street address.

--Bernie Hirsch bernie06@... Dallas, Texas

David Bajot - temp act wrote:

The index card info is free. I think you have to pay to see a copy
of the actual manifest actually (which you can order >from microfilm
from your local LDS family history center.)
--
Kind regards,
Bernie Hirsch
EIDB second page #general

renee1056@...
 

I have found my mgm before I got kicked off did not find grandfather,
but will look under name he used here in USA but could someone tell me
how to get to the second page the one that states who they are going to
and ticket info.
Shalom
Renee Marcus, Spring Hill, Fl.
misspelling in EIDB #general

Chuck Haas <haascn@...>
 

As another example...

Much of my family originates >from Iasi, Romania. In the pre-WWII era
this is often seen spelled as Jassy. However I did note on the entry
that I located which I believe to be that for my great aunt that this
was spelled as Zasi. So presumably the same "creativity" afflicts
names as well.
--

Charles N. Haas
haas@...
searching:
Romania: SIMON, SIMONOVITCH, HERZKOVITZ, AVRAM
France: ROSENFELD, ROSENFELD-ARON, HAAS
Images in EIDB #general

Chuck Haas <haascn@...>
 

I had pretty good success at staying on for about an hour starting at
5:15am this morning (EDT, Saturday).

However of about half a dozen good "hits" that I located, I found
that none of them gave me the actual images of the manifest. Only
the text versions were available. I also get a number of "broken
link" images.

I am using Internet Explorer 5.0 on a Mac. I am curious for other
reports on this problem (of broken links and missing images).
--
Charles N. Haas
haas@...
searching:
Romania: SIMON, SIMONOVITCH, HERZKOVITZ, AVRAM
France: ROSENFELD, ROSENFELD-ARON, HAAS
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island - How I Find Records #general

Bev Potter <brpotter@...>
 

My approach is this:

I enter a last name on the initial search screen using my best guess
as to correct spelling. Of course, there really is no correct spelling
since all of our names were determined by people who likely
couldn't spell or possibly even read. Our names were written down
by people speaking different languages and have now been transcribed
into this system using a best guess approach.

If I don't get a matching result >from that initial search, Then I click
"Edit" for the NAME and GENDER. There you will see a selection list of
alternative spellings. I have found this to be incredibly useful. Check off
multiple spellings or all spellings and run again.

I have located 42 "potential members" of the same family using this method.

Don't expect the name to be spelled the way you think it should be -
consider other alternatives.

Note that there are other Edit capabilities such as age, year of arrival,
etc. These can speed up your search by narrowing the field but, they are
only helpful if you are reasonably sure of when they arrived, etc. I was
always told my gf arrived in 1902. Turns out he arrived in 1904. I would
have missed him if I had narrowed that search criteria.

Bev Potter
Boulder, Co.

Researching:
PADERESKY, PADEROSKY, GORODINSKY, SCHULMAN, DEITCHMAN,
AIDELMAN, COHEN, SPEVACK, NALEBOTSKY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island records #general

Niall Foley <niallf@...>
 

Many recent postings have commented on how difficult it is to get into
the Ellis Island records database. Here in Ireland, the best time seems
to be when most Americans are in bed. This morning, Saturday 21 April I
was able to access the site almost continuously >from 6 a.m. - 10.00 a.m.
Greenwich Mean Time. Accordingly I was able to obtain lists of over
2,500 passengers and take screenprints of the data without too much
difficulty. My search results are now stored in my "account" on the
Ellis Island site and I can return to it when necessary.

It is important to register before starting a search and enable
"cookies" on your computer and tick the "remember details" box. This way
a visitor's return visits to the site will be recognised and s/he will
not have to sign in.

Regards
Niall Foley
Dublin, Ireland.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen missing markers #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I guess just to prove that someone went outside and enjoyed the day <grin>
and was not pounding into the Ellis Island database, I went to a cemetery
today -- non-secterian of course since it is Saturday -- and was very
surprised to find that the family had never erected markers on the graves.
Seems very odd. Father died in 1950 and the mother in 1994. Thge graves
are there -- the office helped me find them -- but there is simply to stone.
Nothing anyone here can do about it but just strikes me as very odd and sort
of spooky -- if that is the right word. Guess I have some odd family members.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...
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