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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Barber shop in Burbank, CA and Cleveland, OH around 1930? #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

I need help to find an answer on the following questions:

1. is the occupation "barber/tonsor" called "barber" in English?
2. if a person had a "barber shop" in Burbank CA, or Cleveland, OH ca 1930
was he member of an organisation?
If the answer is "yes" does anybody know where I could ask for this
association for Burbank and Cleveland?
3. I have the following address >from 1949: Harry WAGNER, xxxx Woodland ave,
Burbank CA.
I don't know the birth date, date of immigration of Harry WAGNER. I only
know that he was >from Sighet (Hungary/Romania), that his occupation was
"barber" and he also had a brother Fully (?) WAGNER who also was a "barber"
and lived at the same period at: xxx Vincent Ave, Cleveland, OH

Any suggestions are welcome!

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Barber shop in Burbank, CA and Cleveland, OH around 1930? #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

I need help to find an answer on the following questions:

1. is the occupation "barber/tonsor" called "barber" in English?
2. if a person had a "barber shop" in Burbank CA, or Cleveland, OH ca 1930
was he member of an organisation?
If the answer is "yes" does anybody know where I could ask for this
association for Burbank and Cleveland?
3. I have the following address >from 1949: Harry WAGNER, xxxx Woodland ave,
Burbank CA.
I don't know the birth date, date of immigration of Harry WAGNER. I only
know that he was >from Sighet (Hungary/Romania), that his occupation was
"barber" and he also had a brother Fully (?) WAGNER who also was a "barber"
and lived at the same period at: xxx Vincent Ave, Cleveland, OH

Any suggestions are welcome!

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm


Re: belarus digest: March 26, 2001 #belarus

Zvi Shefet <slonim_assoc@...>
 

Ask the chairman 0f Novogrudek assoc. in Israel Mr. Hertzel Bruk tel.
03-5247030
Zvi Shefet

------Original Message------


Subject: Novogrudok in Minsk Gubernia
From: "Jim Bennett" <bennett@...>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:12:35 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1


Bernie Hirsch queried whether Novogrudok [now in W. Belarus]
was part of Grodno, Vilna or Minsk Gubernia in Czarist times
during the 19th century.

It was a district center in Minsk Gubernia, in the North-West portion
of the Gubernia, not far >from the Southern area of Lithuania. All the
Revision Lists >from 1795 onwards [available on microfilm through the
Mormon Family History Libraries] classify Novogrudok as part of Minsk.

Now I have a question: Does anyone know of the existance of
19th and early 20th century metrical records of the Jews of
Novogrudok --at the Belarus Archives in Minsk, or anywhere, and
is any microfilming being done?

Jim Bennett
Haifa, Israel
Seeking: CZERTOK, BORISHANSKI, ZALKIND and SZECW from
Novogrudok.


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: belarus digest: March 26, 2001 #belarus

Zvi Shefet <slonim_assoc@...>
 

Ask the chairman 0f Novogrudek assoc. in Israel Mr. Hertzel Bruk tel.
03-5247030
Zvi Shefet

------Original Message------


Subject: Novogrudok in Minsk Gubernia
From: "Jim Bennett" <bennett@...>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:12:35 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1


Bernie Hirsch queried whether Novogrudok [now in W. Belarus]
was part of Grodno, Vilna or Minsk Gubernia in Czarist times
during the 19th century.

It was a district center in Minsk Gubernia, in the North-West portion
of the Gubernia, not far >from the Southern area of Lithuania. All the
Revision Lists >from 1795 onwards [available on microfilm through the
Mormon Family History Libraries] classify Novogrudok as part of Minsk.

Now I have a question: Does anyone know of the existance of
19th and early 20th century metrical records of the Jews of
Novogrudok --at the Belarus Archives in Minsk, or anywhere, and
is any microfilming being done?

Jim Bennett
Haifa, Israel
Seeking: CZERTOK, BORISHANSKI, ZALKIND and SZECW from
Novogrudok.


Vilna Gaon descendents/Blaschinski #belarus

Carleolady@...
 

Hello,
I've just received some anecdotal information about my father's family.
Perhaps someone can help me make some sense out of it. My gf Abraham BUSH
was apparently originally BLASCHINSKI or some other spelling. He was >from
"Vilna, Poland". Was Vilna in Poland at some point? I believe it is in
Belarus now, and was at some time part of Lithuania?

His father, Joseph (would that have been Iosel?) apparently was an overseer
on a large Russian estate and was killed while trying to tame an unbroken
horse. Abraham apparently came over to America and "later went into the
army". I'm assuming this would have been around WWI. Any way to access WWI
army records?

Finally, the notes say that they were "descendants of the Vilna Gaon, Talmud
student". Does any kind soul out there happen to have the book "Eliyahu's
Branches" by Chaim Freedman which lays out the 30,000 or so family names
associated with the Vilna Gaon?
Thanks in advance,
Elaine Bush
Carmel, CA


Ellis Island Web Site #belarus

Irving Levine <ilevin@...>
 

Hi,
I want to thank all the brave people who shared their struggles,failures,and
successes in getting on the Ellis Island Web site. After a long time
blundering around I finally reached the registration form only to be kicked
off and never made it to the database. So I would very much appreciate
getting click by click directions to get back to the registration form in a
reasonably efficient way. Thanks for any help.
Irving Levine
Researching in Grodno Gubernia:
Lechowitsky
Lajavitsky
Lewintzcyk
Novik


Belarus SIG #Belarus Ellis Island Web Site #belarus

Irving Levine <ilevin@...>
 

Hi,
I want to thank all the brave people who shared their struggles,failures,and
successes in getting on the Ellis Island Web site. After a long time
blundering around I finally reached the registration form only to be kicked
off and never made it to the database. So I would very much appreciate
getting click by click directions to get back to the registration form in a
reasonably efficient way. Thanks for any help.
Irving Levine
Researching in Grodno Gubernia:
Lechowitsky
Lajavitsky
Lewintzcyk
Novik


Belarus SIG #Belarus Vilna Gaon descendents/Blaschinski #belarus

Carleolady@...
 

Hello,
I've just received some anecdotal information about my father's family.
Perhaps someone can help me make some sense out of it. My gf Abraham BUSH
was apparently originally BLASCHINSKI or some other spelling. He was >from
"Vilna, Poland". Was Vilna in Poland at some point? I believe it is in
Belarus now, and was at some time part of Lithuania?

His father, Joseph (would that have been Iosel?) apparently was an overseer
on a large Russian estate and was killed while trying to tame an unbroken
horse. Abraham apparently came over to America and "later went into the
army". I'm assuming this would have been around WWI. Any way to access WWI
army records?

Finally, the notes say that they were "descendants of the Vilna Gaon, Talmud
student". Does any kind soul out there happen to have the book "Eliyahu's
Branches" by Chaim Freedman which lays out the 30,000 or so family names
associated with the Vilna Gaon?
Thanks in advance,
Elaine Bush
Carmel, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re:Unusual Names (Greenberg) #ukraine

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear Nathan and Bruce and anyone else dealing with this issue,

My sister is married to a man with the name of BERMAN. His parents came
from Lutsk. My brother-in-law is now about 80 years old. The story is this:
His name had always been GREENBERG (or some similar spelling), and he was
born in the USA. One day, he claims, he came home >from school and his father
told him that his name was now BERMAN. No explanation was given. All school
records, etc had to be changed.

When I first heard this a few years ago, I thought it rather strange.
However, this seems to be somewhat commonplace. Or is it only with the
Greenbergs ??!!<grin>

Just thought I throw in my 2 cents !

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...


Re: Unusual Names (Greenberg) #ukraine

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear Nathan and Bruce and anyone else dealing with this issue,

My sister is married to a man with the name of BERMAN. His parents came
from Lutsk. My brother-in-law is now about 80 years old. The story is this:
His name had always been GREENBERG (or some similar spelling), and he was
born in the USA. One day, he claims, he came home >from school and his father
told him that his name was now BERMAN. No explanation was given. All school
records, etc had to be changed.

When I first heard this a few years ago, I thought it rather strange.
However, this seems to be somewhat commonplace. Or is it only with the
Greenbergs ??!!<grin>

Just thought I throw in my 2 cents !

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Jerusalem Archeological Park -- Virtual Visit to the #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Gene Sucov wrote as follows:

"I tried to enter the website described below. The home page is quite
impressive with 3D, moving images. However, when I clicked on Enter, I got
an index list but with no way to go forward >from there. After trying 4
times to continue I got an error message. Very frustrating, especially
after the rave review by Prof. Esterson."

The amazing new web sight which allows you to walk through the Second
Temple in Jerusalem can be daunting. Navigation does require a bit of
ingenuity and second-guessing, because the requirements are not always
intuitive. Here's how to make it work for you.

When you first enter the site at < http://www.archpark.org.il >, there is a
longish, image-laden introduction. You can by-pass this by, at the bottom
of the home page, clicking on "Skip Intro." Or you can simply wait for the
Intro to finish and AUTOMATICALLY be brought to the main page. >from this
main page you have access to a menu bar at the top of the page, or to a
time-line at the bottom of the page.

>from the left side, the menu bar includes "Jerusalem Archeological
Park", "Davidson Center", and the "Virtual Reconstruction Model." The
first (JAP) and the third (VRM) are the main ones of interest to the
visitor to the site. However, don't neglect to check the time-line at the
bottom of the main page, where you can select and click on a time period
and obtain informative information about that period.

Enjoy.

Prof. G. L. Esterson,
Ra'anana, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: This moderator also experienced some difficulty getting
into the site. Possibly the site is experiencing more traffic than
anticipated. As with other sites we may have heard something about lately
;-)}, persistence and timing may be the key.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: English translation of words Chevra Adas #general

Stan Goodman <stan@...>
 

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:21:50, Suee20@... opined:

Can anyone tell me what the words Chevra Adas means?
"Chevra" = "Society"
"Adat (Adas for Yiddish speakers)" is a genitive form of "Eidah",
which means "Flock" or "Congregation"

In respect to the synagogue you cite in another posting to this
newsgroup, the name of which contains these two words, the name is
grammatically defective, and should be "Chevrat Adat Wolkowiska"
(where the two Ts might be replaced by Ss in the accent used by the
congregants), which would mean "Society of the Congregation of
Wolkowisk" (the final A is dropped here, because it is a sign of the
genitive case in Russian).

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: To send me email, please delete the REMOVE_THIS >from my
address.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen sorting ellis island records #general

Robert Berg <imbergie@...>
 

I figured out a way to sort the Ellis Island research.

1. I save each web page under the same name -- numbering them 1, 2 3
etc.--like data1, data2
2. After I log off the website I open the page and copy and paste the data
into an Excel (2000 version) spread sheet.
3. After copying the data into a spread sheet , select the data and click
on edit, clear, formats--this will get rid of the HTML formatting.
4. Now your data is all alligned in rows which you can sort by alphabetical
order, date, residence etc

Worked for me


My experience with the Ellis Island Database #general

JGLois@...
 

I have finally been successful accessing the Ellis Island passenger
records online. It takes persistence but I found that once I was able to
register I had an easier time staying in and/or reentering the site.
That is the good news.

However, I was having little success finding those elusive passengers
in my family so I decided to do some experimentation with names for
which I have already found the manifest entries, in the past ten years
of researching, while using the microfilmed NY passenger lists at the
Family History Center of the local Mormon church.

To test the capabilities of the Ellis Island online database, I started with
the record of my grandmother, Basie SOSNOVSKY (a.k.a. Sosnofsky,
etc.) I know >from previous research that she is listed on the manifest of
the S.S. Umbria (Cunard Line) sailing >from Liverpool to NY on July 18,
1903. I have the manifest page in front of me and her name is spelled
on the page "Base SASNOWSKY." In 1991 I had little trouble finding it
using the standard soundex method. That method also returned most
of the variations one might encounter including the "SKI" ending. However,
using the online database I was unable to access it unless I entered the
exact spelling on the manifest. When I used any of the "sound-alike"
spellings I met with failure even with the alternate spelling summary.
Needless to say, I have a new found respect for the use of the soundex
codes.

My next experiment, with the database, was to enter the name of a
great uncle who arrived on the S.S. Batavia, 14 Apr 1907, >from Hamburg.
Once again I had "found" him on that manifest by using the standard
soundex.

The name on the manifest is "Mottel Meziritzky." I have found many
of the entries for MEZHIRITZKY family members, all with different spellings
but all falling within the soundex code M263. With the manifest page in
front of me, I entered the name "Meziritzky." There was no such entry in
the database. Realizing that the vowels could easily be misinterpreted
by the transcriber, I tried substituting an "i" for the "e" with the same
result.

After numerous failed attempts to bring up the entry, I decided to conduct
yet another experiment with the database. I took one entry on the same
page that I was certain could not have been misinterpreted by the
transcriber and I entered it. It returned the correct entry, which then
allowed me to bring up the whole page, on which my relative was listed. In
comparing the database spelling with the actual page I began to see a
pattern of misinterpretation in the data entries. I believe this comes in
part >from the more strict criteria of the database search and in the data
entry itself. At least on this page, there was somewhat of a lack of
familiarity with Jewish given names.

The name of my relative was entered as "Mezwitzky" which would
totally change the soundex code. I no longer have a copy of the soundex
entry for this person but I am reasonably certain it was listed in the
"correct" soundex (M263) by the WPA.

As for the present database, my hope is that the search criteria can be
broadened to recognize the possibility that vowels are easily substituted
and should not be stringently applied. There is the matter of the way the
"sky" is often spelled as "ski" and vice versa. The substitution of the "j"
for the "i" and "w" for "v". All the variations that the NARA and
Daitch/Mokotoff soundex deal with beautifully. I know little about how a
database works but am hopeful that the current one used by the Ellis Island
project can still be modified.

Lois Sernoff [Philadelphia, PA]
<JGLois@...>

MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uyezd, Kiev Gub.-> Ekaterinoslav -> Philadelphia, PA or
anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub.


sorting ellis island records #general

Robert Berg <imbergie@...>
 

I figured out a way to sort the Ellis Island research.

1. I save each web page under the same name -- numbering them 1, 2 3
etc.--like data1, data2
2. After I log off the website I open the page and copy and paste the data
into an Excel (2000 version) spread sheet.
3. After copying the data into a spread sheet , select the data and click
on edit, clear, formats--this will get rid of the HTML formatting.
4. Now your data is all alligned in rows which you can sort by alphabetical
order, date, residence etc

Worked for me


Re: Ellis Island database - where are the images of the manifests? #general

MarlaJAP@...
 

Genners:

When it is available, the original manifest image can be accessed by
scrolling to the bottom of the text manifest page and clicking a button
marked View Original Manifest (or something similar). Not all ships seemed
to have been scanned in yet. My pgm's ship, the Moskva, May 1907, is
scanned. My mggf's, the La Touraine in December 1902, is not.

Regards,

Marla Goldman
Mesa AZ

Researching:
GOLDMAN/CITRIN/KOPYT - Olyka, Volhynia, Ukraine/Philadelphia PA and Boston MA
USA
REINER - Germany or Russia?/Rosenhayn NJ/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA
BLEICHER/BLOCHER - Rumania/NYC NY/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA


Re: English translation of words Chevra Adas #general

Stan Goodman <stan@...>
 

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:21:50, Suee20@... opined:

Can anyone tell me what the words Chevra Adas means?
"Chevra" = "Society"
"Adat (Adas for Yiddish speakers)" is a genitive form of "Eidah",
which means "Flock" or "Congregation"

In respect to the synagogue you cite in another posting to this
newsgroup, the name of which contains these two words, the name is
grammatically defective, and should be "Chevrat Adat Wolkowiska"
(where the two Ts might be replaced by Ss in the accent used by the
congregants), which would mean "Society of the Congregation of
Wolkowisk" (the final A is dropped here, because it is a sign of the
genitive case in Russian).

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: To send me email, please delete the REMOVE_THIS >from my
address.


Re: The Jerusalem Archeological Park -- Virtual Visit to the #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Gene Sucov wrote as follows:

"I tried to enter the website described below. The home page is quite
impressive with 3D, moving images. However, when I clicked on Enter, I got
an index list but with no way to go forward >from there. After trying 4
times to continue I got an error message. Very frustrating, especially
after the rave review by Prof. Esterson."

The amazing new web sight which allows you to walk through the Second
Temple in Jerusalem can be daunting. Navigation does require a bit of
ingenuity and second-guessing, because the requirements are not always
intuitive. Here's how to make it work for you.

When you first enter the site at < http://www.archpark.org.il >, there is a
longish, image-laden introduction. You can by-pass this by, at the bottom
of the home page, clicking on "Skip Intro." Or you can simply wait for the
Intro to finish and AUTOMATICALLY be brought to the main page. >from this
main page you have access to a menu bar at the top of the page, or to a
time-line at the bottom of the page.

>from the left side, the menu bar includes "Jerusalem Archeological
Park", "Davidson Center", and the "Virtual Reconstruction Model." The
first (JAP) and the third (VRM) are the main ones of interest to the
visitor to the site. However, don't neglect to check the time-line at the
bottom of the main page, where you can select and click on a time period
and obtain informative information about that period.

Enjoy.

Prof. G. L. Esterson,
Ra'anana, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: This moderator also experienced some difficulty getting
into the site. Possibly the site is experiencing more traffic than
anticipated. As with other sites we may have heard something about lately
;-)}, persistence and timing may be the key.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My experience with the Ellis Island Database #general

JGLois@...
 

I have finally been successful accessing the Ellis Island passenger
records online. It takes persistence but I found that once I was able to
register I had an easier time staying in and/or reentering the site.
That is the good news.

However, I was having little success finding those elusive passengers
in my family so I decided to do some experimentation with names for
which I have already found the manifest entries, in the past ten years
of researching, while using the microfilmed NY passenger lists at the
Family History Center of the local Mormon church.

To test the capabilities of the Ellis Island online database, I started with
the record of my grandmother, Basie SOSNOVSKY (a.k.a. Sosnofsky,
etc.) I know >from previous research that she is listed on the manifest of
the S.S. Umbria (Cunard Line) sailing >from Liverpool to NY on July 18,
1903. I have the manifest page in front of me and her name is spelled
on the page "Base SASNOWSKY." In 1991 I had little trouble finding it
using the standard soundex method. That method also returned most
of the variations one might encounter including the "SKI" ending. However,
using the online database I was unable to access it unless I entered the
exact spelling on the manifest. When I used any of the "sound-alike"
spellings I met with failure even with the alternate spelling summary.
Needless to say, I have a new found respect for the use of the soundex
codes.

My next experiment, with the database, was to enter the name of a
great uncle who arrived on the S.S. Batavia, 14 Apr 1907, >from Hamburg.
Once again I had "found" him on that manifest by using the standard
soundex.

The name on the manifest is "Mottel Meziritzky." I have found many
of the entries for MEZHIRITZKY family members, all with different spellings
but all falling within the soundex code M263. With the manifest page in
front of me, I entered the name "Meziritzky." There was no such entry in
the database. Realizing that the vowels could easily be misinterpreted
by the transcriber, I tried substituting an "i" for the "e" with the same
result.

After numerous failed attempts to bring up the entry, I decided to conduct
yet another experiment with the database. I took one entry on the same
page that I was certain could not have been misinterpreted by the
transcriber and I entered it. It returned the correct entry, which then
allowed me to bring up the whole page, on which my relative was listed. In
comparing the database spelling with the actual page I began to see a
pattern of misinterpretation in the data entries. I believe this comes in
part >from the more strict criteria of the database search and in the data
entry itself. At least on this page, there was somewhat of a lack of
familiarity with Jewish given names.

The name of my relative was entered as "Mezwitzky" which would
totally change the soundex code. I no longer have a copy of the soundex
entry for this person but I am reasonably certain it was listed in the
"correct" soundex (M263) by the WPA.

As for the present database, my hope is that the search criteria can be
broadened to recognize the possibility that vowels are easily substituted
and should not be stringently applied. There is the matter of the way the
"sky" is often spelled as "ski" and vice versa. The substitution of the "j"
for the "i" and "w" for "v". All the variations that the NARA and
Daitch/Mokotoff soundex deal with beautifully. I know little about how a
database works but am hopeful that the current one used by the Ellis Island
project can still be modified.

Lois Sernoff [Philadelphia, PA]
<JGLois@...>

MEZHIRITZKY [MERITZ, MARRITZ, MARRITS] >from Korsun in Kiev Gub. to Phila.
SOSNOVSKY [SOSNOFSKY, SOSNOV - all spelling variations] >from Gorodishche
in Cherkassy uyezd, Kiev Gub.-> Ekaterinoslav -> Philadelphia, PA or
anywhere.
FRIEDMAN >from Beltsy/Balti ["Bels" Bessarabia] Moldova to anywhere
KUSHNER [all spelling variations} >from Tomashpol and Yampol in Podolia Gub.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island database - where are the images of the manifests? #general

MarlaJAP@...
 

Genners:

When it is available, the original manifest image can be accessed by
scrolling to the bottom of the text manifest page and clicking a button
marked View Original Manifest (or something similar). Not all ships seemed
to have been scanned in yet. My pgm's ship, the Moskva, May 1907, is
scanned. My mggf's, the La Touraine in December 1902, is not.

Regards,

Marla Goldman
Mesa AZ

Researching:
GOLDMAN/CITRIN/KOPYT - Olyka, Volhynia, Ukraine/Philadelphia PA and Boston MA
USA
REINER - Germany or Russia?/Rosenhayn NJ/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA
BLEICHER/BLOCHER - Rumania/NYC NY/Philadelphia PA/Boston MA USA