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Re: S.S. Aller #general

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Maurine,

Between 1886, the year of its maiden voyage, and October, 1897, the SS
Aller (launched in April, 1886) sailed between Bremen, Southampton and New
York. After 1897, service was between Genoa, Naples and New York until the
vessel was sold in 1902 and scrapped in 1904.

Registry information about this ship when it arrived in NY on 3 November
1888 can be found on NARA's rolls, number 18 and 26 of the Series M1066.
There are no passenger manifests; only information about the nature of the
ship, the ports of embarkation, its captain and crew, the cargo, the number
of passengers, and sundry bits of information.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

From: trmclell <trmclell@...>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:50:25 -0500

I have located a possible great uncle arriving on the _Aller_ on November
3, 1888. However, I do not know at what port it arrived. I have searched
quite a few websites, but none of them came up with any information on the
Aller. Any suggestions on where else to look?

Thanks,
Maurine Bothman McLellan
Stilwell, KS, USA


EIDB Success - at last! ZEMAN was SIMON! #general

Lthorpe883@...
 

I can't believe I finally found the family of Oscar ZEMAN. I knew he came
to the US with his wife and baby in 1909 and went to live with his sister in
Elmira, NY.
I have searched every way I could think of, for countless hours, using
Stephen Morse's wonderful program, but to no avail.
Tonight I thought I would try searching for given name "O" and start with
surnames beginning with "B," working my way through the alphabet!
After doing the Bs, I tried to imagine how the name ZEMAN might sound, and I
decided to try "S." There they were-Oscar SIMON, his wife, and their baby!
Of course my discovery brings with it some questions, but I will save the
questions for my next posting!
I guess the moral is -- don't give up!
Good luck in your searches.
Linda Thorpe Caciola
Venice, CA
USA


Podusie, Russia - where is it? #general

Lthorpe883@...
 

Hi All-
Now that the initial excitement of finding Oscar ZEMAN listed as Oscar SIMON
on the EIDB has passed, well almost, I have the usual question.
His father, Wolf SIMON (ZEMAN) is listed as living in Podusie, Russia.
This family always lived in Suwalki, but the closest I have found is
Podosie, near Ostroleka, Poland, in the Lomza district.
Could this be correct?
I am hoping that some learned soul might have a more definitive answer.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Linda Thorpe Caciola
Venice, CA
USA


Success Story! (was: BRIGHTSTONE?) #general

Mitch Stone <mitch@...>
 

--- >from a message sent by Mitch Stone on 7/5/01 4:27 PM ---

Persistent lore in our family is that the surname STONE was derived >from
"Brightstone." I'd long dismissed this as as just a legend, since I've
been unable to locate a single individual in the U.S. with this name. But
more recently I've been totally frustrated in my efforts to trace STONE
through many, many permutations of the related root-names (STEIN, SZTEJN,
SZTAJN, etc.), so I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some truth to
the family story.

My question for the list is, what if any are the Yiddish, Hebrew or
Polish translations for "brightstone?"
I would like to offer my heartfelt thanks to everyone who responded to my
original question both privately and on-list... I had too many responses
to reply to each one individually! But because of the outpouring of
thoughtful and knowledgeable suggestions >from the Jewishgen list-members,
I have finally found my father's family. The correct surname turned out
to be BREITSTEIN.

Arriving March 02, 1904 on the "Rotterdam" >from Rotterdam:

0002. Breitstein, Joel M 38y M Russia, Hebrew Lodz
0003. Breitstein, Ella F 11y S Russia, Hebrew Lodz
0004. Breitstein, Aron M 8y S Russia, Hebrew Lodz

Arriving Nov 29, 1904 on the "Statendam" sailing >from Rotterdam:

0024. Breitstein, Rosa F 35y M Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0025. Breitstein, Ruchel F 9y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0026. Breitstein, Lure F 7y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0027. Breitstein, Hersch M 5y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0028. Breitstein, Dawid M 2y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0029. Breitstein, Hinde F 9m S Russian/Hebrew Lodz

My father's father is Hersch, known to us as Harry.

My father will be overwhelmed to see this -- he never knew any of his
aunts and uncles, and my grandfather never spoke of them during his
lifetime, for reasons we never understood. But my family riddle is, at
long last, beginning to unravel.

I'm more then a little overwhelmed myself.

Thank you all again.

Mitch Stone

Researching: BREITSTEIN (Lodz), BRAZINSKY, PERETZ, SANDERS,
HOYT, CHAIT (Odessa), SEROTA, GOODWIN, KESSLER, FOX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: S.S. Aller #general

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

Maurine,

Between 1886, the year of its maiden voyage, and October, 1897, the SS
Aller (launched in April, 1886) sailed between Bremen, Southampton and New
York. After 1897, service was between Genoa, Naples and New York until the
vessel was sold in 1902 and scrapped in 1904.

Registry information about this ship when it arrived in NY on 3 November
1888 can be found on NARA's rolls, number 18 and 26 of the Series M1066.
There are no passenger manifests; only information about the nature of the
ship, the ports of embarkation, its captain and crew, the cargo, the number
of passengers, and sundry bits of information.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

From: trmclell <trmclell@...>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:50:25 -0500

I have located a possible great uncle arriving on the _Aller_ on November
3, 1888. However, I do not know at what port it arrived. I have searched
quite a few websites, but none of them came up with any information on the
Aller. Any suggestions on where else to look?

Thanks,
Maurine Bothman McLellan
Stilwell, KS, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EIDB Success - at last! ZEMAN was SIMON! #general

Lthorpe883@...
 

I can't believe I finally found the family of Oscar ZEMAN. I knew he came
to the US with his wife and baby in 1909 and went to live with his sister in
Elmira, NY.
I have searched every way I could think of, for countless hours, using
Stephen Morse's wonderful program, but to no avail.
Tonight I thought I would try searching for given name "O" and start with
surnames beginning with "B," working my way through the alphabet!
After doing the Bs, I tried to imagine how the name ZEMAN might sound, and I
decided to try "S." There they were-Oscar SIMON, his wife, and their baby!
Of course my discovery brings with it some questions, but I will save the
questions for my next posting!
I guess the moral is -- don't give up!
Good luck in your searches.
Linda Thorpe Caciola
Venice, CA
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Podusie, Russia - where is it? #general

Lthorpe883@...
 

Hi All-
Now that the initial excitement of finding Oscar ZEMAN listed as Oscar SIMON
on the EIDB has passed, well almost, I have the usual question.
His father, Wolf SIMON (ZEMAN) is listed as living in Podusie, Russia.
This family always lived in Suwalki, but the closest I have found is
Podosie, near Ostroleka, Poland, in the Lomza district.
Could this be correct?
I am hoping that some learned soul might have a more definitive answer.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Linda Thorpe Caciola
Venice, CA
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Success Story! (was: BRIGHTSTONE?) #general

Mitch Stone <mitch@...>
 

--- >from a message sent by Mitch Stone on 7/5/01 4:27 PM ---

Persistent lore in our family is that the surname STONE was derived >from
"Brightstone." I'd long dismissed this as as just a legend, since I've
been unable to locate a single individual in the U.S. with this name. But
more recently I've been totally frustrated in my efforts to trace STONE
through many, many permutations of the related root-names (STEIN, SZTEJN,
SZTAJN, etc.), so I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some truth to
the family story.

My question for the list is, what if any are the Yiddish, Hebrew or
Polish translations for "brightstone?"
I would like to offer my heartfelt thanks to everyone who responded to my
original question both privately and on-list... I had too many responses
to reply to each one individually! But because of the outpouring of
thoughtful and knowledgeable suggestions >from the Jewishgen list-members,
I have finally found my father's family. The correct surname turned out
to be BREITSTEIN.

Arriving March 02, 1904 on the "Rotterdam" >from Rotterdam:

0002. Breitstein, Joel M 38y M Russia, Hebrew Lodz
0003. Breitstein, Ella F 11y S Russia, Hebrew Lodz
0004. Breitstein, Aron M 8y S Russia, Hebrew Lodz

Arriving Nov 29, 1904 on the "Statendam" sailing >from Rotterdam:

0024. Breitstein, Rosa F 35y M Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0025. Breitstein, Ruchel F 9y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0026. Breitstein, Lure F 7y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0027. Breitstein, Hersch M 5y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0028. Breitstein, Dawid M 2y S Russian/Hebrew Lodz
0029. Breitstein, Hinde F 9m S Russian/Hebrew Lodz

My father's father is Hersch, known to us as Harry.

My father will be overwhelmed to see this -- he never knew any of his
aunts and uncles, and my grandfather never spoke of them during his
lifetime, for reasons we never understood. But my family riddle is, at
long last, beginning to unravel.

I'm more then a little overwhelmed myself.

Thank you all again.

Mitch Stone

Researching: BREITSTEIN (Lodz), BRAZINSKY, PERETZ, SANDERS,
HOYT, CHAIT (Odessa), SEROTA, GOODWIN, KESSLER, FOX


Re: give name, Idis -- male?? #general

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

My name in "Hebrew" is Marem Idis, and my whole life I have been told by
those "in the know" that these are not Hebrew names, but possibly Yiddish
names. My mother insists that these name are Hebrew. My name is Mirta Ines
(my given names in Spanish...a Russian Jew born in Argentina...:-)

B'shalom
Mirta Dreiman
California


Poland to US in 1889 #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

I need to pick your brains. If my great grandfather immigrated in 1889 but
as of 1920 hadn't been naturalized...aside >from knowing he's >from Poland,
how can I find out more? He didn't show up on a census until 1920. I haven't
bee able to find out anything more.

Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca


STONE FRANKEL ASHKENAZY #general

Denise Allen <deniseallen55@...>
 

Hi Everyone
I’m new to the list and I wondered if any one could help with my family.
Montifore Simon STONE was born 3 March 1895 Melbourne Victoria Australia he
married Phyllis Lennore FRANKEL about 1924 in either England or South
Africa.
My father Maurice Lionel STONE was their first child he was born in
Middlesex England on 15 Dec 1924.
His brother Joseph Albert STONE was born in South Africa 27 April 1926.
Phyllis Lennore FRANKEL died Johannesburg Hospital 28 Dec 1926.
The family them came to Australia and the boys were brought up by their
grandmother Lena FRANKEL.
I have been unable to find a marriage cert number for Monty and Phyllis in
England (which I think is most likely as Dad was born there) and I don’t
know how to look for one in South Africa.
Also I have been unable to find Phyllis’s birth in England her parents
Joseph FRANKEL/FRANKLIN & Lena ASHKANAZY were married 4th July 1894 North
London Synagogue Middlesex, again I am unsure how to look for South Africa
I have a number of problems with this family and would be grateful for any
help or suggestions on where to go next.
Thankyou very much for reading all this reading .
Any help will be most appreciated

Denise Allen


Re: Gitla Leja and Sura Leja #general

Gerd Chalupecky <GChalupecky@...>
 

"Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybru@...> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:002701c10628$846ed8c0$94020840@sally...

Gitl is a Yiddish name >from the German for "good" so its Hebrew
translation would be Tova. Sura is of course Sarah. The two names do not
have any obvious and would probably be used for different people, with or
without Leja.

However, since Gitl means good, I can see parents calling any "good
little girl" Gitl. The same as my Uncle Honey, he obviously wasn't named
Honey, his wife called him Honey so much everyone did; and a doctor I
worked with had to put his foot down to stop being called Sweetie by
everyone, because his fiancee, who worked there also, kept calling him
Sweetie.

So I think any girl could possibly end up being called Gitl.
Hello Sally,

the name 'Gitel' (spoken Gitl) was anyway in the 18th and 19th century
as a feminine first name customary. He related itself to the German word
"guetlich" which comes >from the German word "gut" ('good'). The german
word "guetlich" has an own meaning namely "freundlich" ('friendly' [or
'kindly']).

As that for the interpretation described by you for 'Gitl', 'good little
girl' is come, I do not know however. I do not believe however that the
first name 'Gitel' entirely took into oblivion.

from that 'Gitla Leja' could absolutely be the name of the one girl
while the other 'Sura' is being named.

Regards
Gerd Chalupecky
Berlin, Germany

P. S.: Excuse for my bad English.


Looking for emigration routes: Minsk to NY, 1890s - Baltic ports #general

Jon Meltzer <jonmeltzer@...>
 

My grandfather's family emigrated >from Volozhin (now in Belarus) to NY
in 1895. >from some notes my grandfather wrote, it seems the family got
on a train at Minsk and then went "due west" to a "port on the
Baltic". They then appear at Glasgow boarding a ship to NY. I don't
know anything about what the transit routes were at that time or what
port they could have left >from (Danzig? Riga?); all I know is that the
family doesn't appear in the Hamburg passenger lists (and Hamburg
isn't on the Baltic, anyway). Can anyone direct me to information
about routes that Russian Jews would have taken during that period?

Thanks,

Jon Meltzer
jmeltzer@...


Re: Photo - Nowy Sacz - 1913 #general

klein.francoise <klein.francoise@...>
 

Hi >from France

Found several Nowy Sacz on yahoo.fr. Looks like nowadays Poland
Good luck

Françoise Klein

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen ShtetlSeeker at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/> is a useful resource for questions
of this sort. Click on "Search the towns" and try first "Precise Spelling".
In this case, one result appears.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: give name, Idis -- male?? #general

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

My name in "Hebrew" is Marem Idis, and my whole life I have been told by
those "in the know" that these are not Hebrew names, but possibly Yiddish
names. My mother insists that these name are Hebrew. My name is Mirta Ines
(my given names in Spanish...a Russian Jew born in Argentina...:-)

B'shalom
Mirta Dreiman
California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Poland to US in 1889 #general

Suzecrazy@...
 

I need to pick your brains. If my great grandfather immigrated in 1889 but
as of 1920 hadn't been naturalized...aside >from knowing he's >from Poland,
how can I find out more? He didn't show up on a census until 1920. I haven't
bee able to find out anything more.

Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen STONE FRANKEL ASHKENAZY #general

Denise Allen <deniseallen55@...>
 

Hi Everyone
I’m new to the list and I wondered if any one could help with my family.
Montifore Simon STONE was born 3 March 1895 Melbourne Victoria Australia he
married Phyllis Lennore FRANKEL about 1924 in either England or South
Africa.
My father Maurice Lionel STONE was their first child he was born in
Middlesex England on 15 Dec 1924.
His brother Joseph Albert STONE was born in South Africa 27 April 1926.
Phyllis Lennore FRANKEL died Johannesburg Hospital 28 Dec 1926.
The family them came to Australia and the boys were brought up by their
grandmother Lena FRANKEL.
I have been unable to find a marriage cert number for Monty and Phyllis in
England (which I think is most likely as Dad was born there) and I don’t
know how to look for one in South Africa.
Also I have been unable to find Phyllis’s birth in England her parents
Joseph FRANKEL/FRANKLIN & Lena ASHKANAZY were married 4th July 1894 North
London Synagogue Middlesex, again I am unsure how to look for South Africa
I have a number of problems with this family and would be grateful for any
help or suggestions on where to go next.
Thankyou very much for reading all this reading .
Any help will be most appreciated

Denise Allen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gitla Leja and Sura Leja #general

Gerd Chalupecky <GChalupecky@...>
 

"Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybru@...> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:002701c10628$846ed8c0$94020840@sally...

Gitl is a Yiddish name >from the German for "good" so its Hebrew
translation would be Tova. Sura is of course Sarah. The two names do not
have any obvious and would probably be used for different people, with or
without Leja.

However, since Gitl means good, I can see parents calling any "good
little girl" Gitl. The same as my Uncle Honey, he obviously wasn't named
Honey, his wife called him Honey so much everyone did; and a doctor I
worked with had to put his foot down to stop being called Sweetie by
everyone, because his fiancee, who worked there also, kept calling him
Sweetie.

So I think any girl could possibly end up being called Gitl.
Hello Sally,

the name 'Gitel' (spoken Gitl) was anyway in the 18th and 19th century
as a feminine first name customary. He related itself to the German word
"guetlich" which comes >from the German word "gut" ('good'). The german
word "guetlich" has an own meaning namely "freundlich" ('friendly' [or
'kindly']).

As that for the interpretation described by you for 'Gitl', 'good little
girl' is come, I do not know however. I do not believe however that the
first name 'Gitel' entirely took into oblivion.

from that 'Gitla Leja' could absolutely be the name of the one girl
while the other 'Sura' is being named.

Regards
Gerd Chalupecky
Berlin, Germany

P. S.: Excuse for my bad English.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for emigration routes: Minsk to NY, 1890s - Baltic ports #general

Jon Meltzer <jonmeltzer@...>
 

My grandfather's family emigrated >from Volozhin (now in Belarus) to NY
in 1895. >from some notes my grandfather wrote, it seems the family got
on a train at Minsk and then went "due west" to a "port on the
Baltic". They then appear at Glasgow boarding a ship to NY. I don't
know anything about what the transit routes were at that time or what
port they could have left >from (Danzig? Riga?); all I know is that the
family doesn't appear in the Hamburg passenger lists (and Hamburg
isn't on the Baltic, anyway). Can anyone direct me to information
about routes that Russian Jews would have taken during that period?

Thanks,

Jon Meltzer
jmeltzer@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Photo - Nowy Sacz - 1913 #general

klein.francoise <klein.francoise@...>
 

Hi >from France

Found several Nowy Sacz on yahoo.fr. Looks like nowadays Poland
Good luck

Françoise Klein

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen ShtetlSeeker at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/> is a useful resource for questions
of this sort. Click on "Search the towns" and try first "Precise Spelling".
In this case, one result appears.