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ATTENTION Participants in London2001 conference #galicia

Edward Goldstein <edwardg2@...>
 

The Galitzianer is looking for news about the London2001 conference
for publication in the Summer issue, which goes to press in early
August.

So ... send me your news stories or observations, serious or
humorous, short or long. Digitized photographs are also welcome.

Address emails to <e.goldstein@...>. Material may be in the body
of the message or in an attachment.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE!

Edward Goldstein
Editor, The Galitzianer
--


WOHL #galicia

Marta Bertolini <marta.bertolini@...>
 

my name is Marta Bertolini and I live in Rome Italy.

Together with my father Bruno and my uncle Giorgio, we are trying to
discover something about our family, I mean about my grand-mother's family.
All I know is what my grand mother was able to tell us.

Here is our genealogy as far as we are aware about it, please let me know
if there is something in common with your one, it would be really nice to
find out we still have relatives somewhere in the world and to know
something more about our ancestors!

Thank you.

Marta


My great-great grand father was Markus "Max" WOHL
He was >from Polish origin and was born in Bolechov (Striy, Lwow, Galicia)
He had two brothers: Ignaz Menachem and another one (about this one we
don't have any information, someone told us he was an actor!)
Ignaz (1859 Bolechov-1913 Trieste, Italy) had a daughter: Iris (who lived
in Italy, married Mr. Pardo and had a son: Lucio Pardo, who lives in
Bologna, Italy and who is the chairman of the local Jewish Community)
The second brother had a daughter: Irene, who died in New York some years
ago, she was married to Mr. MOTULSKY

After his Bar-mitzvah Markus "Max" Wohl left Bolechov and went to Wien were
he married (1881?) Babette LANG (she was German, and died in 1891)
They had 4 daughters: Elsa, Hulda, Martha, Wally.
Babette died giving birth to the youngest.

Elsa was my great grandmother, she was born in 1883 in Langen in Arlberg in
Austria, she married my grat grand-father Giacomo Raffaele "Ralph" LUZZATTO
(she met him in Trieste, Italy were she went to visit uncle Ignaz). Elsa
and Ralph lived in Trieste and then in Rome and had two children, my
grand-mother Margherita "Rita" and uncle Bruno.

Hulda, she lived in Wien until she came to Italy to stay with Elsa and her
family when Austria was annexed to Germany

Martha had three husbands and lived in Wien and in London

Wally was the youngest, she married Moritz POLLAK, they had a son (Hans
Wolfgang), all I know abiut them is that they were living in France and
that they all died in Auschwitz, and that Moritz had a sister (Julka)


Talking about my great grand-father Ralph, he was the son of Leone
LUZZATTOI >from Trieste and of Adele BERGER who was English (but of Italian
origin)
Ralph had 3 sisters. Estella (Stella), Berta and Nina.
The only one who married was Nina, and they all lived in Italy, first in
Trieste and then in Rome.

Marta Bertolini
Rome, Italy
Reply to: marta.bertolini@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia WOHL #galicia

Marta Bertolini <marta.bertolini@...>
 

my name is Marta Bertolini and I live in Rome Italy.

Together with my father Bruno and my uncle Giorgio, we are trying to
discover something about our family, I mean about my grand-mother's family.
All I know is what my grand mother was able to tell us.

Here is our genealogy as far as we are aware about it, please let me know
if there is something in common with your one, it would be really nice to
find out we still have relatives somewhere in the world and to know
something more about our ancestors!

Thank you.

Marta


My great-great grand father was Markus "Max" WOHL
He was >from Polish origin and was born in Bolechov (Striy, Lwow, Galicia)
He had two brothers: Ignaz Menachem and another one (about this one we
don't have any information, someone told us he was an actor!)
Ignaz (1859 Bolechov-1913 Trieste, Italy) had a daughter: Iris (who lived
in Italy, married Mr. Pardo and had a son: Lucio Pardo, who lives in
Bologna, Italy and who is the chairman of the local Jewish Community)
The second brother had a daughter: Irene, who died in New York some years
ago, she was married to Mr. MOTULSKY

After his Bar-mitzvah Markus "Max" Wohl left Bolechov and went to Wien were
he married (1881?) Babette LANG (she was German, and died in 1891)
They had 4 daughters: Elsa, Hulda, Martha, Wally.
Babette died giving birth to the youngest.

Elsa was my great grandmother, she was born in 1883 in Langen in Arlberg in
Austria, she married my grat grand-father Giacomo Raffaele "Ralph" LUZZATTO
(she met him in Trieste, Italy were she went to visit uncle Ignaz). Elsa
and Ralph lived in Trieste and then in Rome and had two children, my
grand-mother Margherita "Rita" and uncle Bruno.

Hulda, she lived in Wien until she came to Italy to stay with Elsa and her
family when Austria was annexed to Germany

Martha had three husbands and lived in Wien and in London

Wally was the youngest, she married Moritz POLLAK, they had a son (Hans
Wolfgang), all I know abiut them is that they were living in France and
that they all died in Auschwitz, and that Moritz had a sister (Julka)


Talking about my great grand-father Ralph, he was the son of Leone
LUZZATTOI >from Trieste and of Adele BERGER who was English (but of Italian
origin)
Ralph had 3 sisters. Estella (Stella), Berta and Nina.
The only one who married was Nina, and they all lived in Italy, first in
Trieste and then in Rome.

Marta Bertolini
Rome, Italy
Reply to: marta.bertolini@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ATTENTION Participants in London2001 conference #galicia

Edward Goldstein <edwardg2@...>
 

The Galitzianer is looking for news about the London2001 conference
for publication in the Summer issue, which goes to press in early
August.

So ... send me your news stories or observations, serious or
humorous, short or long. Digitized photographs are also welcome.

Address emails to <e.goldstein@...>. Material may be in the body
of the message or in an attachment.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE!

Edward Goldstein
Editor, The Galitzianer
--


Poland Document #general

NZF860@...
 

Can anyone help me translate a Polish birth certificate.
Thank you,
Mr. Frankel

MODERATOR NOTES:
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the posting of Jewish genealogy related graphics. You can post photos
for identification of people, clothing, buildings, scenes, objects,
artifacts, etc. or letters, documents, book pages, maps, etc. for
analysis or translation.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Poland Document #general

NZF860@...
 

Can anyone help me translate a Polish birth certificate.
Thank you,
Mr. Frankel

MODERATOR NOTES:
1. Please respond privately.
2. You may not know that JewishGen has a facility to help with
translations. ViewMate at <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/> is for
the posting of Jewish genealogy related graphics. You can post photos
for identification of people, clothing, buildings, scenes, objects,
artifacts, etc. or letters, documents, book pages, maps, etc. for
analysis or translation.


Re: Burial Information in St. Paul, MN #general

Mike Posnick
 

The former Russian Brotherhood Cemetery is part of the West Side Hebrew
Cemetery in St. Paul. I can't explain why you did not receive a response
to the letter you sent to the cemetery, but I will happy to obtain
whatever information you desire if you will write to me privately.

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota
e-mail: mpoz@...

In his JewishGen message of 23 July 2001, Michael A Kassner, wrote:

Does anyone living in the St.Paul, Mn. area know of an address of a
Cemetery or Temple that I could write to, for the purpose of locating the
name and address of the current cemetery where my Grandfather Michael
Smith is buried.

The Death certificate that I have on Michael Smith, states that he was
buried in the Russian Cemetery in St. Paul,Minnesota. He died on
November 9, 1920, and the undertaker was Jacob Rockstroh.

I wrote to West Side Hebrew Cemetery in St. Paul , MN last Feb.19th, 2001
with a self addressed stamped envelope and never received any reply.

There are three cemeterys located at Barclay and Maryland streets.

North Gate: West Side Hebrew Cemetery, Russian Brotherhood and Adath
Yeshurum

Middle Gate: B'Nai Abraham, now called: Sons of Abraham

South Gate: West Side Hebrew Cemetery

The reason that I wrote to the West Side Hebrew Cemetery was that it was
the newest of them, and since he died in 1920 I reasoned that he would
have been buried there.

If anyone could give me any information on the above I would be grateful
for your reply.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Burial Information in St. Paul, MN #general

Mike Posnick
 

The former Russian Brotherhood Cemetery is part of the West Side Hebrew
Cemetery in St. Paul. I can't explain why you did not receive a response
to the letter you sent to the cemetery, but I will happy to obtain
whatever information you desire if you will write to me privately.

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota
e-mail: mpoz@...

In his JewishGen message of 23 July 2001, Michael A Kassner, wrote:

Does anyone living in the St.Paul, Mn. area know of an address of a
Cemetery or Temple that I could write to, for the purpose of locating the
name and address of the current cemetery where my Grandfather Michael
Smith is buried.

The Death certificate that I have on Michael Smith, states that he was
buried in the Russian Cemetery in St. Paul,Minnesota. He died on
November 9, 1920, and the undertaker was Jacob Rockstroh.

I wrote to West Side Hebrew Cemetery in St. Paul , MN last Feb.19th, 2001
with a self addressed stamped envelope and never received any reply.

There are three cemeterys located at Barclay and Maryland streets.

North Gate: West Side Hebrew Cemetery, Russian Brotherhood and Adath
Yeshurum

Middle Gate: B'Nai Abraham, now called: Sons of Abraham

South Gate: West Side Hebrew Cemetery

The reason that I wrote to the West Side Hebrew Cemetery was that it was
the newest of them, and since he died in 1920 I reasoned that he would
have been buried there.

If anyone could give me any information on the above I would be grateful
for your reply.


Unusual Russian Jewish Surnames #general

AviDov@...
 

Where can I search for ROOG and OPKINS or OTKINS ?
Some of our friends insist these are in their family.
Abe Nutkis Jersey City,NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unusual Russian Jewish Surnames #general

AviDov@...
 

Where can I search for ROOG and OPKINS or OTKINS ?
Some of our friends insist these are in their family.
Abe Nutkis Jersey City,NJ


Latvia SIG #Latvia TUNKEL's originated around RIGA #latvia

Roman Tunkel <ronatu@...>
 

Dear Colleagues!

My name is Roman Tunkel and I am researching Tunkel family
originated in Riga's area. Currently I am looking for any
documents like death certificate, marriage certificate, birth
certificate for several TUNKELs >from Riga and Bobruisk.
Does anyone can help me with advice or some practical idea how
to get this information?
Do you know somebody who can help with that?
Please answer privately.

Mean time you can visit my family tree site at:
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf.
Hope many of you find it interesting and educational.

Please feel free to send a request for a personal user id and a
password. Thank you all for your interest and participation.

Sincerely yours,
Dr. Roman Tunkel
Arlington, MA, USA
ronatuf@...

My family site:
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

Searching for
TUNKEL - TOONKEL WORLDWIDE and
TSERUSHKIN or TSORUSHKIN (appr.1850-1880)
NEMERZEL' (appr. 1880-1920)
ERENBURG (appr. 1890-1930)
VOLKOV (appr.1900-1920)
RABKIN (appr. 1900-1930)
FRID (appr. 1910-1940)


TUNKEL's originated around RIGA #latvia

Roman Tunkel <ronatu@...>
 

Dear Colleagues!

My name is Roman Tunkel and I am researching Tunkel family
originated in Riga's area. Currently I am looking for any
documents like death certificate, marriage certificate, birth
certificate for several TUNKELs >from Riga and Bobruisk.
Does anyone can help me with advice or some practical idea how
to get this information?
Do you know somebody who can help with that?
Please answer privately.

Mean time you can visit my family tree site at:
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf.
Hope many of you find it interesting and educational.

Please feel free to send a request for a personal user id and a
password. Thank you all for your interest and participation.

Sincerely yours,
Dr. Roman Tunkel
Arlington, MA, USA
ronatuf@...

My family site:
http://www.geocities.com/ronatuf

Searching for
TUNKEL - TOONKEL WORLDWIDE and
TSERUSHKIN or TSORUSHKIN (appr.1850-1880)
NEMERZEL' (appr. 1880-1920)
ERENBURG (appr. 1890-1930)
VOLKOV (appr.1900-1920)
RABKIN (appr. 1900-1930)
FRID (appr. 1910-1940)


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Jakobstadt Seelenlisten web pages #latvia

CWhippman@...
 

In a message dated 7/22/01 8:59:36 PM GMT Daylight Time,
elbarkan@... writes:

Seelenlisten Tax Registers and House Lists for Jakobstadt Jews and Jews
living in estates near Jakobstadt are translated and on-line. The lists
are
>from 1797 through 1858.
The census documents have links for individuals to records in other
census
documents.
There is an index for the 1797 house lists.

It can be seen at: http://members.aol.com/liepajalat#Seelen
Ella Barkan
Tel-Aviv
This site is the work of Paul Berkay and grows out of the Seelenlist project
that is ongoing by the Courland Research Group. This website is well worth a
view even if you think you have no direct connection with Jacobstadt.
EVentually this data will be fully searchable in the All Latvia Database.
Bauska and Mitau are nearing completion.
Do have a look. The standard is an inspiration and the layout particularly
helpful in terms of tracing individual families over time.
Best regards, Constance


Re: Sisters Named Bessie; brothers named Aaron #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/23/2001 6:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
avkrauss@... writes:
<< I found a similar case with two brothers sharing the
name "Aron"/Aaron. The younger of the two was known by that name (Aaron),
the older brother was not- but had that name (Aron) on his birth record.
The older was called "Hyman". Knowing their Hebrew names helped solve the
mystery. Hyman was "Chaim Aharon" (named for his maternal grandfather),
while his younger brother was "Aryeh" (named for his paternal
grandfather).
On Hyman's birth record, they used "Aron" for Aharon, his middle name. But
when the parents wished to name a son Aryeh, they chose for his English
name the name used by all the other cousins named for the same Grandfather
Aryeh, namely "Aaron". The older son thus used "Hyman", a commonly used
name for his first name, "Chaim". >>

==I'm jumping in late on this. I don't know what the issue is with the
two sisters possibly having the same name, but there is certainly reason
why two brothers might appear to have the same name.

It was common in Germany until Jews were forced to accept surnames, that a
Jewish male was known by his own given name, followed by his father's
given name. Thus, Hyman and his brother Arjeh, sons of Aaron, would be
known (even by the civil authorities) as Hyman Aaron and Arjeh Aaron. In
Slavic areas the arrangement was similar but different: even after
surnames were comulsory, every person used his/her patronymic as middle
name; in this case the brothers would be Arje Aronovitz Lastname and
Hajman Aronovitz Lastname.

It is possible that once in the USA, one of the brothers (or sisters)
decided that a variant on the middle name sounded more "American," and
chose to be known by that name.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Jakobstadt Seelenlisten web pages #courland #latvia

CWhippman@...
 

In a message dated 7/22/01 8:59:36 PM GMT Daylight Time,
elbarkan@... writes:

Seelenlisten Tax Registers and House Lists for Jakobstadt Jews and Jews
living in estates near Jakobstadt are translated and on-line. The lists
are
>from 1797 through 1858.
The census documents have links for individuals to records in other
census
documents.
There is an index for the 1797 house lists.

It can be seen at: http://members.aol.com/liepajalat#Seelen
Ella Barkan
Tel-Aviv
This site is the work of Paul Berkay and grows out of the Seelenlist project
that is ongoing by the Courland Research Group. This website is well worth a
view even if you think you have no direct connection with Jacobstadt.
EVentually this data will be fully searchable in the All Latvia Database.
Bauska and Mitau are nearing completion.
Do have a look. The standard is an inspiration and the layout particularly
helpful in terms of tracing individual families over time.
Best regards, Constance


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Sisters Named Bessie; brothers named Aaron #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/23/2001 6:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
avkrauss@... writes:
<< I found a similar case with two brothers sharing the
name "Aron"/Aaron. The younger of the two was known by that name (Aaron),
the older brother was not- but had that name (Aron) on his birth record.
The older was called "Hyman". Knowing their Hebrew names helped solve the
mystery. Hyman was "Chaim Aharon" (named for his maternal grandfather),
while his younger brother was "Aryeh" (named for his paternal
grandfather).
On Hyman's birth record, they used "Aron" for Aharon, his middle name. But
when the parents wished to name a son Aryeh, they chose for his English
name the name used by all the other cousins named for the same Grandfather
Aryeh, namely "Aaron". The older son thus used "Hyman", a commonly used
name for his first name, "Chaim". >>

==I'm jumping in late on this. I don't know what the issue is with the
two sisters possibly having the same name, but there is certainly reason
why two brothers might appear to have the same name.

It was common in Germany until Jews were forced to accept surnames, that a
Jewish male was known by his own given name, followed by his father's
given name. Thus, Hyman and his brother Arjeh, sons of Aaron, would be
known (even by the civil authorities) as Hyman Aaron and Arjeh Aaron. In
Slavic areas the arrangement was similar but different: even after
surnames were comulsory, every person used his/her patronymic as middle
name; in this case the brothers would be Arje Aronovitz Lastname and
Hajman Aronovitz Lastname.

It is possible that once in the USA, one of the brothers (or sisters)
decided that a variant on the middle name sounded more "American," and
chose to be known by that name.

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: GER-HEIR #latvia

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

It is unlikely that Geir/Herr is related to the name CHor.

----- Original Message -----
From: "judy miller" <judymiller@...>
Subject: [latvia] Re: GER-HEIR


Could this name be related to Chor (or Khor) family of Vilkimer and nearby
Taujenai? My ggf was Abram Chor who lived in Taujenai in 1911. He had
two
daughters, Hattie and Gertrude, who moved to America in 1906 and 1911, one
daughter, Freyda, who was 15 years old in 1913, and a son.

Judy Miller
researching Sidlin, Chor, Miller, Nathanson, Rifkovtiz, Rabinowitz, Rom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold Rhode" <hrhode@...>
Subject: [latvia] GER-HEIR

If I am correct, I think the Ger/Heir/Herr family orginates in northern
Lithuania, around the Pakroi area. I think that because of the many
Revision List records >from that family name >from the early and
mid-1850s.

Some also live in Ponevezh.

Harold Rhode


Re: GER-HEIR #latvia

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

It is unlikely that Geir/Herr is related to the name CHor.

----- Original Message -----
From: "judy miller" <judymiller@...>
Subject: [latvia] Re: GER-HEIR


Could this name be related to Chor (or Khor) family of Vilkimer and nearby
Taujenai? My ggf was Abram Chor who lived in Taujenai in 1911. He had
two
daughters, Hattie and Gertrude, who moved to America in 1906 and 1911, one
daughter, Freyda, who was 15 years old in 1913, and a son.

Judy Miller
researching Sidlin, Chor, Miller, Nathanson, Rifkovtiz, Rabinowitz, Rom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold Rhode" <hrhode@...>
Subject: [latvia] GER-HEIR

If I am correct, I think the Ger/Heir/Herr family orginates in northern
Lithuania, around the Pakroi area. I think that because of the many
Revision List records >from that family name >from the early and
mid-1850s.

Some also live in Ponevezh.

Harold Rhode


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: The Lithuanian "O" #lithuania

Steve Levine <gen_news@...>
 

Here's another twist: I recently found the Ellis Island manifest for my great grandfather Shaul Lewin and his daughter Dvora on the EIDB. They were listed on the manifest as "Shoil" and "Dvoira." Tell me that isn't an artifact of their pronunciation. . . .

Steve Levine
West Hartford, CT


Re: The Lithuanian "O" #lithuania

Steve Levine <gen_news@...>
 

Here's another twist: I recently found the Ellis Island manifest for my great grandfather Shaul Lewin and his daughter Dvora on the EIDB. They were listed on the manifest as "Shoil" and "Dvoira." Tell me that isn't an artifact of their pronunciation. . . .

Steve Levine
West Hartford, CT