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The JGFF and time periods #usa

Rachel Unkefer <runkefer@...>
 

I agree with Helene Kenvin that the JGFF could be more useful if
there were a way to designate time period, not only for EA SIGGERS,
but others as well, considering the parapatetic nature of the
population we're researching. In the old old days of the internet,
there was something called the RootsWeb Surname List where you put
your surnames in a specific format, showing the dates covered and the
migration list. For example:

Doernberg 1730 ----- Vacha,THE,DEU>USA

This is clearly impractical for the JGFF, but, it seems to me that
adding two fields, beginning and ending years, would help everyone in
the JGFF. For example, I know specific time spans for several
families I am researching in specific towns and would be happy to add
them. If somebody didn't know the time span it could remain blank.
Even a century would help. I could then have my JGFF listings look
something like this:

Goldschmidt, Birkenfeld, Germany, 1760-1857
Goldschmidt, Philadelphia, USA, 1857-1900
Goldschmidt, Memphis, USA, 1860-1900

This also points out another issue with the JGFF, and that is it
allows for city names and countries, but no provinces, states, etc.
If I search for "Springfield" in the city field and then USA for
country, it will match with every Springfield in every state. If you
think everyone who has entered a US town into the JGFF also included
the state, think again. Try the search yourself. Not everyone has
included a state--mainly because it is not prompted for. Also, I have
often wanted to search for an entire state before, and there is no
way to do it. Suppose I want to find out who else was in small towns
in Alabama. I would have to search by each individual town name.

I realize that adding fields to the JGFF would be a huge undertaking,
but it would provide better tools for all the users and we would not
even be having this conversation about having our own version of it.

Rachel Unkefer Central Virginia, USA

Early American SIG #USA The JGFF and time periods #usa

Rachel Unkefer <runkefer@...>
 

I agree with Helene Kenvin that the JGFF could be more useful if
there were a way to designate time period, not only for EA SIGGERS,
but others as well, considering the parapatetic nature of the
population we're researching. In the old old days of the internet,
there was something called the RootsWeb Surname List where you put
your surnames in a specific format, showing the dates covered and the
migration list. For example:

Doernberg 1730 ----- Vacha,THE,DEU>USA

This is clearly impractical for the JGFF, but, it seems to me that
adding two fields, beginning and ending years, would help everyone in
the JGFF. For example, I know specific time spans for several
families I am researching in specific towns and would be happy to add
them. If somebody didn't know the time span it could remain blank.
Even a century would help. I could then have my JGFF listings look
something like this:

Goldschmidt, Birkenfeld, Germany, 1760-1857
Goldschmidt, Philadelphia, USA, 1857-1900
Goldschmidt, Memphis, USA, 1860-1900

This also points out another issue with the JGFF, and that is it
allows for city names and countries, but no provinces, states, etc.
If I search for "Springfield" in the city field and then USA for
country, it will match with every Springfield in every state. If you
think everyone who has entered a US town into the JGFF also included
the state, think again. Try the search yourself. Not everyone has
included a state--mainly because it is not prompted for. Also, I have
often wanted to search for an entire state before, and there is no
way to do it. Suppose I want to find out who else was in small towns
in Alabama. I would have to search by each individual town name.

I realize that adding fields to the JGFF would be a huge undertaking,
but it would provide better tools for all the users and we would not
even be having this conversation about having our own version of it.

Rachel Unkefer Central Virginia, USA

Re: database #usa

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Joe, You have some very excellent suggestions!

As regards an Easton Jewish burial/cemetery list, that should go
directly to JOWBR, not with the book, Any introductory material that
you produce for the book should make a referral to the list on JOWBR,
and vice versa on the JOWBR list, with a referral to the book listing on
our site.

You might try to contact the City of Easton at
<cityhall@...> to see if anyone there can help you with any
Jewish burial records. I did that with Vincennes, IN and got a
terrific response.

Rosanne Leeson
==============================
Joseph Fibel wrote:

Dear Joshua & E A Siggers

I think we have agreed that we can't make a separate E A J G F F. However,
I think that we nevertheless, should have a separate E A list. There may
be a way to do this off the E A Sig. I don't know how to to do this but I
would think some one else will. (Yahoo Groups)

I understand that we will also be setting up a E A data base deriving >from
varying sources. At this time, I am working on an index to the book
Consider the Years, the History of the Jews of Easton, Pa. >from colonial
days to 1943 by Jonathan Trachtenberg, the Rabbi of the Congregation of the
Temple Brith Sholom (or Covenant of Peace). Rabbi Trachtenberg scoured all
of the Easton records to find every Jew connected to the town >from early
days until 1944. I guess I'll stop my index at 1880 or whatever year we
decide is our upper limit year. Interestingly, many of the early Eastoners
traveled to and lived in many other parts of the U.S.

I'll then make up and put these names in a Excel database. We should do the
same with each of the books in Hal Bookbinder's list of North American
Community Books and then ultimately merge these databases, arranging the
surnames alphabetically . This list is shown on the I A J G S home page.
(iajgs.org). I previously suggested that we should make known which of these
book our members own so we have this as a resource. We can certainly make
this list linked to our home page. Most of the things I have suggested, I
don't know how to do but hopefully somebody will. Obviously, this is a long term project.

There is only one cemetery in Easton and maybe we can get a list of the
Jewish burials there by year to to add to the book list. This would make a
pretty comprehensive list for this community.

The an the original book. If anyone has an original copy that is excess, I
would love to have an original.

"Joseph Fibel" <jfibel@...> Suburban NY NY

Early American SIG #USA Re: database #usa

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Joe, You have some very excellent suggestions!

As regards an Easton Jewish burial/cemetery list, that should go
directly to JOWBR, not with the book, Any introductory material that
you produce for the book should make a referral to the list on JOWBR,
and vice versa on the JOWBR list, with a referral to the book listing on
our site.

You might try to contact the City of Easton at
<cityhall@...> to see if anyone there can help you with any
Jewish burial records. I did that with Vincennes, IN and got a
terrific response.

Rosanne Leeson
==============================
Joseph Fibel wrote:

Dear Joshua & E A Siggers

I think we have agreed that we can't make a separate E A J G F F. However,
I think that we nevertheless, should have a separate E A list. There may
be a way to do this off the E A Sig. I don't know how to to do this but I
would think some one else will. (Yahoo Groups)

I understand that we will also be setting up a E A data base deriving >from
varying sources. At this time, I am working on an index to the book
Consider the Years, the History of the Jews of Easton, Pa. >from colonial
days to 1943 by Jonathan Trachtenberg, the Rabbi of the Congregation of the
Temple Brith Sholom (or Covenant of Peace). Rabbi Trachtenberg scoured all
of the Easton records to find every Jew connected to the town >from early
days until 1944. I guess I'll stop my index at 1880 or whatever year we
decide is our upper limit year. Interestingly, many of the early Eastoners
traveled to and lived in many other parts of the U.S.

I'll then make up and put these names in a Excel database. We should do the
same with each of the books in Hal Bookbinder's list of North American
Community Books and then ultimately merge these databases, arranging the
surnames alphabetically . This list is shown on the I A J G S home page.
(iajgs.org). I previously suggested that we should make known which of these
book our members own so we have this as a resource. We can certainly make
this list linked to our home page. Most of the things I have suggested, I
don't know how to do but hopefully somebody will. Obviously, this is a long term project.

There is only one cemetery in Easton and maybe we can get a list of the
Jewish burials there by year to to add to the book list. This would make a
pretty comprehensive list for this community.

The an the original book. If anyone has an original copy that is excess, I
would love to have an original.

"Joseph Fibel" <jfibel@...> Suburban NY NY

SITE CITE: Downloadable books on Silesia #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

The Silesian Digital Library at

http://www.sbc.org.pl/dlibra

has books available for free download or on-line viewing. They're in
DjVu format, which requires a free plug-in for your browser, available at

http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_options.php?page=plugins

New books are being added frequently. So far, they're all in Polish or
German. (There are also some posters, postcards, periodicals, etc.--all free.)

Of particular interest to Silesia researchers:
--an 1876 administrative handbook for the entire province;
--the 1914 address book for Kattowitz;
--histories of the Beuthen and Oppeln Jewish communities;
and a true treasure:
--Knie's 1845 gazetteer of the province, which describes even the
smallest village in great detail.

Unfortunately, the later pages in Knie are out of order (right-hand
before left-hand for each opening) and one page near the very end is
missing. The former is an annoyance, the latter an issue primarily if
you're interested in Zobten am Berge.

A note about DjVu: each page is a separate file, so when you unzip the
download, make sure it's in a folder of its own.

Happy reading!

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA <trovato@...>

German SIG #Germany SITE CITE: Downloadable books on Silesia #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

The Silesian Digital Library at

http://www.sbc.org.pl/dlibra

has books available for free download or on-line viewing. They're in
DjVu format, which requires a free plug-in for your browser, available at

http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_options.php?page=plugins

New books are being added frequently. So far, they're all in Polish or
German. (There are also some posters, postcards, periodicals, etc.--all free.)

Of particular interest to Silesia researchers:
--an 1876 administrative handbook for the entire province;
--the 1914 address book for Kattowitz;
--histories of the Beuthen and Oppeln Jewish communities;
and a true treasure:
--Knie's 1845 gazetteer of the province, which describes even the
smallest village in great detail.

Unfortunately, the later pages in Knie are out of order (right-hand
before left-hand for each opening) and one page near the very end is
missing. The former is an annoyance, the latter an issue primarily if
you're interested in Zobten am Berge.

A note about DjVu: each page is a separate file, so when you unzip the
download, make sure it's in a folder of its own.

Happy reading!

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA <trovato@...>

Kohanim and Leviim #germany

Bob Weinberg <weinberg@...>
 

In response to Michael Bernet's inquiry about Kohanim and Leviim:
Each are about 3% of the Ashkenazi population. However, while 70%
of the male Kohanim have a special Y chromosome, the Leviim, like
myself, are genetically non-descript.

Robert A. Weinberg, Ph.D, Member Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research
Professor of Biology, MIT Cambridge, MA weinberg@...

German SIG #Germany Kohanim and Leviim #germany

Bob Weinberg <weinberg@...>
 

In response to Michael Bernet's inquiry about Kohanim and Leviim:
Each are about 3% of the Ashkenazi population. However, while 70%
of the male Kohanim have a special Y chromosome, the Leviim, like
myself, are genetically non-descript.

Robert A. Weinberg, Ph.D, Member Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research
Professor of Biology, MIT Cambridge, MA weinberg@...

NYand Boston, USA - Ships manifests *free look- up* #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

You have only a few days [till Oct 4th] to look up this amazing resource for
free: <http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ancestry/free.shtml>

Unfortunately, the NY data stops at 1938. Remember the Boston data may also
hold some valuable information. I have already been able to solve quite a few
riddles >from my family tree, although the free-offer has severely restricted
the dates of look-up. NB: the names of the friends who sponsored the trips of
immigrants are also important.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech NYand Boston, USA - Ships manifests *free look- up* #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

You have only a few days [till Oct 4th] to look up this amazing resource for
free: <http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ancestry/free.shtml>

Unfortunately, the NY data stops at 1938. Remember the Boston data may also
hold some valuable information. I have already been able to solve quite a few
riddles >from my family tree, although the free-offer has severely restricted
the dates of look-up. NB: the names of the friends who sponsored the trips of
immigrants are also important.

Celia Male [U.K.]

SPITZER grave #austria-czech

Micheline GUTMANN
 

I have been absent >from this mailing list since many years.
For the first day I come back, I find the mention of a possible
cousin's ancestor:

Traude Triebel wrote:
<In the same grave are also 21 other people, including Max Stiassny,
son, does someone know this names>
(the photo of the cemetery on your web site is beautiful)

Our cousin, who died at 50 y.o. a few years ago, was Philippe SPITZER,
He began to be interested in his genealogy.
His ggrandfather was Adolph SPITZER who married Netti POPPER.

Best regards.

Micheline GUTMANN, Paris, France
Web site GenAmi www.genami.org

Fw: Lazarsfeld #austria-czech

Ann Jensen <annjen@...>
 

Ernst LAZARSFELD was married to Katte SCHNABEL and they lived in London >from
about 1866 as their last son Emmanuel was born there. On Emmanuel's birth
certificate Ernst calls himself Charles John William WARNER. He died
sometime before 1891. When his daughter Elizabeth married Theodor WOLF at
the Borough New synagogue in Southwark, 1900, his name was given as Elijah
WARNER. Other children were born in Vienna and Teplitz. Ernst was a flour
miller. I wonder if anyone can shed any light on this elusive character.

Ann Jensen
Australia
LAZARSFELD, HNILICEK, WARNER (Teplitz, Bohemia), FROHNSDORFF, VON GERLACH
(Vienna).

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SPITZER grave #austria-czech

Micheline GUTMANN
 

I have been absent >from this mailing list since many years.
For the first day I come back, I find the mention of a possible
cousin's ancestor:

Traude Triebel wrote:
<In the same grave are also 21 other people, including Max Stiassny,
son, does someone know this names>
(the photo of the cemetery on your web site is beautiful)

Our cousin, who died at 50 y.o. a few years ago, was Philippe SPITZER,
He began to be interested in his genealogy.
His ggrandfather was Adolph SPITZER who married Netti POPPER.

Best regards.

Micheline GUTMANN, Paris, France
Web site GenAmi www.genami.org

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fw: Lazarsfeld #austria-czech

Ann Jensen <annjen@...>
 

Ernst LAZARSFELD was married to Katte SCHNABEL and they lived in London >from
about 1866 as their last son Emmanuel was born there. On Emmanuel's birth
certificate Ernst calls himself Charles John William WARNER. He died
sometime before 1891. When his daughter Elizabeth married Theodor WOLF at
the Borough New synagogue in Southwark, 1900, his name was given as Elijah
WARNER. Other children were born in Vienna and Teplitz. Ernst was a flour
miller. I wonder if anyone can shed any light on this elusive character.

Ann Jensen
Australia
LAZARSFELD, HNILICEK, WARNER (Teplitz, Bohemia), FROHNSDORFF, VON GERLACH
(Vienna).

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

I am a new member of your group and come with what
might have been an amazing family discovery. I was
under the impression that my great, great grandfather
SAMUEL NEUWIRTH was austrian. he's listed as that
in the US census.

another of his great great grandsons informs me he was
always taught that "grandpa sam" was czech...

how would I go about finding out?

according to my research, SAMUEL NEUWIRTH was born in
1868 in austria (no city mentioned), came to the US in 1883,
settled in essex county, newark, new jersey, where he married
a woman named THERESA who may or may not have been the daughter
of newark's first optician (and the recipient of PRINCE STREET being
named in his honor.

they had three children: HARRIET, JOSEPH, AND ESTELLE.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks, in advance,

jeffrey leeds
sherman oaks, california
USA

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech HELLO #austria-czech

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

I am a new member of your group and come with what
might have been an amazing family discovery. I was
under the impression that my great, great grandfather
SAMUEL NEUWIRTH was austrian. he's listed as that
in the US census.

another of his great great grandsons informs me he was
always taught that "grandpa sam" was czech...

how would I go about finding out?

according to my research, SAMUEL NEUWIRTH was born in
1868 in austria (no city mentioned), came to the US in 1883,
settled in essex county, newark, new jersey, where he married
a woman named THERESA who may or may not have been the daughter
of newark's first optician (and the recipient of PRINCE STREET being
named in his honor.

they had three children: HARRIET, JOSEPH, AND ESTELLE.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks, in advance,

jeffrey leeds
sherman oaks, california
USA

Igumen #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Jeff Malka wrote:

I have an ancestor whose place of birth in all his naturalization docs
is Igumen in Minsk Guberniya, yet he always told his children he came
from Vitebsk.
The guberniya maps at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/ are >from 1899.
He left Russia in 1904.
Could Igumen have been in the Vitebsk guberniya at some time or other?
How do I find out?
Igumen is really far away >from the former Vitebsk guberniya and has to
my knowledge never been part of that guberniya. I rather think that your
ancestors either have lived somewhere in Vitebsk before they emigrated or
maybe the family originates in Vitebsk, but moved to Igumen at some point
There was a lot of migration inside the Russian empire in the late 19th
century.

If the surname you are researching isn't too common it might be able to
find out the origin of your family by using sources as the All Belarus
Database and Alexander Beider's book about Russian-Jewish surnames!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland;
Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
P=E4rnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,=20
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.=20
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Belarus SIG #Belarus Igumen #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Jeff Malka wrote:

I have an ancestor whose place of birth in all his naturalization docs
is Igumen in Minsk Guberniya, yet he always told his children he came
from Vitebsk.
The guberniya maps at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/ are >from 1899.
He left Russia in 1904.
Could Igumen have been in the Vitebsk guberniya at some time or other?
How do I find out?
Igumen is really far away >from the former Vitebsk guberniya and has to
my knowledge never been part of that guberniya. I rather think that your
ancestors either have lived somewhere in Vitebsk before they emigrated or
maybe the family originates in Vitebsk, but moved to Igumen at some point
There was a lot of migration inside the Russian empire in the late 19th
century.

If the surname you are researching isn't too common it might be able to
find out the origin of your family by using sources as the All Belarus
Database and Alexander Beider's book about Russian-Jewish surnames!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland;
Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
P=E4rnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,=20
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.=20
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Napoleon and Jewish Soldiers #jewishgen

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Another reference I found recently for info on Napoleonic Jewish solderis is
to be foundon the following web site which features the town of Kock:

http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/slady_i_judaica/kock

As you will see, there is a description of Berek Joselewicz who was
originally >from Kock, spent time in France and returned to Poland where he
became a soldier and formed a Jewish volunteer force. He then eventually
served with Polish legions in Italy and returned again to Poland with
Napoleon's troups.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Napoleon and Jewish Soldiers #jewishgen

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Another reference I found recently for info on Napoleonic Jewish solderis is
to be foundon the following web site which features the town of Kock:

http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/slady_i_judaica/kock

As you will see, there is a description of Berek Joselewicz who was
originally >from Kock, spent time in France and returned to Poland where he
became a soldier and formed a Jewish volunteer force. He then eventually
served with Polish legions in Italy and returned again to Poland with
Napoleon's troups.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...