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Igumen #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Jeff Malka wrote:

I have an ancestor whose place of birth in all his naturalization docs
is Igumen in Minsk Guberniya, yet he always told his children he came
from Vitebsk.
The guberniya maps at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/ are >from 1899.
He left Russia in 1904.
Could Igumen have been in the Vitebsk guberniya at some time or other?
How do I find out?
Igumen is really far away >from the former Vitebsk guberniya and has to
my knowledge never been part of that guberniya. I rather think that your
ancestors either have lived somewhere in Vitebsk before they emigrated or
maybe the family originates in Vitebsk, but moved to Igumen at some point
There was a lot of migration inside the Russian empire in the late 19th
century.

If the surname you are researching isn't too common it might be able to
find out the origin of your family by using sources as the All Belarus
Database and Alexander Beider's book about Russian-Jewish surnames!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland;
Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
P=E4rnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,=20
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.=20
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Belarus SIG #Belarus Igumen #belarus

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

Jeff Malka wrote:

I have an ancestor whose place of birth in all his naturalization docs
is Igumen in Minsk Guberniya, yet he always told his children he came
from Vitebsk.
The guberniya maps at http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/ are >from 1899.
He left Russia in 1904.
Could Igumen have been in the Vitebsk guberniya at some time or other?
How do I find out?
Igumen is really far away >from the former Vitebsk guberniya and has to
my knowledge never been part of that guberniya. I rather think that your
ancestors either have lived somewhere in Vitebsk before they emigrated or
maybe the family originates in Vitebsk, but moved to Igumen at some point
There was a lot of migration inside the Russian empire in the late 19th
century.

If the surname you are researching isn't too common it might be able to
find out the origin of your family by using sources as the All Belarus
Database and Alexander Beider's book about Russian-Jewish surnames!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland;
Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
P=E4rnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,=20
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.=20
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Napoleon and Jewish Soldiers #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Another reference I found recently for info on Napoleonic Jewish solderis is
to be foundon the following web site which features the town of Kock:

http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/slady_i_judaica/kock

As you will see, there is a description of Berek Joselewicz who was
originally >from Kock, spent time in France and returned to Poland where he
became a soldier and formed a Jewish volunteer force. He then eventually
served with Polish legions in Italy and returned again to Poland with
Napoleon's troups.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Napoleon and Jewish Soldiers #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Another reference I found recently for info on Napoleonic Jewish solderis is
to be foundon the following web site which features the town of Kock:

http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/slady_i_judaica/kock

As you will see, there is a description of Berek Joselewicz who was
originally >from Kock, spent time in France and returned to Poland where he
became a soldier and formed a Jewish volunteer force. He then eventually
served with Polish legions in Italy and returned again to Poland with
Napoleon's troups.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

Re: Posting Search Names at End of Message #belarus

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Search lists at the end of the message are nice, but they're invisible
until one posts something to the list! That could happen once a day or
once a year.

Moreover, the readership even of this wonderful list is limited. Many
researchers just don't have the time to scan the many, many postings.

Far, far more important: register your searches with the JewishGen
Family Finder: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ and check there once in a
while. Even better, if you have the wherewithal, contribute enough to
JewishGen to become eligible for the Alert system.

And if search lists are your thing, check the list archives now and
then, and also the SIG archives. But remember that JGFF is always
there, one query away, for anyone who shares your interests.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

researching TROPLOWITZ and many, many more

Rachelle Berliner wrote:

This is to express my thanks to all who post their search names at the
end of their specific posts. Many times I have to scan the posts but
have been able to catch the surname search list of those that connect
with me or I can help with.

Hudya #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

My grandmother, who grew up in the vicinity of Pinsk, was named
Hadassah. Jews called her Hodya. Gentiles called her Olga. In America
she was called Ida.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Posting Search Names at End of Message #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Search lists at the end of the message are nice, but they're invisible
until one posts something to the list! That could happen once a day or
once a year.

Moreover, the readership even of this wonderful list is limited. Many
researchers just don't have the time to scan the many, many postings.

Far, far more important: register your searches with the JewishGen
Family Finder: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ and check there once in a
while. Even better, if you have the wherewithal, contribute enough to
JewishGen to become eligible for the Alert system.

And if search lists are your thing, check the list archives now and
then, and also the SIG archives. But remember that JGFF is always
there, one query away, for anyone who shares your interests.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

researching TROPLOWITZ and many, many more

Rachelle Berliner wrote:

This is to express my thanks to all who post their search names at the
end of their specific posts. Many times I have to scan the posts but
have been able to catch the surname search list of those that connect
with me or I can help with.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hudya #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

My grandmother, who grew up in the vicinity of Pinsk, was named
Hadassah. Jews called her Hodya. Gentiles called her Olga. In America
she was called Ida.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

Jewish research in South Africa #southafrica

John Meyers <meyersje@...>
 

Can someone please help me with family history research in Pretoria and
Durban
Looking for Gerson family and Meyers

John Meyers
Port Macquarie
Australia

Re: From another list: LATTO, RUBIN, KOINE #southafrica

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

Morry Nestardt was mayor of Benoni 5 times
Eric Horwitz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Getz" <mikegetz005@...>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: [safrica] >from another list: LATTO, RUBIN, KOINE


There was a Nestadt family in Boksburg - one member having been the mayor
during the 50's.

Cape Town had several Rubin families - including one that may have had UK
roots.

Mike Getz

-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Margolyes [mailto:75342.3217@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:57 AM
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: [safrica] >from another list: LATTO, RUBIN, KOINE

A genealogist on the Rootsweb S African List posted enquiries
about these names:

ZIMMERMAN
LATTO
RUBIN
RABINOWITZ
NESTADT
KOINE
KAMINSKY

If you know of S African families with these names,
please contact me.


All best-Miriam Margolyes
London

researching: HORWITZ, NORWITZ,
FIENBERG, SYTNER

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Jewish research in South Africa #southafrica

John Meyers <meyersje@...>
 

Can someone please help me with family history research in Pretoria and
Durban
Looking for Gerson family and Meyers

John Meyers
Port Macquarie
Australia

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: From another list: LATTO, RUBIN, KOINE #southafrica

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

Morry Nestardt was mayor of Benoni 5 times
Eric Horwitz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Getz" <mikegetz005@...>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: [safrica] >from another list: LATTO, RUBIN, KOINE


There was a Nestadt family in Boksburg - one member having been the mayor
during the 50's.

Cape Town had several Rubin families - including one that may have had UK
roots.

Mike Getz

-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Margolyes [mailto:75342.3217@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:57 AM
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: [safrica] >from another list: LATTO, RUBIN, KOINE

A genealogist on the Rootsweb S African List posted enquiries
about these names:

ZIMMERMAN
LATTO
RUBIN
RABINOWITZ
NESTADT
KOINE
KAMINSKY

If you know of S African families with these names,
please contact me.


All best-Miriam Margolyes
London

researching: HORWITZ, NORWITZ,
FIENBERG, SYTNER

Re: Uma #ukraine

Marilyn Feingold <mrl516@...>
 

Could it be Uman?
Marilyn Feingold

Has anyone ever heard of Uma in the Ukraine?
Thank You,

Lisa Arnett
Finegold >from ?Rovno, Greenblatt Kishinev

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Uma #ukraine

Marilyn Feingold <mrl516@...>
 

Could it be Uman?
Marilyn Feingold

Has anyone ever heard of Uma in the Ukraine?
Thank You,

Lisa Arnett
Finegold >from ?Rovno, Greenblatt Kishinev

Re Uma in the Ukraine #ukraine

Lorna Kay <lorna.kay@...>
 

The inquiry re the location of Uma in the Ukraine is probably Uman, which is
where the late Rabbi Nachman of Breslov is buried, and where thousands of
people flock >from all over the world to honour his memory at Rosh Hashanah.
Rabbi Nachman was the great grandson of the Baal Shem Tov. Uman is in
the Cherkasy Oblast in Central Ukraine.


Lorna Kay
Chairman
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re Uma in the Ukraine #ukraine

Lorna Kay <lorna.kay@...>
 

The inquiry re the location of Uma in the Ukraine is probably Uman, which is
where the late Rabbi Nachman of Breslov is buried, and where thousands of
people flock >from all over the world to honour his memory at Rosh Hashanah.
Rabbi Nachman was the great grandson of the Baal Shem Tov. Uman is in
the Cherkasy Oblast in Central Ukraine.


Lorna Kay
Chairman
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

Re: Czechoslovakia did not exist before 1918 #austria-czech

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/30/2006 1:58:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jamgai@... writes:

<< I . . . come with what might have been an amazing family discovery. I was
under the impression that my great, great grandfather SAMUEL NEUWIRTH
was austrian. he's listed as that in the US census. another of his great
great
grandsons informs me he was always taught that "grandpa sam" was czech...
according to my research, SAMUEL NEUWIRTH was born in
1868 in austria >>

==Everyone is right on this one. When your ggf was born, Czechoslovakia did
not exist. Like Galicia and Hungary it was part of the Austrian empire. Your
ggf was probably born in a Czech speaking area (but perhaps a Slovak area)
of Austria, but there was no country named Czechoslovakia before 1918, when you
grandfather was already 50 years old.

==Welcome to our List. Here's a first useful lesson in genealogy--or
anywhere on the Web: the subject line is meant to be used by you to tell others
what is special or important about your message. Many of us get 100 messages a
day. We are forced to delete every message that isn't obviously relevant. My
experience with subject lines like "Hello" (especially all upper-case) is that
it's someone luring me to view dirty movies, buy sham drugs or invest in
penny stocks that will suddenly go up in price tomorrow. I usually do the same
thing to all unidentifiable subject lines--I delete them. And so do most of
the busy, well-informed genners.

==If you'd written "Grandfather, born 1968, Austrian or Czech?" you might
have had 20 people read the message and a dozen answer it.

==And here's a clue for the name. Surprisingly, it's not in the Dictionary
of German Jewish Surnames. Wirt is German for proprietor, landowner or
innkeeper. Neu means new. This could have been the source of the family name. I
have a hunch, though, that they took the name >from a town with a similar name.
Go to jewishgen.org's Shtetl Seeker. Check out, with the soundex option, a
place named Neuwirth, in Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, or Poland. Look up
the name on jewishgen's family finder. And post again, on austriaczech and
on jewishgen a specific query. And this time, in the subject line, put

<< Samuel NEUWIRTH, born "Austria" 1868 >>

Michael Bernet, New York

Equivalent Value of Viennese Reichs Mark #austria-czech

Joyce Eastman
 

Does anyone know what the equivalent of the Viennese Reichs Mark would have
been during the 1938-1942 era? I have documentation regarding seized
property of family members and would like to be able to calculate what the
equivalent value would have been in US dollars.

Please respond privately.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

Re: SPITZER grave #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Micheline GUTMANN wrote: <I have been absent >from this mailing list since many
years. For the first day I come back, I find the mention of a possible
cousin's ancestor.... Our cousin, who died at 50 y.o. a few years ago, was
Philippe SPITZER. He began to be interested in his genealogy. His ggrandfather
was Adolph SPITZER who married Netti POPPER.>

Micheline; welcome back! I presume you mean this grave - but you gave no dates:

ZENTRALFRIEDHOF I. TOR 8 41 12
Spitzer Adolf age 64 buried 09.12.1886
Spitzer Netti age 83 buried 17.01.1915
Spitzer David age 61 died 26.06.1938

The grave Traude mentoned was a different one in the Zentralfriedhof
Group 6, Row 1.

http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/search.asp?lang=en {English}
http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/search.asp?lang=de {German}

You will find dozens of Adolf SPITZER and many POPPER too - both family names
occur in my family!

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Czechoslovakia did not exist before 1918 #austria-czech

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 9/30/2006 1:58:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jamgai@... writes:

<< I . . . come with what might have been an amazing family discovery. I was
under the impression that my great, great grandfather SAMUEL NEUWIRTH
was austrian. he's listed as that in the US census. another of his great
great
grandsons informs me he was always taught that "grandpa sam" was czech...
according to my research, SAMUEL NEUWIRTH was born in
1868 in austria >>

==Everyone is right on this one. When your ggf was born, Czechoslovakia did
not exist. Like Galicia and Hungary it was part of the Austrian empire. Your
ggf was probably born in a Czech speaking area (but perhaps a Slovak area)
of Austria, but there was no country named Czechoslovakia before 1918, when you
grandfather was already 50 years old.

==Welcome to our List. Here's a first useful lesson in genealogy--or
anywhere on the Web: the subject line is meant to be used by you to tell others
what is special or important about your message. Many of us get 100 messages a
day. We are forced to delete every message that isn't obviously relevant. My
experience with subject lines like "Hello" (especially all upper-case) is that
it's someone luring me to view dirty movies, buy sham drugs or invest in
penny stocks that will suddenly go up in price tomorrow. I usually do the same
thing to all unidentifiable subject lines--I delete them. And so do most of
the busy, well-informed genners.

==If you'd written "Grandfather, born 1968, Austrian or Czech?" you might
have had 20 people read the message and a dozen answer it.

==And here's a clue for the name. Surprisingly, it's not in the Dictionary
of German Jewish Surnames. Wirt is German for proprietor, landowner or
innkeeper. Neu means new. This could have been the source of the family name. I
have a hunch, though, that they took the name >from a town with a similar name.
Go to jewishgen.org's Shtetl Seeker. Check out, with the soundex option, a
place named Neuwirth, in Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, or Poland. Look up
the name on jewishgen's family finder. And post again, on austriaczech and
on jewishgen a specific query. And this time, in the subject line, put

<< Samuel NEUWIRTH, born "Austria" 1868 >>

Michael Bernet, New York