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EPSTEIN in Minsk #general

GSEaston@...
 

Still searching for connections of the following family:

Jacob Epstein (in Minsk) married Florence Friedel. Had 11 or 12 children
including Samuel David (born 1874 in Minsk; died 1946 in US) married Sadie
Shackman
Zolnick Epstein (i think he died in Liverpool, England)
Sophie Epstein
Dora Epstein
Florence Epstein
Morris Epstein
Yonni Epstein
Joseph Epstein
others

thanks,

Glenn S. Easton
Chevy Chase, MD


Re: Medical procedures in Germany #general

Sally <sallybru@...>
 

I was told that my gr gr grandmother went to the doctor in Germany about 5
miles >from their home in Russia (Raczki, Suwalki Gubernia), so that was
done. And one son was born in a hospital-in Gagelsdorf according to the
Hamburg Passenger Lists, which by its name would be German, but I can't
find anything like that.

But surgery that early (especially for a minor medical problem in a child
if that is true) would be unusual. No antibiotics until WWII, and
anesthetics would be nice. People died of gall bladder disease (my gr
grandmother, for example, died of that in Buffalo, NY around 1900), but
surgery was also very bad.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: Polish Birth Certificate--plus death? #general

Sally <sallybru@...>
 

I haven't seen Jewish birth records with notations of death, but I have
seen lots of Christian ones with all sorts of notations about people
moving to the US (with town and exact addresses sometimes), marrying, and
dying. It is a nice bonus and helps confirm if it is 'your' whatever-the-
name-is. Mostly in small towns where the clerk knew the people and was
kept up on the gossip (my guess)-which is why I wouldn't think you would
see it for Jews.

The family would register a death, but it would be unusual for the clerk to
bother to go back so many years and find the birth record. I didn't think
the Russians cared!

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


Re: WWII records #general

NTILL10123@...
 

Try searching through the Veteran's Administration. I was surprised
as to the information they had about or could get and I was in the
Army in 1945 and 46. They may say that most of the records were burned
in the fire at St. Louis. Do't accept that! There's always a way to
get the Armed Services information.
Norm Tillman Albany, NY


London East End Study 1600s-1890s #general

Laurence Harris <laurence_harris@...>
 

In a message sent on 25 August 2001, Sylvia Kaye enquired about
the availabily of the "London East End Study 1600s-1890s" website
as listed on the JGSGB (Jewish Genealogy Society of Great
Britain) website.

As far as I am aware, the author of this site is no longer making
it available on the Internet. The link was left on the JGSGB
website in case this was a just a temporary non-availablity.

I shall try to contact the author, privately, to see if I can
gain an indication if (and when) the site may be re-launched. If
I find out any further positive information I shall post it to
this group. Otherwise the link shall be removed shortly.

For those of you researching this topic, you may find other
interesting links on the JGSGB web-site "Useful Links and
Information Sources" page http://www.jgsgb.ort.org/info1.htm

Laurence Harris
Chairman - Computer Committee
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain


Hungarian Holocaust Victims and possible translation #general

Felice Zadra <felice.zadra@...>
 

I hope I can help you just for some words: I
am a physician and I studied Latin at
the "Liceo" (Classical College in Italy).
Let's start with cachexia: it's the final
condition of a woman or man after a chronic
disease (like tumour),with a considerable
loss of weight.OK for colitis (an
inflammatory disease of the colon)and
enterocolitis (a form produced by a
bacterium). No ideas for Jussuf: is it a
name (Joseph?).Cogetotov: no idea.
Cogelatio: the right latin word
is "congelatio", that is the process
produced by low temperatures on human body.

Felice ZADRA


Re: Phone Numbers With Letters #general

Jcatalano1@...
 

Hi Genners:
Re: David Bendory's question:

I have an old phone number for a family member with letters in it.
Does anyone know at what point the phone company stopped using
letters and went to all numbers for phone numbers?
It seems to me that it was in the early 60's (at least in Buffalo where I
was living). It may have been a little later, but probably by the mid
60's st the latest.
Judith Catalano
Sarasota, Fl
Jcatalano1@aol.com


Re: names of those *remaining* in Russia #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

Almost all of the death certificates and SS papers I have seen of my
relatives that came to this country used "Americanized" versions of
their parents names who remained in Eastern Europe. I do not think it
has do with trying to hide anything; it was just there way of adapting
to the new country. There was a great emphasis for immigrants in the
early part of the 20th century to become Americans and not dwell on the
"old country", which they left because of poor conditions for them.

--


Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado


HMW wrote in message ...

A great uncle of mine died in 1962. He was born in 1870 and came
to the US in 1906. In 1939, on his SSI papers he named his father
as Harry WEINSTEIN and his mother as Fanny PAUL. Before this we
only knew >from headstones and word of mouth that the names were
Hershel Leibe and the mother was Feige.

I understand transliterations and name changes of immigrants,
*but* why would he call someone who is still in Russia and he knew
for 35 ears only as Hershel, now be Harry or Herman or anything
Else. Did he just want to not sound Jewish or Russian on the form
even with his parents names.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EPSTEIN in Minsk #general

GSEaston@...
 

Still searching for connections of the following family:

Jacob Epstein (in Minsk) married Florence Friedel. Had 11 or 12 children
including Samuel David (born 1874 in Minsk; died 1946 in US) married Sadie
Shackman
Zolnick Epstein (i think he died in Liverpool, England)
Sophie Epstein
Dora Epstein
Florence Epstein
Morris Epstein
Yonni Epstein
Joseph Epstein
others

thanks,

Glenn S. Easton
Chevy Chase, MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Medical procedures in Germany #general

Sally <sallybru@...>
 

I was told that my gr gr grandmother went to the doctor in Germany about 5
miles >from their home in Russia (Raczki, Suwalki Gubernia), so that was
done. And one son was born in a hospital-in Gagelsdorf according to the
Hamburg Passenger Lists, which by its name would be German, but I can't
find anything like that.

But surgery that early (especially for a minor medical problem in a child
if that is true) would be unusual. No antibiotics until WWII, and
anesthetics would be nice. People died of gall bladder disease (my gr
grandmother, for example, died of that in Buffalo, NY around 1900), but
surgery was also very bad.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Birth Certificate--plus death? #general

Sally <sallybru@...>
 

I haven't seen Jewish birth records with notations of death, but I have
seen lots of Christian ones with all sorts of notations about people
moving to the US (with town and exact addresses sometimes), marrying, and
dying. It is a nice bonus and helps confirm if it is 'your' whatever-the-
name-is. Mostly in small towns where the clerk knew the people and was
kept up on the gossip (my guess)-which is why I wouldn't think you would
see it for Jews.

The family would register a death, but it would be unusual for the clerk to
bother to go back so many years and find the birth record. I didn't think
the Russians cared!

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: WWII records #general

NTILL10123@...
 

Try searching through the Veteran's Administration. I was surprised
as to the information they had about or could get and I was in the
Army in 1945 and 46. They may say that most of the records were burned
in the fire at St. Louis. Do't accept that! There's always a way to
get the Armed Services information.
Norm Tillman Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London East End Study 1600s-1890s #general

Laurence Harris <laurence_harris@...>
 

In a message sent on 25 August 2001, Sylvia Kaye enquired about
the availabily of the "London East End Study 1600s-1890s" website
as listed on the JGSGB (Jewish Genealogy Society of Great
Britain) website.

As far as I am aware, the author of this site is no longer making
it available on the Internet. The link was left on the JGSGB
website in case this was a just a temporary non-availablity.

I shall try to contact the author, privately, to see if I can
gain an indication if (and when) the site may be re-launched. If
I find out any further positive information I shall post it to
this group. Otherwise the link shall be removed shortly.

For those of you researching this topic, you may find other
interesting links on the JGSGB web-site "Useful Links and
Information Sources" page http://www.jgsgb.ort.org/info1.htm

Laurence Harris
Chairman - Computer Committee
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hungarian Holocaust Victims and possible translation #general

Felice Zadra <felice.zadra@...>
 

I hope I can help you just for some words: I
am a physician and I studied Latin at
the "Liceo" (Classical College in Italy).
Let's start with cachexia: it's the final
condition of a woman or man after a chronic
disease (like tumour),with a considerable
loss of weight.OK for colitis (an
inflammatory disease of the colon)and
enterocolitis (a form produced by a
bacterium). No ideas for Jussuf: is it a
name (Joseph?).Cogetotov: no idea.
Cogelatio: the right latin word
is "congelatio", that is the process
produced by low temperatures on human body.

Felice ZADRA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Phone Numbers With Letters #general

Jcatalano1@...
 

Hi Genners:
Re: David Bendory's question:

I have an old phone number for a family member with letters in it.
Does anyone know at what point the phone company stopped using
letters and went to all numbers for phone numbers?
It seems to me that it was in the early 60's (at least in Buffalo where I
was living). It may have been a little later, but probably by the mid
60's st the latest.
Judith Catalano
Sarasota, Fl
Jcatalano1@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: names of those *remaining* in Russia #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

Almost all of the death certificates and SS papers I have seen of my
relatives that came to this country used "Americanized" versions of
their parents names who remained in Eastern Europe. I do not think it
has do with trying to hide anything; it was just there way of adapting
to the new country. There was a great emphasis for immigrants in the
early part of the 20th century to become Americans and not dwell on the
"old country", which they left because of poor conditions for them.

--


Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado


HMW wrote in message ...

A great uncle of mine died in 1962. He was born in 1870 and came
to the US in 1906. In 1939, on his SSI papers he named his father
as Harry WEINSTEIN and his mother as Fanny PAUL. Before this we
only knew >from headstones and word of mouth that the names were
Hershel Leibe and the mother was Feige.

I understand transliterations and name changes of immigrants,
*but* why would he call someone who is still in Russia and he knew
for 35 ears only as Hershel, now be Harry or Herman or anything
Else. Did he just want to not sound Jewish or Russian on the form
even with his parents names.


Ratibor, Oberschlesien #general

Yvonne Adler <shanghai1@...>
 

LDS films of Ratibor number only three (3). Has anyone out there done any
sort of research on Ratibor?

Yvonne
Los Angeles


online UK Public Record Office Catalogue #general

Robert Strumwasser <RobertStrum@...>
 

I've been trying to find information on the UK's online Public Record
Office (PRO) site https://www.pro.gov.uk with only onlimited success.

I know that this organization hold British naturalizations. Can anyone
tell me what years for Naturalizations are covered by the online search
engine? I can't find that info on the site itself (I can't find much
useful help on the site in general), and I've written to them twice,
requesting clarification, and I've gotten no response.

I'd like to search all of the British naturalizations for Stromwasser,
Strumwasser, Strongwater, etc, and I'm only getting one "hit." If that's
all there is, fine...but am I only getting hits for 1930-1940, for example
(I have placed no restrictions on my searches other than the surname?

Any and all help greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Robert Strumwasser
Sharon, MA, USA
RobertStrum@email.msn.com

Researching:
any STRUMWASSER, STROMWASSER, STRONGWATER, STONEWATER

from Taurage, Lith -- COHN, GLICKMAN, ROZ, SIEGAL, HURWITZ; ABRAMAWITZ
from Kamenets Pod., Ukr -- JURIST/URIST, SAPOSNICK, PETCHEKOVSKY, CZAP
from Sadgura, Ukr -- KARPEL, LOBL; >from Zhelibory & Voynilov, Ukr -- KALTER
from Sudilkov & Slavuta, Ukr -- KUDISH, RUTFIELD, LERNER, KATZ, CUTLER
from Rafalowka, Ukr -- ROSENFELD, BRATT; >from Vilna gub., Lith: LURIE,LEVEN


Re: Lists 6-9 Manchester Jewish School now ready for viewing #general

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

Lists 6 thru 9 are now ready for viewing. These lists include every MARKS
surname with children registered in this school. All school register lists
are now completed.

Each list represents 1 school register book.

List 6 covers MARKS boys birth dates 1887-1894 & admission dates 1894-1902

List 7 covers MARKS boys birth dates 1882-1886 & admission dates 1889-1893

List 8 covers MARKS boys birth dates 1866-1873 & admission dates 1875-1882

List 9 covers MARKS girls birth dates 1886-1900 & admission dates 1893-1907

These are excel file lists. If you would like to view them, or any of the
previous ones, please contact me privately.

Sincerely,

Bobbi Cohen
San Diego


Lost KATZINS; Radhanites; Jews Along the Silk and Incense Roads; #general

Bear Rowell <bearr@...>
 

This is a call for help with information and photographs on an array of
topics.

Lost Katzins:

(1) I'm worried about my cousin Marie JORGULESCO (b. Mary Joy KATZIN
2/10/32 in Chicago, IL; daughter of Wilhelm and Sonja KATZIN). After a
lifetime of close contact, my last several letters to her were returned by
the Brunswick, GA PO. I've searched for her every way I know how and come
up empty. This isn't like her. I'm deeply concerned. If anyone knows where
she is and how she is, please let me know.

(2) Looking for biographical data on my late cousin Olga KATZIN MILLER;
pen name: Sagittarius. I'm not after systematic research; I'd just like to
get to know her.

And:

"Everyone knows" that Jews filled interesting and important roles in an
array of glamorous posts. They were active along the Silk and Incense
Roads, as they were in Achaemenid and Sassanid Persian colonization, trade
and expansion. They were active in Victorian and Edwardian England, and in
the outposts of Empire. The Radhanites (>from the Persian "knowers of the
way") are a story in themselves.

Specifics concerning what everybody knows are difficult to come by,
however. I have a lengthy series in progress for a magazine called "Dogs
in Review." It deals with an array of dog breeds in the Victorian and
Edwardian eras, at home and in the outposts of Empire. Much of each
article is concerned with setting each breed in the context of time and
place, so there's a great deal of info on lifestyles, popular beliefs,
popular culture and so on; in four words, the charm of it all. Like its
sister publication, "Afghan Hound Review," "DR" is an upscale glossy for
show-breeders. They want to be entertained as they're enlightened.

I'd like to make the point that Jews were involved in Victorian expansion,
and in Victorian pursuits, as well. As always, the approach is personal,
not statistical. If anyone has information, anecdotes or photos pertaining
to particular Jews or Jewish families that would prove helpful, please let
me know.

Researching the spread of two breeds of dog, the Afghan Hound and the
Saluki, I noticed some years back that their progress coincided with Jewish
trade and expansion on the Incense, Royal and Silk Roads and throughout the
East. Both of these breeds were highly prized; the best analogies are to
valuable horses or costly caravan goods of the inanimate variety. The dogs
travelled with the caravans as valuable merchandise, not as guards. I
believe that Jews were involved in the spread of these breeds and I'd like
to offer data in support of it. I'd appreciate all the help I can get.

In several senses, all routes met on the Grand Trunk Road, a showpiece of
the British Raj. Information to help document Jewish involvement in the
nexus would be much appreciated.

And finally: I've been asked to turn some lovely family stories into an
article for the same publication. The stories concern everyday life in
Latvia and Germany between the wars, with sojourns at Lithuanian vacation
spots and so on. The stories are loved and lovely; gentle things that
brought a time, a place and a family to life for me. But charm is fragile.
The world-- and the way we interpret it-- have changed radically. I'm not
sure that horses, happy children, Pomeranians, Chart Polski and Kleiner
Spitzen will stretch that far. This is alien corn to the "DR" readers, few
of whom are familiar with the region. One thing is certain: I cannot
conjure that world or the loveliness of it without pictures. To my
profound chagrin, I've lost all of mine. If anyone has photos or
information to share, please contact me.

Bear Rowell
Falls of Rough KY

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