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Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may
have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany.
I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my
grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to
hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and
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Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes:

<< Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the
given names

Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el
Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke
and
Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in
European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz,
Morris

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@... writes:

<< If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel
ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I
know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben
Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest
refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the
Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any
clues about their background?

Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities.
Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the
19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge
following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and
converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis
and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone
with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired
by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means
"under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates
as Saturday (Saturn's day)

A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the
Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most
definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European
origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or
Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany).

Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue
congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by
that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority
were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that
its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g.
Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh)

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may
have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany.
I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my
grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to
hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and
the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes:

<< Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the
given names

Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el
Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke
and
Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in
European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz,
Morris

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@... writes:

<< If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel
ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I
know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben
Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest
refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the
Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any
clues about their background?

Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities.
Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the
19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge
following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and
converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis
and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone
with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired
by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means
"under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates
as Saturday (Saturn's day)

A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the
Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most
definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European
origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or
Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany).

Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue
congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by
that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority
were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that
its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g.
Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh)

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


CALIFORNIA-FREE GENEALOGY WORKSHOP #general

STEPHEN E LASSER <lasser3@...>
 

Attention: Southern Californians

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Orange County invites
members and the public to a FREE genealogy workshop
to be held at the Art Gallery, Club House One, Leisure
World, Laguna Woods, California. The workshop will be
held on Sunday, November 11, 2001, >from 1:00 PM until
4:00 PM.

In addition to one-on-one help for new genealogists, the
workshop will offer:
Access to the Society's library
Access to the Society's maps
Information on using the Ellis Island Records web site
Translation services for European languages
How to find US records
Demonstration of the Family Tree Maker software
Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (hard copy)

Randy Thompson, an archivist >from the National Archives
and Records Administration, Laguna Niguel, will speak to
workshop attendees regarding records available at the Archives.

For more information or directions, please contact:
Dorothy Kohanski (949) 855-4692 or dkohanski@...
Shmuel Fisher (714) 968-0395 or shmuel@...

See our web site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsoc/

Submitted by:
Martha Eisenberg Lasser
Corresponding Secretary/Publicity
Lasser3@...


October Meeting JGS Palm Springs #general

Glynne
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 2:00 P.m.
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Temple Isaiah, 332 West Alejo Road, Palm Springs,
multipurpose room on Lower level
(note change of meeting place)

Debbie Raff will report on the International Association of Jewish Genealogy
Conference in London, England this past summer. Also, Diane Weinman and
Esther Mann will discuss how one organizes research into a notebook format.

Please E-mail to Glynne@... for directions and more information.

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CALIFORNIA-FREE GENEALOGY WORKSHOP #general

STEPHEN E LASSER <lasser3@...>
 

Attention: Southern Californians

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Orange County invites
members and the public to a FREE genealogy workshop
to be held at the Art Gallery, Club House One, Leisure
World, Laguna Woods, California. The workshop will be
held on Sunday, November 11, 2001, >from 1:00 PM until
4:00 PM.

In addition to one-on-one help for new genealogists, the
workshop will offer:
Access to the Society's library
Access to the Society's maps
Information on using the Ellis Island Records web site
Translation services for European languages
How to find US records
Demonstration of the Family Tree Maker software
Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (hard copy)

Randy Thompson, an archivist >from the National Archives
and Records Administration, Laguna Niguel, will speak to
workshop attendees regarding records available at the Archives.

For more information or directions, please contact:
Dorothy Kohanski (949) 855-4692 or dkohanski@...
Shmuel Fisher (714) 968-0395 or shmuel@...

See our web site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsoc/

Submitted by:
Martha Eisenberg Lasser
Corresponding Secretary/Publicity
Lasser3@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen October Meeting JGS Palm Springs #general

Glynne
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 2:00 P.m.
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Temple Isaiah, 332 West Alejo Road, Palm Springs,
multipurpose room on Lower level
(note change of meeting place)

Debbie Raff will report on the International Association of Jewish Genealogy
Conference in London, England this past summer. Also, Diane Weinman and
Esther Mann will discuss how one organizes research into a notebook format.

Please E-mail to Glynne@... for directions and more information.

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


Re: KASZAB from Barolt - Baraolt in Transylvania #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Baro't is Baraolt now, and located in Covasna (Kova'szna) County.

You can get information either through thr Magyar Orsza'gos Levelta'r
(Archives), Budapest, or through the LDS Family History Centers.

Attila Rona


Re: h-sig digest: October 13, 2001-Marmaros County Translations #hungary

NYMONEY1@...
 

Read your request for assistance in the translation for Marmaros County=20
towns. Would be pleased to assist in translation as my mother and aunt now=20
in their 90's and born at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be=20
able to assist with first hand knowledge as well as language skills. Please=
=20
contact me directly for assistance. Olga Berd=E9 212-260-9655 days or=20
NYMONEY1@ AOL.COM=20
or fax to 212-260-9697


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: KASZAB from Barolt - Baraolt in Transylvania #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Baro't is Baraolt now, and located in Covasna (Kova'szna) County.

You can get information either through thr Magyar Orsza'gos Levelta'r
(Archives), Budapest, or through the LDS Family History Centers.

Attila Rona


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: October 13, 2001-Marmaros County Translations #hungary

NYMONEY1@...
 

Read your request for assistance in the translation for Marmaros County=20
towns. Would be pleased to assist in translation as my mother and aunt now=20
in their 90's and born at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be=20
able to assist with first hand knowledge as well as language skills. Please=
=20
contact me directly for assistance. Olga Berd=E9 212-260-9655 days or=20
NYMONEY1@ AOL.COM=20
or fax to 212-260-9697


Jewish names for girls #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D

A small added comment on Dr. Esterson "Hebrew Names For Females".

It is my own observation that the reason girls have nicknames, is simply
because little girls are very cute. (boys are too, however it is not the
same thing, as any parent will tell you) What happens here is really
very deep.

We make up "cute" names for the girls, because this is part of the fun of
being a parent of a little girl. My daughter is Shterna Sorah for
example. So everyone calls her cutsie names (which drive me up the
wall). She comes home >from school : Shternie, or we used to call her
"Terma" which is a name my son made up before he was able to pronounce
words correctly. Menachem became "Anachum". (thanks again to my son)
I use both names and have added them to my dictionary..... privately.
Sins of a parent....
My cousin is Golda. We call her "Guszia". (she is 90)
However, this is what her mother called her as a nickname, my grandmother
called her this, even her own family forgot the name exists. (she is mom
or bubbie)

It happens to be that the reason boys (and girls too) have nicknames is
for another very profound philosophical reason with deep kabbalistic
meanings...

It is usually the custom to name a child after a gadol (a prominant Rabbi
or Tzaddik) whom the community follows. Plus, where you have large
families (which we Jews do (Kayn Yirbu!) (may they increase!), (In your
face Bin Laden & Araf-t - Yimach Shemam!)so everyone wants to name after
the beloved grandmother or grandfather. In the old days (and today too!)
everyone lives together in the same town or neighborhood.

What happens next is you have a classroom of 20 Yosef Yitzchoks or 20
Sarah's!
The teacher needs to have a separate name for each, to keep order. If he
calls out "Yosef Yitzchok do this", so he will have pandemonium as 20
kids go berserk when they realize the fun they can have with the teacher.
To avoid anarchy, so he names this one: Yitzy, that one Yossi, then
next Fitzy etc. and of course one is left "Yosef Yitzchok".

Hoping that this insight spreads a little light on the subject....

Raanna S. Isseroff
Brooklyn, USA


Shinsky #ukraine

Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

Researching the name SHINSKY, >from Russia. The name was changed to
GREENBERG in the US.

Respond privately.

Steve Gabai


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Jewish names for girls #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D

A small added comment on Dr. Esterson "Hebrew Names For Females".

It is my own observation that the reason girls have nicknames, is simply
because little girls are very cute. (boys are too, however it is not the
same thing, as any parent will tell you) What happens here is really
very deep.

We make up "cute" names for the girls, because this is part of the fun of
being a parent of a little girl. My daughter is Shterna Sorah for
example. So everyone calls her cutsie names (which drive me up the
wall). She comes home >from school : Shternie, or we used to call her
"Terma" which is a name my son made up before he was able to pronounce
words correctly. Menachem became "Anachum". (thanks again to my son)
I use both names and have added them to my dictionary..... privately.
Sins of a parent....
My cousin is Golda. We call her "Guszia". (she is 90)
However, this is what her mother called her as a nickname, my grandmother
called her this, even her own family forgot the name exists. (she is mom
or bubbie)

It happens to be that the reason boys (and girls too) have nicknames is
for another very profound philosophical reason with deep kabbalistic
meanings...

It is usually the custom to name a child after a gadol (a prominant Rabbi
or Tzaddik) whom the community follows. Plus, where you have large
families (which we Jews do (Kayn Yirbu!) (may they increase!), (In your
face Bin Laden & Araf-t - Yimach Shemam!)so everyone wants to name after
the beloved grandmother or grandfather. In the old days (and today too!)
everyone lives together in the same town or neighborhood.

What happens next is you have a classroom of 20 Yosef Yitzchoks or 20
Sarah's!
The teacher needs to have a separate name for each, to keep order. If he
calls out "Yosef Yitzchok do this", so he will have pandemonium as 20
kids go berserk when they realize the fun they can have with the teacher.
To avoid anarchy, so he names this one: Yitzy, that one Yossi, then
next Fitzy etc. and of course one is left "Yosef Yitzchok".

Hoping that this insight spreads a little light on the subject....

Raanna S. Isseroff
Brooklyn, USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Shinsky #ukraine

Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

Researching the name SHINSKY, >from Russia. The name was changed to
GREENBERG in the US.

Respond privately.

Steve Gabai


Re: Gita Laya & Selde LUBOWITZKY #ukraine

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

"Maxine Lubow" posted as follows:

"The problem is that my great aunt Gita Laya LUBOWITZKY was NOT with them,
and they had Selde LUBOWITZKY with them. I have found no other reference
to
this "Selde." Is Selda a nickname? Is there a known nickname for Gita
Laya. I have talked to some Russian friends who tell me thery have heard
of
a Jewish name which would be pronounced gee-tuh lee-uh."

The name Gita Leya is an example of a woman's name which is in "reverse"
order -- the normal order for a double name is (Hebrew name) (Yiddish
name), but here we see the Yiddish name Gita first, and the Hebrew name
Leya second. These two names have no link between them other than that
they were given to a single person, and that it is likely that Gita Leya
was named after two different ancestors.

The Hebrew name Leya has a number of linked Yiddish names:

Hebrew: Leya
Origin: Genesis 29:16
Yiddish: Laya, Lea, Leya, Leye, .....
Yiddish nicknames: Lesa, Lesya, Leyala, Leyie, Leyinka, Leyka, Leyl,
Leytsa, Litsa, .....
European secular: Liza

and Gita is a stand-alone Yiddish name which has the following linked
names:

Legal: Gita, Gitl, Guta
Yiddish: Gita, Guta, .....
Yiddish nicknames: Gitl, Gitka, Gitla, Gutka, Gutl, .....

The Yiddish female name Zelde is actually a dialectical version of the name
Selde:

Legal: Zelda
Yiddish: Zelda, Zelde, Zina
European secular: Selda, Selde
Origin: >from Middle German name Saelde "bliss"
US: Celia, Jean, Jennie, Selma, Sophie, Zelda

All of the above name variations should be kept in mind when examining
archival documents.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel
<jerry@...>


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Gita Laya & Selde LUBOWITZKY #ukraine

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

"Maxine Lubow" posted as follows:

"The problem is that my great aunt Gita Laya LUBOWITZKY was NOT with them,
and they had Selde LUBOWITZKY with them. I have found no other reference
to
this "Selde." Is Selda a nickname? Is there a known nickname for Gita
Laya. I have talked to some Russian friends who tell me thery have heard
of
a Jewish name which would be pronounced gee-tuh lee-uh."

The name Gita Leya is an example of a woman's name which is in "reverse"
order -- the normal order for a double name is (Hebrew name) (Yiddish
name), but here we see the Yiddish name Gita first, and the Hebrew name
Leya second. These two names have no link between them other than that
they were given to a single person, and that it is likely that Gita Leya
was named after two different ancestors.

The Hebrew name Leya has a number of linked Yiddish names:

Hebrew: Leya
Origin: Genesis 29:16
Yiddish: Laya, Lea, Leya, Leye, .....
Yiddish nicknames: Lesa, Lesya, Leyala, Leyie, Leyinka, Leyka, Leyl,
Leytsa, Litsa, .....
European secular: Liza

and Gita is a stand-alone Yiddish name which has the following linked
names:

Legal: Gita, Gitl, Guta
Yiddish: Gita, Guta, .....
Yiddish nicknames: Gitl, Gitka, Gitla, Gutka, Gutl, .....

The Yiddish female name Zelde is actually a dialectical version of the name
Selde:

Legal: Zelda
Yiddish: Zelda, Zelde, Zina
European secular: Selda, Selde
Origin: >from Middle German name Saelde "bliss"
US: Celia, Jean, Jennie, Selma, Sophie, Zelda

All of the above name variations should be kept in mind when examining
archival documents.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel
<jerry@...>