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General SOVINSKY - Poland
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Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel. The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England, descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777). The father, recently deceased, always told the children that any one found with the name who knew about the general would be a relative. I have searched Family Finder for them and some other sources. The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY, SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in the UK before adopting SAVILLE. If we had more information on the General perhaps we can locate more information. Any of our Polish military experts out there listening? All help greatly appreciated. Schelly Talalay Dardashti Tel Aviv dardasht@barak-online.net
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Mogilev to Baku (Azerbaijan) 1903
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Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
We have a TALALAY family (born in Mogilev) in Baku from
the early years of 1900s, according to HIAS records in Philadelphia. I could never figure out why their last place of residence was Baku. Recently I came across an article on Azerbaijan and found one reason, which might help other researchers also looking for lost branches. The story goes that in 1903, oil was discovered in Baku, Azerbaijan, and thousands of impoverished Jews from all over Russia went down to Baku to try and maketheir fortunes in "black gold." I don't know if our branch did so. All the sons (and the father visited them, returning to Russia) emigrated to Philadelphia, beginning in 1907, and changed their name to FEINSTEIN. I have not yet been able to locate our FEINSTEIN TALALAY descendents in the Philadelphia area. I posted on this Philadelphia connection previously in connection with the decimating Spanish flu epidemic that hit Philadelphia and the Northeast US (and more) very hard, and that many families which cannot be located might have perished in the epidemic. The Baku connection seems interesting, and might be one reason why missing branches are not where we expect them to be. Good luck, Schelly Talalay Dardashti Tel Aviv dardasht@barak-online.net
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HART family from Canterbury and Leicester, England
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David Hurwich <tax-accountancy@...>
I am a great-grandson of Henry HART of Canterbury, who was mayor of
Canterbury 3 times in the 19th century. Henry's brother Sir Israel HART was mayor of Leicester 4 times. I am trying to trace their descendants or antecedents.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen General SOVINSKY - Poland
#general
Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel. The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England, descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777). The father, recently deceased, always told the children that any one found with the name who knew about the general would be a relative. I have searched Family Finder for them and some other sources. The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY, SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in the UK before adopting SAVILLE. If we had more information on the General perhaps we can locate more information. Any of our Polish military experts out there listening? All help greatly appreciated. Schelly Talalay Dardashti Tel Aviv dardasht@barak-online.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mogilev to Baku (Azerbaijan) 1903
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Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
We have a TALALAY family (born in Mogilev) in Baku from
the early years of 1900s, according to HIAS records in Philadelphia. I could never figure out why their last place of residence was Baku. Recently I came across an article on Azerbaijan and found one reason, which might help other researchers also looking for lost branches. The story goes that in 1903, oil was discovered in Baku, Azerbaijan, and thousands of impoverished Jews from all over Russia went down to Baku to try and maketheir fortunes in "black gold." I don't know if our branch did so. All the sons (and the father visited them, returning to Russia) emigrated to Philadelphia, beginning in 1907, and changed their name to FEINSTEIN. I have not yet been able to locate our FEINSTEIN TALALAY descendents in the Philadelphia area. I posted on this Philadelphia connection previously in connection with the decimating Spanish flu epidemic that hit Philadelphia and the Northeast US (and more) very hard, and that many families which cannot be located might have perished in the epidemic. The Baku connection seems interesting, and might be one reason why missing branches are not where we expect them to be. Good luck, Schelly Talalay Dardashti Tel Aviv dardasht@barak-online.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HART family from Canterbury and Leicester, England
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David Hurwich <tax-accountancy@...>
I am a great-grandson of Henry HART of Canterbury, who was mayor of
Canterbury 3 times in the 19th century. Henry's brother Sir Israel HART was mayor of Leicester 4 times. I am trying to trace their descendants or antecedents.
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Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request
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Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany. I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo. Cindy Gallard Denver, CO MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.
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Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke
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MBernet@...
In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes: << Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the given names Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke and Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz, Morris Michael Bernet, New York WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER (Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F), (Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760); FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss; GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
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Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham
#general
MBernet@...
In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@qwest.net writes: << If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any clues about their background? Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities. Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the 19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means "under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates as Saturday (Saturn's day) A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany). Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g. Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh) Michael Bernet, New York WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER (Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F), (Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760); FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss; GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request
#general
Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany. I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo. Cindy Gallard Denver, CO MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke
#general
MBernet@...
In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes: << Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the given names Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke and Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz, Morris Michael Bernet, New York WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER (Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F), (Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760); FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss; GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham
#general
MBernet@...
In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@qwest.net writes: << If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any clues about their background? Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities. Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the 19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means "under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates as Saturday (Saturn's day) A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany). Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g. Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh) Michael Bernet, New York WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER (Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F), (Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760); FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss; GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER
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CALIFORNIA-FREE GENEALOGY WORKSHOP
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STEPHEN E LASSER <lasser3@...>
Attention: Southern Californians
The Jewish Genealogy Society of Orange County invites members and the public to a FREE genealogy workshop to be held at the Art Gallery, Club House One, Leisure World, Laguna Woods, California. The workshop will be held on Sunday, November 11, 2001, >from 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM. In addition to one-on-one help for new genealogists, the workshop will offer: Access to the Society's library Access to the Society's maps Information on using the Ellis Island Records web site Translation services for European languages How to find US records Demonstration of the Family Tree Maker software Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (hard copy) Randy Thompson, an archivist >from the National Archives and Records Administration, Laguna Niguel, will speak to workshop attendees regarding records available at the Archives. For more information or directions, please contact: Dorothy Kohanski (949) 855-4692 or dkohanski@yahoo.com Shmuel Fisher (714) 968-0395 or shmuel@deltanet.com See our web site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsoc/ Submitted by: Martha Eisenberg Lasser Corresponding Secretary/Publicity Lasser3@prodigy.net
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October Meeting JGS Palm Springs
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Glynne
Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 2:00 P.m. Time: 2 p.m. Place: Temple Isaiah, 332 West Alejo Road, Palm Springs, multipurpose room on Lower level (note change of meeting place) Debbie Raff will report on the International Association of Jewish Genealogy Conference in London, England this past summer. Also, Diane Weinman and Esther Mann will discuss how one organizes research into a notebook format. Please E-mail to Glynne@aol.com for directions and more information. Gay Lynne Kegan President, JGS Palm Springs
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CALIFORNIA-FREE GENEALOGY WORKSHOP
#general
STEPHEN E LASSER <lasser3@...>
Attention: Southern Californians
The Jewish Genealogy Society of Orange County invites members and the public to a FREE genealogy workshop to be held at the Art Gallery, Club House One, Leisure World, Laguna Woods, California. The workshop will be held on Sunday, November 11, 2001, >from 1:00 PM until 4:00 PM. In addition to one-on-one help for new genealogists, the workshop will offer: Access to the Society's library Access to the Society's maps Information on using the Ellis Island Records web site Translation services for European languages How to find US records Demonstration of the Family Tree Maker software Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (hard copy) Randy Thompson, an archivist >from the National Archives and Records Administration, Laguna Niguel, will speak to workshop attendees regarding records available at the Archives. For more information or directions, please contact: Dorothy Kohanski (949) 855-4692 or dkohanski@yahoo.com Shmuel Fisher (714) 968-0395 or shmuel@deltanet.com See our web site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsoc/ Submitted by: Martha Eisenberg Lasser Corresponding Secretary/Publicity Lasser3@prodigy.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen October Meeting JGS Palm Springs
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Glynne
Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 2:00 P.m. Time: 2 p.m. Place: Temple Isaiah, 332 West Alejo Road, Palm Springs, multipurpose room on Lower level (note change of meeting place) Debbie Raff will report on the International Association of Jewish Genealogy Conference in London, England this past summer. Also, Diane Weinman and Esther Mann will discuss how one organizes research into a notebook format. Please E-mail to Glynne@aol.com for directions and more information. Gay Lynne Kegan President, JGS Palm Springs
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Re: KASZAB from Barolt - Baraolt in Transylvania
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AttilaRona@...
Baro't is Baraolt now, and located in Covasna (Kova'szna) County.
You can get information either through thr Magyar Orsza'gos Levelta'r (Archives), Budapest, or through the LDS Family History Centers. Attila Rona
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Re: h-sig digest: October 13, 2001-Marmaros County Translations
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NYMONEY1@...
Read your request for assistance in the translation for Marmaros County=20
towns. Would be pleased to assist in translation as my mother and aunt now=20 in their 90's and born at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be=20 able to assist with first hand knowledge as well as language skills. Please= =20 contact me directly for assistance. Olga Berd=E9 212-260-9655 days or=20 NYMONEY1@ AOL.COM=20 or fax to 212-260-9697
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: KASZAB from Barolt - Baraolt in Transylvania
#hungary
AttilaRona@...
Baro't is Baraolt now, and located in Covasna (Kova'szna) County.
You can get information either through thr Magyar Orsza'gos Levelta'r (Archives), Budapest, or through the LDS Family History Centers. Attila Rona
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: October 13, 2001-Marmaros County Translations
#hungary
NYMONEY1@...
Read your request for assistance in the translation for Marmaros County=20
towns. Would be pleased to assist in translation as my mother and aunt now=20 in their 90's and born at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be=20 able to assist with first hand knowledge as well as language skills. Please= =20 contact me directly for assistance. Olga Berd=E9 212-260-9655 days or=20 NYMONEY1@ AOL.COM=20 or fax to 212-260-9697
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