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General SOVINSKY - Poland #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel.
The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England,
descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777).
The father, recently deceased, always told the children
that any one found with the name who knew about the
general would be a relative.
I have searched Family Finder for them and some other
sources.
The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY,
SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in
the UK before adopting SAVILLE.
If we had more information on the General perhaps we
can locate more information. Any of our Polish military
experts out there listening?

All help greatly appreciated.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Mogilev to Baku (Azerbaijan) 1903 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

We have a TALALAY family (born in Mogilev) in Baku from
the early years of 1900s, according to HIAS records in
Philadelphia. I could never figure out why their last
place of residence was Baku.

Recently I came across an article on Azerbaijan and
found one reason, which might help other researchers
also looking for lost branches.

The story goes that in 1903, oil was discovered in
Baku, Azerbaijan, and thousands of impoverished Jews
from all over Russia went down to Baku to try and make
their fortunes in "black gold."
I don't know if our branch did so.

All the sons (and the father visited them, returning to
Russia) emigrated to Philadelphia, beginning in 1907,
and changed their name to FEINSTEIN.
I have not yet been able to locate our FEINSTEIN
TALALAY descendents in the Philadelphia area.

I posted on this Philadelphia connection previously in
connection with the decimating Spanish flu epidemic
that hit Philadelphia and the Northeast US (and more)
very hard, and that many families which cannot be
located might have perished in the epidemic.

The Baku connection seems interesting, and might be one
reason why missing branches are not where we expect
them to be.

Good luck,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


HART family from Canterbury and Leicester, England #general

David Hurwich <tax-accountancy@...>
 

I am a great-grandson of Henry HART of Canterbury, who was mayor of
Canterbury 3 times in the 19th century. Henry's brother Sir Israel
HART was mayor of Leicester 4 times.
I am trying to trace their descendants or antecedents.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen General SOVINSKY - Poland #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

I am trying to hunt down information for family friends
here in Israel.
The family, which adopted the name SAVILLE in England,
descends >from a General SOVINSKY in Poland (c. 1777).
The father, recently deceased, always told the children
that any one found with the name who knew about the
general would be a relative.
I have searched Family Finder for them and some other
sources.
The name could obviously be spelled ZAVINSKY, ZAWINSKY,
SAWINSKY, etc. SOVINSKY is what they originally used in
the UK before adopting SAVILLE.
If we had more information on the General perhaps we
can locate more information. Any of our Polish military
experts out there listening?

All help greatly appreciated.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mogilev to Baku (Azerbaijan) 1903 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

We have a TALALAY family (born in Mogilev) in Baku from
the early years of 1900s, according to HIAS records in
Philadelphia. I could never figure out why their last
place of residence was Baku.

Recently I came across an article on Azerbaijan and
found one reason, which might help other researchers
also looking for lost branches.

The story goes that in 1903, oil was discovered in
Baku, Azerbaijan, and thousands of impoverished Jews
from all over Russia went down to Baku to try and make
their fortunes in "black gold."
I don't know if our branch did so.

All the sons (and the father visited them, returning to
Russia) emigrated to Philadelphia, beginning in 1907,
and changed their name to FEINSTEIN.
I have not yet been able to locate our FEINSTEIN
TALALAY descendents in the Philadelphia area.

I posted on this Philadelphia connection previously in
connection with the decimating Spanish flu epidemic
that hit Philadelphia and the Northeast US (and more)
very hard, and that many families which cannot be
located might have perished in the epidemic.

The Baku connection seems interesting, and might be one
reason why missing branches are not where we expect
them to be.

Good luck,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HART family from Canterbury and Leicester, England #general

David Hurwich <tax-accountancy@...>
 

I am a great-grandson of Henry HART of Canterbury, who was mayor of
Canterbury 3 times in the 19th century. Henry's brother Sir Israel
HART was mayor of Leicester 4 times.
I am trying to trace their descendants or antecedents.


Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may
have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany.
I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my
grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to
hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and
the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.


Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes:

<< Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the
given names

Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el
Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke
and
Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in
European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz,
Morris

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@qwest.net writes:

<< If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel
ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I
know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben
Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest
refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the
Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any
clues about their background?

Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities.
Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the
19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge
following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and
converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis
and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone
with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired
by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means
"under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates
as Saturday (Saturn's day)

A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the
Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most
definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European
origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or
Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany).

Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue
congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by
that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority
were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that
its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g.
Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh)

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rosenberg Family? ViewMate Request #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I have submitted a wedding photo, which I quess is circa the 1930,s. I
suspect it may be of the Jacob Rosenberg family of Albany, NY. Jacob may
have been the owner of the Imperial Paint and Decorating Co. of Albany.
I am trying to determine if this man is the half brother of my
grandfather, Lewis Feldman of Milwaukee, Wi. I would be very grateful to
hear >from anyone who might recognize the photo.
Cindy Gallard
Denver, CO

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The ViewMate number is VM973, and
the direct URL is <http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm973.html>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Misha, Mendge, Mordke #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 6:16:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sorlen@u.arizona.edu writes:

<< Can anyone tell me what the Hebrew equivalents might have been for the
given names

Misha--a toss-up between Moshe and Mikha'el
Mendge-->from Menachem to Mendel to Mendke/Menke
and
Mordke--a familiar form of Mordecai. Other common non-Hebrew derivatives in
European/American countries are Motti, Motte, Mark, Marx, Max, Mortiz,
Morris

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Translation of Hebrew name: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lkgraham@qwest.net writes:

<< If someone's Hebrew name is Shabtai Zisel
ben Avraham, what does this tell me about his ancestry. I
know his father's name was Abram in the US, so I assume "ben
Avraham" refers to his father. To what does the rest
refer? Also, if I know that the family were members of the
Agudath Achim Synagogue in their town, does this give me any
clues about their background?

Shabtai is a Hebrew name, generally more popular in Sephardi communities.
Shabbetai Zvi (1626-1676) was an important figure in Judaism down to the
19th century. He claimed to be the Messiah and at one time had a huge
following. This dropped off when he succumbed to Turkish pressure and
converted to Islam, but his message was hotly debated among Jewish rabbis
and scholars in Europe down to the 19th century. It is likely that anyone
with that name is descended >from someone somewhere whose father was inspired
by the false Messiah. The name itself is of Babylonian origin and means
"under the god Saturn"--most appropriate since the Hebrew Shabbat translates
as Saturday (Saturn's day)

A term of endearment for Shabetai is Schepsel or a form thereof; I think the
Zisel (which means "sweet one") may be a variant of Schepsel. It is most
definitelt an Ashkenazic name, and with that spelling of Eastern European
origin, perhaps Galicia (in German Zisel was rendered as Suessel or
Suesslein--and Scheppsel is the common form in Germany).

Agudat[h] Achim meaning "brotherhood" is a common name for a synagogue
congregation in the Americas in the 19th century. I think the majority by
that name were founded by immigrants >from Eastern Europe and the majority
were originally Orthodox communities--which does not necessarily mean that
its members or even officers were all staunchly religious in practie (e.g.
Sabbath observance, kosher, mikveh)

Michael Bernet, New York

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


CALIFORNIA-FREE GENEALOGY WORKSHOP #general

STEPHEN E LASSER <lasser3@...>
 

Attention: Southern Californians

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Orange County invites
members and the public to a FREE genealogy workshop
to be held at the Art Gallery, Club House One, Leisure
World, Laguna Woods, California. The workshop will be
held on Sunday, November 11, 2001, >from 1:00 PM until
4:00 PM.

In addition to one-on-one help for new genealogists, the
workshop will offer:
Access to the Society's library
Access to the Society's maps
Information on using the Ellis Island Records web site
Translation services for European languages
How to find US records
Demonstration of the Family Tree Maker software
Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (hard copy)

Randy Thompson, an archivist >from the National Archives
and Records Administration, Laguna Niguel, will speak to
workshop attendees regarding records available at the Archives.

For more information or directions, please contact:
Dorothy Kohanski (949) 855-4692 or dkohanski@yahoo.com
Shmuel Fisher (714) 968-0395 or shmuel@deltanet.com

See our web site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsoc/

Submitted by:
Martha Eisenberg Lasser
Corresponding Secretary/Publicity
Lasser3@prodigy.net


October Meeting JGS Palm Springs #general

Glynne
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 2:00 P.m.
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Temple Isaiah, 332 West Alejo Road, Palm Springs,
multipurpose room on Lower level
(note change of meeting place)

Debbie Raff will report on the International Association of Jewish Genealogy
Conference in London, England this past summer. Also, Diane Weinman and
Esther Mann will discuss how one organizes research into a notebook format.

Please E-mail to Glynne@aol.com for directions and more information.

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CALIFORNIA-FREE GENEALOGY WORKSHOP #general

STEPHEN E LASSER <lasser3@...>
 

Attention: Southern Californians

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Orange County invites
members and the public to a FREE genealogy workshop
to be held at the Art Gallery, Club House One, Leisure
World, Laguna Woods, California. The workshop will be
held on Sunday, November 11, 2001, >from 1:00 PM until
4:00 PM.

In addition to one-on-one help for new genealogists, the
workshop will offer:
Access to the Society's library
Access to the Society's maps
Information on using the Ellis Island Records web site
Translation services for European languages
How to find US records
Demonstration of the Family Tree Maker software
Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (hard copy)

Randy Thompson, an archivist >from the National Archives
and Records Administration, Laguna Niguel, will speak to
workshop attendees regarding records available at the Archives.

For more information or directions, please contact:
Dorothy Kohanski (949) 855-4692 or dkohanski@yahoo.com
Shmuel Fisher (714) 968-0395 or shmuel@deltanet.com

See our web site at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsoc/

Submitted by:
Martha Eisenberg Lasser
Corresponding Secretary/Publicity
Lasser3@prodigy.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen October Meeting JGS Palm Springs #general

Glynne
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 2:00 P.m.
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Temple Isaiah, 332 West Alejo Road, Palm Springs,
multipurpose room on Lower level
(note change of meeting place)

Debbie Raff will report on the International Association of Jewish Genealogy
Conference in London, England this past summer. Also, Diane Weinman and
Esther Mann will discuss how one organizes research into a notebook format.

Please E-mail to Glynne@aol.com for directions and more information.

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs


Re: KASZAB from Barolt - Baraolt in Transylvania #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Baro't is Baraolt now, and located in Covasna (Kova'szna) County.

You can get information either through thr Magyar Orsza'gos Levelta'r
(Archives), Budapest, or through the LDS Family History Centers.

Attila Rona


Re: h-sig digest: October 13, 2001-Marmaros County Translations #hungary

NYMONEY1@...
 

Read your request for assistance in the translation for Marmaros County=20
towns. Would be pleased to assist in translation as my mother and aunt now=20
in their 90's and born at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be=20
able to assist with first hand knowledge as well as language skills. Please=
=20
contact me directly for assistance. Olga Berd=E9 212-260-9655 days or=20
NYMONEY1@ AOL.COM=20
or fax to 212-260-9697


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: KASZAB from Barolt - Baraolt in Transylvania #hungary

AttilaRona@...
 

Baro't is Baraolt now, and located in Covasna (Kova'szna) County.

You can get information either through thr Magyar Orsza'gos Levelta'r
(Archives), Budapest, or through the LDS Family History Centers.

Attila Rona


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: October 13, 2001-Marmaros County Translations #hungary

NYMONEY1@...
 

Read your request for assistance in the translation for Marmaros County=20
towns. Would be pleased to assist in translation as my mother and aunt now=20
in their 90's and born at the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be=20
able to assist with first hand knowledge as well as language skills. Please=
=20
contact me directly for assistance. Olga Berd=E9 212-260-9655 days or=20
NYMONEY1@ AOL.COM=20
or fax to 212-260-9697