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Wrong birthdate #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Another lesson in the occasional unreliability of official documents.

I recently attended a memorial service for someone who died recently
here in Israel and the tombstone had a Jewish date which was off by
several months. (There was no Gregorian date on the stone.) When
this was pointed out to the family, they said that they gave the death
certificate to the man who did the stone and he took the date >from
there. (The death certificate is a document issued by the Interior
Ministry and includes birth and death dates according to both the
Jewish and the Gregorian calendars, but they are often off by a day as
they cannot be bothered to take into account the "after sunset"
phenomenon, unless specifically asked. But that is not the problem
in this instance.)

Upon further inquiry, it seems that when the deceased made aliyah
from England thirty-odd years ago, the local bureaucrat misread the 7
(July) for 4 (April) and therefore got the birth date wrong in both
calendars. The family doesn't want to change either the stone or the
government records, figuring that if it never bothered him all these
years, why should it bother them now.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wrong birthdate #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Another lesson in the occasional unreliability of official documents.

I recently attended a memorial service for someone who died recently
here in Israel and the tombstone had a Jewish date which was off by
several months. (There was no Gregorian date on the stone.) When
this was pointed out to the family, they said that they gave the death
certificate to the man who did the stone and he took the date >from
there. (The death certificate is a document issued by the Interior
Ministry and includes birth and death dates according to both the
Jewish and the Gregorian calendars, but they are often off by a day as
they cannot be bothered to take into account the "after sunset"
phenomenon, unless specifically asked. But that is not the problem
in this instance.)

Upon further inquiry, it seems that when the deceased made aliyah
from England thirty-odd years ago, the local bureaucrat misread the 7
(July) for 4 (April) and therefore got the birth date wrong in both
calendars. The family doesn't want to change either the stone or the
government records, figuring that if it never bothered him all these
years, why should it bother them now.

Israel Pickholtz


Re: How I Accessed the Hamburg Emigration Data Base #general

N. Ring-Kendrick <adamsny@...>
 

From: Carole Glick Feinberg <feincgs@cs.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:21:45 -0500

After posting a message to JewishGen regarding the Hamburg emigration
data base, I was unable to access the URL that worked just a day
earlier.
http://www.hamburg.de/fhh/behoerden/staatsarchiv/link_to_your_roots/english/index.htm

didn't work any longer for me.

After tinkering around for a while, I worked around the problem by
bringing up the home page, clicking on Spanish version. Try this:
I didn't need the Spanish version. Here is the web address for the English version:
http://www.hamburg.de/fhh/english/index.htm

For those of you looking for the site in French, the url is:
http://www.hamburg.de/fhh/francais/index.htm

Good luck in your search efforts.
Nancy Ring-Kendrick
Port Orange, FL
--


SALAVACCHICK (spelling??) from Kovno & the BRISK Rebbe #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

This is for a friend of mine whose great grandfather was Chaim Yitzkok
SALAVACCHICK born Kovno approx 1840-1845 who was born at the time of Joseph
of Kovno who married Relke Volozhin bas Chaim and who was connected to
Rabbonim back to the year 950.

Does anyone know anything about this family?

A little more information:- One of the sons of Chaim Yitkok SALAVACCHICK
was Moishe of Kovno & Vilna 1870-1956.

My friend believes that Joseph Dov SALAVACCHICK who died in 1892 was the
father of the BRISK Rebee. Is there anyone out there who knows anything
regarding this?

You can write direct to my friend if you wish (or to me).
--snip--

Many thanks.

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester, UK

Still researching:
KAMENSHCHIK >from Yanova and Zeimiai, Lithuania; ESTRY >from Poland
(somewhere); FRIEDMAN >from ?? LEVY >from Sompolno and Krosniewice, Poland >
London > NYC; DIAMOND >from Kovno Gubernia > Manchester; SHLUZITEL or
SHLESINGER or SHELENGER >from Vabalninkas: BERLINSKI >from Charlottenburg in
Berlin > England Still researching:

MODERATOR NOTE: Third party e-mail address has been removed to comply with
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How I Accessed the Hamburg Emigration Data Base #general

N. Ring-Kendrick <adamsny@...>
 

From: Carole Glick Feinberg <feincgs@cs.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:21:45 -0500

After posting a message to JewishGen regarding the Hamburg emigration
data base, I was unable to access the URL that worked just a day
earlier.
http://www.hamburg.de/fhh/behoerden/staatsarchiv/link_to_your_roots/english/index.htm

didn't work any longer for me.

After tinkering around for a while, I worked around the problem by
bringing up the home page, clicking on Spanish version. Try this:
I didn't need the Spanish version. Here is the web address for the English version:
http://www.hamburg.de/fhh/english/index.htm

For those of you looking for the site in French, the url is:
http://www.hamburg.de/fhh/francais/index.htm

Good luck in your search efforts.
Nancy Ring-Kendrick
Port Orange, FL
--


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SALAVACCHICK (spelling??) from Kovno & the BRISK Rebbe #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

This is for a friend of mine whose great grandfather was Chaim Yitzkok
SALAVACCHICK born Kovno approx 1840-1845 who was born at the time of Joseph
of Kovno who married Relke Volozhin bas Chaim and who was connected to
Rabbonim back to the year 950.

Does anyone know anything about this family?

A little more information:- One of the sons of Chaim Yitkok SALAVACCHICK
was Moishe of Kovno & Vilna 1870-1956.

My friend believes that Joseph Dov SALAVACCHICK who died in 1892 was the
father of the BRISK Rebee. Is there anyone out there who knows anything
regarding this?

You can write direct to my friend if you wish (or to me).
--snip--

Many thanks.

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester, UK

Still researching:
KAMENSHCHIK >from Yanova and Zeimiai, Lithuania; ESTRY >from Poland
(somewhere); FRIEDMAN >from ?? LEVY >from Sompolno and Krosniewice, Poland >
London > NYC; DIAMOND >from Kovno Gubernia > Manchester; SHLUZITEL or
SHLESINGER or SHELENGER >from Vabalninkas: BERLINSKI >from Charlottenburg in
Berlin > England Still researching:

MODERATOR NOTE: Third party e-mail address has been removed to comply with
JewishGen privacy policy. Please reply to Rica Goldberg.


Finding female ancestor's names and information on 19th century settlement in Eretz Israel #general

Risa Tzohar <rtzohar@...>
 

My maternal grandparents were >from the shtetl of Greiding in Podolya. They
were both >from the same shtetl although came to New York at different times
and were introduced and married (2nd marriage for my grandfather). My
grandmother's grandmother and several aunts and uncles also emigrated to New
York. (Her grandfather came too, but on the ship one of his sons shaved his
beard and the other one did so soon after arrival. He told the
grandmother - "I'm not staying in this treife medina" and was soon on his
way back to Greiding. My grandmother's parents stayed in Greiding along
with several other sisters and brothers. Her father died in the 30's and
her mother and many others were murdered in the forest by the Nazis.

One of the aunts told my mother this story. She remembered going to say
good-bye to her grandparents who were leaving for Eretz Israel. They were
old and would live out their years in the Holy Land and be buried there.
She went on to say that they were in touch with the grandfather and at one
point he wrote that his wife died and living alone was very difficult so he
asked his children's forgiveness but he was remarrying.

The aunt who told this story died in 1959 at the age of about 94.

When my mother retired she took a genealogy course and we both began to
think of looking for the grandfather and grandmother. Our problem was that
we did not know if the grandparents were >from her mother's side or her
father's side. My mother was able to locate the death certificate of her
great-grandmother and so we had the two possible family names for them. I
heard >from a friend that she had found her grandfather's grave on Har
Hazeitim and she gave the phone number of the Chevra Kadisha. It turned out
that they had neither of the names I was looking for but after asking where
my ancestor was >from suggested a different Chevra Kadisha. To my amazement
the second one actually had my mother's grandmother's grandfather's name!
In 1999 my mother and I took a pelephone and map and actually found the
grave. Now we have the names of the men in that line.

My quest: The women don't have family names on the graves or in the Chevra
Kadisha records and I would really like to know
the given name of the grandmother. I would also be interested in finding
out when they came to Jerusalem, and in what kind of community they lived.

Where and for what kind of records would I look to find more about them? My
mother's great Aunt was born around 1865 so I would guess that if she
remembers this story it would have been somewhere after 1870. The
grandfather died in 1895 so that leaves quite a span. I know that there
were Hassidim who came in those years and this is likely since their area
had lots of Hassidim. Were there immigration records? Perhaps there are
some community records besides the burial records? Can you suggest where to
look? What books can I read about that period?

Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Thank you so much,
Risa Tzohar,
rtzohar@hotmail.com
Rehovot, Israel

Looking for: DINCIN, Greiding, Ukraine; SCHWARTZ Greiding, Ukraine;
WITTELS (VITTLES) Greiding, Ukraine; REICH, Suwalki


Aliens held for special inquiry #general

Errol Schneegurt
 

I have 2 instances in which the families I am researching were held on Ellis
Island for Special Inquiry.
The code LPC. MED was on one of them
and on the other had LPC. 3.10

What did the codes mean?
If they were held for Special Inquiry would there be a separate record
related to their detention? If so are they held at the INS?
Thanks
Errol Schneegurt LI NY eslviv@aol.com


FORESTEN / THORESTON #general

caroz@...
 

Hi genners,
Is Foresten or Thoreston a Jewish name? If so any links to this family will
be appreciated. William George Hoek >from the Netherlands was married to a
Foresten / Thoreston - South Africa.

Anna Barker


Re: Side curls #general

Carleolady@...
 

Regarding my possibly Lubavitcher possibly rabbi ggf, Ansel Asher SHANIN:

In a message dated 12/22/01 10:06:23 PM, jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< One difference is the way the capote is done up. For Chassidim it is
buttoned right over left - like a woman's coat (there is a kabbalistic
reason for this)

Murray Freedman >>

Aha. The plot thickens. His coat (capote?) is buttoned right over left.
And another list member wrote to say that there was a CHANIN lubavitcher
family in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Perhaps related to my SHANIN in some
way.
I will post this photograph on Viewmate as soon as I get a digital camera
or scanner. It is an interesting photo. My gggf has his arm resting on
what (to me) looks much like a tall African drum -- woven material with a
lid. Must be a basket of some sort.

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding female ancestor's names and information on 19th century settlement in Eretz Israel #general

Risa Tzohar <rtzohar@...>
 

My maternal grandparents were >from the shtetl of Greiding in Podolya. They
were both >from the same shtetl although came to New York at different times
and were introduced and married (2nd marriage for my grandfather). My
grandmother's grandmother and several aunts and uncles also emigrated to New
York. (Her grandfather came too, but on the ship one of his sons shaved his
beard and the other one did so soon after arrival. He told the
grandmother - "I'm not staying in this treife medina" and was soon on his
way back to Greiding. My grandmother's parents stayed in Greiding along
with several other sisters and brothers. Her father died in the 30's and
her mother and many others were murdered in the forest by the Nazis.

One of the aunts told my mother this story. She remembered going to say
good-bye to her grandparents who were leaving for Eretz Israel. They were
old and would live out their years in the Holy Land and be buried there.
She went on to say that they were in touch with the grandfather and at one
point he wrote that his wife died and living alone was very difficult so he
asked his children's forgiveness but he was remarrying.

The aunt who told this story died in 1959 at the age of about 94.

When my mother retired she took a genealogy course and we both began to
think of looking for the grandfather and grandmother. Our problem was that
we did not know if the grandparents were >from her mother's side or her
father's side. My mother was able to locate the death certificate of her
great-grandmother and so we had the two possible family names for them. I
heard >from a friend that she had found her grandfather's grave on Har
Hazeitim and she gave the phone number of the Chevra Kadisha. It turned out
that they had neither of the names I was looking for but after asking where
my ancestor was >from suggested a different Chevra Kadisha. To my amazement
the second one actually had my mother's grandmother's grandfather's name!
In 1999 my mother and I took a pelephone and map and actually found the
grave. Now we have the names of the men in that line.

My quest: The women don't have family names on the graves or in the Chevra
Kadisha records and I would really like to know
the given name of the grandmother. I would also be interested in finding
out when they came to Jerusalem, and in what kind of community they lived.

Where and for what kind of records would I look to find more about them? My
mother's great Aunt was born around 1865 so I would guess that if she
remembers this story it would have been somewhere after 1870. The
grandfather died in 1895 so that leaves quite a span. I know that there
were Hassidim who came in those years and this is likely since their area
had lots of Hassidim. Were there immigration records? Perhaps there are
some community records besides the burial records? Can you suggest where to
look? What books can I read about that period?

Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Thank you so much,
Risa Tzohar,
rtzohar@hotmail.com
Rehovot, Israel

Looking for: DINCIN, Greiding, Ukraine; SCHWARTZ Greiding, Ukraine;
WITTELS (VITTLES) Greiding, Ukraine; REICH, Suwalki


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Aliens held for special inquiry #general

Errol Schneegurt
 

I have 2 instances in which the families I am researching were held on Ellis
Island for Special Inquiry.
The code LPC. MED was on one of them
and on the other had LPC. 3.10

What did the codes mean?
If they were held for Special Inquiry would there be a separate record
related to their detention? If so are they held at the INS?
Thanks
Errol Schneegurt LI NY eslviv@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FORESTEN / THORESTON #general

caroz@...
 

Hi genners,
Is Foresten or Thoreston a Jewish name? If so any links to this family will
be appreciated. William George Hoek >from the Netherlands was married to a
Foresten / Thoreston - South Africa.

Anna Barker


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Side curls #general

Carleolady@...
 

Regarding my possibly Lubavitcher possibly rabbi ggf, Ansel Asher SHANIN:

In a message dated 12/22/01 10:06:23 PM, jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< One difference is the way the capote is done up. For Chassidim it is
buttoned right over left - like a woman's coat (there is a kabbalistic
reason for this)

Murray Freedman >>

Aha. The plot thickens. His coat (capote?) is buttoned right over left.
And another list member wrote to say that there was a CHANIN lubavitcher
family in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Perhaps related to my SHANIN in some
way.
I will post this photograph on Viewmate as soon as I get a digital camera
or scanner. It is an interesting photo. My gggf has his arm resting on
what (to me) looks much like a tall African drum -- woven material with a
lid. Must be a basket of some sort.

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA


Search records in the Pinczow archive #poland

Shlomo Wygodny <wygodny@...>
 

Shalom,
I am looking for someone who will search for WYGODNY/WYGODNA vital
records >from the town Chmielnik, whose archive is located in Pinczow.
I'm interested in the years 1879 and 1885-1901, especially death records
from 1885-1898.
Can someone recommend a person in Poland who can do that for a
reasonable fee? It is a very definitive and narrow task.
(I would not like to wait for the corresponding PSA project which is in
very early stages)

Or - does anyone have experience about submitting such query directly to
the Pinczow archives?

Thanks,
- Shlomo Wygodny, Ramat Hasharon, Israel
Researching:
WYGODNY Everywhere
HENDEL Lipno Poland
OBERLANDER and SCHREIER Drogobych Ukraine
PINCZEWSKI Lodz Poland


Name Changing #poland

Efi Paz <efipaz@...>
 

I have a definite proof that the adoption of a different surname was
habitual in Poland last centurt.

I have a book written be my great-grandfather, Yosef Tzvi Halevi Rozani, the
Admo"r of Grocow, south of Warsaw. It was published in 1895 in Warsaw, It
carries a "Haskama" (an endoresment) in it, dated 1889, written by his own
father, Rabbi Eliyahoo Halevi Landa of Turbin. The title of the Haskama is
"The endoresement of my master and father(AA, meaning Adoni Avi), the ...
(many praises...) Rabbi Eliyahoo Halevi Shlit"a ABDK (High Judge of the
court of) Tourbin, Nin Vaneched (descendent) of Hanoda BeYehuda Rabbi
Yehezkel Sega"l Landa. In the Haskama the father explicitly states that
"Today there have arrived into my hands the precoius essays of my son..."
and at the end he claims "the words ("Divrei") of the father of the author,
Hakatan Eliyahoo Halevi Landa".

So we see that the son of Landa was names Rozani.

The family tradition has it that it happened to avoid drafting to the
Russian army, but as I understand there is a big raw about it, so I do not
insist, if anybody can give a reasonable explanation - one should understand
that being a Landa was something to be proud about, people would not give up
a name like this for light reasons. I know that in at least one case in the
family, a man adopted the name Landa >from his wife, so valuable it was
considered.

EFI PAZ

F. E. TECHNOLOGIES
High Tech Consulting

8 HALPERIN STREET
Tel Aviv, 63404
Israel

Tel: +972-3-5279627
Mobile: + 972-54-514502

E-MAIL: EFIPAZ@NETVISION.NET.IL


JRI Poland #Poland Search records in the Pinczow archive #poland

Shlomo Wygodny <wygodny@...>
 

Shalom,
I am looking for someone who will search for WYGODNY/WYGODNA vital
records >from the town Chmielnik, whose archive is located in Pinczow.
I'm interested in the years 1879 and 1885-1901, especially death records
from 1885-1898.
Can someone recommend a person in Poland who can do that for a
reasonable fee? It is a very definitive and narrow task.
(I would not like to wait for the corresponding PSA project which is in
very early stages)

Or - does anyone have experience about submitting such query directly to
the Pinczow archives?

Thanks,
- Shlomo Wygodny, Ramat Hasharon, Israel
Researching:
WYGODNY Everywhere
HENDEL Lipno Poland
OBERLANDER and SCHREIER Drogobych Ukraine
PINCZEWSKI Lodz Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Name Changing #poland

Efi Paz <efipaz@...>
 

I have a definite proof that the adoption of a different surname was
habitual in Poland last centurt.

I have a book written be my great-grandfather, Yosef Tzvi Halevi Rozani, the
Admo"r of Grocow, south of Warsaw. It was published in 1895 in Warsaw, It
carries a "Haskama" (an endoresment) in it, dated 1889, written by his own
father, Rabbi Eliyahoo Halevi Landa of Turbin. The title of the Haskama is
"The endoresement of my master and father(AA, meaning Adoni Avi), the ...
(many praises...) Rabbi Eliyahoo Halevi Shlit"a ABDK (High Judge of the
court of) Tourbin, Nin Vaneched (descendent) of Hanoda BeYehuda Rabbi
Yehezkel Sega"l Landa. In the Haskama the father explicitly states that
"Today there have arrived into my hands the precoius essays of my son..."
and at the end he claims "the words ("Divrei") of the father of the author,
Hakatan Eliyahoo Halevi Landa".

So we see that the son of Landa was names Rozani.

The family tradition has it that it happened to avoid drafting to the
Russian army, but as I understand there is a big raw about it, so I do not
insist, if anybody can give a reasonable explanation - one should understand
that being a Landa was something to be proud about, people would not give up
a name like this for light reasons. I know that in at least one case in the
family, a man adopted the name Landa >from his wife, so valuable it was
considered.

EFI PAZ

F. E. TECHNOLOGIES
High Tech Consulting

8 HALPERIN STREET
Tel Aviv, 63404
Israel

Tel: +972-3-5279627
Mobile: + 972-54-514502

E-MAIL: EFIPAZ@NETVISION.NET.IL


Sheleshe in Poland and Russian army records #general

Leah Aharoni
 

I am wondering if anyone can help me to ID the shtetl whose name is
pronounced as "Sheleshe". Presumably it's located near Chelm, Lublin in
Polan.

Likewise, has anyone come across record on Russian army soldiers (from
Poland) in WWI and WWII.

My greatgrandfather served in Russian army during WWI and then settled in
Russia. My greatfather served in the Red Army in WWII.

Thanks a lot for your help,

Leah Aharoni
Israel


Researcher25119:Levine, Hein, Chernikoff #general

WAlmeleh@...
 

Will Research 25119, who submitted the family tree for the Levine, Hein, and
Chernikoff families, please e-mail me. Messages to you are not getting
through. I am the great-niece of Jacob Levine and would like to share
information with you.

Wendy Levin Almeleh
Great Neck, NY
(Walmeleh@aol.com)