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jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

"about 87 films, published in 2004*. These are the original birth/marriage/
death registers >from the IKG"

will someone please explain what the "IKG" is?

thank you

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks, ca


Austrian citizenship law #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

In Austria there used to be, and I think there still is, the so-
called Heimatsgesetz, where every citizen has a hometown to which he
belongs, so to speak. I also think it was difficult to change the
hometown and it seems that Viennes Jews, originating in the provinces
or Hungary, had difficulty getting a Vienna "home registration".
According to "Dr. Bloch's Oesterreichisches Wochenblatt", a Viennese
Jewish weekly dated Jan. 1, 1901 this law changed on this day.
from then on an Austrian citizen who was living voluntarily and
continuosly in a certain locality could apply for acceptance into the
local "Home Community" (Heimatsverband) and the application could not
be refused by this community.
If there was an unfavourable or no decision within 6 months, the case
would be forwarded to the higher political authority, which would then
make the decision.
In several follow up articles the paper advises its readers to bring
their citizenship affairs in order and make the necessary
applications, especially Hungarian citizens, who may loose their
citizenship if they are residing more than 10 years outside Hungary.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IKG? #austria-czech

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

"about 87 films, published in 2004*. These are the original birth/marriage/
death registers >from the IKG"

will someone please explain what the "IKG" is?

thank you

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks, ca


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Austrian citizenship law #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

In Austria there used to be, and I think there still is, the so-
called Heimatsgesetz, where every citizen has a hometown to which he
belongs, so to speak. I also think it was difficult to change the
hometown and it seems that Viennes Jews, originating in the provinces
or Hungary, had difficulty getting a Vienna "home registration".
According to "Dr. Bloch's Oesterreichisches Wochenblatt", a Viennese
Jewish weekly dated Jan. 1, 1901 this law changed on this day.
from then on an Austrian citizen who was living voluntarily and
continuosly in a certain locality could apply for acceptance into the
local "Home Community" (Heimatsverband) and the application could not
be refused by this community.
If there was an unfavourable or no decision within 6 months, the case
would be forwarded to the higher political authority, which would then
make the decision.
In several follow up articles the paper advises its readers to bring
their citizenship affairs in order and make the necessary
applications, especially Hungarian citizens, who may loose their
citizenship if they are residing more than 10 years outside Hungary.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: LDS films of Jewish records #austria-czech

Bob Lenk
 

When you go past the first 111 entries, there is a comment (between two
entries in the table, "Andere Verfilmung, 2004". Following these are
the films of the original IKG registers - beginning with film number
2203448, and ending with number 1575352 (these are catalogued not in
numerical order).

Bob Lenk
Greeley, Colorado, US


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: LDS films of Jewish records #austria-czech

Bob Lenk
 

When you go past the first 111 entries, there is a comment (between two
entries in the table, "Andere Verfilmung, 2004". Following these are
the films of the original IKG registers - beginning with film number
2203448, and ending with number 1575352 (these are catalogued not in
numerical order).

Bob Lenk
Greeley, Colorado, US


Koposi and Keked #general

mimi simon
 

Hello Genners,
A very kind Genner found my paternal grandfather's
Ellis Island manifest for me. The first name was
different but we determined that it is my grandfather
because of his age, the date of arrival, and the ship
on which he arrived. However, a new question arose,
namely the name of the town he listed as where he came
from. I have been unable to find the town of Koposi
either in Hungary or in Ukraine, which is where his
birthplace, Ordarma, is now located (Storozhnitsa,
Ukr.). Has anyone heard of this town?
My other question concerns a possible visit to my
maternal grandmother's birthplace. We may be in
Budapest in early May and were contemplating hiring a
driver to take us to Keked, Hungary, 125 miles
northeast of Budapest, at the Slovakia border. Does
anyone know whether this is something that could be
done round-trip in one day? In other words, are the
roads good enough that the drive could be accomplished
in a reasonable amount of time?
If this is feasible, I would like to obtain some
information on the location (if it still exists) of my
great grandfather's inn and farm. Where should I
write to obtain information?
I hope this e-mail is posted because I have had some
rejected for appearing in something other than plain
text. I have followed the directions sent to me by
the list manager but they are not appropriate for my
system, apparently, because I have not been able to
correct the problem. Any suggestions?
Please contact me privately unless the moderator
deems otherwise.
Thank you all.
Regards,
Mimi (Weiss) Simon
Teaneck, NJ

MODERATOR NOTE: Instructions for writing in "plain text" are
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Koposi and Keked #general

mimi simon
 

Hello Genners,
A very kind Genner found my paternal grandfather's
Ellis Island manifest for me. The first name was
different but we determined that it is my grandfather
because of his age, the date of arrival, and the ship
on which he arrived. However, a new question arose,
namely the name of the town he listed as where he came
from. I have been unable to find the town of Koposi
either in Hungary or in Ukraine, which is where his
birthplace, Ordarma, is now located (Storozhnitsa,
Ukr.). Has anyone heard of this town?
My other question concerns a possible visit to my
maternal grandmother's birthplace. We may be in
Budapest in early May and were contemplating hiring a
driver to take us to Keked, Hungary, 125 miles
northeast of Budapest, at the Slovakia border. Does
anyone know whether this is something that could be
done round-trip in one day? In other words, are the
roads good enough that the drive could be accomplished
in a reasonable amount of time?
If this is feasible, I would like to obtain some
information on the location (if it still exists) of my
great grandfather's inn and farm. Where should I
write to obtain information?
I hope this e-mail is posted because I have had some
rejected for appearing in something other than plain
text. I have followed the directions sent to me by
the list manager but they are not appropriate for my
system, apparently, because I have not been able to
correct the problem. Any suggestions?
Please contact me privately unless the moderator
deems otherwise.
Thank you all.
Regards,
Mimi (Weiss) Simon
Teaneck, NJ

MODERATOR NOTE: Instructions for writing in "plain text" are
posted here: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/PlainText.html .
If you wish to help Mimi with her particular system, please
contact her privately for the details.


Mount Sharon cemetery near Philadelphia #general

Jeff Blustein
 

Dear Genners,

Is there a kind soul among the genners who will be going to the Mount Sharon
cemetery in Springfield, Pa that could summarize what's written on a
particular tombstone in its United Tarascha Rekitner Beneficial Assoc
section?

Please contact me privately off list.

Thanks,

Jeffrey Blustein
Livingston, NJ
jblu14@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mount Sharon cemetery near Philadelphia #general

Jeff Blustein
 

Dear Genners,

Is there a kind soul among the genners who will be going to the Mount Sharon
cemetery in Springfield, Pa that could summarize what's written on a
particular tombstone in its United Tarascha Rekitner Beneficial Assoc
section?

Please contact me privately off list.

Thanks,

Jeffrey Blustein
Livingston, NJ
jblu14@...


map of Austro-Hungarian Empire #general

Julia Koszewska <julia_koszewska@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am sending you the link to the "3rd Military Mapping Survey of
Austria-Hungary: Index sheet of the general map of Central Europe (1:200 000)"
link: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm
I think it might be very helpful for those of you that make a research in
the area of former Austro-Hungarian Empire (today: Austria, Hungary,
Romania, Poland, Ukraine etc..).

Best regards - Julia Koszewska, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen map of Austro-Hungarian Empire #general

Julia Koszewska <julia_koszewska@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am sending you the link to the "3rd Military Mapping Survey of
Austria-Hungary: Index sheet of the general map of Central Europe (1:200 000)"
link: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm
I think it might be very helpful for those of you that make a research in
the area of former Austro-Hungarian Empire (today: Austria, Hungary,
Romania, Poland, Ukraine etc..).

Best regards - Julia Koszewska, Poland


Rhode Island Immigration Records #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

The Rhode Island immigration records are available at a popular website,
listed as Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959. I have
sent the pertinent record to Todd Lerner.
Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

Todd Lerner wrote:
Genners: My Uncle came to the US through the Port of Rhode Island via the
Fabre Line.
Does anyone know how to obtain the Passenger lists for this port?
Todd Lerner (tlernerdds@...)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rhode Island Immigration Records #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

The Rhode Island immigration records are available at a popular website,
listed as Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959. I have
sent the pertinent record to Todd Lerner.
Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

Todd Lerner wrote:
Genners: My Uncle came to the US through the Port of Rhode Island via the
Fabre Line.
Does anyone know how to obtain the Passenger lists for this port?
Todd Lerner (tlernerdds@...)


Re: EIDB: Immigrants from a given town #general

joyweave
 

I can't speak for what Howard Relles is doing, but I've been doing a similar
project for Vysokoye (Wisoke-Litovsk), Belarus (then Russia). I've searched,
by town, every spelling I can find in EIDB.

This yields, as you suggest, only those who lived there just before immigration.
But... at the far end of manifests after 1906, there is a listing of where the
person was born. I don't think that column is searchable, but if you have the
name in the manifest, you may be able to see the birthplace. And sometimes the
listing of nearest relative left behind yields another town that could be a clue.

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY

Dear Genners,

I have been following the thread about compiling a database of people who
came >from a particular town. I find it to be a noble endeavor. However, after
reading Howard Relles' most recent message about going through the alphabet to
"zero" in on a specific town the immigrant might have come >from I have a
question or two.

When Howard Relles posted a message indicating that he was looking for
people who came >from Czortkow, it caught my eye because a paternal Aunt was
born there. She was the youngest of 4 children. Two (2) were born in Tarnopol.
One ( 1) was born in Kopyczynce, and the youngest in 1911 in Czortkow.
However, on the passenger manifest it states that the family came from
Tarnopol. This was in 1921. One can only assume that the family moved back
to Tarnopol sometime after the virth of this child. So, my question is ....

How reliable is this tedious search that Howard is doing in order to compile
a list of people >from a particular town? Is he only looking for those that
came directly >from that town even if not born there; or is he interested in
those who were born there, but did not come directly >from that town before
coming to the USA? What about those who arrived at a port other than NYC?

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: EIDB: Immigrants from a given town #general

joyweave
 

I can't speak for what Howard Relles is doing, but I've been doing a similar
project for Vysokoye (Wisoke-Litovsk), Belarus (then Russia). I've searched,
by town, every spelling I can find in EIDB.

This yields, as you suggest, only those who lived there just before immigration.
But... at the far end of manifests after 1906, there is a listing of where the
person was born. I don't think that column is searchable, but if you have the
name in the manifest, you may be able to see the birthplace. And sometimes the
listing of nearest relative left behind yields another town that could be a clue.

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY

Dear Genners,

I have been following the thread about compiling a database of people who
came >from a particular town. I find it to be a noble endeavor. However, after
reading Howard Relles' most recent message about going through the alphabet to
"zero" in on a specific town the immigrant might have come >from I have a
question or two.

When Howard Relles posted a message indicating that he was looking for
people who came >from Czortkow, it caught my eye because a paternal Aunt was
born there. She was the youngest of 4 children. Two (2) were born in Tarnopol.
One ( 1) was born in Kopyczynce, and the youngest in 1911 in Czortkow.
However, on the passenger manifest it states that the family came from
Tarnopol. This was in 1921. One can only assume that the family moved back
to Tarnopol sometime after the virth of this child. So, my question is ....

How reliable is this tedious search that Howard is doing in order to compile
a list of people >from a particular town? Is he only looking for those that
came directly >from that town even if not born there; or is he interested in
those who were born there, but did not come directly >from that town before
coming to the USA? What about those who arrived at a port other than NYC?

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@...


Re: Canadian Ships #general

Hilary <hilarynospam@...>
 

After completely missing the significance of this website at first
review, I read replies by other researchers, and went back. Indeed,
the manifests are there for the viewing - no need to order microfilms
from the FHC or the Canada National Archives! I prefer this URL,
which goes directly to the search page
<http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php>

As much as I can tell, the online manifests are complete for each
ship. Remember, Canada (in fact, no place) was not as popular as New
York City for immigration. That these ships have 200-300 passengers
per trip (instead of 700-800) is no surprise to me. Each set online
has both a beginning page with ship information and a final Summary
page. In the few manifests I reviewed, the number of passengers on
the summary does correspond to to the number of passengers listed in
the images.

Just to confirm, I once was trying to find the arrival information
for my grandfather, and had ordered microfilms via interlibrary
loan. When I failed to find him on the appropriate ship and date at
first review, I printed all the pages of that ship-and-date, to
review later. The website ship list matched my copies exactly, even
to a page that had been photographed twice. (No, I never did find
him there . . . .)

So we have no index of these lists to make our lives easier - just
like the "old days" of genealogy <g>.. At least now we can pore
bleary-eyed over the pages in the comfort of our own homes . . . .

Hilary Henkin
Remove no spam >from my email address to reply

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENOKOV; POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN -
AVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER; RINCOVER - HARINCOVER; WISENTHAL
Harbin, China: FELDMAN; PENZNER; SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Canadian Ships #general

Hilary <hilarynospam@...>
 

After completely missing the significance of this website at first
review, I read replies by other researchers, and went back. Indeed,
the manifests are there for the viewing - no need to order microfilms
from the FHC or the Canada National Archives! I prefer this URL,
which goes directly to the search page
<http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php>

As much as I can tell, the online manifests are complete for each
ship. Remember, Canada (in fact, no place) was not as popular as New
York City for immigration. That these ships have 200-300 passengers
per trip (instead of 700-800) is no surprise to me. Each set online
has both a beginning page with ship information and a final Summary
page. In the few manifests I reviewed, the number of passengers on
the summary does correspond to to the number of passengers listed in
the images.

Just to confirm, I once was trying to find the arrival information
for my grandfather, and had ordered microfilms via interlibrary
loan. When I failed to find him on the appropriate ship and date at
first review, I printed all the pages of that ship-and-date, to
review later. The website ship list matched my copies exactly, even
to a page that had been photographed twice. (No, I never did find
him there . . . .)

So we have no index of these lists to make our lives easier - just
like the "old days" of genealogy <g>.. At least now we can pore
bleary-eyed over the pages in the comfort of our own homes . . . .

Hilary Henkin
Remove no spam >from my email address to reply

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENOKOV; POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN -
AVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER; RINCOVER - HARINCOVER; WISENTHAL
Harbin, China: FELDMAN; PENZNER; SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ


Lictenau Graveyard look-up #germany

Colleen Lopez <kolzion@...>
 

Hope this gets through!
Looking for Graves for Jacob ROSENBLAT b. 1656
location unknown, children were baptized in Lictenau,
& Lowenbac, Hesse. It is said his family
(descendants) reformed to Christianity and hence their
name became ROSENBLATH. I have His descedants church
records >from the 1600's through Johannes ROESENBLATH
to Canada mid 1850's to abt 1900. On that point I just
want to say my grandmothers kept Shabbat(quietly).
This is what my Grandmother told me about her mother
and grandmother. But they attended church regularly.

Other names marrying into this line in Germany -
Lictenau and Lowenback in this line over the above
mention of time:

VOCKENROTH, GUNDELACH, OTZEL, SCHRODER, SCHAFER,
RUGEL, REINHARD, SEITZ, MAGDELENA

Toda! Colleen Lopez Savannah, Georgia


German SIG #Germany Lictenau Graveyard look-up #germany

Colleen Lopez <kolzion@...>
 

Hope this gets through!
Looking for Graves for Jacob ROSENBLAT b. 1656
location unknown, children were baptized in Lictenau,
& Lowenbac, Hesse. It is said his family
(descendants) reformed to Christianity and hence their
name became ROSENBLATH. I have His descedants church
records >from the 1600's through Johannes ROESENBLATH
to Canada mid 1850's to abt 1900. On that point I just
want to say my grandmothers kept Shabbat(quietly).
This is what my Grandmother told me about her mother
and grandmother. But they attended church regularly.

Other names marrying into this line in Germany -
Lictenau and Lowenback in this line over the above
mention of time:

VOCKENROTH, GUNDELACH, OTZEL, SCHRODER, SCHAFER,
RUGEL, REINHARD, SEITZ, MAGDELENA

Toda! Colleen Lopez Savannah, Georgia