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Re: Are Lachman Nachman Najman the same? #poland

Simon Richardson <simon@...>
 

Thanks to everyone for your very helpful replies. What I have found
fits well with family stories about the origin of our name
RICHARDSON. It looks like my great-great-grandfather Adolphus Noah
RICHARDSON was born Noah RAJCHERT.

The dates match perfectly, but also there is a story that Noah's
father, called "something like Newman REICHARDT", was a miller in
"Gollin, Posen" and died quite young of a heart attack after lifting
a heavy sack of flour. There was a flour mill in Golina and Nachman
RAICHERT died aged 48. Noah would have been 10 at the time.

Going even further back, the database shows Nachman's parents:
Hemkiet (Jochym?) and Hawe, born in the 1770s perhaps.

Eventually, when I'm sure of what I have I'll put it on the internet
in case it's useful. I have good documentation for most of the family
history, back to around 1700, but there some parts that are still too
hypothetical to be offered as any kind of truth.


-------------------------------------------------------------
Simon Richardson
London


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Are Lachman Nachman Najman the same? #poland

Simon Richardson <simon@...>
 

Thanks to everyone for your very helpful replies. What I have found
fits well with family stories about the origin of our name
RICHARDSON. It looks like my great-great-grandfather Adolphus Noah
RICHARDSON was born Noah RAJCHERT.

The dates match perfectly, but also there is a story that Noah's
father, called "something like Newman REICHARDT", was a miller in
"Gollin, Posen" and died quite young of a heart attack after lifting
a heavy sack of flour. There was a flour mill in Golina and Nachman
RAICHERT died aged 48. Noah would have been 10 at the time.

Going even further back, the database shows Nachman's parents:
Hemkiet (Jochym?) and Hawe, born in the 1770s perhaps.

Eventually, when I'm sure of what I have I'll put it on the internet
in case it's useful. I have good documentation for most of the family
history, back to around 1700, but there some parts that are still too
hypothetical to be offered as any kind of truth.


-------------------------------------------------------------
Simon Richardson
London


Re: Are Lachman Nachman Najman the same? #poland

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Simon Richardson posted as follows:

"I'm having a little difficulty in interpreting some given names. I
wonder if anyone with greater knowledge than I can help? These
married couples appear to be the same people:

Lachman RAYCHERT + Nache KROTOWSKA
Lachman RAYCHERT + Nuche
Nachman RAICHERT + Nache
Najman RAICHERT + Niche

Is Lachman = Nachman = Najman a likely variation?
Is Nache = Nuche = Niche likely?"

Yes and Yes.

The Hebrew name Nachman and the Yiddish name Lakhman were indeed found to
have been linked, and sometimes exchanged for one another.

And the Yiddish names Nakhe, Nikhe, and Nukhe were variants of Yiddish
kinuim for the Hebrew name Nechama. That is, if a woman had the Hebrew
name Nechama and also the Yiddish name Nekhe, then in Jewish legal
documents (e.g., a Get, divorce contract), her name must be
written: Nechama haMechune Nekhe. "haMechune" is a Hebrew legal term
meaning "alias". It is possible that the woman in question may also have
used the Hebrew name Nechama.

So, it would appear that all of the people listed were the same
persons. These and other linked names can be found by visiting the
JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

and using Global Text Search for the names "Nachman OR Nekhe" (without the
quotation marks.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Are Lachman Nachman Najman the same? #poland

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Simon Richardson posted as follows:

"I'm having a little difficulty in interpreting some given names. I
wonder if anyone with greater knowledge than I can help? These
married couples appear to be the same people:

Lachman RAYCHERT + Nache KROTOWSKA
Lachman RAYCHERT + Nuche
Nachman RAICHERT + Nache
Najman RAICHERT + Niche

Is Lachman = Nachman = Najman a likely variation?
Is Nache = Nuche = Niche likely?"

Yes and Yes.

The Hebrew name Nachman and the Yiddish name Lakhman were indeed found to
have been linked, and sometimes exchanged for one another.

And the Yiddish names Nakhe, Nikhe, and Nukhe were variants of Yiddish
kinuim for the Hebrew name Nechama. That is, if a woman had the Hebrew
name Nechama and also the Yiddish name Nekhe, then in Jewish legal
documents (e.g., a Get, divorce contract), her name must be
written: Nechama haMechune Nekhe. "haMechune" is a Hebrew legal term
meaning "alias". It is possible that the woman in question may also have
used the Hebrew name Nechama.

So, it would appear that all of the people listed were the same
persons. These and other linked names can be found by visiting the
JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

and using Global Text Search for the names "Nachman OR Nekhe" (without the
quotation marks.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Help finding 3 FREY sisters #general

natrab@...
 

In the 1940's there was a FREY family that lived in Brooklyn, NY.
There were 3 daughters:
Lottie married a Mr. Levy
Helen F. married a Mr. Cohen (in later life they moved to Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.
Blanche D. married Don Mironov (might have moved to OHIO)
In 1951 they had 2 Children: GERALD and KAREN

They had several Aunts & Uncles born in NOWY SACZ, Galicia who emigrated to the
USA.
Their Aunt Rose FREY Heller was MY GrandMother
(b. Feb. 20, 1868 d. March 15, 1914)

Another aunt was Lena FREY Letzter (m.#2) Stock
(b. 1865? d. June 26, 1949)

Two of the Uncles were Henry FREY (b. Feb. 1870 d. on Aug. 7th 1928)
and Victor FREY (b. May 1878/9 d.?)

Please reply privately to: natrab@...

Thanks for your help; Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
HELLERs - Krakow


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help finding 3 FREY sisters #general

natrab@...
 

In the 1940's there was a FREY family that lived in Brooklyn, NY.
There were 3 daughters:
Lottie married a Mr. Levy
Helen F. married a Mr. Cohen (in later life they moved to Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.
Blanche D. married Don Mironov (might have moved to OHIO)
In 1951 they had 2 Children: GERALD and KAREN

They had several Aunts & Uncles born in NOWY SACZ, Galicia who emigrated to the
USA.
Their Aunt Rose FREY Heller was MY GrandMother
(b. Feb. 20, 1868 d. March 15, 1914)

Another aunt was Lena FREY Letzter (m.#2) Stock
(b. 1865? d. June 26, 1949)

Two of the Uncles were Henry FREY (b. Feb. 1870 d. on Aug. 7th 1928)
and Victor FREY (b. May 1878/9 d.?)

Please reply privately to: natrab@...

Thanks for your help; Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
HELLERs - Krakow


Re: Discovery and Frustration via Google Book Search #general

Martin Fischer
 

I have also had a mostly positive experience with the Google book search
site at http://books.google.com/advanced_book_search

I had known for several years that the editor of the old New York Sun
newspaper in the late 19th Century had written and published humorous essays
concerning Col. Abe Slupsky, a rather eccentric Republican politician >from
St. Louis who was married to my paternal grandfather's sister. The Sun is
not yet available online through ProQuest or Ancestry.com, so I have only
been able to access a few of these commentaries that have been republished
in other newspapers.

A couple months ago, I went to the Google book site and discovered I was
able to read several pages mentioning Slupsky in a 2005 reprint of the 1905
book "Casual Essays of the Sun: Editorial Articles on Many Subjects Clothed
with the Philosophy of the Bright Side of Things." The online pages
contained most of two brief editorials referring to Abraham Slupsky. Since
Slupsky's name was not mentioned or, perhaps, not picked up in the scanning
process of the final page(s) of the second essay, I could not read the
concluding portion of that one online.

However, by using the interlibrary loan service of my local public library,
I was able to borrow a copy of the original 1905 book that contained the
entire essay that had not been completely available on google.

Just before writing this e-mail, I repeated the search for Abe Slupsky on
the google book site and found two more references to him that had not yet
been available online when I initially discovered the book of Sun essays.
One of the newly posted items was a page of a review of the Sun book that
was published in a 1912 compiliation of book reviews. The other was a poem
that mentioned Slupsky's reputed efforts at "school reform" in an anonymous
1896 volume called "The Fat Knight: His Complete Career with Conquests and
Collapse and Final, Marvelous Triumph," which was a satire on Grover
Cleveland.

So, it seems the google book site has been adding more volumes. If you have
an ancestor who gained some degree of notoriety or fame, even if you don't
find his or her name on the site now, wait a few months and try again.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA

The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Discovery and Frustration via Google Book Search #general

Martin Fischer
 

I have also had a mostly positive experience with the Google book search
site at http://books.google.com/advanced_book_search

I had known for several years that the editor of the old New York Sun
newspaper in the late 19th Century had written and published humorous essays
concerning Col. Abe Slupsky, a rather eccentric Republican politician >from
St. Louis who was married to my paternal grandfather's sister. The Sun is
not yet available online through ProQuest or Ancestry.com, so I have only
been able to access a few of these commentaries that have been republished
in other newspapers.

A couple months ago, I went to the Google book site and discovered I was
able to read several pages mentioning Slupsky in a 2005 reprint of the 1905
book "Casual Essays of the Sun: Editorial Articles on Many Subjects Clothed
with the Philosophy of the Bright Side of Things." The online pages
contained most of two brief editorials referring to Abraham Slupsky. Since
Slupsky's name was not mentioned or, perhaps, not picked up in the scanning
process of the final page(s) of the second essay, I could not read the
concluding portion of that one online.

However, by using the interlibrary loan service of my local public library,
I was able to borrow a copy of the original 1905 book that contained the
entire essay that had not been completely available on google.

Just before writing this e-mail, I repeated the search for Abe Slupsky on
the google book site and found two more references to him that had not yet
been available online when I initially discovered the book of Sun essays.
One of the newly posted items was a page of a review of the Sun book that
was published in a 1912 compiliation of book reviews. The other was a poem
that mentioned Slupsky's reputed efforts at "school reform" in an anonymous
1896 volume called "The Fat Knight: His Complete Career with Conquests and
Collapse and Final, Marvelous Triumph," which was a satire on Grover
Cleveland.

So, it seems the google book site has been adding more volumes. If you have
an ancestor who gained some degree of notoriety or fame, even if you don't
find his or her name on the site now, wait a few months and try again.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA

The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


Family SILVERSTEIN/SILVERSTONE (SILVER?) from London #general

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

I seek descendants of Jacob SILVERSTEIN and his wife Sarah (nee Tayler)
Although >from Russia, the children were all born in London's Brick Lane.
The children were called Annie, Milly (who died young), Isaac, Simon,
Myer, Phillip, Hyman, Isidore and Sophie.
They are listed in the 1901 census under the surname SILVERSTONE.
They may have Anglicised their name to SILVER.
Some SILVERSTEINs are buried in Edmonton Federation Cemetery.
Thank you, in advance.
Daniel Gleek in London
danielgee@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family SILVERSTEIN/SILVERSTONE (SILVER?) from London #general

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

I seek descendants of Jacob SILVERSTEIN and his wife Sarah (nee Tayler)
Although >from Russia, the children were all born in London's Brick Lane.
The children were called Annie, Milly (who died young), Isaac, Simon,
Myer, Phillip, Hyman, Isidore and Sophie.
They are listed in the 1901 census under the surname SILVERSTONE.
They may have Anglicised their name to SILVER.
Some SILVERSTEINs are buried in Edmonton Federation Cemetery.
Thank you, in advance.
Daniel Gleek in London
danielgee@...


Re: State census for New York #general

Hilary <hilarynospam@...>
 

Dear Jeff,
The Mormon Library has these "censi" on microfilm, so if you have
access to a Mormon FHC, you can order them.

Go to their catalog search page
<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>, and
click on <Place> search. In the first box, type <New York>, nothing
in the second box.

When you get the results page, if you click on the first link <New
York> (No borough, city, etc.), you'll receive selected results for
the entire state. I clicked on <New York (city)> and got results for
the NYC area.

At the results, just scroll down - you'll see the individual listings
for the 1905, 1915, and 1925 censi with separate films for the maps
or street card indexes. You can click on any of the individual
listings to see more details.

Hilary Henkin
Marietta, Georgia
Please remove no spam >from my email address to reply.

At 07:49 AM 10/22/2006, malkajef wrote:
I know that New York had its own censuses for 1905, 1915 and
1925. Other than going to NY are these census records available
anywhere else to search through?

Thank you.

Jeff Malka ---
Sender: "malkajef" <malkajef@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: State census for New York #general

Hilary <hilarynospam@...>
 

Dear Jeff,
The Mormon Library has these "censi" on microfilm, so if you have
access to a Mormon FHC, you can order them.

Go to their catalog search page
<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>, and
click on <Place> search. In the first box, type <New York>, nothing
in the second box.

When you get the results page, if you click on the first link <New
York> (No borough, city, etc.), you'll receive selected results for
the entire state. I clicked on <New York (city)> and got results for
the NYC area.

At the results, just scroll down - you'll see the individual listings
for the 1905, 1915, and 1925 censi with separate films for the maps
or street card indexes. You can click on any of the individual
listings to see more details.

Hilary Henkin
Marietta, Georgia
Please remove no spam >from my email address to reply.

At 07:49 AM 10/22/2006, malkajef wrote:
I know that New York had its own censuses for 1905, 1915 and
1925. Other than going to NY are these census records available
anywhere else to search through?

Thank you.

Jeff Malka ---
Sender: "malkajef" <malkajef@...>


SIG volunteer needed for 2007 IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

I know it's early, but please let me know if you plan to attend the 27th
IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Salt Lake City July
16-19, 2007. We have a deadline of NOVEMBER 1, 2006 to apply for times to
be blocked out for our SIG. I need someone who is planning to attend to
volunteer to help coordinate our SIG events at the conference. I have
already discussed with SIG member (and IAJGS President) Anne Lee an
invitation to an Austrian speaker for the conference. Please contact me
right away if you think you might attend and want to take on a small number
of administrative tasks to help set things up for our SIG.

Thanks,

Randol Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA
Austria-Czech SIG Coordinator


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SIG volunteer needed for 2007 IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

I know it's early, but please let me know if you plan to attend the 27th
IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Salt Lake City July
16-19, 2007. We have a deadline of NOVEMBER 1, 2006 to apply for times to
be blocked out for our SIG. I need someone who is planning to attend to
volunteer to help coordinate our SIG events at the conference. I have
already discussed with SIG member (and IAJGS President) Anne Lee an
invitation to an Austrian speaker for the conference. Please contact me
right away if you think you might attend and want to take on a small number
of administrative tasks to help set things up for our SIG.

Thanks,

Randol Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA
Austria-Czech SIG Coordinator


jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

"about 87 films, published in 2004*. These are the original birth/marriage/
death registers >from the IKG"

will someone please explain what the "IKG" is?

thank you

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks, ca


Austrian citizenship law #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

In Austria there used to be, and I think there still is, the so-
called Heimatsgesetz, where every citizen has a hometown to which he
belongs, so to speak. I also think it was difficult to change the
hometown and it seems that Viennes Jews, originating in the provinces
or Hungary, had difficulty getting a Vienna "home registration".
According to "Dr. Bloch's Oesterreichisches Wochenblatt", a Viennese
Jewish weekly dated Jan. 1, 1901 this law changed on this day.
from then on an Austrian citizen who was living voluntarily and
continuosly in a certain locality could apply for acceptance into the
local "Home Community" (Heimatsverband) and the application could not
be refused by this community.
If there was an unfavourable or no decision within 6 months, the case
would be forwarded to the higher political authority, which would then
make the decision.
In several follow up articles the paper advises its readers to bring
their citizenship affairs in order and make the necessary
applications, especially Hungarian citizens, who may loose their
citizenship if they are residing more than 10 years outside Hungary.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IKG? #austria-czech

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

"about 87 films, published in 2004*. These are the original birth/marriage/
death registers >from the IKG"

will someone please explain what the "IKG" is?

thank you

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks, ca


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Austrian citizenship law #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

In Austria there used to be, and I think there still is, the so-
called Heimatsgesetz, where every citizen has a hometown to which he
belongs, so to speak. I also think it was difficult to change the
hometown and it seems that Viennes Jews, originating in the provinces
or Hungary, had difficulty getting a Vienna "home registration".
According to "Dr. Bloch's Oesterreichisches Wochenblatt", a Viennese
Jewish weekly dated Jan. 1, 1901 this law changed on this day.
from then on an Austrian citizen who was living voluntarily and
continuosly in a certain locality could apply for acceptance into the
local "Home Community" (Heimatsverband) and the application could not
be refused by this community.
If there was an unfavourable or no decision within 6 months, the case
would be forwarded to the higher political authority, which would then
make the decision.
In several follow up articles the paper advises its readers to bring
their citizenship affairs in order and make the necessary
applications, especially Hungarian citizens, who may loose their
citizenship if they are residing more than 10 years outside Hungary.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: LDS films of Jewish records #austria-czech

Bob Lenk
 

When you go past the first 111 entries, there is a comment (between two
entries in the table, "Andere Verfilmung, 2004". Following these are
the films of the original IKG registers - beginning with film number
2203448, and ending with number 1575352 (these are catalogued not in
numerical order).

Bob Lenk
Greeley, Colorado, US


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: LDS films of Jewish records #austria-czech

Bob Lenk
 

When you go past the first 111 entries, there is a comment (between two
entries in the table, "Andere Verfilmung, 2004". Following these are
the films of the original IKG registers - beginning with film number
2203448, and ending with number 1575352 (these are catalogued not in
numerical order).

Bob Lenk
Greeley, Colorado, US