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Reb Shmuel Mohilever #general

Mpcamitta@...
 

Dear genners,

So many of you wrote with helpful advice and information, volunteering
to do research and speak personally with me about Reb Shmuel Mohilever.
I believe I personally answered all of you, but want the list to know
what has transpired. I believe this is still a success story in the
making, in spite of the fact that some doubt has been cast on whether
Reb Mohilever is our family tzadik

I learned a lot about Reb Mohilever's life >from my research, but little
about his family. Gilda Kurtzman went to the library (there is a street
in Petach Tikva named for him) and found that Reb Mohilever was born in
Glebokie (now Glubokoye), Vilna district. I think that he was buried
outside of Vilna, but I haven't been able to confirm this yet. Another
genner is the Rabbi's great great grandaughter, has a lot of information
about him, and is, coincidentally, my neighbor. I will soon be able to
confirm his relationship or lack thereof.

I have confirmed that _our_ tzadik is buried in the Bobriusk cemetery.
I don't know if it is possible that he is Reb Shmuel Mohilever, the
tzadik >from Mohilev.

My distant Russian cousin wrote to say that our common ancestor, Mendel
Leibov Bassein, is buried near the concrete vault of the tzadik, belonging
to our family, in the cemetery of Bobriusk. Only his tzadik's name was
written on the vault, none other, and my cousin didn't write it down, and
forgot it. But he did send me a photo o Mendel Leibov's headstone. He said
that his mother had told him that the tzadik was a righteous and very holy
person, and that everyone in the family wanted to be buried near his
grave. But my cousin had no idea for what the tzadik had been known, or
how important he was.

More research to be done, but, if any of you plan a trip that takes you
to Bobriusk, I would truly appreciate it if you could visit the cemetery
and take a photo of just write me what name is on the vault, next to
Mendel Leibov's grave. And if any of you know of a tzadik >from Bobriusk,
maybe you could kindly help me out.

Sincerely,

Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA
landsmanshaften #general

HENKEN9@...
 

Genners,

I thought I would pose this question to the group in the hope that
someone has done the research or may have had the knowledge passed down.
The answer may be helpful in pinpointing specific shtetls that our
ancestors came from.

Generally, did landsmanshaften really have prior residency requirements
for membership? Or might it have been possible for an outsider to join
for the social aspects of the club and choice burial plots?

Any comment would be appreciated.

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@...
Re Karo/Caro as a surname #general

Chava Agmon <havahug@...>
 

To Jewishgen Discussion Group.

Greetings to Ury Link and interested Genners.

Thank you so much for making the search for family members and
descendants so easy for me. >from my experience they tend to be
very reticent. As a maternally-descended Caro family member, backed
by 110 year old original inherited Gothic documentation,I would like
to add a few observations, made over a period of 20 years of
Caro/Karo Research:

1) Many people do not realize that the name Caro/Karo is not
necessaily only a Jewish name. The late Paul Jacoby LL.D. of high
genealogical repute, wrote a whole chapter on this name in his 2 volume
typescript on the Kara/Caro Family,which would be too long to quote
here,so I will just say that the name is *not* necessarily Jewish !!

2) Paul Jacoby suggests the name also originated >from the time of
the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius (281/83 A.D.) who was greatly
respected and loved, having CARUS or CARO, meaning: beloved-heart-dear,
added to his name. Italians still start letters with "Cara mia"=My dear.

3) You wrote "Most Ashkenasi Caro-s are written only Kof-Reish-Alef".
As we deal in *Jewish* genealogy,the name is (as you correctly said)
originally a *Hebrew* term-but this means it is neither Ashkenasi nor
Sephardi. The multitude of spelling variations and changes appeared only
much later during the long period of exile after the destruction of the
2nd Temple.

4) Re the name Caro being "popular" in Posnan, Poland in the 18th and
19th century, I think, is questionable. It is true that Caro-s were
well-represented in many of the places in this Prussian province, but
I would hesitate in describing the name as "popular". You are also
correcct in claiming that the majority if not all the Posnan Caro-s
of that time were Ashkenasim.

5)Rabbi Joseph CARO (Toledo,Spain 1488-1575 Safed,Israel)was the
compiler of the Code of Jewish Law -Shulchan Aruch=Laid Table- followed
by orthodox Jews to this day. Contrary to popular belief,there were
numerous rabbis over the centuries with the same name,since the Spanish
Inquisition.They too had families,but the ambition to belong to "The"
Toledo -born Rabbi Joseph CARO family,about whose Sephardic family
"there are many yawning gaps" (P.Jacoby) also gave rise to many
fallacies and baseless wishful thinking of descent.

With best wishes for a Happy Pessach and Shalom

Chava Agmon
Caro Family Research
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reb Shmuel Mohilever #general

Mpcamitta@...
 

Dear genners,

So many of you wrote with helpful advice and information, volunteering
to do research and speak personally with me about Reb Shmuel Mohilever.
I believe I personally answered all of you, but want the list to know
what has transpired. I believe this is still a success story in the
making, in spite of the fact that some doubt has been cast on whether
Reb Mohilever is our family tzadik

I learned a lot about Reb Mohilever's life >from my research, but little
about his family. Gilda Kurtzman went to the library (there is a street
in Petach Tikva named for him) and found that Reb Mohilever was born in
Glebokie (now Glubokoye), Vilna district. I think that he was buried
outside of Vilna, but I haven't been able to confirm this yet. Another
genner is the Rabbi's great great grandaughter, has a lot of information
about him, and is, coincidentally, my neighbor. I will soon be able to
confirm his relationship or lack thereof.

I have confirmed that _our_ tzadik is buried in the Bobriusk cemetery.
I don't know if it is possible that he is Reb Shmuel Mohilever, the
tzadik >from Mohilev.

My distant Russian cousin wrote to say that our common ancestor, Mendel
Leibov Bassein, is buried near the concrete vault of the tzadik, belonging
to our family, in the cemetery of Bobriusk. Only his tzadik's name was
written on the vault, none other, and my cousin didn't write it down, and
forgot it. But he did send me a photo o Mendel Leibov's headstone. He said
that his mother had told him that the tzadik was a righteous and very holy
person, and that everyone in the family wanted to be buried near his
grave. But my cousin had no idea for what the tzadik had been known, or
how important he was.

More research to be done, but, if any of you plan a trip that takes you
to Bobriusk, I would truly appreciate it if you could visit the cemetery
and take a photo of just write me what name is on the vault, next to
Mendel Leibov's grave. And if any of you know of a tzadik >from Bobriusk,
maybe you could kindly help me out.

Sincerely,

Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen landsmanshaften #general

HENKEN9@...
 

Genners,

I thought I would pose this question to the group in the hope that
someone has done the research or may have had the knowledge passed down.
The answer may be helpful in pinpointing specific shtetls that our
ancestors came from.

Generally, did landsmanshaften really have prior residency requirements
for membership? Or might it have been possible for an outsider to join
for the social aspects of the club and choice burial plots?

Any comment would be appreciated.

Ty Henken
Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Karo/Caro as a surname #general

Chava Agmon <havahug@...>
 

To Jewishgen Discussion Group.

Greetings to Ury Link and interested Genners.

Thank you so much for making the search for family members and
descendants so easy for me. >from my experience they tend to be
very reticent. As a maternally-descended Caro family member, backed
by 110 year old original inherited Gothic documentation,I would like
to add a few observations, made over a period of 20 years of
Caro/Karo Research:

1) Many people do not realize that the name Caro/Karo is not
necessaily only a Jewish name. The late Paul Jacoby LL.D. of high
genealogical repute, wrote a whole chapter on this name in his 2 volume
typescript on the Kara/Caro Family,which would be too long to quote
here,so I will just say that the name is *not* necessarily Jewish !!

2) Paul Jacoby suggests the name also originated >from the time of
the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius (281/83 A.D.) who was greatly
respected and loved, having CARUS or CARO, meaning: beloved-heart-dear,
added to his name. Italians still start letters with "Cara mia"=My dear.

3) You wrote "Most Ashkenasi Caro-s are written only Kof-Reish-Alef".
As we deal in *Jewish* genealogy,the name is (as you correctly said)
originally a *Hebrew* term-but this means it is neither Ashkenasi nor
Sephardi. The multitude of spelling variations and changes appeared only
much later during the long period of exile after the destruction of the
2nd Temple.

4) Re the name Caro being "popular" in Posnan, Poland in the 18th and
19th century, I think, is questionable. It is true that Caro-s were
well-represented in many of the places in this Prussian province, but
I would hesitate in describing the name as "popular". You are also
correcct in claiming that the majority if not all the Posnan Caro-s
of that time were Ashkenasim.

5)Rabbi Joseph CARO (Toledo,Spain 1488-1575 Safed,Israel)was the
compiler of the Code of Jewish Law -Shulchan Aruch=Laid Table- followed
by orthodox Jews to this day. Contrary to popular belief,there were
numerous rabbis over the centuries with the same name,since the Spanish
Inquisition.They too had families,but the ambition to belong to "The"
Toledo -born Rabbi Joseph CARO family,about whose Sephardic family
"there are many yawning gaps" (P.Jacoby) also gave rise to many
fallacies and baseless wishful thinking of descent.

With best wishes for a Happy Pessach and Shalom

Chava Agmon
Caro Family Research
Re: Otzar Harabanim #rabbinic

Yocheved Klausner
 

On 2002-03-01, Reuben Gross <Reuben.Gross@...> wrote:

I'm looking to buy a copy of Otsar Harabbanim (for those who may
not be familiar with the book, it is a compilation (in hebrew) of
20,000 rabbis going back 1,000 years). Please contact me
privately if you know where I can find a copy
Dear Reuben,

Shavua Tov to you and your family.

Otzar Harabanim is still available >from the writer R'Nathan Zvi
Friedman [*** See the moderator's note below ****]

Best regards

Yehuda Klausner

Searching:
KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
(BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT), EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all
spellings) WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER (GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN)
IROM (IRAM) TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia
etc.) Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) >from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
spellings).

[Moderator's Note: Dr. Klausner had included R' Friedman's address and
phone numbers in Israel. JewishGen's guidelines prevent us >from posting
them. If you are interested in contacting R' Friedman, please send an
e-mailto:<ravsig@...>]
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Otzar Harabanim #rabbinic

Yocheved Klausner
 

On 2002-03-01, Reuben Gross <Reuben.Gross@...> wrote:

I'm looking to buy a copy of Otsar Harabbanim (for those who may
not be familiar with the book, it is a compilation (in hebrew) of
20,000 rabbis going back 1,000 years). Please contact me
privately if you know where I can find a copy
Dear Reuben,

Shavua Tov to you and your family.

Otzar Harabanim is still available >from the writer R'Nathan Zvi
Friedman [*** See the moderator's note below ****]

Best regards

Yehuda Klausner

Searching:
KLAUSNER (KLAUZNER, CLOISNER, KLUZNER, etc.), BARZAM, KADISH, BUSHKE
(BOSHKE), ZEINWIRT (ZENVIRT), EILENBERG (ILENBERG), LIEBERMAN (all
spellings) WITKIND, HOCHGELEHRNTER (GELEHRNTER), ENGLMAN (ENGELMAN)
IROM (IRAM) TEUMIM, MICHELSON Great Britain, South Africa, Rhodesia
etc.) Descendants of Moshe ben Meir KATZNELENBOGEN of Chelm, HERLING,
KATZ, (HaCOHEN, KAHANE, COHEN, etc.) >from Galicia, GRINBERG (all
spellings).

[Moderator's Note: Dr. Klausner had included R' Friedman's address and
phone numbers in Israel. JewishGen's guidelines prevent us >from posting
them. If you are interested in contacting R' Friedman, please send an
e-mailto:<ravsig@...>]
Holocaust survivors Austria / Vienna #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Are there any lists of Holocaust survivors >from Austria, specially
Vienna. Is it also possible to find out if survivors returned to
Vienna after the war.

Thank you
Peter
Germany

MODERATOR NOTE: Among other sources, don't forget to check JewishGen's
new Holocaust Database, which incorporates nearly 140,000 entries from
37 different Holocaust-related sources. You can find it at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/
Bakalarz/Szkolnik and Duchowny - Help, please. #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I just received Polish records >from Salt Lake City and need help with a
few words:

1. I find two different words for teacher: Bakalarz and Szkolnik. Is
there a difference - if yes, which?

2. In a D record >from Lublin 1843 I read: died Rubin GRADEL, born and
living in Lublin "Zonaty Dzielny Duchowny" age 51, son of ... etc.

Zonaty(married) dzielny(district) Duchowny?? My dictionary says the word
has to do with clergy. In this context could it mean district synagogue?
Or that his marriage (abt. 1815-20 judging >from the age of him and his
children) is recorded in the district church register?

Thanks

Kirsten Gradel, Denmark
LAMPENFELD in Pittsburgh #general

Stephen Berrick <stephenberrick@...>
 

Hi there,

I'm running into a brick wall it seems in tracing
Benjamin LAMPENFELD and his ancestors. Benjamin was
born around 1905, married Caroline Lubisch probably
around 1905. They lived in Pittsburgh. Caroline was
from Romania. They together had 10 children, one was
Jean, my grandmother.

When Caroline came to this country in 1904, she
mentioned that she was going to be staying with a
Sloyman Lampenfeld. I'm not sure how this person may
be related.

Any info will be greatly appreciated!

Steve


MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with any information
about this family.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holocaust survivors Austria / Vienna #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Are there any lists of Holocaust survivors >from Austria, specially
Vienna. Is it also possible to find out if survivors returned to
Vienna after the war.

Thank you
Peter
Germany

MODERATOR NOTE: Among other sources, don't forget to check JewishGen's
new Holocaust Database, which incorporates nearly 140,000 entries from
37 different Holocaust-related sources. You can find it at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bakalarz/Szkolnik and Duchowny - Help, please. #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I just received Polish records >from Salt Lake City and need help with a
few words:

1. I find two different words for teacher: Bakalarz and Szkolnik. Is
there a difference - if yes, which?

2. In a D record >from Lublin 1843 I read: died Rubin GRADEL, born and
living in Lublin "Zonaty Dzielny Duchowny" age 51, son of ... etc.

Zonaty(married) dzielny(district) Duchowny?? My dictionary says the word
has to do with clergy. In this context could it mean district synagogue?
Or that his marriage (abt. 1815-20 judging >from the age of him and his
children) is recorded in the district church register?

Thanks

Kirsten Gradel, Denmark
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LAMPENFELD in Pittsburgh #general

Stephen Berrick <stephenberrick@...>
 

Hi there,

I'm running into a brick wall it seems in tracing
Benjamin LAMPENFELD and his ancestors. Benjamin was
born around 1905, married Caroline Lubisch probably
around 1905. They lived in Pittsburgh. Caroline was
from Romania. They together had 10 children, one was
Jean, my grandmother.

When Caroline came to this country in 1904, she
mentioned that she was going to be staying with a
Sloyman Lampenfeld. I'm not sure how this person may
be related.

Any info will be greatly appreciated!

Steve


MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with any information
about this family.
Hungary--Magyar vs. Hungary--Slovak #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

My best guess is that indeed some of them were born in Hungary and
some in Slovakia. Given that in 1910, the current Slovakian territory
belonged to Great Hungary, the son-in-law was probably telling the
immigration officer that they were not born in the same area, even if
they came >from the same country. Of course the fact that they lived
in adjacent apartments had nothing to do with their birthplaces. You
can assume with high certainty that the in-laws were born in
Slovakia.

At 00:00 -0600 03.03.02, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
Subject: Hungary--Magyar vs. Hungary--Slovak
From: "Josephine Rosenblum" <jorose@...>
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:46:36 -0500

A couple, their two daughters, and a son-in-law appeared in the 1910 Census
in Cleveland. In the columns for "nativity" the first four of them were
listed as "Hungary Magyar"(and the same for their parents). The son-in-law
is listed "Hungary Slovak" (and the same for his parents). The two
families lived in adjacent apartments. Any idea why the census enumerator
differentiated between Magyar and Slovak on the same census page?

This might be of general interest.
Josephine Rosenblum
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hungary--Magyar vs. Hungary--Slovak #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

My best guess is that indeed some of them were born in Hungary and
some in Slovakia. Given that in 1910, the current Slovakian territory
belonged to Great Hungary, the son-in-law was probably telling the
immigration officer that they were not born in the same area, even if
they came >from the same country. Of course the fact that they lived
in adjacent apartments had nothing to do with their birthplaces. You
can assume with high certainty that the in-laws were born in
Slovakia.

At 00:00 -0600 03.03.02, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
Subject: Hungary--Magyar vs. Hungary--Slovak
From: "Josephine Rosenblum" <jorose@...>
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:46:36 -0500

A couple, their two daughters, and a son-in-law appeared in the 1910 Census
in Cleveland. In the columns for "nativity" the first four of them were
listed as "Hungary Magyar"(and the same for their parents). The son-in-law
is listed "Hungary Slovak" (and the same for his parents). The two
families lived in adjacent apartments. Any idea why the census enumerator
differentiated between Magyar and Slovak on the same census page?

This might be of general interest.
Josephine Rosenblum
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil
1967 Grand Concourse #general

HENKEN9@...
 

Olga and others,

The actual cross streets for 1967 Grand Concourse are Echo Pl. and
E.178th Street.

Ty Henken

Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1967 Grand Concourse #general

HENKEN9@...
 

Olga and others,

The actual cross streets for 1967 Grand Concourse are Echo Pl. and
E.178th Street.

Ty Henken

Centennial, Colo.
Henken9@...
Photographer J. GOLDMAN - New York City #general

Bev Potter <basha@...>
 

Seeking information on the photography business of J. GOLDMAN
in New York City at 38 Canal Street in the early 1900's.

I would like to know the years this photographer was in business.

I am already attempting to search New York City directories.

I have a photograph of (I believe) my grandfather, taken by him.

Anyone having knowledge of this particular GOLDMAN, please respond
privately.

Bev Potter
Boulder
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photographer J. GOLDMAN - New York City #general

Bev Potter <basha@...>
 

Seeking information on the photography business of J. GOLDMAN
in New York City at 38 Canal Street in the early 1900's.

I would like to know the years this photographer was in business.

I am already attempting to search New York City directories.

I have a photograph of (I believe) my grandfather, taken by him.

Anyone having knowledge of this particular GOLDMAN, please respond
privately.

Bev Potter
Boulder
499201 - 499220 of 669872