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Re: Help with name translation-Jerome #general

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcy [mailto:Buffysmomplus3@cs.com]

My grandfather Jerome SILBERMAN was born in NYC in 1910. He is 2nd to the
youngest of seven siblings. I recieved his father's death cert >from 1927
which listed his father's name as Jerome. I thought that my grandfather must
have been named for his grandfather. My grandfather's hebrew name is
Zacharya but the given names database lists the US translation for Zacharya
as Ben,Issachar,Barnett, and Sam. The name Jerome brings up in the database
the hebrew name Yirmiyahu with the US name being Jeremy.My great grandfather
Isaac came to NYC >from somewhere in Russia in the 1880's.I don't know if his
father came or not yet. Is my first mistake thinking that my grandfather was
named for his grandfather?
Thank you
Marcy Portney
Farmington Hills, MI


Once again we see the same question pop up. "How do you translate...." But
let me ask you a question, Marcy. Did your
great great grandfather emmigrate to the States? If he didn't what odds
would you give that his name was Jerome in "Russia"? I would venture to say
that he never heard of the name. When your grandfather was born, he was
probably named Zecharya for his fathers
father, and named Jerome because English names were also given in the
States, and your great grandparents chose it for reasons
that perhaps only they ever knew. Then when your great grandfather died,
whoever supplied the information, probably one of your grandfathers older
siblings, decided that the authorities wouldn't understand Zecharya, and so
gave the English name that had been used for your grandfather. Sort of like
it became the traditional name for Zecharta in your family.

My maternal grandmother, on her soc sec application, listed her mother as
Anna. "Anna" was born and died in Vilna Gubernia, and her real name was
Nechama. My grandmother obviously anglicized the name at her own
descretion. My grandfather, for whatever reason, listed his parents with
their real names - Uszer (and not Asher) and Yette.

The given names database is based on percentages. Most English names
are/were given/taken based on certain principles
i.e., same first letter, sound alike, translation, etc. That doesn't mean
that there can't be exeptions to the rules. Jerome may
equal Zecharya in your families equation.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Help with name translation-Jerome #general

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcy [mailto:Buffysmomplus3@cs.com]

My grandfather Jerome SILBERMAN was born in NYC in 1910. He is 2nd to the
youngest of seven siblings. I recieved his father's death cert >from 1927
which listed his father's name as Jerome. I thought that my grandfather must
have been named for his grandfather. My grandfather's hebrew name is
Zacharya but the given names database lists the US translation for Zacharya
as Ben,Issachar,Barnett, and Sam. The name Jerome brings up in the database
the hebrew name Yirmiyahu with the US name being Jeremy.My great grandfather
Isaac came to NYC >from somewhere in Russia in the 1880's.I don't know if his
father came or not yet. Is my first mistake thinking that my grandfather was
named for his grandfather?
Thank you
Marcy Portney
Farmington Hills, MI


Once again we see the same question pop up. "How do you translate...." But
let me ask you a question, Marcy. Did your
great great grandfather emmigrate to the States? If he didn't what odds
would you give that his name was Jerome in "Russia"? I would venture to say
that he never heard of the name. When your grandfather was born, he was
probably named Zecharya for his fathers
father, and named Jerome because English names were also given in the
States, and your great grandparents chose it for reasons
that perhaps only they ever knew. Then when your great grandfather died,
whoever supplied the information, probably one of your grandfathers older
siblings, decided that the authorities wouldn't understand Zecharya, and so
gave the English name that had been used for your grandfather. Sort of like
it became the traditional name for Zecharta in your family.

My maternal grandmother, on her soc sec application, listed her mother as
Anna. "Anna" was born and died in Vilna Gubernia, and her real name was
Nechama. My grandmother obviously anglicized the name at her own
descretion. My grandfather, for whatever reason, listed his parents with
their real names - Uszer (and not Asher) and Yette.

The given names database is based on percentages. Most English names
are/were given/taken based on certain principles
i.e., same first letter, sound alike, translation, etc. That doesn't mean
that there can't be exeptions to the rules. Jerome may
equal Zecharya in your families equation.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


London baker #general

Rosalind Romem <rromem@...>
 

Dear Genners

I could like to contact the gentleman who is researching London bakers. I
have learned that a branch of our family was Beadler, West End
bakers.(Probably 1900 onwards).
If anyone can help me here I will be grateful.
Ros Romem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London baker #general

Rosalind Romem <rromem@...>
 

Dear Genners

I could like to contact the gentleman who is researching London bakers. I
have learned that a branch of our family was Beadler, West End
bakers.(Probably 1900 onwards).
If anyone can help me here I will be grateful.
Ros Romem


Announcment: Meorei Galicia (Galician Sages) indexes online #ukraine

Seflaum@...
 

I am pleased to announce a new addition to the Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
(Rav-SIG) web site: Indexes to Meorei Galicia (Encyclopedia of Galician
Sages). The two indexes now online include 1,362 surnames and 324 cities,
towns, and shtetls found in Indexes to Meorei Galicia.

Meorei Galicia: Encyclopedia Lekhakhmei Galicia (Encyclopedia of Galician
Sages) is a five-volume bio-bibliographical work containing extensively
detailed genealogies of Galician rabbinical families. This impressive and
scholarly work is one of the most extensive and reliable sources of
rabbinical genealogy written in the twentieth century.

The author, Rabbi Meir Wunder, is chairman of the Institute for the
Commemoration of Galician Jewry. The Institute's main achievement is the
published five-volume Meorei Galicia. Galicia formed part of the former
Austro-Hungarian Empire. Today, Galicia is divided between southern Poland
and western Ukraine. Some of the larger cities and towns in this region
include:

Krakow (Cracow), Poland
Przemysl (Pshemishl), Poland
Tarnow, Poland
Brody (Brod, Prode), Ukraine
Drogobych (Drohobicz), Ukraine
Kolomyya (Kolomea), Ukraine
Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislawow), Ukraine
Lviv (Lwow, Lemberg, Leopol), Ukraine
Ternipol (Tarnopol), Ukraine

The contributions of the following individuals are very gratefully
acknowledged:

- Rabbi Meir Wunder, for permission to reprint material >from Meorei Galicia.
- Chaim Freedman, for the description of Meorei Galicia.
- Judy Wolkovitch, for proofreading the list of surnames.
- Dr. Neil Rosenstein, Ilan Ganot, and Edward Goldstein (of Gesher Galicia)

We are indebted to them for their invaluable assistance.

The indexes may accessed >from the Rav-SIG home page, in the What's New
section: http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic
or directly at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/databases/mgalicia.htm

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Rav-SIG Coordinator
seflaum@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Announcment: Meorei Galicia (Galician Sages) indexes online #ukraine

Seflaum@...
 

I am pleased to announce a new addition to the Rabbinic Genealogy SIG
(Rav-SIG) web site: Indexes to Meorei Galicia (Encyclopedia of Galician
Sages). The two indexes now online include 1,362 surnames and 324 cities,
towns, and shtetls found in Indexes to Meorei Galicia.

Meorei Galicia: Encyclopedia Lekhakhmei Galicia (Encyclopedia of Galician
Sages) is a five-volume bio-bibliographical work containing extensively
detailed genealogies of Galician rabbinical families. This impressive and
scholarly work is one of the most extensive and reliable sources of
rabbinical genealogy written in the twentieth century.

The author, Rabbi Meir Wunder, is chairman of the Institute for the
Commemoration of Galician Jewry. The Institute's main achievement is the
published five-volume Meorei Galicia. Galicia formed part of the former
Austro-Hungarian Empire. Today, Galicia is divided between southern Poland
and western Ukraine. Some of the larger cities and towns in this region
include:

Krakow (Cracow), Poland
Przemysl (Pshemishl), Poland
Tarnow, Poland
Brody (Brod, Prode), Ukraine
Drogobych (Drohobicz), Ukraine
Kolomyya (Kolomea), Ukraine
Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislawow), Ukraine
Lviv (Lwow, Lemberg, Leopol), Ukraine
Ternipol (Tarnopol), Ukraine

The contributions of the following individuals are very gratefully
acknowledged:

- Rabbi Meir Wunder, for permission to reprint material >from Meorei Galicia.
- Chaim Freedman, for the description of Meorei Galicia.
- Judy Wolkovitch, for proofreading the list of surnames.
- Dr. Neil Rosenstein, Ilan Ganot, and Edward Goldstein (of Gesher Galicia)

We are indebted to them for their invaluable assistance.

The indexes may accessed >from the Rav-SIG home page, in the What's New
section: http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic
or directly at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/databases/mgalicia.htm

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Rav-SIG Coordinator
seflaum@aol.com


New Feature: Index of all names on Rav-SIG site #rabbinic

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Rav-SIG Members,

We are always looking for ways to make your search for rabbinical
connections a bit easier. Therefore, a new feature has been added to
the Rav-SIG web site: a Site Index of names found throughout the web
site.

The new Site Index contains more than 1,850 names found in the
static pages of the web site. The Site Search facility may be used
to locate pages containing these names.

The Site Index does not include names found on the following pages,
which should be searched separately:
- Board and Committee Members
- Bibliography: Names of Authors
- Links
- Rabbinical Surnames
- Famous Rabbis

A link to the Site Index, as well as the Site Map, may now be found
at the bottom of every page in the web site.

Sincerely,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Rav-SIG Coordinator
seflaum@aol.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic New Feature: Index of all names on Rav-SIG site #rabbinic

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Rav-SIG Members,

We are always looking for ways to make your search for rabbinical
connections a bit easier. Therefore, a new feature has been added to
the Rav-SIG web site: a Site Index of names found throughout the web
site.

The new Site Index contains more than 1,850 names found in the
static pages of the web site. The Site Search facility may be used
to locate pages containing these names.

The Site Index does not include names found on the following pages,
which should be searched separately:
- Board and Committee Members
- Bibliography: Names of Authors
- Links
- Rabbinical Surnames
- Famous Rabbis

A link to the Site Index, as well as the Site Map, may now be found
at the bottom of every page in the web site.

Sincerely,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Rav-SIG Coordinator
seflaum@aol.com


Jewish Free School and other institutions #general

JANICE GOLDMAN <jg2333@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:
I am reading a valuable genealogy book:
Ethnic Chicago-A Multi-Cultural Portrait of Chicago
edited by Melvin G. Holli and Peter d'A. Jones
William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company
Grand Rapids, MI
1977, 2nd edition in 1995.
It mentions the Jewish Free School and the name of many other
institutions,charts, maps, etc., while painting a vivid portrait of life in
Chicago >from 1840 to 1990's. I find it to be a solid, sensitive resource.
Janice
jg2333@msn.com


Help with name translation #general

Marcy <Buffysmomplus3@...>
 

My grandfather Jerome SILBERMAN was born in NYC in 1910. He is 2nd to the
youngest of seven siblings. I recieved his father's death cert >from 1927
which listed his father's name as Jerome. I thought that my grandfather must
have been named for his grandfather. My grandfather's hebrew name is
Zacharya but the given names database lists the US translation for Zacharya
as Ben,Issachar,Barnett, and Sam. The name Jerome brings up in the database
the hebrew name Yirmiyahu with the US name being Jeremy.My great grandfather
Isaac came to NYC >from somewhere in Russia in the 1880's.I don't know if his
father came or not yet. Is my first mistake thinking that my grandfather was
named for his grandfather?
Thank you
Marcy Portney
Farmington Hills, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Free School and other institutions #general

JANICE GOLDMAN <jg2333@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners:
I am reading a valuable genealogy book:
Ethnic Chicago-A Multi-Cultural Portrait of Chicago
edited by Melvin G. Holli and Peter d'A. Jones
William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company
Grand Rapids, MI
1977, 2nd edition in 1995.
It mentions the Jewish Free School and the name of many other
institutions,charts, maps, etc., while painting a vivid portrait of life in
Chicago >from 1840 to 1990's. I find it to be a solid, sensitive resource.
Janice
jg2333@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with name translation #general

Marcy <Buffysmomplus3@...>
 

My grandfather Jerome SILBERMAN was born in NYC in 1910. He is 2nd to the
youngest of seven siblings. I recieved his father's death cert >from 1927
which listed his father's name as Jerome. I thought that my grandfather must
have been named for his grandfather. My grandfather's hebrew name is
Zacharya but the given names database lists the US translation for Zacharya
as Ben,Issachar,Barnett, and Sam. The name Jerome brings up in the database
the hebrew name Yirmiyahu with the US name being Jeremy.My great grandfather
Isaac came to NYC >from somewhere in Russia in the 1880's.I don't know if his
father came or not yet. Is my first mistake thinking that my grandfather was
named for his grandfather?
Thank you
Marcy Portney
Farmington Hills, MI


Book on UK Shipping Lists #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Rush for this book, written by the great
Debbie Beavis, world expert on the PRO
Passenger Lists held in Kew, London.


Who Sailed On Titanic? Debbie Beavis
Published by Ian Allan Publishing, 2002.

ISBN: 0-7110-2880-X

No one knows as much as Debbie-and although the
ref. to Jewish travellers is small, she gives
exactly the info we need. I have no benefit
from recommending this as a one-time
suggestion.

Miriam Margolyes
London

searching: MACLOW, MICHAELS, SANDEMAN
PACEWICZ, TURIANSKY


ruth FEINSTEIN NY City 1940-1945 #general

john maginnis <jmaginnis@...>
 

i'm searching for a Ruth FEINSTEIN married to Issac Charles HORWITZ from
bef.1940 to 1945, living in NY City.

any leads are appreciated.
john maginnis, san diego
jmaginnis@yahoo.com


Re: Organization of genealogical materials #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Hi,
I have organized my date this way.
I keep all documents relating to one family line in a looseleaf folder
in archival sleeves and I mark that doucment with a color dot where
the individual (s) are listed on the page to see it quickly.

I keep ALL the information >from documents for each person under
their name and data in MS Word and separate sheets by individuals
so when new information comes forth, I can just put it in Word and
then print out a new sheet for each person. So by glancing on a
person listed on my tree, I can scan down and see every address,
every years, every relationship on records that I ahve for that person.

Hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs
New York

I would very much appreciate hearing people's suggestions as to how to
physically organize genealogical information and documents. I would like
them organized in such a way that, when visiting a family member, I could
take a folder or more with me - with material that is relevant to that
person. Therefore, I do not want to organize the paperwork by keeping,
e.g., all census records on everyone in the same folder, even though I
have a computer program that suggests organizing papers in that way.
Lynne Shapiro
Western Mass.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Book on UK Shipping Lists #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

Rush for this book, written by the great
Debbie Beavis, world expert on the PRO
Passenger Lists held in Kew, London.


Who Sailed On Titanic? Debbie Beavis
Published by Ian Allan Publishing, 2002.

ISBN: 0-7110-2880-X

No one knows as much as Debbie-and although the
ref. to Jewish travellers is small, she gives
exactly the info we need. I have no benefit
from recommending this as a one-time
suggestion.

Miriam Margolyes
London

searching: MACLOW, MICHAELS, SANDEMAN
PACEWICZ, TURIANSKY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ruth FEINSTEIN NY City 1940-1945 #general

john maginnis <jmaginnis@...>
 

i'm searching for a Ruth FEINSTEIN married to Issac Charles HORWITZ from
bef.1940 to 1945, living in NY City.

any leads are appreciated.
john maginnis, san diego
jmaginnis@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Organization of genealogical materials #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Hi,
I have organized my date this way.
I keep all documents relating to one family line in a looseleaf folder
in archival sleeves and I mark that doucment with a color dot where
the individual (s) are listed on the page to see it quickly.

I keep ALL the information >from documents for each person under
their name and data in MS Word and separate sheets by individuals
so when new information comes forth, I can just put it in Word and
then print out a new sheet for each person. So by glancing on a
person listed on my tree, I can scan down and see every address,
every years, every relationship on records that I ahve for that person.

Hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs
New York

I would very much appreciate hearing people's suggestions as to how to
physically organize genealogical information and documents. I would like
them organized in such a way that, when visiting a family member, I could
take a folder or more with me - with material that is relevant to that
person. Therefore, I do not want to organize the paperwork by keeping,
e.g., all census records on everyone in the same folder, even though I
have a computer program that suggests organizing papers in that way.
Lynne Shapiro
Western Mass.


Re: Rabbinic Title? #rabbinic

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

On 2002.05.20, Avraham Ofek <avrofek@netvision.net.il> wrote:

I would also ask you to give me credit for knowing the difference
between a Vav and a Nun Sofit, a Kaf and a Mem or any other letter.
The letters in question are definitely Kaf Heh Vav with the
apostrophe at the end. Thanks to all of you who took the trouble to
help.
I am sure that no one meant to insult the person who made the
inquiry. Often letters on gravestones are eroded or otherwise
distorted and the person involved doesn't always consider all the
possibilities.

I have certainly fallen into that trap myself and have been grateful
for those who pointed out what was only obvious afterwards.

Israel Pickholtz

[Moderator's Note: This thread appears to have exhausted the
discussion of matters of general interest to RavSig, and will by
necessity drift into considerations regarding the specific material
evidence. The participants are therefore requested to continue the
discussion off-list, and report back to the group if they arrive at
a satisfactory explanation.]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rabbinic Title? #rabbinic

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

On 2002.05.20, Avraham Ofek <avrofek@netvision.net.il> wrote:

I would also ask you to give me credit for knowing the difference
between a Vav and a Nun Sofit, a Kaf and a Mem or any other letter.
The letters in question are definitely Kaf Heh Vav with the
apostrophe at the end. Thanks to all of you who took the trouble to
help.
I am sure that no one meant to insult the person who made the
inquiry. Often letters on gravestones are eroded or otherwise
distorted and the person involved doesn't always consider all the
possibilities.

I have certainly fallen into that trap myself and have been grateful
for those who pointed out what was only obvious afterwards.

Israel Pickholtz

[Moderator's Note: This thread appears to have exhausted the
discussion of matters of general interest to RavSig, and will by
necessity drift into considerations regarding the specific material
evidence. The participants are therefore requested to continue the
discussion off-list, and report back to the group if they arrive at
a satisfactory explanation.]