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Re: jri-pl digest: July 16, 2002 #poland

Jean-Pierre Stroweis <stroweis@...>
 

Michel,

All conferences are indeed audio-taped
Some lectures are reprinted in some magazines.
If you are interested to participate to the
organization of the IAJGS conference in 2004
in Jerusalem, contact me at
02 651 43996

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
stroweis@...

Israel Genealogical Society
www.isragen.org.il

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JRI-PL Digest for Tuesday, July 16, 2002.

1. conference

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Subject: conference
From: "michael lixenberg" <ftrvideo@...>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:30:49 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

I would like to make a suggestion concerning the upcoming conference and
future conferences.

There are many people throughout the world that would like but are unable
for many reasons to attend the conferences.
Would it not be nice if the lectures were taped and made available for
purchase over the net so that we could all benefit.

Maybe they are taped but I have not noticed any announcments to this effect
on previous conferences .




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JRI Poland #Poland Re: jri-pl digest: July 16, 2002 #poland

Jean-Pierre Stroweis <stroweis@...>
 

Michel,

All conferences are indeed audio-taped
Some lectures are reprinted in some magazines.
If you are interested to participate to the
organization of the IAJGS conference in 2004
in Jerusalem, contact me at
02 651 43996

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
stroweis@...

Israel Genealogical Society
www.isragen.org.il

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Subject: jri-pl digest: July 16, 2002


JRI-PL Digest for Tuesday, July 16, 2002.

1. conference

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: conference
From: "michael lixenberg" <ftrvideo@...>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:30:49 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

I would like to make a suggestion concerning the upcoming conference and
future conferences.

There are many people throughout the world that would like but are unable
for many reasons to attend the conferences.
Would it not be nice if the lectures were taped and made available for
purchase over the net so that we could all benefit.

Maybe they are taped but I have not noticed any announcments to this effect
on previous conferences .




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Help needed with New Mexico (USA) address look-up #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear Genners,
If you are in New Mexico state and have access to a local directory,
please can you help with a look-up for me.
I have already tried five Internet search engines, but none give the
full postal address that I am after.
The person's name is: Norman HARRIS and I believe he may be
living in Albuquerqe or Placitas (both in New Mexico).
I am after a full postal address so I can write to him.
Thnak you, in advance,
Daniel Gleek in London


Re: Rare (?) First Names #general

Nancy Hauser <nhauser@...>
 

Ever heard of one like "Sidliene" or perhaps it's "Sidliere"? I
understand that they called her "Lil".


From: MBernet@... [mailto:MBernet@...]
In a message dated 7/16/2002 5:46:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mendelssohn@... writes:

<< I found several rare firstnames (Etka , Szymen, Gberek, Lewin ,
C'erence, Krasse, Szepal, Dobrisz, Wotek, Blaj , Ulo , Beinisz,...) >>

Not so rare--except for the spelling

Etka -- a popular variant of Esther

Szymen, -- a Slavic spelling for Shimmen (Shim`on, Simon)

Gberek, --perhaps a variant on Berek (Baruch)

Lewin -- a form of Leyb (Loeb)

C'erence, --perhaps a variant on Sarah, perhaps of Tsherna (Slavic
for black); in males, a variant of Zecharya (Zacharias),
Tshernokh
(Slav, black, male), Tsener (a rare nickname derived >from the
name of a coin), Tsertlayn (>from Tzart gentle/soft)

Krasse, -- a variant of Kresl which is derived >from Gracia or >from the
Slavic
Krasna (beauty)
-snip-

Thanks, in part, to Beider's Dictionary of Ashkenazic Given Names--an
excellent source for information


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help needed with New Mexico (USA) address look-up #general

robert.gleek <robert.gleek@...>
 

Dear Genners,
If you are in New Mexico state and have access to a local directory,
please can you help with a look-up for me.
I have already tried five Internet search engines, but none give the
full postal address that I am after.
The person's name is: Norman HARRIS and I believe he may be
living in Albuquerqe or Placitas (both in New Mexico).
I am after a full postal address so I can write to him.
Thnak you, in advance,
Daniel Gleek in London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Rare (?) First Names #general

Nancy Hauser <nhauser@...>
 

Ever heard of one like "Sidliene" or perhaps it's "Sidliere"? I
understand that they called her "Lil".


From: MBernet@... [mailto:MBernet@...]
In a message dated 7/16/2002 5:46:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mendelssohn@... writes:

<< I found several rare firstnames (Etka , Szymen, Gberek, Lewin ,
C'erence, Krasse, Szepal, Dobrisz, Wotek, Blaj , Ulo , Beinisz,...) >>

Not so rare--except for the spelling

Etka -- a popular variant of Esther

Szymen, -- a Slavic spelling for Shimmen (Shim`on, Simon)

Gberek, --perhaps a variant on Berek (Baruch)

Lewin -- a form of Leyb (Loeb)

C'erence, --perhaps a variant on Sarah, perhaps of Tsherna (Slavic
for black); in males, a variant of Zecharya (Zacharias),
Tshernokh
(Slav, black, male), Tsener (a rare nickname derived >from the
name of a coin), Tsertlayn (>from Tzart gentle/soft)

Krasse, -- a variant of Kresl which is derived >from Gracia or >from the
Slavic
Krasna (beauty)
-snip-

Thanks, in part, to Beider's Dictionary of Ashkenazic Given Names--an
excellent source for information


Re: What happened to Uncle Shmiel? #general

lilian schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I have read this note >from the New York Times, written by Daniel
Mendelsohn.
We are all in search of our origins, our roots.
I myself have found a close relative last year in Canada, and his family.
He was my mother's first cousin.
After reading this wonderful writting, I discovered myself that I was too,
looking for my relatives stories, how they lived, how they looked like,
what they loved.
I am looking for the words to describe how Daniel Mendelsohn opened my
thoughts. I am not looking for the facts of death.

Thank you very much Daniel!!!!

Lilian Schorr Landes
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Thank You For Your Help. Re: Can someone pls. help - Dumbia #general

xxx@...
 

Thanks to all who responded to my question about Dumbia,
which I now know is Dabie.

Best Regards
Richard
rep@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What happened to Uncle Shmiel? #general

lilian schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I have read this note >from the New York Times, written by Daniel
Mendelsohn.
We are all in search of our origins, our roots.
I myself have found a close relative last year in Canada, and his family.
He was my mother's first cousin.
After reading this wonderful writting, I discovered myself that I was too,
looking for my relatives stories, how they lived, how they looked like,
what they loved.
I am looking for the words to describe how Daniel Mendelsohn opened my
thoughts. I am not looking for the facts of death.

Thank you very much Daniel!!!!

Lilian Schorr Landes
Buenos Aires, Argentina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank You For Your Help. Re: Can someone pls. help - Dumbia #general

xxx@...
 

Thanks to all who responded to my question about Dumbia,
which I now know is Dabie.

Best Regards
Richard
rep@...


Emmanuel Goldstone: Poland to England #general

Hafcjf@...
 

I'm searching for information on an Emmanuel GOLDSTONE who would have been
born between 1892 and 1911. He probably came >from Glowno or Brzeziny,
Poland, but may have been >from a shtetl near Lodz. The family's original
name was GOLDSZTEJN or GOLDSZTAJN.

In the 1940s, he was living at XX Harehills Ave, Leeds, England. I do not
know when exactly Emmanuel came to England, but it would probably have
been before 1930. He was very successful in business, lived in a large
house and had a number of servants. He was married, but I do not know his
wife's name or whether she was born in Poland or the UK.

Emmanuel's sister married a FLAMHOLTZ

Thanks,
Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Emmanuel Goldstone: Poland to England #general

Hafcjf@...
 

I'm searching for information on an Emmanuel GOLDSTONE who would have been
born between 1892 and 1911. He probably came >from Glowno or Brzeziny,
Poland, but may have been >from a shtetl near Lodz. The family's original
name was GOLDSZTEJN or GOLDSZTAJN.

In the 1940s, he was living at XX Harehills Ave, Leeds, England. I do not
know when exactly Emmanuel came to England, but it would probably have
been before 1930. He was very successful in business, lived in a large
house and had a number of servants. He was married, but I do not know his
wife's name or whether she was born in Poland or the UK.

Emmanuel's sister married a FLAMHOLTZ

Thanks,
Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@...


equivalent for Emmanuel #general

Hafcjf@...
 

Hope some of you Jewishgenners out there can help.

I'm trying to find out what the original given name of Emmanuel GOLDSTONE
would have been before he Anglicized it. I've located the records for his
family in Glowno, Poland. His original surname was GOLDSZTEJN or GOLDSZTAJN.

By matching birth and death records, I've determined that Emmanuel's
original name was one of the following:

Noech, Dawid Hersz, Aron, Chaim Ojzer, Szamsie, or Fuel.

I can't see any correlation between these names. It sounds like he was
trying to make his name as gentile sounding as possible.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@...

MODERATOR NOTE: A very good tool in determining name changes can be
found in the Jewishgen Given Names Database. The URL is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen equivalent for Emmanuel #general

Hafcjf@...
 

Hope some of you Jewishgenners out there can help.

I'm trying to find out what the original given name of Emmanuel GOLDSTONE
would have been before he Anglicized it. I've located the records for his
family in Glowno, Poland. His original surname was GOLDSZTEJN or GOLDSZTAJN.

By matching birth and death records, I've determined that Emmanuel's
original name was one of the following:

Noech, Dawid Hersz, Aron, Chaim Ojzer, Szamsie, or Fuel.

I can't see any correlation between these names. It sounds like he was
trying to make his name as gentile sounding as possible.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
hafcjf@...

MODERATOR NOTE: A very good tool in determining name changes can be
found in the Jewishgen Given Names Database. The URL is:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames


Re: Birthdates #general

Richard Lowenthal <richlowenthal@...>
 

In many cases it's not a question of whether or not they knew the exact
birthdate, but what was reported. I've found a tendency in many cases
within my family for the ages of unmarried woman to be significantly less
than the real age. For instance, my grandmother and her twin brother were
born in 1893, but in the 1915 census their mother reported her as two years
younger than her twin brother. Her other unmarried sisters were similarly
rejuvenated. I've found similar examples on both sides of my family. The
ages reported in Ellis Island records seem to be particularly fluid, with a
tendency to make teenagers older and middle-aged people younger, presumably
on the assumption it would help them get into the country.

It saddens me and I believe it does a disservice to our combined
and individual genealogy quests to state with oversimplification that
our grandparents did not know their dates of birth.


Missing people from Ellis Island manifest #general

Rich Lowenthal <richlowenthal@...>
 

I'm trying to track down the immigration records for my great-grandfather's
family. Prior to entering this country his name was Isaac LEVITAN; he
traveled here with his children Dora, Eva, Jette, and Rebecca. I've finally
managed to find them through the Hamburg database; they traveled on the
Brasilia, leaving Hamburg 30 August 1899. The Brasilia arrived in NY on 13
September 1899; I've found the manifest pages through the Morse website,
but can't find my relatives on the list. There are only three manifest
pages available online for the Brasilia (just over 60 passengers) which
seems unusually short. Is it likely that the microfilm does not include all
the manifest pages? (The index on the microfilm says there are only three
pages, so it doesn't seem to be a matter of missing pages >from the
website.) Is it possible the Hamburg site is wrong, and that they took
another boat? Did they slip overboard and swim ashore? Does anyone have any
suggestion of what to do?

Also, does anyone know whether the LDS microfilm of the Hamburg records is
likely to have any more information than what is available through the
Hamburg website? I was hoping to find the place of birth for them, but that
information is absent >from the abstract.

Thanks for your help.

Rich Lowenthal

Researching MALKIEL, REFOWICH, DRITZ, GLEICHENHAUS


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birthdates #general

Richard Lowenthal <richlowenthal@...>
 

In many cases it's not a question of whether or not they knew the exact
birthdate, but what was reported. I've found a tendency in many cases
within my family for the ages of unmarried woman to be significantly less
than the real age. For instance, my grandmother and her twin brother were
born in 1893, but in the 1915 census their mother reported her as two years
younger than her twin brother. Her other unmarried sisters were similarly
rejuvenated. I've found similar examples on both sides of my family. The
ages reported in Ellis Island records seem to be particularly fluid, with a
tendency to make teenagers older and middle-aged people younger, presumably
on the assumption it would help them get into the country.

It saddens me and I believe it does a disservice to our combined
and individual genealogy quests to state with oversimplification that
our grandparents did not know their dates of birth.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Missing people from Ellis Island manifest #general

Rich Lowenthal <richlowenthal@...>
 

I'm trying to track down the immigration records for my great-grandfather's
family. Prior to entering this country his name was Isaac LEVITAN; he
traveled here with his children Dora, Eva, Jette, and Rebecca. I've finally
managed to find them through the Hamburg database; they traveled on the
Brasilia, leaving Hamburg 30 August 1899. The Brasilia arrived in NY on 13
September 1899; I've found the manifest pages through the Morse website,
but can't find my relatives on the list. There are only three manifest
pages available online for the Brasilia (just over 60 passengers) which
seems unusually short. Is it likely that the microfilm does not include all
the manifest pages? (The index on the microfilm says there are only three
pages, so it doesn't seem to be a matter of missing pages >from the
website.) Is it possible the Hamburg site is wrong, and that they took
another boat? Did they slip overboard and swim ashore? Does anyone have any
suggestion of what to do?

Also, does anyone know whether the LDS microfilm of the Hamburg records is
likely to have any more information than what is available through the
Hamburg website? I was hoping to find the place of birth for them, but that
information is absent >from the abstract.

Thanks for your help.

Rich Lowenthal

Researching MALKIEL, REFOWICH, DRITZ, GLEICHENHAUS


Tarachovsky, Petcha gubernia, Yekaterinoslav etc #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear List members,

My TARACHOVSKY, KATSEV (later Kaitiff) & ZILBER (later Silver) families
came to Britain and the USA >from the Ukraine. We know the Zilber family
came >from Odessa, but we now have 4 possible places of origin for the
Tarachovsky family:

"PETCHA GUBERNIA": Family legend says they came >from here, but I've never
been able to find it. Could it be a Yiddish name for one of the main
Ukraine gubernias?

BACHMACH: Name given to us with great confidence by a well-informed family
member.

YEKATERINOSLAV: Every branch of the Tarachovsky family apart >from our own
says, in total confidence, that the family came >from here.

"BORISNA, RUSSIA": Stated on the Ellis Island website on the immigration
records of some of the Tarachovskys in 1910, but the ShtetlSeeker gave
nothing suitable.

My questions to you are as follows:

1. Do the surnames TARACHOVSKY (or similar) or KATSEV come into your
research?
2. Did they come >from any of "Petcha gubernia", Bachmach, Yekaterinoslav
or "Borisna"?
3. Do you know which gubernia was called "Petcha"?
4. Do you know where Borisna was?
5. Does the surname ZILBER, >from Odessa, come into your research? I
believe this was a family which suffered virtually total annihilation in
pogroms.

Any replies will be very much appreciated, either to this list or
privately at saulmarks@... .

Many thanks,

Saul Marks
Northern England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tarachovsky, Petcha gubernia, Yekaterinoslav etc #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear List members,

My TARACHOVSKY, KATSEV (later Kaitiff) & ZILBER (later Silver) families
came to Britain and the USA >from the Ukraine. We know the Zilber family
came >from Odessa, but we now have 4 possible places of origin for the
Tarachovsky family:

"PETCHA GUBERNIA": Family legend says they came >from here, but I've never
been able to find it. Could it be a Yiddish name for one of the main
Ukraine gubernias?

BACHMACH: Name given to us with great confidence by a well-informed family
member.

YEKATERINOSLAV: Every branch of the Tarachovsky family apart >from our own
says, in total confidence, that the family came >from here.

"BORISNA, RUSSIA": Stated on the Ellis Island website on the immigration
records of some of the Tarachovskys in 1910, but the ShtetlSeeker gave
nothing suitable.

My questions to you are as follows:

1. Do the surnames TARACHOVSKY (or similar) or KATSEV come into your
research?
2. Did they come >from any of "Petcha gubernia", Bachmach, Yekaterinoslav
or "Borisna"?
3. Do you know which gubernia was called "Petcha"?
4. Do you know where Borisna was?
5. Does the surname ZILBER, >from Odessa, come into your research? I
believe this was a family which suffered virtually total annihilation in
pogroms.

Any replies will be very much appreciated, either to this list or
privately at saulmarks@... .

Many thanks,

Saul Marks
Northern England