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Searching for Hoffman-Swinburn Records #general

Yendor62@...
 

Hello Genners,
After more than a year of searching in vain for Ellis Island records of
my grandmother and her first child, the manifest that had been
unavailable has now been opened. My grandmother, Feige Leah Abelovitz
(listed on the records as Fedge Abelovitz) and her young daughter Rochel
(aged 36 months or 3 years, six months - mistakenly listed as 36 years),
arrived at Ellis Island on the Kroonland on April 12, 1906. The mother
was admitted, but the child was listed as *Died in Hospital*. The
manifest does not indicate which hospital. I would like to find the
records for Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island, so that I can discover
more about my little aunt. I have read the Rafael Guber article, *When
Genealogists Read History, Part 2* (Ancestry Magazine, May/June 1997).
If he or anyone else who has additional info about these two islands would
contact me, perhaps I could find out where Rochel is buried, or if she was
cremated. Searches are also being made of the three cemeteries where
most of those who died in hospital were apparently buried.
Thanks in advance to all.
Toby RODNEY
apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Hoffman-Swinburn Records #general

Yendor62@...
 

Hello Genners,
After more than a year of searching in vain for Ellis Island records of
my grandmother and her first child, the manifest that had been
unavailable has now been opened. My grandmother, Feige Leah Abelovitz
(listed on the records as Fedge Abelovitz) and her young daughter Rochel
(aged 36 months or 3 years, six months - mistakenly listed as 36 years),
arrived at Ellis Island on the Kroonland on April 12, 1906. The mother
was admitted, but the child was listed as *Died in Hospital*. The
manifest does not indicate which hospital. I would like to find the
records for Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island, so that I can discover
more about my little aunt. I have read the Rafael Guber article, *When
Genealogists Read History, Part 2* (Ancestry Magazine, May/June 1997).
If he or anyone else who has additional info about these two islands would
contact me, perhaps I could find out where Rochel is buried, or if she was
cremated. Searches are also being made of the three cemeteries where
most of those who died in hospital were apparently buried.
Thanks in advance to all.
Toby RODNEY
apex, NC
yendor62@aol.com


Locating Alison Greengard #general

MMBegun@...
 

My recent attempt to email Alison Greengard was returned with a "user
unknown" error message.

Alison -- if you're out there with a new email address, please contact me
regarding research in Miedzyrzec Podlaski.

Thank you. Mila Begun in New York.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Locating Alison Greengard #general

MMBegun@...
 

My recent attempt to email Alison Greengard was returned with a "user
unknown" error message.

Alison -- if you're out there with a new email address, please contact me
regarding research in Miedzyrzec Podlaski.

Thank you. Mila Begun in New York.


Our Ukraine SIG Challenge!! #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Wonderful Members!

I'm so proud of our Ukraine SIG. Your response to my plea for contributions
to JewishGen was immediate & overwhelming. The donations are still coming
in. Without these funds to back up new projects that are in the works,
JewishGen will be be unable to upload the databases for your use.

So now .... here's the challenge! We're one of the largest active SIGs, &
I'd like to see us emerge as leaders & examples. This is our chance to show
that we're ALL givers - whether we donate $5 or $500!! Every bit counts. If
you've already made your contribution, you're already a leader. If you've
been waiting, this is the time for you to step forward.

** Let's be the first SIG whose membership gives 100%.
(For those who are also on other SIGs, your name will "already be counted" &
put on the donor list as a JG philanthropist. <g> ) Just think about what we
can start once we get this ball rolling. When we've each done our bit, we
can challenge the other SIGs to match our magnanimity ... AND alleviate our
budget problem!

Forget the popular soda pop entreaty ;-)
- instead, "Take the Ukraine SIG JewishGen Challenge"!!!!!!
We're all in this together, & I have a lot of faith in our SIG. Can we make
it 100% participation by the end of this week?! Put your hearts into your
pocketbooks & let's show our "sibling" SIGs what wholehearted giving is all
about. WE CAN DO IT FOLKS!

Cheers to all of you,
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Our Ukraine SIG Challenge!! #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Wonderful Members!

I'm so proud of our Ukraine SIG. Your response to my plea for contributions
to JewishGen was immediate & overwhelming. The donations are still coming
in. Without these funds to back up new projects that are in the works,
JewishGen will be be unable to upload the databases for your use.

So now .... here's the challenge! We're one of the largest active SIGs, &
I'd like to see us emerge as leaders & examples. This is our chance to show
that we're ALL givers - whether we donate $5 or $500!! Every bit counts. If
you've already made your contribution, you're already a leader. If you've
been waiting, this is the time for you to step forward.

** Let's be the first SIG whose membership gives 100%.
(For those who are also on other SIGs, your name will "already be counted" &
put on the donor list as a JG philanthropist. <g> ) Just think about what we
can start once we get this ball rolling. When we've each done our bit, we
can challenge the other SIGs to match our magnanimity ... AND alleviate our
budget problem!

Forget the popular soda pop entreaty ;-)
- instead, "Take the Ukraine SIG JewishGen Challenge"!!!!!!
We're all in this together, & I have a lot of faith in our SIG. Can we make
it 100% participation by the end of this week?! Put your hearts into your
pocketbooks & let's show our "sibling" SIGs what wholehearted giving is all
about. WE CAN DO IT FOLKS!

Cheers to all of you,
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca


Searching: Labour camp "Wendefurt" in Germany/Austria #general

Robert Fraser <rgfraser@...>
 

I'm most grateful to all those people who responded to my query, both
privately and publicly. Unfortunately, the answers raise more questions!
It seems that the Wenderfurth camp - if it was indeed a camp - was part
of, or adjacent to, a nazi police school in the Harz mountain range,
between Kassel, Hanover and Magdeburg in Germany. It's close to a place
called Wernigerode in the land (province) of Sachsen-Anhalt.

Clearly, one couldn't travel there and back >from Vienna each day.

So was it a labour camp? Was it a slave labour setup to construct the
school? Or was it associated with dam construction works that went on
there for several years? I'll probably never know.

Today, it's a tourist area in a national park, with rock climbing and
lakes. And it's an area that has ancient associations with Walpurgisnacht
and witches. How appropriate a location for a nazi camp!

Shana Tova

- Robert Fraser
rgfraser@iinet.net.au


Re: What Name is "Lilka" a diminutive of? #general

GreGG <gregg@...>
 

Dear group,

I have a Polish female relative whose first name I know as "Lilka".

Would anyone know what name Lilka might be a diminutive of?
In Polish, it could be a diminutive of Lilia, Liliana - as for Jewish
given names, there's no direct match, perhaps of Lea of Liba.

Regards,

G. Gembala


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Labour camp "Wendefurt" in Germany/Austria #general

Robert Fraser <rgfraser@...>
 

I'm most grateful to all those people who responded to my query, both
privately and publicly. Unfortunately, the answers raise more questions!
It seems that the Wenderfurth camp - if it was indeed a camp - was part
of, or adjacent to, a nazi police school in the Harz mountain range,
between Kassel, Hanover and Magdeburg in Germany. It's close to a place
called Wernigerode in the land (province) of Sachsen-Anhalt.

Clearly, one couldn't travel there and back >from Vienna each day.

So was it a labour camp? Was it a slave labour setup to construct the
school? Or was it associated with dam construction works that went on
there for several years? I'll probably never know.

Today, it's a tourist area in a national park, with rock climbing and
lakes. And it's an area that has ancient associations with Walpurgisnacht
and witches. How appropriate a location for a nazi camp!

Shana Tova

- Robert Fraser
rgfraser@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What Name is "Lilka" a diminutive of? #general

GreGG <gregg@...>
 

Dear group,

I have a Polish female relative whose first name I know as "Lilka".

Would anyone know what name Lilka might be a diminutive of?
In Polish, it could be a diminutive of Lilia, Liliana - as for Jewish
given names, there's no direct match, perhaps of Lea of Liba.

Regards,

G. Gembala


JGS of Georgia August Meeting #general

Sandi Goldsmith
 

Join us for a
"Get Acquainted Dinner"

When: Tuesday, August 27, 2002

Time: 7:00 pm

Where: Sweet Tomatoes
6350 Peachtree Dunwoody Rd.

Check our web site for directions and additional information.
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsg/

Sandi Goldsmith
Alpharetta, GA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Georgia August Meeting #general

Sandi Goldsmith
 

Join us for a
"Get Acquainted Dinner"

When: Tuesday, August 27, 2002

Time: 7:00 pm

Where: Sweet Tomatoes
6350 Peachtree Dunwoody Rd.

Check our web site for directions and additional information.
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsg/

Sandi Goldsmith
Alpharetta, GA


Re: yizkor digest: August 18, 2002 #yizkorbooks

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 8/19/02 1:02:05 AM, yizkor@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< The word I ran across today is "Git Luczmiec." I suspect that it has to
do with trash collection. >>

This is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind for submitting to a group. I
hope someone can help.

Is this meant to be Polish spelling? What are the Hebrew letters used for
the word?
Could you give us the context?

Is the "git" a hard "g" or a soft "g" as in giovanni? "rzucic," pronounced
"zhuchich," means to throw. Perhaps the "i" in git should be a "u." The word
"smieci," pronounced shmiechi," because it has a slash over the "s," means
garbage. I don't understand the "lu" however.

Fay Bussgang


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Re: yizkor digest: August 18, 2002 #yizkorbooks

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 8/19/02 1:02:05 AM, yizkor@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< The word I ran across today is "Git Luczmiec." I suspect that it has to
do with trash collection. >>

This is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind for submitting to a group. I
hope someone can help.

Is this meant to be Polish spelling? What are the Hebrew letters used for
the word?
Could you give us the context?

Is the "git" a hard "g" or a soft "g" as in giovanni? "rzucic," pronounced
"zhuchich," means to throw. Perhaps the "i" in git should be a "u." The word
"smieci," pronounced shmiechi," because it has a slash over the "s," means
garbage. I don't understand the "lu" however.

Fay Bussgang


Mt. Zion Cemetery, NYC #general

Toni Kamins <toni.kamins@...>
 

Posted by Maria Torres, July 8, 2002
Incidentally, Manhattan is dotted with very old Sephardic plots, smack in
the middle of street. They consist of not more than ten graves per plot.
There are far more graves than ten.....in some cases it's a few dozen.

I pass by one in the West Village, very near the Jefferson Market library,
almost every week. It dates >from about 1868, is, as I remember, Portuguese
Sephardic, and is tightly-locked against all comers. The stones seem to be
imbedded into the building wall behind it
Only some stones are embedded in the foundation wall of the adjacent
building....others are free standing.

and the writing is too small and worn to read >from where you're forced to
stand. I know that, during the
mid-19th century, the library was a women's prison,
The library (Jefferson Market) was actually a court house; the women's
prison (the Women's House of Detention) was next door until the 1970s.

and that Washington Square, only a short skip away, was a Potters'
Field, so this little cemetery was not, at that time, in the most
desirable area.
Not true. At the time the cemetery was founded Greenwich Village was a
country area of town houses and mansions. It was not the urban scape you
see today. There were even many creeks and brooks running through it.

I recall another, tiny plot -- mabybe five graves at the most, with the
same feel to the stones and the wear to them -- near Chinatown,
It's at Chatham Square and it has a few dozen graves.

but have only seen it once and never been able to re-discover it.
Again, at the time I'm assuming this plot would have been established,
this area of Manhattan was a slum community known as Five Points
(unless my chronology is way off).
Your chronology is way off as is your geography. In the first place
Chatham Square is nowhere near the area known as Five Points. Chatham
Square is in today's Chinatown, while Five Points is in Soho further
uptown and to the west. The Sephardic cemetery on Chatham Square to which
you refer was the cemetery of New York/New Amsterdam's first Jewish
community in the 17th century. The Five Points slum developed over a
century later.

Manhattan has three cemeteries that were founded by the Sephardic
Community: the first on Chatham Square, the second on W. 11th street
between Fifth and Sixth avenues, and the third on 21st street between
Sixth and Seventh Avenues. The fourth is in Queens.

Toni L. Kamins
New York, NY
toni.kamins@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Zion Cemetery, NYC #general

Toni Kamins <toni.kamins@...>
 

Posted by Maria Torres, July 8, 2002
Incidentally, Manhattan is dotted with very old Sephardic plots, smack in
the middle of street. They consist of not more than ten graves per plot.
There are far more graves than ten.....in some cases it's a few dozen.

I pass by one in the West Village, very near the Jefferson Market library,
almost every week. It dates >from about 1868, is, as I remember, Portuguese
Sephardic, and is tightly-locked against all comers. The stones seem to be
imbedded into the building wall behind it
Only some stones are embedded in the foundation wall of the adjacent
building....others are free standing.

and the writing is too small and worn to read >from where you're forced to
stand. I know that, during the
mid-19th century, the library was a women's prison,
The library (Jefferson Market) was actually a court house; the women's
prison (the Women's House of Detention) was next door until the 1970s.

and that Washington Square, only a short skip away, was a Potters'
Field, so this little cemetery was not, at that time, in the most
desirable area.
Not true. At the time the cemetery was founded Greenwich Village was a
country area of town houses and mansions. It was not the urban scape you
see today. There were even many creeks and brooks running through it.

I recall another, tiny plot -- mabybe five graves at the most, with the
same feel to the stones and the wear to them -- near Chinatown,
It's at Chatham Square and it has a few dozen graves.

but have only seen it once and never been able to re-discover it.
Again, at the time I'm assuming this plot would have been established,
this area of Manhattan was a slum community known as Five Points
(unless my chronology is way off).
Your chronology is way off as is your geography. In the first place
Chatham Square is nowhere near the area known as Five Points. Chatham
Square is in today's Chinatown, while Five Points is in Soho further
uptown and to the west. The Sephardic cemetery on Chatham Square to which
you refer was the cemetery of New York/New Amsterdam's first Jewish
community in the 17th century. The Five Points slum developed over a
century later.

Manhattan has three cemeteries that were founded by the Sephardic
Community: the first on Chatham Square, the second on W. 11th street
between Fifth and Sixth avenues, and the third on 21st street between
Sixth and Seventh Avenues. The fourth is in Queens.

Toni L. Kamins
New York, NY
toni.kamins@verizon.net


Kremenchug Yeshivah #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

I am seeking information about a Yeshiva which functioned in
Kremenchug, Ukraine. Several of my relatives attended the Yeshiva
in the late 1890's - early 1900's. It would have been a Misnagdish
Yeshiva and not the Chabad Yeshiva which functioned around the time
of the First World War. "Ohalei Shem" (Gotlieb) gives the names of
two rabbis of Kremenchug but there is no mention of a Yeshivah.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Kremenchug Yeshivah #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

I am seeking information about a Yeshiva which functioned in
Kremenchug, Ukraine. Several of my relatives attended the Yeshiva
in the late 1890's - early 1900's. It would have been a Misnagdish
Yeshiva and not the Chabad Yeshiva which functioned around the time
of the First World War. "Ohalei Shem" (Gotlieb) gives the names of
two rabbis of Kremenchug but there is no mention of a Yeshivah.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm


Re: Yichus Book #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

On 2002.08.18, M. Sapirman <sapirman@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Has anyone ever heard of a sefer called Mazkeres P'K'SH? It might
be a delineation of yichus to the Dejer Rov or to the Bobover Rebbe.
The 3 vol. book is titled "Mazkeret Paks"/ edited by S.B.D Sofer/
printed in Jerusalem 1962-1973. A 1993 edition exists. Its about
the Hungarian town Paks (1720-1944)

Regards,
Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Yichus Book #rabbinic

Tomer Brunner
 

On 2002.08.18, M. Sapirman <sapirman@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Has anyone ever heard of a sefer called Mazkeres P'K'SH? It might
be a delineation of yichus to the Dejer Rov or to the Bobover Rebbe.
The 3 vol. book is titled "Mazkeret Paks"/ edited by S.B.D Sofer/
printed in Jerusalem 1962-1973. A 1993 edition exists. Its about
the Hungarian town Paks (1720-1944)

Regards,
Tomer Brunner, Israel.