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Re: Difficult research problem in London #unitedkingdom

Sophia Hallan <sophia_hallan@...>
 

Dear Linda,

If your relative was in London between 1888 and 1903
then you could try using the on-line version of the
England and Wales 1901 Census Test Site at
http://census.pro.gov.uk. I have had some success
locating relatives when we were not sure where they
were at at around this time.

It is fairly self explanatory and you can pay for full
details and printouts using a credit card. The only
draw back if you are in the USA is that it is only
active >from 09h00-17h00 UK time though 7 days a week.

Best of Luck

Sophia Hallan

Researching:

KAZANSKY/KHAZANSKY/KAZAN: Sirotino nr Vitebsk -> Lake
Houleh & Jerusalem, Palestine -> London, Manchester &
Liverpool, UK [-> USA].

ELBERG: Sokolow, Bialystok & Krakow, Poland -> London,
Manchester & Liverpool, UK.

HYMAN/HEIMAN: 1840's Central Europe -> London,
Manchester, UK.

COHEN (HaCohen): 1840's Central Europe -> London,
Manchester, UK.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Difficult research problem in London #unitedkingdom

Sophia Hallan <sophia_hallan@...>
 

Dear Linda,

If your relative was in London between 1888 and 1903
then you could try using the on-line version of the
England and Wales 1901 Census Test Site at
http://census.pro.gov.uk. I have had some success
locating relatives when we were not sure where they
were at at around this time.

It is fairly self explanatory and you can pay for full
details and printouts using a credit card. The only
draw back if you are in the USA is that it is only
active >from 09h00-17h00 UK time though 7 days a week.

Best of Luck

Sophia Hallan

Researching:

KAZANSKY/KHAZANSKY/KAZAN: Sirotino nr Vitebsk -> Lake
Houleh & Jerusalem, Palestine -> London, Manchester &
Liverpool, UK [-> USA].

ELBERG: Sokolow, Bialystok & Krakow, Poland -> London,
Manchester & Liverpool, UK.

HYMAN/HEIMAN: 1840's Central Europe -> London,
Manchester, UK.

COHEN (HaCohen): 1840's Central Europe -> London,
Manchester, UK.


Re: Passengers arriving twice to EI #general

Alex Skolnick <bussupp@...>
 

genners,

the most likely explanation is that they did not sail on the first
trip, but sailed on the second. Something happened at the port-- they
realized they didn't have the correct papers, someone got sick, etc. So
they traveled a week or two later.

Alex Skolnick
Somerset, NJ

--- Saul Marks <saulmarks@hotmail.com> wrote:

I, too, have had the same thing: my Tarakowskaja family (mother & 4
children) came into EI on 4 July 1910 & again on the same ship on 15
August
1910.

Can anyone provide any other explanations for this strange
"behaviour"?


Re: BOTWINICK : not original name #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Assuming that it is the given name which is the question, the most likely
Hebrew/Yiddish name for Barnet in English is any which starts with B. My
gr grandfather Baruch was at one point Barnet. Ber which is Yiddish is
another possibility-the Hebrew Dov is a likely Hebrew name for someone
known as Ber because the meaning is the same. Of course any name can
become any other name in another language, but Barnet is not common enough
to be considered 'popular', so it would be likely that he would have a 'B'
name.

What you need, however, is evidence. His Hebrew name would be on his
tombstone if it is in Hebrew. So would synagogue records usually have his
Hebrew name. Any civil records are also possible, such as my gr
grandfather's marriage record where he is Baruch on one page and Barnett on
the other-although usually in the US he was Bernhard!

As for the spelling of the surname, spelling varied a lot in the beginning
of the 20th century and before. You need to search all possible spellings
and misspellings of this or any name.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


Re: BOTWINICK : not original name #general

Linda <altmanlh@...>
 

On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, "Unterspan" wrote:
... How do I get further than this, I don't have living relatives who can tell
me what his name was before he called himself Barnet (Barnie) and added the
c to the surname.

Thanks.

Diane Unterspan
Diane;
I did a lookup on the SSDI list located at <http://www.familysearch.org>
searching only the name BOTWINICK and came up with 105 hits. Using the
surname BOTWINIK there were 52 hits. I did not see anything with a given
name of Barnet(Barnett) or Barnie (Barney). There were several who died
in 1962. Keep in mind that handwritten Barnett or Barnet can look a lot
like Bennett or Bennet. It can also be mistaken as Bernard or Barnard.
Barney or Barnie can be mistaken for Benny or Bennie, which can then be
misinterpreted to mean that his name was Benjamin. My g. grandfather's
name was also Barnet, his name has appeard in records using all of the
above deviations as well as Bonish (a New York City clerk's
interpretation). His original given name was Bentzion. There is also
another Bentzion in my family. He went by the given name of David.

Have you tried finding a phone book for 1961 for Glen Cove? He may be
listed there. Also, look for probate or a will for him. Did he own a home
or land in Glen Cove? Check with the town or county office for deed and
land records. The best way to find out about him is to go >from the last
record created to the first. Trace him backwards >from his death to his
birth. You have his death certificate. Now, look for burial and cemetary
records. Then probate and wills, land and deeds, tax records, voter
records, marriage records, birth records of his children and their
marriage records and census records. He has to be out there somewhere.

I hope that this helps you.

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary.
BERGMAN >from Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow, Poland to
UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER, Austria.
KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from Russia to US.
LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passengers arriving twice to EI #general

Alex Skolnick <bussupp@...>
 

genners,

the most likely explanation is that they did not sail on the first
trip, but sailed on the second. Something happened at the port-- they
realized they didn't have the correct papers, someone got sick, etc. So
they traveled a week or two later.

Alex Skolnick
Somerset, NJ

--- Saul Marks <saulmarks@hotmail.com> wrote:

I, too, have had the same thing: my Tarakowskaja family (mother & 4
children) came into EI on 4 July 1910 & again on the same ship on 15
August
1910.

Can anyone provide any other explanations for this strange
"behaviour"?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BOTWINICK : not original name #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Assuming that it is the given name which is the question, the most likely
Hebrew/Yiddish name for Barnet in English is any which starts with B. My
gr grandfather Baruch was at one point Barnet. Ber which is Yiddish is
another possibility-the Hebrew Dov is a likely Hebrew name for someone
known as Ber because the meaning is the same. Of course any name can
become any other name in another language, but Barnet is not common enough
to be considered 'popular', so it would be likely that he would have a 'B'
name.

What you need, however, is evidence. His Hebrew name would be on his
tombstone if it is in Hebrew. So would synagogue records usually have his
Hebrew name. Any civil records are also possible, such as my gr
grandfather's marriage record where he is Baruch on one page and Barnett on
the other-although usually in the US he was Bernhard!

As for the spelling of the surname, spelling varied a lot in the beginning
of the 20th century and before. You need to search all possible spellings
and misspellings of this or any name.

Sally Bruckheimer
Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BOTWINICK : not original name #general

Linda <altmanlh@...>
 

On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, "Unterspan" wrote:
... How do I get further than this, I don't have living relatives who can tell
me what his name was before he called himself Barnet (Barnie) and added the
c to the surname.

Thanks.

Diane Unterspan
Diane;
I did a lookup on the SSDI list located at <http://www.familysearch.org>
searching only the name BOTWINICK and came up with 105 hits. Using the
surname BOTWINIK there were 52 hits. I did not see anything with a given
name of Barnet(Barnett) or Barnie (Barney). There were several who died
in 1962. Keep in mind that handwritten Barnett or Barnet can look a lot
like Bennett or Bennet. It can also be mistaken as Bernard or Barnard.
Barney or Barnie can be mistaken for Benny or Bennie, which can then be
misinterpreted to mean that his name was Benjamin. My g. grandfather's
name was also Barnet, his name has appeard in records using all of the
above deviations as well as Bonish (a New York City clerk's
interpretation). His original given name was Bentzion. There is also
another Bentzion in my family. He went by the given name of David.

Have you tried finding a phone book for 1961 for Glen Cove? He may be
listed there. Also, look for probate or a will for him. Did he own a home
or land in Glen Cove? Check with the town or county office for deed and
land records. The best way to find out about him is to go >from the last
record created to the first. Trace him backwards >from his death to his
birth. You have his death certificate. Now, look for burial and cemetary
records. Then probate and wills, land and deeds, tax records, voter
records, marriage records, birth records of his children and their
marriage records and census records. He has to be out there somewhere.

I hope that this helps you.

Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC
researching:
ALTMAN, >from Russia to NY City. TYRNAUER >from Hungary.
BERGMAN >from Warsaw & Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland to the UK, Israel and US.
CYBULA/CYBULKA/CYBULKO/CYBULKSI, Ostrow Maz., Siedlce,& Zambrow, Poland to
UK, and US. GOLDFINGIER, Sokolow-Podlaski, Poland. SINGER, Austria.
KRIEDBERG/KREIDBERG/KZAIBURG/KRITBERG/KRITZBERG >from Russia to US.
LIEBERMAN, Austria and Romania to US.


*Read* your posting, *know* who sent what #general

MBernet@...
 

Someone recently posted a query about a family named EPPELBAUM somewhere
in Poland. I thought I'd be helpful and pointed out various alternate
name spellings to check for. Alas, I am no Newton, but since that mement
I have been showered with fruit >from every *apple tree*.

Please, folk, don't simply click the "reply" button when you think you
have something momentous to tell--make sure you know whom the original
message or inquiry actually came >from (It's there, right on the first line
of the message "In a message dated . . . xyz@klm.com writes"). Don't
simply reply to the person who signs the message.

Many of the responses I got were addressed to me personally--and so they
never reached the persdon they were intended for or the List membership.

Please, if you have info for the Appel- Eppel- or whatever -baum family,
send it to the persons who asked, not by a bystander who innocently
thought he could help. This isn't the first time it's happened to me, and
I'm sure it's happened to many other people who wanted to be helpful.

And please, remember, I know nothin at all about any APPEL- or EPPEL
family. I had originally tried to be helpful, I subsequently tried to be
polite to all who wrote to tell them they have the wrong guy. Don't
misaddress any other messages to me. I won't even bother to open them.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>


Re: 1880 census now online #general

Marty <marty@...>
 

The 1880 indexed census mentioned by Rich is wonderful.
Thanks for the heads up!

Does anyone know how to take the film number and page number returned by
the LDS index and use it to view the images on ancestry.com??

For example, I would like to see
NA Film Number T9-0875 Page Number 509A

Thanks,
Marty

--
Marty Meyers
<meyers01@comcast.net>


Rabbi Simon WEINSTEIN, Cairo, Egypt #general

Rubin and Litman <brubin@...>
 

I am looking to contact descendants of Rabbi Simon WEINSTEIN >from Cairo,
Egypt.
He had 10 or 11 children. Some of them moved to Cleveland, Ohio USA,
New London, CT, USA; London, England, France, Israel.

Please contact me privately,

Thank you.

-Bill Rubin
Arlington, MA USA
brubin@world.std.com


LESSOR - New York City, St.Louis, southern states
ROSEBERG - New York City LITMAN - Kiev, Ukarine
MYERS - London, Liverpool
Eishishok - SCHRIBER, FINESCHRIBER, SKOLNICK
Lida - CHIGOROVICH, FURMAN, GORAVICH, HOROWITZ,SCHRIBER, SKOLNICK,
WOLCHUCK

Searching list truncated at permitted six lines -- Mod.


Seeking lookup and callup in Tel Aviv #general

Steven Garber <shgarber@...>
 

Dear friends,
I just learned of a relative >from another relative who met him, once,
thirty years ago. She also met his parents in Israel. Well, I have his
and his wife's name and partial address. I'd especially like to pass on a
message to him and get his email address (as well as phone no. and zip
code).
Please reply privately to me. Thanks!

Steve Garber, of Denver
Researching:
GARBER (Staryy Chartoriysk, Ukraine)
BAR (Kolki, Ukraine (near Lutsk)). GLASER (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine)
LIFSCHES/LIFSCHITZ (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine; Israel)
ZLOCZOWER (Vizhnitsa, Vashkovtsy, Milie, Ispas, Czarnohuzy, Chernovtsy
(all formerly in North Bukovina), Ukraine; Israel, elsewhere).
CHERGER (Staryy Chartoriysk/Lutsk area, Ukraine)


Looking for TUTNAUER #general

Gelio@...
 

Thanks to all for your help; I now have a location for this family.

Jane Emanuel
Lafayette, CA
Searching SHRAGGE, SCHRAGE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen *Read* your posting, *know* who sent what #general

MBernet@...
 

Someone recently posted a query about a family named EPPELBAUM somewhere
in Poland. I thought I'd be helpful and pointed out various alternate
name spellings to check for. Alas, I am no Newton, but since that mement
I have been showered with fruit >from every *apple tree*.

Please, folk, don't simply click the "reply" button when you think you
have something momentous to tell--make sure you know whom the original
message or inquiry actually came >from (It's there, right on the first line
of the message "In a message dated . . . xyz@klm.com writes"). Don't
simply reply to the person who signs the message.

Many of the responses I got were addressed to me personally--and so they
never reached the persdon they were intended for or the List membership.

Please, if you have info for the Appel- Eppel- or whatever -baum family,
send it to the persons who asked, not by a bystander who innocently
thought he could help. This isn't the first time it's happened to me, and
I'm sure it's happened to many other people who wanted to be helpful.

And please, remember, I know nothin at all about any APPEL- or EPPEL
family. I had originally tried to be helpful, I subsequently tried to be
polite to all who wrote to tell them they have the wrong guy. Don't
misaddress any other messages to me. I won't even bother to open them.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1880 census now online #general

Marty <marty@...>
 

The 1880 indexed census mentioned by Rich is wonderful.
Thanks for the heads up!

Does anyone know how to take the film number and page number returned by
the LDS index and use it to view the images on ancestry.com??

For example, I would like to see
NA Film Number T9-0875 Page Number 509A

Thanks,
Marty

--
Marty Meyers
<meyers01@comcast.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi Simon WEINSTEIN, Cairo, Egypt #general

Rubin and Litman <brubin@...>
 

I am looking to contact descendants of Rabbi Simon WEINSTEIN >from Cairo,
Egypt.
He had 10 or 11 children. Some of them moved to Cleveland, Ohio USA,
New London, CT, USA; London, England, France, Israel.

Please contact me privately,

Thank you.

-Bill Rubin
Arlington, MA USA
brubin@world.std.com


LESSOR - New York City, St.Louis, southern states
ROSEBERG - New York City LITMAN - Kiev, Ukarine
MYERS - London, Liverpool
Eishishok - SCHRIBER, FINESCHRIBER, SKOLNICK
Lida - CHIGOROVICH, FURMAN, GORAVICH, HOROWITZ,SCHRIBER, SKOLNICK,
WOLCHUCK

Searching list truncated at permitted six lines -- Mod.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking lookup and callup in Tel Aviv #general

Steven Garber <shgarber@...>
 

Dear friends,
I just learned of a relative >from another relative who met him, once,
thirty years ago. She also met his parents in Israel. Well, I have his
and his wife's name and partial address. I'd especially like to pass on a
message to him and get his email address (as well as phone no. and zip
code).
Please reply privately to me. Thanks!

Steve Garber, of Denver
Researching:
GARBER (Staryy Chartoriysk, Ukraine)
BAR (Kolki, Ukraine (near Lutsk)). GLASER (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine)
LIFSCHES/LIFSCHITZ (Vashkovtsy, Ukraine; Israel)
ZLOCZOWER (Vizhnitsa, Vashkovtsy, Milie, Ispas, Czarnohuzy, Chernovtsy
(all formerly in North Bukovina), Ukraine; Israel, elsewhere).
CHERGER (Staryy Chartoriysk/Lutsk area, Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for TUTNAUER #general

Gelio@...
 

Thanks to all for your help; I now have a location for this family.

Jane Emanuel
Lafayette, CA
Searching SHRAGGE, SCHRAGE


Jewish Orphanages in the US Update. #general

MSpearssol@...
 

Many new additions have been added to my web site, HNOH Welcome-Jewish
Orphanages in the United States at http://shell4.bayarea.net/~elias/hnoh/

---On the Federal and State Census Page, census information has been added
for the following orphanages:

1930 Mark Nathan Home Chicago, IL
1930 Chicago Home for Jewish Children - Chicago, IL
1930 Census Orthodox Jewish Orphan Home - Cleveland, OH
1930 Census Jewish Orphan Home--Bellefaire, University Heights, OH
1930 Hebrew Home for Destitute Children- Boston, MA
1930 Census Enumeration Districts for Various Institutions - Bronx &
Manhattan, NY
1920 Hebrew Orphan's Home - Atlanta, GA
1920 Jewish Infant Orphan Home - Cleveland, OH
1920 Jewish Orphan Asylum - Cleveland Ohio
1920 Federal census in the Hebrew Sheltering Guardian Society - Mount
Pleasant, NY
1900 Chicago Home for Jewish Children - Chicago, IL
1900 Jewish Widows and Orphans Home - New Orleans, LA
1900 Hebrew Orphan Asylum - Baltimore, MD
1900 Jewish Foster Home - Cincinnati, OH

---Jewish Orphanages Page has new information for the cities of:
Baltimore, MD plus (new photo)
Boston, MA (new orphanage)
Brookline, MA (new orphanage)
Chicago, IL plus (new class photo)
San Francisco, CA

---Alumni Reunion Search Page
New searches have been listed. Someone might be looking for you!!!

__Pride of Judea Orphan Home Page has new information added.

---Orphan Archives: Records & Holding Page, free lookups added

---Jewish Genealogy Resources and Other Genealogical Resources Pages,
include new and corrected URLS. Check out over 2500 URLs connecting to
thousands more sites for researching.

Check it out! :o)

Marge-Spears Soloff
Orlando, FL
MSpearssol@aol.com
Website: HNOH Welcome - Jewish Orphanages in the United States
http://shell4.bayarea.net/~elias/hnoh/
HNOHalumni@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Orphanages in the US Update. #general

MSpearssol@...
 

Many new additions have been added to my web site, HNOH Welcome-Jewish
Orphanages in the United States at http://shell4.bayarea.net/~elias/hnoh/

---On the Federal and State Census Page, census information has been added
for the following orphanages:

1930 Mark Nathan Home Chicago, IL
1930 Chicago Home for Jewish Children - Chicago, IL
1930 Census Orthodox Jewish Orphan Home - Cleveland, OH
1930 Census Jewish Orphan Home--Bellefaire, University Heights, OH
1930 Hebrew Home for Destitute Children- Boston, MA
1930 Census Enumeration Districts for Various Institutions - Bronx &
Manhattan, NY
1920 Hebrew Orphan's Home - Atlanta, GA
1920 Jewish Infant Orphan Home - Cleveland, OH
1920 Jewish Orphan Asylum - Cleveland Ohio
1920 Federal census in the Hebrew Sheltering Guardian Society - Mount
Pleasant, NY
1900 Chicago Home for Jewish Children - Chicago, IL
1900 Jewish Widows and Orphans Home - New Orleans, LA
1900 Hebrew Orphan Asylum - Baltimore, MD
1900 Jewish Foster Home - Cincinnati, OH

---Jewish Orphanages Page has new information for the cities of:
Baltimore, MD plus (new photo)
Boston, MA (new orphanage)
Brookline, MA (new orphanage)
Chicago, IL plus (new class photo)
San Francisco, CA

---Alumni Reunion Search Page
New searches have been listed. Someone might be looking for you!!!

__Pride of Judea Orphan Home Page has new information added.

---Orphan Archives: Records & Holding Page, free lookups added

---Jewish Genealogy Resources and Other Genealogical Resources Pages,
include new and corrected URLS. Check out over 2500 URLs connecting to
thousands more sites for researching.

Check it out! :o)

Marge-Spears Soloff
Orlando, FL
MSpearssol@aol.com
Website: HNOH Welcome - Jewish Orphanages in the United States
http://shell4.bayarea.net/~elias/hnoh/
HNOHalumni@aol.com