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Re: Kamenets-Podolsk to Argentina 1903 #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Harvey Kaplan asked if someone travelling >from Rotterdam to Argentina in
1906 would have gone directly, or through the US. There certainly were
direct arrivals to Argentina (maybe after stops along the route - some
European ports plus several Brasilian ports or Montevideo in Uruguay). I
thought a couple of paragraphs I recently posted to the LatAm SIG on
arrivals to Argentina might help...

I mentioned that records for 1870-1881 are unaccounted for and that "Up to
1882, an estimated 30 to 40% of immigrants arrived through uncontrolled
river crossing, and no records ever existed. At any rate, massive Jewish
immigration began several years later... the mark being set by the arrival
of the Wesser during August 1889. [Jewish] Immigration in 1888 was estimated
in 50 persons. The Alliance Israelite Universelle helped members of 8
families reach Argentina. The estimation for 1889 is of 1000, including
hundreds on board the Wesser."

"The Wesser sailed >from Bremen. As Rob said, other ships arrived sailing
from Hamburg. But more ports were used over the decades leaving Europe for
South America. Rotterdam, Marseilles, Genoa, Trieste, Odessa to Turkey...,
Southampton, Liverpool, Cherbourg, Lisbon, Antwerp, the list goes on."

As for the indirect routes.... I contacted a researcher whose father was
marvelled with the looks of a couple who had made it to Galveston and were
visiting the old country later. They looked so rich, fine and elegant that
he decided that if he ever emigrated he wanted to go to Galveston.

When he was 15 or 16 he left on his own and reached the port (Hamburg? I do
not remember now) with his ticket fare. He asked and saw the ticket to
Buenos Aires was cheaper. So he said: "Give me a ticket to Buenos Aires".

He decided the savings would be more than enough to buy a bycicle, and pedal
to Galveston! At any rate, he later did very well.

Hope this helps!

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,GOLOMB(?)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kamenets-Podolsk to Argentina 1903 #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Harvey Kaplan asked if someone travelling >from Rotterdam to Argentina in
1906 would have gone directly, or through the US. There certainly were
direct arrivals to Argentina (maybe after stops along the route - some
European ports plus several Brasilian ports or Montevideo in Uruguay). I
thought a couple of paragraphs I recently posted to the LatAm SIG on
arrivals to Argentina might help...

I mentioned that records for 1870-1881 are unaccounted for and that "Up to
1882, an estimated 30 to 40% of immigrants arrived through uncontrolled
river crossing, and no records ever existed. At any rate, massive Jewish
immigration began several years later... the mark being set by the arrival
of the Wesser during August 1889. [Jewish] Immigration in 1888 was estimated
in 50 persons. The Alliance Israelite Universelle helped members of 8
families reach Argentina. The estimation for 1889 is of 1000, including
hundreds on board the Wesser."

"The Wesser sailed >from Bremen. As Rob said, other ships arrived sailing
from Hamburg. But more ports were used over the decades leaving Europe for
South America. Rotterdam, Marseilles, Genoa, Trieste, Odessa to Turkey...,
Southampton, Liverpool, Cherbourg, Lisbon, Antwerp, the list goes on."

As for the indirect routes.... I contacted a researcher whose father was
marvelled with the looks of a couple who had made it to Galveston and were
visiting the old country later. They looked so rich, fine and elegant that
he decided that if he ever emigrated he wanted to go to Galveston.

When he was 15 or 16 he left on his own and reached the port (Hamburg? I do
not remember now) with his ticket fare. He asked and saw the ticket to
Buenos Aires was cheaper. So he said: "Give me a ticket to Buenos Aires".

He decided the savings would be more than enough to buy a bycicle, and pedal
to Galveston! At any rate, he later did very well.

Hope this helps!

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,GOLOMB(?)


Searching GOLDMAN and SOFER-HALEVI, Pietra-Niametz, Roumania #general

Alter & Dina Ophir <alterdina@...>
 

Dear genners,
a friend of mine is searching descendants of Goldman and Sofer-Halevi
families >from Pietra-Niametz, Roumania.
They immigrated to the US at the end of the 19th century.
Alter Ophir
alterdina@ashdot-a.org.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Please encourage your friend to post this search in the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/, which will
increase the likelihood of success. It is not necessary to have an e-mail
address to register with the JGFF.


Kamenka #general

Marilyn Feingold <mrl@...>
 

Thanks to all of you who responded to my Kamenka request. My Kamenka in
Moldova on the Dneister River. I have seen close, but different, latitude
and longitude information for Kamenka. It was part of Bessarbia. It is
across the river >from Vertujeni, an agriculatural colony. Kamenka was known
for its grapes which were believed, I am told, to have curative powers for
people with TB. My grandfather travelled to surrounding towns of
Rifrivnetsa, Rezena, Wartejne, Ympela, Tulchin, Odessa, Balta and Kishinev..
thanks for any information you can add about my Kamenka. Marilyn Feingold,
Atlanta, Georgia


Kahal Records #general

Bkhait@...
 

I'd like to hear >from anyone who has successfully found and used Kahal,
Jewish community, records in their research. This is for an article that
will eventually appear in Heritage Quest magazine. Please respond privately
to bkhait@aol.com.

Barbara Khait
Somerset, NJ
bkhait@aol.com


Joyce MAGGIED eMail / BARG / Maciejow #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Woma BARG, born 1940 in Maciejow - in the Kovel area in today's NW
Ukraine - is trying to contact Joyce MAGGIED. Mails to Joyce's e-address
registered in JewishGen Family Finder bounce.

If anyone knows a working eMail address for Joyce, or her postal address,
Woma will be very grateful for the help.

If you or your family had a relation to Maciejow/ Maciejew/ Matzev.. today
known as Lukov, near Kovel, I'll be glad to forward your contact info to
Woma BARG.

I am posting a copy of this request to JewishGen's LostnFound Support Desk

Thanks in advance,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires

MODERATOR NOTE: The LostNFound Desk to which Carlos Glikson refers can be
reached at LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org. Any address listed in the JGFF
to which e-mail bounces should be reported to the LostNFound Desk.


useful databases at your library #general

James Gross <larklane@...>
 

Hello,
During the winter months, it may not be feasible for
you to venture out into the cold to do genealogy research.
You may want to look into whether online databases are
accessible via your local library. Usually these databases,
if remotely accessible outside the library, simply require
your library card barcode.
One of the more useful databases are Proquest, which
allows the researcher access to a number of newspapers
and periodicals. There appear to be several proquest
packages and you should try out the access to find out
what newspapers are accessible to you.
If you have access to your local library and county library,
I would get a library card for each of them. In Maryland
for example,residents have access to over 6 separate county
libraries in addition to many local libraries.

James H. Gross
Cherry Hill,NJ & Silver Spring,MD
email:larklane@juno.com
Gross-Steinberg Family Tree
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6721/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching GOLDMAN and SOFER-HALEVI, Pietra-Niametz, Roumania #general

Alter & Dina Ophir <alterdina@...>
 

Dear genners,
a friend of mine is searching descendants of Goldman and Sofer-Halevi
families >from Pietra-Niametz, Roumania.
They immigrated to the US at the end of the 19th century.
Alter Ophir
alterdina@ashdot-a.org.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Please encourage your friend to post this search in the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/, which will
increase the likelihood of success. It is not necessary to have an e-mail
address to register with the JGFF.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kamenka #general

Marilyn Feingold <mrl@...>
 

Thanks to all of you who responded to my Kamenka request. My Kamenka in
Moldova on the Dneister River. I have seen close, but different, latitude
and longitude information for Kamenka. It was part of Bessarbia. It is
across the river >from Vertujeni, an agriculatural colony. Kamenka was known
for its grapes which were believed, I am told, to have curative powers for
people with TB. My grandfather travelled to surrounding towns of
Rifrivnetsa, Rezena, Wartejne, Ympela, Tulchin, Odessa, Balta and Kishinev..
thanks for any information you can add about my Kamenka. Marilyn Feingold,
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kahal Records #general

Bkhait@...
 

I'd like to hear >from anyone who has successfully found and used Kahal,
Jewish community, records in their research. This is for an article that
will eventually appear in Heritage Quest magazine. Please respond privately
to bkhait@aol.com.

Barbara Khait
Somerset, NJ
bkhait@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Joyce MAGGIED eMail / BARG / Maciejow #general

Carlos Glikson
 

Woma BARG, born 1940 in Maciejow - in the Kovel area in today's NW
Ukraine - is trying to contact Joyce MAGGIED. Mails to Joyce's e-address
registered in JewishGen Family Finder bounce.

If anyone knows a working eMail address for Joyce, or her postal address,
Woma will be very grateful for the help.

If you or your family had a relation to Maciejow/ Maciejew/ Matzev.. today
known as Lukov, near Kovel, I'll be glad to forward your contact info to
Woma BARG.

I am posting a copy of this request to JewishGen's LostnFound Support Desk

Thanks in advance,

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires

MODERATOR NOTE: The LostNFound Desk to which Carlos Glikson refers can be
reached at LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org. Any address listed in the JGFF
to which e-mail bounces should be reported to the LostNFound Desk.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen useful databases at your library #general

James Gross <larklane@...>
 

Hello,
During the winter months, it may not be feasible for
you to venture out into the cold to do genealogy research.
You may want to look into whether online databases are
accessible via your local library. Usually these databases,
if remotely accessible outside the library, simply require
your library card barcode.
One of the more useful databases are Proquest, which
allows the researcher access to a number of newspapers
and periodicals. There appear to be several proquest
packages and you should try out the access to find out
what newspapers are accessible to you.
If you have access to your local library and county library,
I would get a library card for each of them. In Maryland
for example,residents have access to over 6 separate county
libraries in addition to many local libraries.

James H. Gross
Cherry Hill,NJ & Silver Spring,MD
email:larklane@juno.com
Gross-Steinberg Family Tree
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6721/


Russian shtetl named Berliner?? #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I have just been looking at cnsus data for some family members and one
person is listed as coming >from Berliner or Berlinder, Russia. Does this
make any sense to anyone? The wife is >from Libau, Latvia, and most other
members of the family that I know of so far are >from Latvia/Lithuania.
Thanks,
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian shtetl named Berliner?? #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I have just been looking at cnsus data for some family members and one
person is listed as coming >from Berliner or Berlinder, Russia. Does this
make any sense to anyone? The wife is >from Libau, Latvia, and most other
members of the family that I know of so far are >from Latvia/Lithuania.
Thanks,
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


Re: BARNETT, BERNET & FRENSDORF #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/14/2003 2:21:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
apexsa@global.co.za writes:

<< I have searched the 1881, 1901 census returns for England. I have
searched the births, deaths, marriages. I cannot seem to find any record
of the Barnett family, my husbands great grandmother's family in
England. Searching for a Lewis or a Sarah Barnett is like looking for a
needle in a haystack, there are so many of them. Either I am doing
something wrong or I have completely missed the boat. Please could
someone tell me if they have ever heard of this family.I will give a
brief synopsis of family names & what I know, or can someone guide me to
where I should be looking. >>

==BARNETT became a fairly popular nsurname among Jews in Great Britain, but
was usually not a name that was brought >from the old country. It was
commonly derived >from the "Jewish" first names
- Barukh (also Bendikt, Bernd, Bernerd
- Behr (Baer, Ber, Dov, Issachar)

Other origins may have inclluded Bernstein, Bergman, Birnbaum, Berkovitz . .
. . or any name that wasn't "English" enough.

==To save needless enquiries, my BERNET family are Levi'im, they come >from
the Bamberg area of Germany, and the name probably comes >from BEHR (which had
really nothing to do with Dov). I did live in the UK on and off 1938-1955.
There was a cousin named Joseph (Seppel) BERNErT (note the added R) who lived
in Leicester and later Hampstead Garden Suburb.

One branch of my family was named FRENSDORF, (they were also Levites); there
are some records of marriages in late 18th - early 19th centuries.

Michael Bernet,
New York


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: BARNETT, BERNET & FRENSDORF #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/14/2003 2:21:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
apexsa@global.co.za writes:

<< I have searched the 1881, 1901 census returns for England. I have
searched the births, deaths, marriages. I cannot seem to find any record
of the Barnett family, my husbands great grandmother's family in
England. Searching for a Lewis or a Sarah Barnett is like looking for a
needle in a haystack, there are so many of them. Either I am doing
something wrong or I have completely missed the boat. Please could
someone tell me if they have ever heard of this family.I will give a
brief synopsis of family names & what I know, or can someone guide me to
where I should be looking. >>

==BARNETT became a fairly popular nsurname among Jews in Great Britain, but
was usually not a name that was brought >from the old country. It was
commonly derived >from the "Jewish" first names
- Barukh (also Bendikt, Bernd, Bernerd
- Behr (Baer, Ber, Dov, Issachar)

Other origins may have inclluded Bernstein, Bergman, Birnbaum, Berkovitz . .
. . or any name that wasn't "English" enough.

==To save needless enquiries, my BERNET family are Levi'im, they come >from
the Bamberg area of Germany, and the name probably comes >from BEHR (which had
really nothing to do with Dov). I did live in the UK on and off 1938-1955.
There was a cousin named Joseph (Seppel) BERNErT (note the added R) who lived
in Leicester and later Hampstead Garden Suburb.

One branch of my family was named FRENSDORF, (they were also Levites); there
are some records of marriages in late 18th - early 19th centuries.

Michael Bernet,
New York


Barnett Family, England #general

apexsa <apexsa@...>
 

Tuesday, January 14, 2003

I need some help, please.

I have searched the 1881, 1901 census returns for England. I have
searched the births, deaths, marriages. I cannot seem to find any record
of the Barnett family, my husbands great grandmother's family in
England. Searching for a Lewis or a Sarah Barnett is like looking for a
needle in a haystack, there are so many of them. Either I am doing
something wrong or I have completely missed the boat. Please could
someone tell me if they have ever heard of this family.I will give a
brief synopsis of family names & what I know, or can someone guide me to
where I should be looking.

As far back as I know

1. Louis / Lewis BARNETT married Lea ( Selma on the Ketubah of her
daughter Sarah ) .
Children of Louis Barnett and Lea / Selma were as follows:
2 i Sadie2 ( Sarah ) born +/- 1888
Kitty2 BARNETT married ? COTTRIEL. Settled in Brighton.
3 Louis / Lewis2 Barnett

Generation 2

2. Sadie2 BARNETT (Louis 1) married Solomon FREDMAN, born in Kovno
Lithuania, son of Yehudah Zackon ( changed his name to Fredman in
England). Married 20 December 1905, United Synogogue, London. Emigrated
to Bulawayo, Zimbabwe, where they both died.
Children of Sadie2 Barnett and Solomon Fredman were as follows:
4 i Gus3
5 Norman3
6 Evelyn3
7 Olive3 born 1909

3. Louis 2 BARNETT (Lewis1) married Zilla
Children of Louis 2 Barnett and Zilla were as follows:
i Eileen3 , born in London, England; deceased in
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe. She married Sidney ASSERSON.
ii David3 . David Barnett worked in Hampstead
Heath at Marks and Spencer in the 1950's.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Shana Katz
apexsa@global.co.za


United Synagogue, London #general

apexsa <apexsa@...>
 

Tuesday, January 14, 2003

My husbands great grandparents were married at the United Synogogue,
London on December 20the 1905. Their names were Sarah Barnett and
Solomon Fredman. Other than this original copy of their Ketubah, I can
find no record of their marriage in the English Marriage records. Nor
can I find evidence of her birth ( he was >from Kovno ) nor any record of
them on the 1881 & 1901 Census.
My questions are these:
1. Does this United Synagogue / Great Synogogue still exist? If
yes, where is it and can someone give me contact details for it?
2. What records would this synagogue hold pertaining to these two
people? Would they have records of their family members if they were
members of this Synogogue, where they lived, bris records etc?

Shana Mink Katz
apexsa@global.co.za


Re: Kamenets-Podolsk to Argentina 1903 #general

Rob Weisskirch <rob_weisskirch@...>
 

Harvey,

The answer is both. There were indirect and direct roots to South America.
If she traveled via Hamburg you can check the passenger lists for 1903.
Volunteers at the FHL typically don't realize that the Hamburg lists also
contain South American ports. The ports you are looking for are Buenos
Aires or La Plata. If 1903 is indexed, you will have an easier time.

Alternatively, you can check the remaining Bremen lists on line.
http://db.genealogy.net/maus/index_en.html

Thirdly, you may contact CEMLA in Argentina (Centro de Estudios Migratorios
Latinoamericanos) which house arrival records >from 1882-1929. However, like
many archives, some are missing. You may communicate with them in English.
cemlabase@ciudad.com.ar You also might want to check Carlos Glikson's
messages in the archives which contain more specific and recent information.

Hope that helps,

Rob Weisskirch
Marina, CA
--
WEISSKIRCH, Berlin, Wisnicz, Poland, Argentina; SCHON, Berlin, Wisnicz,
Pol., Argentina; FAERMAN, Kapresht, Moldova, Argentina; HERZOG, Komjatice &
Surnany, Slovakia; DEREMBAUM, Telenescht & Kapresht, Moldova; OXRUD,
Moldova, Argentina; ROTH, GROSS, HORN, Surany, Slovakia; SPIRA, Wisnicz,
Pol.,


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Barnett Family, England #general

apexsa <apexsa@...>
 

Tuesday, January 14, 2003

I need some help, please.

I have searched the 1881, 1901 census returns for England. I have
searched the births, deaths, marriages. I cannot seem to find any record
of the Barnett family, my husbands great grandmother's family in
England. Searching for a Lewis or a Sarah Barnett is like looking for a
needle in a haystack, there are so many of them. Either I am doing
something wrong or I have completely missed the boat. Please could
someone tell me if they have ever heard of this family.I will give a
brief synopsis of family names & what I know, or can someone guide me to
where I should be looking.

As far back as I know

1. Louis / Lewis BARNETT married Lea ( Selma on the Ketubah of her
daughter Sarah ) .
Children of Louis Barnett and Lea / Selma were as follows:
2 i Sadie2 ( Sarah ) born +/- 1888
Kitty2 BARNETT married ? COTTRIEL. Settled in Brighton.
3 Louis / Lewis2 Barnett

Generation 2

2. Sadie2 BARNETT (Louis 1) married Solomon FREDMAN, born in Kovno
Lithuania, son of Yehudah Zackon ( changed his name to Fredman in
England). Married 20 December 1905, United Synogogue, London. Emigrated
to Bulawayo, Zimbabwe, where they both died.
Children of Sadie2 Barnett and Solomon Fredman were as follows:
4 i Gus3
5 Norman3
6 Evelyn3
7 Olive3 born 1909

3. Louis 2 BARNETT (Lewis1) married Zilla
Children of Louis 2 Barnett and Zilla were as follows:
i Eileen3 , born in London, England; deceased in
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe. She married Sidney ASSERSON.
ii David3 . David Barnett worked in Hampstead
Heath at Marks and Spencer in the 1950's.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Shana Katz
apexsa@global.co.za