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Re: Moses an Egyptian Name? #general

Michael McTeer <desrx@...>
 

Not that I have any idea of what I am talking about, but the Revised
English Bible has the following footnotes for Exodus 2:10: "Moses: Heb.
Mosheh", "drew: Heb ver Mashah".

Michael McTeer
desrx@mybluelight.com


Re: Jewish names #hungary

Don and Debby (Gincig) Painter <painter@...>
 

Having both Jewish and non-Jewish family, I am a bit confused by this
thread.

Many of the names I see listed as "Jewish" seem to have their origins
from the Bible. But in the bible names such as Peter, Paul, John, Mary
and even Jesus were names used during that period and were they not all
Jewish at that time? Agreeably, over time, certain names have been
synonymous with one religion or the other like those I've just
mentioned. But having said that, we must also keep in mind that some
religious groups such the Quakers and the Amish often used/use
traditional biblical names. For example, the genealogy of my
sister-in-law's family (she is not Jewish) such names as Elias/Eliaz,
Moses, Benjamin, Abraham, Daniel, and Solomon.

Then there is my Jewish family which includes "national" names from
Germany, France, Paraguay, and Poland such as Johanna, Herman, Olga,
Henri, Emilio, and Rosa. All of which came >from religious families and
never came to the US or Canada.

Keep in mind that are many reasons why a child will be named what they
are named: nationality, depth of religiousness, attitude of the time,
family, or in honor of someone outside the family who may not be Jewish.
Born into the religion, the child will be Jewish no matter what he/she
is named. To quote a famous saying: "What is in a name? A rose by
another name is still a rose."

And please, no heated responses this is just one person's personal
opinion.

Thank you,
Debby Gincig Painter


Re: Obtaining mental health records of a deceased family member #general

Jeff Hecht <jeff@...>
 

Much to my surprise, I was able to obtain similar records >from the New
York State mental hospital where my great-grandmother died in 1929
(>from dementia, probably Alzheimer's disease). I second the comment
that they can be very useful. -- Jeff Hecht

Maggie Linz wrote:


We were fortunate to learn that my husband's great-aunt had been
hospitalized for manic-depression at a psychiatric clinic in Jena,
Thueringen. I wrote and asked if her records were still available (not
really believing they could still exist)and explained we were trying to
find out the names of her husband and child, so we could learn their
fates. [clipped]

These records include letters >from family members and are a real treasure.
Although we have only had some of the documents translated so far, my
husband has learned more about his grandmother's family than he ever
learned >from his grandmother or father. I would encourage others to make
the effort to obtain such records.


"Christian Name" #general

Rachel Slansky
 

Add the confusion that "christian name" is the common English-language
term for first-name . . .
I don't think it's used much in the US; I can't remember ever hearing it
rather than "first name".
I hear it quite often, but I do must of my research in the US on
non-Jewish family members.

Rachel Slansky


Re: nomenclature "Christian name"; first name #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

I've certainly heard the term "Christian name" for given name, many
times, but it is not used as often now as in the past, at least not where
I would run across it. I am writing now, however, to suggest that the
term "given name" be used here instead of "first name". The meaning is
clearer. In some cultures, most notably Chinese, the family name is
placed, in common usage, before the given name. Although I would hazard
a guess that few, if any, Kaifeng Jews take part in this list, the term
"given name" is nonetheless more exact.

Hungarians also put the family name first, I believe. And I'd be
surprised if there were no-one of Hungarian Jewish ancestry here.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Moses an Egyptian Name? #general

Michael McTeer <desrx@...>
 

Not that I have any idea of what I am talking about, but the Revised
English Bible has the following footnotes for Exodus 2:10: "Moses: Heb.
Mosheh", "drew: Heb ver Mashah".

Michael McTeer
desrx@mybluelight.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish names #general

Don and Debby (Gincig) Painter <painter@...>
 

Having both Jewish and non-Jewish family, I am a bit confused by this
thread.

Many of the names I see listed as "Jewish" seem to have their origins
from the Bible. But in the bible names such as Peter, Paul, John, Mary
and even Jesus were names used during that period and were they not all
Jewish at that time? Agreeably, over time, certain names have been
synonymous with one religion or the other like those I've just
mentioned. But having said that, we must also keep in mind that some
religious groups such the Quakers and the Amish often used/use
traditional biblical names. For example, the genealogy of my
sister-in-law's family (she is not Jewish) such names as Elias/Eliaz,
Moses, Benjamin, Abraham, Daniel, and Solomon.

Then there is my Jewish family which includes "national" names from
Germany, France, Paraguay, and Poland such as Johanna, Herman, Olga,
Henri, Emilio, and Rosa. All of which came >from religious families and
never came to the US or Canada.

Keep in mind that are many reasons why a child will be named what they
are named: nationality, depth of religiousness, attitude of the time,
family, or in honor of someone outside the family who may not be Jewish.
Born into the religion, the child will be Jewish no matter what he/she
is named. To quote a famous saying: "What is in a name? A rose by
another name is still a rose."

And please, no heated responses this is just one person's personal
opinion.

Thank you,
Debby Gincig Painter


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Obtaining mental health records of a deceased family member #general

Jeff Hecht <jeff@...>
 

Much to my surprise, I was able to obtain similar records >from the New
York State mental hospital where my great-grandmother died in 1929
(>from dementia, probably Alzheimer's disease). I second the comment
that they can be very useful. -- Jeff Hecht

Maggie Linz wrote:


We were fortunate to learn that my husband's great-aunt had been
hospitalized for manic-depression at a psychiatric clinic in Jena,
Thueringen. I wrote and asked if her records were still available (not
really believing they could still exist)and explained we were trying to
find out the names of her husband and child, so we could learn their
fates. [clipped]

These records include letters >from family members and are a real treasure.
Although we have only had some of the documents translated so far, my
husband has learned more about his grandmother's family than he ever
learned >from his grandmother or father. I would encourage others to make
the effort to obtain such records.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Christian Name" #general

Rachel Slansky
 

Add the confusion that "christian name" is the common English-language
term for first-name . . .
I don't think it's used much in the US; I can't remember ever hearing it
rather than "first name".
I hear it quite often, but I do must of my research in the US on
non-Jewish family members.

Rachel Slansky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: nomenclature "Christian name"; first name #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

I've certainly heard the term "Christian name" for given name, many
times, but it is not used as often now as in the past, at least not where
I would run across it. I am writing now, however, to suggest that the
term "given name" be used here instead of "first name". The meaning is
clearer. In some cultures, most notably Chinese, the family name is
placed, in common usage, before the given name. Although I would hazard
a guess that few, if any, Kaifeng Jews take part in this list, the term
"given name" is nonetheless more exact.

Hungarians also put the family name first, I believe. And I'd be
surprised if there were no-one of Hungarian Jewish ancestry here.


Interesting central Europe website #general

Leslie Popelka
 

I wanted to pass on information about this excellent site:which
documents Jewish life in central and eastern Europe.
http://www.centropa.org/mainpage/main.asp. It was recently discussed
on National Public Radio.
(http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_942309.html).

Leslie Rodman Popelka
St. Louis, MO

RODMAN, Minsk, Vilna, Boston, Chicago, MORDKOV/MIKELL, Voroshilovka
(Ukraine), Chicago, BINISMAN Krasnoye (Ukraine), Chicago,
VICHNEY/VISHNICK, Kovno


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Interesting central Europe website #general

Leslie Popelka
 

I wanted to pass on information about this excellent site:which
documents Jewish life in central and eastern Europe.
http://www.centropa.org/mainpage/main.asp. It was recently discussed
on National Public Radio.
(http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_942309.html).

Leslie Rodman Popelka
St. Louis, MO

RODMAN, Minsk, Vilna, Boston, Chicago, MORDKOV/MIKELL, Voroshilovka
(Ukraine), Chicago, BINISMAN Krasnoye (Ukraine), Chicago,
VICHNEY/VISHNICK, Kovno


Mormon posthumous "conversion" of Jews #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Despite undertakings by the Mormons that Jews whose families have no Mormon
connections will not be included in the International Genealogical Index, I
was appalled to discover that my wife's late grandfather Rabbi Isaac Jacob
Super (1881 Latvia-1961 Australia) was included. He was a prominent rabbi in
Melbourne,
Australia. After correspondence with the Mormons, they removed his name.

I then decided to do a check of other Australian rabbis and found Rabbi
Joseph Abrahams (1855 England-1938 Australia), Av Beit Din in Melbourne for
several decades,
also appeared, despite the fact that he had no children, and so no
theoretical descendant might have performed a Mormon conversion ceremony
upon him. Coincidentally (or perhaps not) he lived out his retirement in the
home of Rabbi Super.

I have written to the Mormons for clarification, suggesting that random Jews
have been selected for Mormon ceremonies.

I bring this to the attention of Jewish genealogists and suggest they check
their relatives for similar situations.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: chaimjan@zahav.net.il

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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Mormon posthumous "conversion" of Jews #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Despite undertakings by the Mormons that Jews whose families have no Mormon
connections will not be included in the International Genealogical Index, I
was appalled to discover that my wife's late grandfather Rabbi Isaac Jacob
Super (1881 Latvia-1961 Australia) was included. He was a prominent rabbi in
Melbourne,
Australia. After correspondence with the Mormons, they removed his name.

I then decided to do a check of other Australian rabbis and found Rabbi
Joseph Abrahams (1855 England-1938 Australia), Av Beit Din in Melbourne for
several decades,
also appeared, despite the fact that he had no children, and so no
theoretical descendant might have performed a Mormon conversion ceremony
upon him. Coincidentally (or perhaps not) he lived out his retirement in the
home of Rabbi Super.

I have written to the Mormons for clarification, suggesting that random Jews
have been selected for Mormon ceremonies.

I bring this to the attention of Jewish genealogists and suggest they check
their relatives for similar situations.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: chaimjan@zahav.net.il

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Re: Surname SCHMAUS / SMAUS #general

Udi Cain
 

Daniel Gee asked:

A friend is seeking information about her surname which is SMAUS.
I believe her family may have hailed >from Germany whewas SCHMAUS.
One branch escaped the ward and settled in London, England.
I have checked the FTJP for this name and have found nothing.
Does this name mean anything to anyone?
Also can anyone sugges what the name may have derived from?
In my new book about Jewish families and communities in Posen province
Prussia, I quote Rabbi Dr. Aaron Heppner, who wrote about a SAMOSZ from
Kampen, and I also quote Rabbi Dr. Louis Lewin who wrote about Rabbi SAMOSZ
from Brody.
Best regards,
Udi Cain, Jerusalem.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname SCHMAUS / SMAUS #general

Udi Cain
 

Daniel Gee asked:

A friend is seeking information about her surname which is SMAUS.
I believe her family may have hailed >from Germany whewas SCHMAUS.
One branch escaped the ward and settled in London, England.
I have checked the FTJP for this name and have found nothing.
Does this name mean anything to anyone?
Also can anyone sugges what the name may have derived from?
In my new book about Jewish families and communities in Posen province
Prussia, I quote Rabbi Dr. Aaron Heppner, who wrote about a SAMOSZ from
Kampen, and I also quote Rabbi Dr. Louis Lewin who wrote about Rabbi SAMOSZ
from Brody.
Best regards,
Udi Cain, Jerusalem.


Re: Town related to SZLAJCHER #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

People were often named for the town >from which they
came-but they were named that after they left. When a
person was living in eg Szlajch, everyone was from
there so it didn't help identify this Itzig (or
whatever the first name was) >from another of the same
name. He would be Dark Itzig (and become Itzig
Schwartz or Itzig Cherney when inherited surnames were
taken-Schwartz is German/Yiddish and Cherney
Polish/Russian for dark) or Itzig Berkowitz if his
father was Ber or something else.

However, when Itzig moved to the nearby town, he was
often identified as Itzig >from Szlajch, Itzig
Szlajcher, and that might become the inherited
surname. So, if the name came >from the town, Itzig
did not live there at the time-but earlier!

My 2nd gr grandfather was Joseph Schmai, who took the
inherited surname THALHEIMER in 1810. He was from
Thalheim but lived in Unterschupf where he was known
as the guy >from Thalheim. It is very handy for me to
know where to look in an earlier time period. The
other side of my family are RUSLANDERS-which leaves
all of Russia for them to have come from.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town related to SZLAJCHER #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

People were often named for the town >from which they
came-but they were named that after they left. When a
person was living in eg Szlajch, everyone was from
there so it didn't help identify this Itzig (or
whatever the first name was) >from another of the same
name. He would be Dark Itzig (and become Itzig
Schwartz or Itzig Cherney when inherited surnames were
taken-Schwartz is German/Yiddish and Cherney
Polish/Russian for dark) or Itzig Berkowitz if his
father was Ber or something else.

However, when Itzig moved to the nearby town, he was
often identified as Itzig >from Szlajch, Itzig
Szlajcher, and that might become the inherited
surname. So, if the name came >from the town, Itzig
did not live there at the time-but earlier!

My 2nd gr grandfather was Joseph Schmai, who took the
inherited surname THALHEIMER in 1810. He was from
Thalheim but lived in Unterschupf where he was known
as the guy >from Thalheim. It is very handy for me to
know where to look in an earlier time period. The
other side of my family are RUSLANDERS-which leaves
all of Russia for them to have come from.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Re: Soski #belarus

Vcharny@...
 

Always check two possibilities:
1) simillar letter shape -
Russian letters for K is close to H (for N) in writing anrint, then SOSKI
makes SOSNI what would be (sosny) - "pines" in Russian - common name.
2) simillar pronounsiation
SOSKI - SOSHKI also a good name for a village

It is not an answer, just a direction.

Vitaly Charny


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Soski #belarus

Vcharny@...
 

Always check two possibilities:
1) simillar letter shape -
Russian letters for K is close to H (for N) in writing anrint, then SOSKI
makes SOSNI what would be (sosny) - "pines" in Russian - common name.
2) simillar pronounsiation
SOSKI - SOSHKI also a good name for a village

It is not an answer, just a direction.

Vitaly Charny