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Documentary - "Shanghai Ghetto" #general

Lisa Thompson <lisajt@...>
 

I saw this link today and thought I'd pass it a long. I hadn't heard of
this documentary and thought it might be of interest to other members of
the list.

Lisa Thompson
Columbia MO

http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50880&id=200301311453
000121799

"The new documentary ``Shanghai Ghetto''
started out as stories told by a father around a dinner table.

Harold Janklowicz's daughter, Dana, listened to his memories of
the little-known colony of Jews who sought refuge >from wartime
Europe in China. He was one of 20,000 Jews who made their home in
Shanghai >from approximately 1939 to 1946.">>

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Who's Who in American Women #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have access to the 7th Edition (1972-1973) of the book
entitled Who's Who of American Women? I need to locate this specific
edition of the book.

I tried the NY Public Library and they do not have this edition. If
anyone knows where I could find a copy please let me know.

Thank you.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Documentary - "Shanghai Ghetto" #general

Lisa Thompson <lisajt@...>
 

I saw this link today and thought I'd pass it a long. I hadn't heard of
this documentary and thought it might be of interest to other members of
the list.

Lisa Thompson
Columbia MO

http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50880&id=200301311453
000121799

"The new documentary ``Shanghai Ghetto''
started out as stories told by a father around a dinner table.

Harold Janklowicz's daughter, Dana, listened to his memories of
the little-known colony of Jews who sought refuge >from wartime
Europe in China. He was one of 20,000 Jews who made their home in
Shanghai >from approximately 1939 to 1946.">>

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the URL spreads over 2 lines, you might have to
paste the second line separately into your browser.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Who's Who in American Women #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have access to the 7th Edition (1972-1973) of the book
entitled Who's Who of American Women? I need to locate this specific
edition of the book.

I tried the NY Public Library and they do not have this edition. If
anyone knows where I could find a copy please let me know.

Thank you.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Lisa Thompson wrote:

My g-g-g'father's sister was named Jetta according to her birth
certificate, but she is enumerated in the 1880 census as Ida. I was
wondering if possibly the census taker misunderstood Jetta as "Ida" or if
Ida was a "nickname" of sorts. I have no idea how Jetta is pronounced.
The J would be pronounced as a Y.

I suspect census takers often tended to "Americanize" names, and with
even less care than would go into other types of record (after all, the
data is going to be secret, and nobody's actually going to _use_ it,
so what do I care if the census has my name wrong?). I recently found
a relative listed in the 1906 special Canadian census as "Henry", though
everywhere else AFAIK he is "Hirsch".

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Lisa Thompson wrote:

My g-g-g'father's sister was named Jetta according to her birth
certificate, but she is enumerated in the 1880 census as Ida. I was
wondering if possibly the census taker misunderstood Jetta as "Ida" or if
Ida was a "nickname" of sorts. I have no idea how Jetta is pronounced.
The J would be pronounced as a Y.

I suspect census takers often tended to "Americanize" names, and with
even less care than would go into other types of record (after all, the
data is going to be secret, and nobody's actually going to _use_ it,
so what do I care if the census has my name wrong?). I recently found
a relative listed in the 1906 special Canadian census as "Henry", though
everywhere else AFAIK he is "Hirsch".

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Lisa Thompson <lisajt@...>
 

Thank you very much for everyone's help! My g-g-g-g'father was Bohemian and
his wife was German, so it appears that they would have used the Yetta
pronunciation.

I kept thinking that name was familiar and it just clicked - my
g-g-g-g'mother's mother's name was Jette. She also had a sister named
Jette. As far as I know, neither Jette came to America, but perhaps they
referred to their child Jetta as Ida just to avoid confusion, anyway.

Lisa Thompson
Columbia, MO

Depends where. In most of Europe the J is pronounced like the Y in
English, so it would be Yetta. Yetta could, of course, chose to be called
any name she wished. Jetta was European, Ida much more "American."

Michael Bernet,
New York>>


Re: WW2 Military Records #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

Suggest you contact the Jewish War Veteran's office in Washington,DC
Phone 202-265-6280
E Mail NMAJMH@nmajmh.org

Don Hirschhorn
Boca Raton,Fl

I had an older cousin who was killed in action during WW2. I have been
unable to find a birth record for him in NYC for the year he was born,
probably due to a messed-up spelling.

Does anyone know if I could obtain his birth date, as well as date of
death and theatre of war? If so, how would one apply for this info? I
could not find anything on the VA homepage. And would the military
records also show location of birth?

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern,. PA
Samara99@comcast.net


FREUDENSTEIN/SANDERS/PRAGER #general

SOL2516171@...
 

I am related to a Carrie Freudenstein (b. ca 1868), wife of Joseph
FREUDENSTEIN, and am trying to figure out how I am related. I think she
was a first cousin of my great great grandmother Lena Fist SOLOMON (1855-
1941) through Lena's mother Babet (Yetta) LEVY FIST of Kordel and then
Soetern, Germany, and eventually St. Joseph, Missouri.

Carrie's husband Joseph had died by 1910. In 1910 she was living in El
Paso with her sons Benjamin (21), Alvin (19), daughter Hattie (16) and
nephew Ralph Sanders (8, born in Mexico). In 1920, Carrie was still
living in El Paso; in 1930 she was living in Denver with her nephew Walter
Prager (42).
In 1920, her son Benjamin Freudenstein was living in El Paso with his wife
Ethel May. In the 1930 census, Ralph Sanders was living in El Paso with
his wife Pauline and daughter Marjorie.

Can anyone provide more information about this family?

David Solomon
Chevy Chase, MD
SOL2516171@aol.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Lisa Thompson <lisajt@...>
 

Thank you very much for everyone's help! My g-g-g-g'father was Bohemian and
his wife was German, so it appears that they would have used the Yetta
pronunciation.

I kept thinking that name was familiar and it just clicked - my
g-g-g-g'mother's mother's name was Jette. She also had a sister named
Jette. As far as I know, neither Jette came to America, but perhaps they
referred to their child Jetta as Ida just to avoid confusion, anyway.

Lisa Thompson
Columbia, MO

Depends where. In most of Europe the J is pronounced like the Y in
English, so it would be Yetta. Yetta could, of course, chose to be called
any name she wished. Jetta was European, Ida much more "American."

Michael Bernet,
New York>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: WW2 Military Records #general

Sandra and Donald Hirschhorn <donsandyh@...>
 

Suggest you contact the Jewish War Veteran's office in Washington,DC
Phone 202-265-6280
E Mail NMAJMH@nmajmh.org

Don Hirschhorn
Boca Raton,Fl

I had an older cousin who was killed in action during WW2. I have been
unable to find a birth record for him in NYC for the year he was born,
probably due to a messed-up spelling.

Does anyone know if I could obtain his birth date, as well as date of
death and theatre of war? If so, how would one apply for this info? I
could not find anything on the VA homepage. And would the military
records also show location of birth?

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern,. PA
Samara99@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FREUDENSTEIN/SANDERS/PRAGER #general

SOL2516171@...
 

I am related to a Carrie Freudenstein (b. ca 1868), wife of Joseph
FREUDENSTEIN, and am trying to figure out how I am related. I think she
was a first cousin of my great great grandmother Lena Fist SOLOMON (1855-
1941) through Lena's mother Babet (Yetta) LEVY FIST of Kordel and then
Soetern, Germany, and eventually St. Joseph, Missouri.

Carrie's husband Joseph had died by 1910. In 1910 she was living in El
Paso with her sons Benjamin (21), Alvin (19), daughter Hattie (16) and
nephew Ralph Sanders (8, born in Mexico). In 1920, Carrie was still
living in El Paso; in 1930 she was living in Denver with her nephew Walter
Prager (42).
In 1920, her son Benjamin Freudenstein was living in El Paso with his wife
Ethel May. In the 1930 census, Ralph Sanders was living in El Paso with
his wife Pauline and daughter Marjorie.

Can anyone provide more information about this family?

David Solomon
Chevy Chase, MD
SOL2516171@aol.com

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Searching: BLOCH, BLOJ, BERMANT, FISH, NUSGOLTZ, NUSGOLD #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

We are posting this message on behalf of Gustavo Vignau Bloj.
The message was received in Spanish. This is the translation:


<< I am searching the surnames: BLOCH, BLOJ, NUSGOLTZ, NUSGOLD. My
grandparents were:
- Bernardo BLOCH (in Argentina it is spelled BLOJ. Son of Colman Bloch
and Rebeca FISH. He was born in Tacmak or Tockmak [Tokmak?], Russia.
- Ana NUSGOLTZ or NUSGOLD daughter of Sanson Nusgoltz / Nusgold and
Fanny BERMANT. They were Russians but my grandmother was born in
Minsk, Belarus.

They arrived in Argentina c. 1910 and joined one of the Baron Hisrch
settlements.

I would also be most grateful for any tips on where to find information
and documents.
Gustavo Vignau Bloj >>

If you can help Gustavo with his search, please reply to:
sbloch@jewishgen.org

Thank You

Susana Leistner Bloch
Project Manager
JewishGen International Desk


RE : In Paris #general

Stephane Toublanc <toublanc@...>
 

Ken Donow asks:

<< My maternal grandfather was born in Paris in 1886. He was the sons
of Polish Jews >from the Sulwak gobernia. My questions are these:

Did the Jews who entered Paris at that time have to document their
entry?
If so, how did that work? To whom would I write for a copy of the
documentation? His birth certificate indicates residence in the 4th?
Would I be writing to the Mairie? If so, for what would I be asking? >>

Before 1893 it was not always an obligation to be registered. Up 1893
every strangers had to be registered at the police of residence.

When did your g-parents arrive in France? Did they become French
citizen? If yes, you will be able to find more in their French
naturalization dossier, and before in the dossier they got to be allowed
to have their permanent residence in France, (dossier DOM, admission a
domicile). These dossiers are preserved in our National Archives.
They can be registered in some census, these census are available in the
Archives de Paris. You will find nothing in the Mairie over 100 years.

What was their profession? Accorded with profession, for some you can
also find documents, but not always.

Regards

Stephane Toublanc
Paris - France
mailto: toublanc@noos.fr

Looking for
ROSENMAN(N), Lwow, Buczacz and Tarnopol area.
MACHAUF, Krakow, Bielsko, Vienna.
BASSER, Krakow, FRIEDMAN, Krakow. WINKLER, Krakow.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: BLOCH, BLOJ, BERMANT, FISH, NUSGOLTZ, NUSGOLD #general

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

We are posting this message on behalf of Gustavo Vignau Bloj.
The message was received in Spanish. This is the translation:


<< I am searching the surnames: BLOCH, BLOJ, NUSGOLTZ, NUSGOLD. My
grandparents were:
- Bernardo BLOCH (in Argentina it is spelled BLOJ. Son of Colman Bloch
and Rebeca FISH. He was born in Tacmak or Tockmak [Tokmak?], Russia.
- Ana NUSGOLTZ or NUSGOLD daughter of Sanson Nusgoltz / Nusgold and
Fanny BERMANT. They were Russians but my grandmother was born in
Minsk, Belarus.

They arrived in Argentina c. 1910 and joined one of the Baron Hisrch
settlements.

I would also be most grateful for any tips on where to find information
and documents.
Gustavo Vignau Bloj >>

If you can help Gustavo with his search, please reply to:
sbloch@jewishgen.org

Thank You

Susana Leistner Bloch
Project Manager
JewishGen International Desk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE : In Paris #general

Stephane Toublanc <toublanc@...>
 

Ken Donow asks:

<< My maternal grandfather was born in Paris in 1886. He was the sons
of Polish Jews >from the Sulwak gobernia. My questions are these:

Did the Jews who entered Paris at that time have to document their
entry?
If so, how did that work? To whom would I write for a copy of the
documentation? His birth certificate indicates residence in the 4th?
Would I be writing to the Mairie? If so, for what would I be asking? >>

Before 1893 it was not always an obligation to be registered. Up 1893
every strangers had to be registered at the police of residence.

When did your g-parents arrive in France? Did they become French
citizen? If yes, you will be able to find more in their French
naturalization dossier, and before in the dossier they got to be allowed
to have their permanent residence in France, (dossier DOM, admission a
domicile). These dossiers are preserved in our National Archives.
They can be registered in some census, these census are available in the
Archives de Paris. You will find nothing in the Mairie over 100 years.

What was their profession? Accorded with profession, for some you can
also find documents, but not always.

Regards

Stephane Toublanc
Paris - France
mailto: toublanc@noos.fr

Looking for
ROSENMAN(N), Lwow, Buczacz and Tarnopol area.
MACHAUF, Krakow, Bielsko, Vienna.
BASSER, Krakow, FRIEDMAN, Krakow. WINKLER, Krakow.


Re: Family with surname SALMON in London #general

MBernet@...
 

DanielGee@btopenworld.com writes:

<< Do you know a family called SALMON? >>
I believe the owners of Lyons Tea and the ubiquitous Lyons Te Shops and
the Lyons Cornerhouses, were named Salmon. Obviously, by 1932, they were
quite wealthy.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: name origin: BELINFANTE #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/31/2003 4:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
elena@pipeline.com writes:

<< In the Spanish royal family (and possibly aristocratic families),
Infante/Infanta was used as a title for the younger sibling, who was not
in direct line for inhertiance. So, for example, of the five surviving
children of the Catholic Kings, the only son (and second child), Juan,
was Prince, but all his sisters were infantas, even after reaching
adulthood (until, I *believe* they married). You get a kind of
equivalent of this sort of thing in England, too: think Childe Harold.

Could it be possible for Beninfante to be some sort of echo of birth
order in a family? >>

==In Spanish or Portuguese, Infanta meant simply "female child" and
infante "male child," and in monarchic usage it means any child of the
monarch other than the heir. It would make no sense for a Jew to use the
name Ben Infante where Ben is Hebrew for child [of]. However the Hebrew
names name Ben Tov or Elem Tov were rendered in local language as Bel
Infante or Bonfils or Gutkind. Birthorder in Jewish family was indicated
only in the name Bechor, firstborn son. Childe Harold was a poem, by
Byron, I have no idea where he got it from. Byron was not known for hids
knowledge of Jewish genealogy nor for relaible veracity

==The name Coen BENINFANTE that a poster found in Italy, where the
Beninfante name is otherwise unknown, is almost certainly derived >from the
Portuguese Jewish family of Joseph Cohen-BELINFANTE who fled >from Portugal
to the Balkans and whose descendants later became merchants and Rabbis in
Amsterdam and leaders of the Jewish community of Jamaica. It is very
plausible that somewhere in the wanderings between Portugal, the Balkans
and Amsterdam, a member of the Cohen-BELINFANTE family made a stopover in
Ancona.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family with surname SALMON in London #general

MBernet@...
 

DanielGee@btopenworld.com writes:

<< Do you know a family called SALMON? >>
I believe the owners of Lyons Tea and the ubiquitous Lyons Te Shops and
the Lyons Cornerhouses, were named Salmon. Obviously, by 1932, they were
quite wealthy.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: name origin: BELINFANTE #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/31/2003 4:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
elena@pipeline.com writes:

<< In the Spanish royal family (and possibly aristocratic families),
Infante/Infanta was used as a title for the younger sibling, who was not
in direct line for inhertiance. So, for example, of the five surviving
children of the Catholic Kings, the only son (and second child), Juan,
was Prince, but all his sisters were infantas, even after reaching
adulthood (until, I *believe* they married). You get a kind of
equivalent of this sort of thing in England, too: think Childe Harold.

Could it be possible for Beninfante to be some sort of echo of birth
order in a family? >>

==In Spanish or Portuguese, Infanta meant simply "female child" and
infante "male child," and in monarchic usage it means any child of the
monarch other than the heir. It would make no sense for a Jew to use the
name Ben Infante where Ben is Hebrew for child [of]. However the Hebrew
names name Ben Tov or Elem Tov were rendered in local language as Bel
Infante or Bonfils or Gutkind. Birthorder in Jewish family was indicated
only in the name Bechor, firstborn son. Childe Harold was a poem, by
Byron, I have no idea where he got it from. Byron was not known for hids
knowledge of Jewish genealogy nor for relaible veracity

==The name Coen BENINFANTE that a poster found in Italy, where the
Beninfante name is otherwise unknown, is almost certainly derived >from the
Portuguese Jewish family of Joseph Cohen-BELINFANTE who fled >from Portugal
to the Balkans and whose descendants later became merchants and Rabbis in
Amsterdam and leaders of the Jewish community of Jamaica. It is very
plausible that somewhere in the wanderings between Portugal, the Balkans
and Amsterdam, a member of the Cohen-BELINFANTE family made a stopover in
Ancona.

Michael Bernet, New York