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Name registers #galicia

Suzan & Ron Wynne <srwynne@...>
 

I spent years looking for name registers in Poland without success. I had
hoped that when we finally had access to the Lviv Archives, there they would
be. So far, it doesn't appear that they are there either. Several years
ago, an active Galicia researcher contacted the Austrian government to
inquire whether perhaps the registers were stored in Austria, along with the
missing census registers. The Austrian government response, as I recall,
was clearer for the census registers than the name registers but the bottom
line seemed to be the same: they weren't kept. In the case of the census
registers, the law provided for the registers to be destroyed after the
results were tabulated. And, it appears, most were. Census registers were
kept by a small number of local administrative offices but the vast majority
were apparently destroyed. And, to my knowledge, no one has ever found a
name register so it appears that they, too, were probably destroyed. How
sad for us all.

However, with respect to the name registers, it is doubtful that the name
registers would have been all that helpful in learning what the previous
surname had been since the vast majority of Galician Jews used patronymics
and matronymics (as in Moshe Abramowicz). This differs >from the name
registers in the German lands that provided the previous surname with the
name CHANGE. I've used those registers extensively and found them to be
extremely helpful but in Galicia, it wasn't a matter of a name change, but
simple adoption of a surname. People who already had a surname did not have
to adopt a new one unless the name violated the approved list. The name had
to be based in the German language unless the individual already had a
recognized surname based in another language. A relatively small number of
rabbinic families had long used surnames and they were permitted to keep
those names, which is an important reason why it is relatively easy to trace
these families today. Also, any family with a fixed Polish/Slavic surname
such as Jacobowicz was permitted to retain that name. The original law
listed some prohibitions but I do not clearly remember what they were.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Name registers #galicia

Suzan & Ron Wynne <srwynne@...>
 

I spent years looking for name registers in Poland without success. I had
hoped that when we finally had access to the Lviv Archives, there they would
be. So far, it doesn't appear that they are there either. Several years
ago, an active Galicia researcher contacted the Austrian government to
inquire whether perhaps the registers were stored in Austria, along with the
missing census registers. The Austrian government response, as I recall,
was clearer for the census registers than the name registers but the bottom
line seemed to be the same: they weren't kept. In the case of the census
registers, the law provided for the registers to be destroyed after the
results were tabulated. And, it appears, most were. Census registers were
kept by a small number of local administrative offices but the vast majority
were apparently destroyed. And, to my knowledge, no one has ever found a
name register so it appears that they, too, were probably destroyed. How
sad for us all.

However, with respect to the name registers, it is doubtful that the name
registers would have been all that helpful in learning what the previous
surname had been since the vast majority of Galician Jews used patronymics
and matronymics (as in Moshe Abramowicz). This differs >from the name
registers in the German lands that provided the previous surname with the
name CHANGE. I've used those registers extensively and found them to be
extremely helpful but in Galicia, it wasn't a matter of a name change, but
simple adoption of a surname. People who already had a surname did not have
to adopt a new one unless the name violated the approved list. The name had
to be based in the German language unless the individual already had a
recognized surname based in another language. A relatively small number of
rabbinic families had long used surnames and they were permitted to keep
those names, which is an important reason why it is relatively easy to trace
these families today. Also, any family with a fixed Polish/Slavic surname
such as Jacobowicz was permitted to retain that name. The original law
listed some prohibitions but I do not clearly remember what they were.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


Re: Dear Friends From Rafi Guber - Today on Oprah #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

It was just by chance that my wife was home and turned on Oprah's
show. I was able to watch the entire show, which included live
discussions with Billy Crystal and Maya Angelou as well as videos
of the Crystal and Angelou exhibits. The show was just
"marvelous" as Billy Crystal would say. What a great promotion
for genealogy, in general, and Jewish and African American
genealogy in particular.

Kudos to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Museum of Tolerance,
Rafi Guber and everyone involved in this undertaking. I cannot
wait to get to Los Angeles and see this exhibit first hand.

Jewish genealogy is growing as we all know, but the merger of
JewishGen with the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York and this
major permanent exhibit at the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles
raises the visibility of this great pastime to the Jewish
community in the US and across the world. We should take
advantage of this opportunity to promote Jewish genealogy in our
own communities.

Mark Halpern
West Conshohocken, PA, USA
President, JGS of Greater Philadelphia

[MODERATOR NOTE: In anticipation of a lively discussion of this wonderful
exposure for Jewish Genealogy in general, may we ask that further comments
and discussion be directed to the general discussion group at
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org ]


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Dear Friends From Rafi Guber - Today on Oprah #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

It was just by chance that my wife was home and turned on Oprah's
show. I was able to watch the entire show, which included live
discussions with Billy Crystal and Maya Angelou as well as videos
of the Crystal and Angelou exhibits. The show was just
"marvelous" as Billy Crystal would say. What a great promotion
for genealogy, in general, and Jewish and African American
genealogy in particular.

Kudos to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Museum of Tolerance,
Rafi Guber and everyone involved in this undertaking. I cannot
wait to get to Los Angeles and see this exhibit first hand.

Jewish genealogy is growing as we all know, but the merger of
JewishGen with the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York and this
major permanent exhibit at the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles
raises the visibility of this great pastime to the Jewish
community in the US and across the world. We should take
advantage of this opportunity to promote Jewish genealogy in our
own communities.

Mark Halpern
West Conshohocken, PA, USA
President, JGS of Greater Philadelphia

[MODERATOR NOTE: In anticipation of a lively discussion of this wonderful
exposure for Jewish Genealogy in general, may we ask that further comments
and discussion be directed to the general discussion group at
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org ]


Small Request #latvia

Eric and Paula Benjaminson <oregon81@...>
 

Hello all,

I wonder if anyone out there might have a copy of:

MOSER, GERALDINE, and MARLENE SILVERMAN. Hamburg Passengers >from the Kingdom
of Poland and the Russian Empire, Indirect Passage to New York: 1855 - June,
1873. Washington, DC: Landsmen Press, 1996.

If so and if you could kindly help me with one specific lookup, please
e-mail me privately!

Many thanks --

Eric Benjaminson
Brussels, Belgium
oregon81@yahoo.com

Researching:

BENJAMINSOHN, Goldingen, Hasenpoth, and Libau, Latvia
NURICK, Goldingen, Latvia
GALINSON/GHALYENSON, Slutsk, Belarus
OSTROWSKY/OSTROVSKY, Slutsk, Belarus
MINTUS, Warta, Poland


Latvia SIG #Latvia Small Request #latvia

Eric and Paula Benjaminson <oregon81@...>
 

Hello all,

I wonder if anyone out there might have a copy of:

MOSER, GERALDINE, and MARLENE SILVERMAN. Hamburg Passengers >from the Kingdom
of Poland and the Russian Empire, Indirect Passage to New York: 1855 - June,
1873. Washington, DC: Landsmen Press, 1996.

If so and if you could kindly help me with one specific lookup, please
e-mail me privately!

Many thanks --

Eric Benjaminson
Brussels, Belgium
oregon81@yahoo.com

Researching:

BENJAMINSOHN, Goldingen, Hasenpoth, and Libau, Latvia
NURICK, Goldingen, Latvia
GALINSON/GHALYENSON, Slutsk, Belarus
OSTROWSKY/OSTROVSKY, Slutsk, Belarus
MINTUS, Warta, Poland


Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

<MBernet@aol.com> wrote

<< My g-g-g'father's sister was named Jetta according to her birth
certificate, but she is enumerated in the 1880 census as Ida. I was
wondering if possibly the census taker misunderstood Jetta as "Ida" or
if Ida was a "nickname" of sorts. I have no idea how Jetta is
pronounced. >>

Depends where. In most of Europe the J is pronounced like the Y in
English, so it would be Yetta. Yetta could, of course, chose to be
called any name she wished. Jetta was European, Ida much more "American."

Michael Bernet,
New York
Ida is an abbreviation of Idalia. A very common Jewish name in past Eastern
Europe. My Mom in law z'l was Idalia (Ida) a feminine version of Judah
(Yudl, Yiddele)

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Re: A city in Ukraine: Zetoma? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Daniel Kazez"wrote


I have come across a city in Ukraine that I cannot identify. It looks
like Zetoma to me: but where is this?
snip <
Can anyone help me read this town name?

Dan

Zhitomir, Ukraine
==
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

<MBernet@aol.com> wrote

<< My g-g-g'father's sister was named Jetta according to her birth
certificate, but she is enumerated in the 1880 census as Ida. I was
wondering if possibly the census taker misunderstood Jetta as "Ida" or
if Ida was a "nickname" of sorts. I have no idea how Jetta is
pronounced. >>

Depends where. In most of Europe the J is pronounced like the Y in
English, so it would be Yetta. Yetta could, of course, chose to be
called any name she wished. Jetta was European, Ida much more "American."

Michael Bernet,
New York
Ida is an abbreviation of Idalia. A very common Jewish name in past Eastern
Europe. My Mom in law z'l was Idalia (Ida) a feminine version of Judah
(Yudl, Yiddele)

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A city in Ukraine: Zetoma? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Daniel Kazez"wrote


I have come across a city in Ukraine that I cannot identify. It looks
like Zetoma to me: but where is this?
snip <
Can anyone help me read this town name?

Dan

Zhitomir, Ukraine
==
Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Re: Jewish life in Eastern Europe photo catalog available online #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

In case it is of interest, there are more than 2500 cities listed at the web
site that Reeva Kimble mentions below (http://yivo1000towns.cjh.org):

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/0201.Cities.html

A catalog of 17,000 photos of Jewish life in Eastern Europe is available
online. Based on photos in the archives of the YIVO Institute for Jewish
Research, "People of a Thousand Towns" provides a visual record of
thousands of pre-World War II Jewish communities. The pictures span the
late 19th century to the early 1940s and document the lives of large
Jewish centers, small towns and villages. In some cases, the pictures in
the YIVO archives are the only known photographic traces of communities
later wiped out by the Nazis. The photos are available at
http://yivo1000towns.cjh.org.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland (Czestochowa-Przyrow-Mstow-Janow-Plawno-Radomsko-Piotrkow-Zgierz-
Lodz)
Ukraine (Zaslav-Mikolayev-Krasilov-Medvedovka-Proskurov-Mogilev)
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/fam-ent/


Re: A city in Ukraine: Zetoma? #general

Carlos Glikson
 

As to Dan Kazez, the images read "Zetoma" to me. Perhaps Dan's "Zetoma" in
Ukraine is

Zytomyr (MapQuest spelling) or
Jitomir / Shitomir / Zhitomir / Zhytomyr (Bogunskiy Rayon) (according to
ShtetlSeeker),
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm
82.5 miles W of Kiev and not precisely close to the area of Belarus'
Saslav.

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Who's Who of American Womenm #general

Martha R. Gore <ladybugmrg@...>
 

You may be able to find it at a university library in the reference
section or in special collections.

Martha
Tucson, AZ


Does anyone have access to the 7th Edition (1972-1973) of the book
entitled Who's Who of American Women? I need to locate this specific
edition of the book.

I tried the NY Public Library and they do not have this edition. If
anyone knows where I could find a copy please let me know.>>
Thank you.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish life in Eastern Europe photo catalog available online #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

In case it is of interest, there are more than 2500 cities listed at the web
site that Reeva Kimble mentions below (http://yivo1000towns.cjh.org):

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/0201.Cities.html

A catalog of 17,000 photos of Jewish life in Eastern Europe is available
online. Based on photos in the archives of the YIVO Institute for Jewish
Research, "People of a Thousand Towns" provides a visual record of
thousands of pre-World War II Jewish communities. The pictures span the
late 19th century to the early 1940s and document the lives of large
Jewish centers, small towns and villages. In some cases, the pictures in
the YIVO archives are the only known photographic traces of communities
later wiped out by the Nazis. The photos are available at
http://yivo1000towns.cjh.org.

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland (Czestochowa-Przyrow-Mstow-Janow-Plawno-Radomsko-Piotrkow-Zgierz-
Lodz)
Ukraine (Zaslav-Mikolayev-Krasilov-Medvedovka-Proskurov-Mogilev)
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/fam-ent/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A city in Ukraine: Zetoma? #general

Carlos Glikson
 

As to Dan Kazez, the images read "Zetoma" to me. Perhaps Dan's "Zetoma" in
Ukraine is

Zytomyr (MapQuest spelling) or
Jitomir / Shitomir / Zhitomir / Zhytomyr (Bogunskiy Rayon) (according to
ShtetlSeeker),
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm
82.5 miles W of Kiev and not precisely close to the area of Belarus'
Saslav.

Carlos Glikson
Buenos Aires, Argentina


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Who's Who of American Womenm #general

Martha R. Gore <ladybugmrg@...>
 

You may be able to find it at a university library in the reference
section or in special collections.

Martha
Tucson, AZ


Does anyone have access to the 7th Edition (1972-1973) of the book
entitled Who's Who of American Women? I need to locate this specific
edition of the book.

I tried the NY Public Library and they do not have this edition. If
anyone knows where I could find a copy please let me know.>>
Thank you.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


BLUMBERG - South Africa #general

Saul W. Issroff <shaul@...>
 

You should look at the SA SIG web site www.jewishgen.org/Safrica.
Also subscribe to the SA SIG Discussion group and post this message there.
Details are on Jewishgen's main web site.

Saul Issroff
< Shaul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk >

South Africa: BLUMBERG
From: Aejordan@aol.com
How might I go about starting to locate a family in South Africa?

All I know is that Abraham BLUMBERG and wife Brian had a son who
immigrated circa 1900 >from Courland to South Africa.


Re: Revision and Family Lists - Novy Gorod, Vilna #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

I used to work in a hospital research building. One day, an old lady and
her granddaughter came in on their way >from the parking lot to the hospital
because the old lady was having trouble breathing-nothing major, they just
sat down. The old lady had had surgery the year before, yada, yada, yada.

It turned out the old lady was not the grandmother but the mother of the 18
year old driver, and that she was my age-then 42. I was shocked as she
didn't look within a generation of my age.

The moral of the story is that people look older or younger than their
chronological age. And where there are no records or records are made
according to what one person thinks, a middle aged woman could be recorded
as being in her 70's (she was dead after all, which doesn't do anything for
your looks). Think of the 125 year old people living in (fill in the
blank) Georgia or Uzbekistan where there are no records-do you really
believe yoghurt will do that-no, the people only look that old. You have
good reason to believe that your ancestor was not as old as recorded-her
first kid at 40 (and what was the last kid-at age 60?).

Even when we can get records for people, they often turn out to have been
several years older or younger than what they thought (not counting the
fact that I am now 28 years old). Before drivers' licences and such, many
people didn't know their age and didn't know their birthday-many
immigrants made up a birthday when they were asked by some clerk in Social
Security-and they became older so they could collect sooner. What they
said in 1930 stuck because Social Security had the 'official truth'.

This is also why we don't believe any record other than a primary record,
that is one made at the time of the event-a birth record for a birth year
in this case. And Russian records were not complete.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Where I Kromov/Kromovsk? #general

Robert & Ena Jacobs <enabob@...>
 

Hello Genners:
I am seeking the location of Kromov/Kromovsk-
is this possibly in Poland? I cannot find it on Shtetl Seekers/
Map Quest or in my Historical books/maps. This town/shtetl or ?
appears on a Russian Cyrillic Birth Certifcate I have just retrieved.
Any direction would be greatly appreciated.
Ena JACOBS
San Pedro, California
Born in London, England
EnaBob@worldnet.att.ne

Researching: SCHWALBE/POPERT/PONERT - Kalisz/Poland
FESTENSTEIN - Marijampole, Lith & Poltava, Ukraine
DENTON - Anywhere in South africa
SEGAL/LEVY - Marijampole, Lithuania


AVOTAYNU's Consolidated Jewish Surname Index, #general

martha <martha@...>
 

On Avotaynu's Consolidated Jewish Surname Index,
http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-home.html I found a family member
mentioned in:

Index to State Department records found in the U.S. National Archives
containing Jewish names in the section on protection of interests of
U.S. citizens in Russia (3,104 surnames). 5,000 records. Microfiche

Is anyone familiar with these microfiche? Where can I look at the
microfiche, or better yet, where can I find the actual documents, if
the microfiche is only an index?

Many thanks in advance! Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, Israel