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ZARCHIN/ZARKHIN #belarus

waldingerz <epic@...>
 

I am using both surname books published by Alexander Bieder which list
ZARCHIN in Poland and ZARCHIN/ZARKHIN in Russia and that these names are
deiived >from different paths. I know for a fact that these two names are
from the same family.
I used pre-WWI maps to note that Riga and Warsaw were inside Russia at that
time.

My question is that I know my family is >from Minsk->Bobroisk->outlying
shteltlach, so how was it possible for my g-g-father to travel to Warsaw for
a passport and my g-father to Riga when I have hard documentation that they
were >from the above mentioned area?

Also, ZARCHIN is turning up in Polish records according to JRI-Poland.

Any thoughts?

Amy Waldinger

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Belarus SIG #Belarus ZARCHIN/ZARKHIN #belarus

waldingerz <epic@...>
 

I am using both surname books published by Alexander Bieder which list
ZARCHIN in Poland and ZARCHIN/ZARKHIN in Russia and that these names are
deiived >from different paths. I know for a fact that these two names are
from the same family.
I used pre-WWI maps to note that Riga and Warsaw were inside Russia at that
time.

My question is that I know my family is >from Minsk->Bobroisk->outlying
shteltlach, so how was it possible for my g-g-father to travel to Warsaw for
a passport and my g-father to Riga when I have hard documentation that they
were >from the above mentioned area?

Also, ZARCHIN is turning up in Polish records according to JRI-Poland.

Any thoughts?

Amy Waldinger

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Photo for ID at Viewmate - Any help appreciated #romania

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

A group photo >from the 1920s (or even before WW 1) is at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html It is number VM2119.

If you know any of these happy people, it would be a help - possibly
for both of us! Many thanks.

Michelle Frager - Metro NYC
= Belarus: FRAKT, WOLFSON, DINABURSKY, LIFSHITZ
= Ukraine & Romania: TRIEGER/FRAGER, SEROTA, ZEKTZER, SHWAISBERG,
BASSUK


Romania SIG #Romania Photo for ID at Viewmate - Any help appreciated #romania

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

A group photo >from the 1920s (or even before WW 1) is at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html It is number VM2119.

If you know any of these happy people, it would be a help - possibly
for both of us! Many thanks.

Michelle Frager - Metro NYC
= Belarus: FRAKT, WOLFSON, DINABURSKY, LIFSHITZ
= Ukraine & Romania: TRIEGER/FRAGER, SEROTA, ZEKTZER, SHWAISBERG,
BASSUK


Ida and Judith as Jewish women's names #general

Jrbaston
 

My mother was given the name Itka when she was born in Nur, Poland in 1903.
After she came to the US in 1913, her name was Americanized to Ida.

I am sure she had no idea that Ida derived >from the name Judith, as she told
me that when I was born in 1944 I was given the name Judith "in memory of
all the Jewish people" since there was no conclusive proof at that time that
my father's parents Eli and Ethel had been murdered in the Holocaust.

Judy Baston
San Francisco, CA


Re: Origin of Ida - How about Clementine? #general

CharlesPottins
 

How about Jaffa?
Only joking.
Or maybe they just liked the song?

Charlie Pottins


Pessia - possible versions (just guessing) #general

CharlesPottins
 

Petra? (bit modern perhaps)

Phyllis?

Patience?

or even Bessie?

or Priscilla?

Charlie Pottins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ida and Judith as Jewish women's names #general

Jrbaston
 

My mother was given the name Itka when she was born in Nur, Poland in 1903.
After she came to the US in 1913, her name was Americanized to Ida.

I am sure she had no idea that Ida derived >from the name Judith, as she told
me that when I was born in 1944 I was given the name Judith "in memory of
all the Jewish people" since there was no conclusive proof at that time that
my father's parents Eli and Ethel had been murdered in the Holocaust.

Judy Baston
San Francisco, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of Ida - How about Clementine? #general

CharlesPottins
 

How about Jaffa?
Only joking.
Or maybe they just liked the song?

Charlie Pottins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pessia - possible versions (just guessing) #general

CharlesPottins
 

Petra? (bit modern perhaps)

Phyllis?

Patience?

or even Bessie?

or Priscilla?

Charlie Pottins


Re: Seeemingly un-Jewish names and "Christian" names #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlespottins@aol.com writes:

<< except in Lancaster where folk ask "What do
they call you?", or possibly even "what do they call thee?" >>
==and in Tyneside it's "watchecollier"--which was the first phrase I puzzled
over when I first came to UK at age 8. Eventually I figured it out by
asking (german spelling) "Ju min wots mei naem?"

Of course "public school" is understodd otherwise in the USA

I think we had dinner at noon and supper in the evening; some of my friends
"ate" tea and others high tea. I knew there was a difference but never
figured it out..

Michael Bernet

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Re: Jewish names #hungary

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:06:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlespottins@aol.com writes:

<< And does anyone have a guess as to why we have so many Jeffrey or
Geofreys? >>
==I'd guess Jeremiah, though it's not all that popular as a Hebrew name
either. Christians view it as the name of a doomsayer and scold.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Introduction to my family searches--alternate name forms worth searching #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
julibill@mweb.co.za writes:

<< Desperately searching for: - Zallel or Callel SCHAPIRA (SHAPIRA, SZAPIRA)
==That first name, in full, would have been Betzallel

. Her parents Aron & Caja
==Look for Chaya or Haya

And a son Mendel
==Look for Menachem, Emanuel or Emil

Charles / Chaskel
==Look for Yechezkiel or Izechiel

Moses/Morris who married Mary LIVINGSTONE
==Try Loewnstein or Lewenstein

Deceased children: Herz/Hersh.
==Try also Naftali, Zvi, Hirsh, Cerf

Michael Bernet, New York


names #general

Lalita Claff <lalita@...>
 

Hi All
Yes an interesting discussion.
I grew up having a traditional and orthodox (although not frum) childhood
in Manchester (England).

I was given the name 'Lesley' after my grandfather 'Louis' (they could have
called me Louise which I would have preferred but maybe they considered
that was too far away >from being Jewish).

The names in my family flummoxed me - definitely not traditional Jewish
names and I felt a bit put out.
My father's name was Edward - he was named after King Edward who died just
as he was born. My uncle was John - another name I did not associate with
Jewish names. My other uncle was Jack who died when I was little and my
brother was named after him.

What I understood >from an early age was that we had these street names -
but we also had Jewish names which we made very aware of and these seemed
to me to be our 'real names'.

Something that interested me hugely was when I ordered "The World Book of
Claffs" years ago - and found that there were only seventeen families of
Claffs in the book. I had already spoken with Mark Claff (I think it was
Mark) in Boston and knew that of these, two were 'Lesleys' (I later found
out that three are Lesleys).

I was never comfortable with a 'Christian name' and felt my Jewish name
(Laikee) was a fake (I found out last year that it was kosher) and so took
on a Hebrew name when I was thirteen, madly Zionist (and naturalised
Australian). I now have two names - my passport says Lesley, my children's
birth certificates say 'Liora' and now I spell it 'Leora' because my
husband likes that spelling better.

Heaven help any descendants who try to work out the riddle.
Cheers
Leora Claff


Re: Jewish names #hungary

Robert Fraser <rwfgjf@...>
 

There was a similar situation in Wales, and maybe also elsehere in the
United Kingdom.
Nearly all the chapels (now sadly mostly demolished or redeveloped) had
"Jewish" or "Israeli" sounding names. Names like Elim, Sinai, Ebenezer,
Penuel, Salem, Zoar, Horeb, Bethlehem and Shiloh were common.

No wonder Jewish migrants felt at home in Wales.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
rwfgjf@iinet.net.au

-----Original Message-----
From: CharlesPottins [mailto:charlespottins@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:41 PM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Jewish names
This reminds me that when a kid I was taken past the old Victorian textile
warehouses in the centre of Manchester, and looking up at the old merchants'
names, asked my mother if they were all Jewish - they had 'Christian Names'
like Isaac, Jeremiah, Hezekiah etc! So my mum had to explain how Victorian
Nonconformists loved their Bible.
snip>>>>>>>>>>>>


Re: Pronunciation of Jetta? #general

Haakon Chevalier <haakon.chevalierAntiSpam.1994@...>
 

Hi, Lisa.

I don't really have anything to add, except that you might find it
interesting to hear some similar names >from a similar background.

I have a couple of people named Jetty in my family, which I suspect is a
variation of the same name. One was Bohemian, and also called Jenny here;
the other was a second generation Bavarian-American born in Colorado, who
perhaps was also known as Henrietta, although this is not yet certain.

Haakon Chevalier

Lisa Thompson wrote:

Thank you very much for everyone's help! My g-g-g-g'father was Bohemian
and his wife was German, so it appears that they would have used the Yetta
pronunciation.

I kept thinking that name was familiar and it just clicked - my
g-g-g-g'mother's mother's name was Jette. She also had a sister named
Jette. As far as I know, neither Jette came to America, but perhaps they
referred to their child Jetta as Ida just to avoid confusion, anyway.
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Re: Origin of Ida, a woman's personal name #general

ROBERT WEISS
 

In a message dated 2/3/2003 1:00:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Prof. G. L.
Esterson writes:

In books of Hilchot Gitin (Jewish divorce law), the name Ida was either
not mentioned at all as being used for Jewish women, or it was specified
to be the German secular name IDA and was given special treatment -- it
was to be written in the Get in Hebrew characters (>from right to
left: alef-yod-daled-alef) and was considered to be a secular kinui for
whatever Hebrew name the woman had.
And to take that spelling one step further, my grandmother's secular
marriage certificate (City and State of New York 1902) spells her name
"Aida", a direct transliteration of the Hebrew spelling, but not the same as
the way the family spelled her name in later years (Ida).

Just an idle side thought: Is the Italien name Aida (of opera fame) related
to the German/Jewish name with the same spelling?

Bob Weiss
Northridge, CA

Researching: KWATKOWSKY or PLOTKOWSKY >from Suwalki area--possibly Augustow,
Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Seeemingly un-Jewish names and "Christian" names #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlespottins@aol.com writes:

<< except in Lancaster where folk ask "What do
they call you?", or possibly even "what do they call thee?" >>
==and in Tyneside it's "watchecollier"--which was the first phrase I puzzled
over when I first came to UK at age 8. Eventually I figured it out by
asking (german spelling) "Ju min wots mei naem?"

Of course "public school" is understodd otherwise in the USA

I think we had dinner at noon and supper in the evening; some of my friends
"ate" tea and others high tea. I knew there was a difference but never
figured it out..

Michael Bernet

MODERATOR NOTE: This thread is drifting away >from genealogy. Please send
non-genealogical comments privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish names #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:06:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlespottins@aol.com writes:

<< And does anyone have a guess as to why we have so many Jeffrey or
Geofreys? >>
==I'd guess Jeremiah, though it's not all that popular as a Hebrew name
either. Christians view it as the name of a doomsayer and scold.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Introduction to my family searches--alternate name forms worth searching #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/2/2003 5:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
julibill@mweb.co.za writes:

<< Desperately searching for: - Zallel or Callel SCHAPIRA (SHAPIRA, SZAPIRA)
==That first name, in full, would have been Betzallel

. Her parents Aron & Caja
==Look for Chaya or Haya

And a son Mendel
==Look for Menachem, Emanuel or Emil

Charles / Chaskel
==Look for Yechezkiel or Izechiel

Moses/Morris who married Mary LIVINGSTONE
==Try Loewnstein or Lewenstein

Deceased children: Herz/Hersh.
==Try also Naftali, Zvi, Hirsh, Cerf

Michael Bernet, New York