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Polyah #general

משה פלבר
 

In Feb 6th Didest there are refferences to the above.


Our 1st PM David Ben Gurion wrote to Paula, his then-American wife-to-be,
during WWI in Hebrew as "My Dear Polya" - as can be seen >from his published
biographies/letters

Moshe Felber
Jerusalem
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polyah #general

משה פלבר
 

In Feb 6th Didest there are refferences to the above.


Our 1st PM David Ben Gurion wrote to Paula, his then-American wife-to-be,
during WWI in Hebrew as "My Dear Polya" - as can be seen >from his published
biographies/letters

Moshe Felber
Jerusalem
Shmuel Avigdor Tosefa #rabbinic

rosinskyb
 

Hi

I wanted to update on my research on this "Karliner" rabbi. I have
concluded that I have no direct connection to him. Here is what I
found.

All the information was taken >from his books: Chidushe Halachot
on Pesach, Sheilat Shmuel, Sheerit Hapleta and Tosefta (1837). In
addition I looked at Gevurot Haari on the EPSTEIN family of Horodno
(is this the same as Grodno? g and h interchangable) born to his
father Avraham in Slonim (when?) his brother Nisan Yechiel had a
son Yosef.

S.A had 4 children:

1. Yosef Zvi
2. Yehoshua Aryeh Leib. had 2 sons: Benyamin Aharon and Moshe Chaim.
Benyamin Aharon married Freuda daughter of Zvi Hirsh and Maryusha
POMERANZ. (Two other daughters of POMERANZ married Shimshon
POCHACHEVSKI and Yosef KOSOVSKI.) Benyamin Aharon mentions his
uncle, aunt and cousin, Itzchak Isac EISENBERG and his wife and
daughter Meita and Chaya Rivka. How exactly are they related to
him I couldn't tell.
3. A daughter who married Mordechai Leib SOLOVEITCHIK of Karlin.
4. A daughter who married Noach Eliyahu HACOHEN-SHAPIRA of Minsk.

Shmuel Avigdor is a descendant of the EPSTEIN family, his father
is the son of Chaya daughter of Rivka (and Aryeh Leib b. Shmuel),
daughter of Zeev Wolf EPSTEIN son of Mordechai VILNER-EPSTEIN son
of Yehoshua EPSTEIN of Vilna.

Hope this can help. I think the main thing I've added is the family
name of Shmuel Avigdor's s-i-l Mordechai Leib: SOLOVEITCHIK.

Bernard Rosinsky
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Shmuel Avigdor Tosefa #rabbinic

rosinskyb
 

Hi

I wanted to update on my research on this "Karliner" rabbi. I have
concluded that I have no direct connection to him. Here is what I
found.

All the information was taken >from his books: Chidushe Halachot
on Pesach, Sheilat Shmuel, Sheerit Hapleta and Tosefta (1837). In
addition I looked at Gevurot Haari on the EPSTEIN family of Horodno
(is this the same as Grodno? g and h interchangable) born to his
father Avraham in Slonim (when?) his brother Nisan Yechiel had a
son Yosef.

S.A had 4 children:

1. Yosef Zvi
2. Yehoshua Aryeh Leib. had 2 sons: Benyamin Aharon and Moshe Chaim.
Benyamin Aharon married Freuda daughter of Zvi Hirsh and Maryusha
POMERANZ. (Two other daughters of POMERANZ married Shimshon
POCHACHEVSKI and Yosef KOSOVSKI.) Benyamin Aharon mentions his
uncle, aunt and cousin, Itzchak Isac EISENBERG and his wife and
daughter Meita and Chaya Rivka. How exactly are they related to
him I couldn't tell.
3. A daughter who married Mordechai Leib SOLOVEITCHIK of Karlin.
4. A daughter who married Noach Eliyahu HACOHEN-SHAPIRA of Minsk.

Shmuel Avigdor is a descendant of the EPSTEIN family, his father
is the son of Chaya daughter of Rivka (and Aryeh Leib b. Shmuel),
daughter of Zeev Wolf EPSTEIN son of Mordechai VILNER-EPSTEIN son
of Yehoshua EPSTEIN of Vilna.

Hope this can help. I think the main thing I've added is the family
name of Shmuel Avigdor's s-i-l Mordechai Leib: SOLOVEITCHIK.

Bernard Rosinsky
Naturalisation papers #unitedkingdom

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I received the naturalisation papers for my
grandfather dated April 1912 and he and his 5 sons
appear on the papers but not my grandmother - who was
his wife until 1936 when he died. Can you give me any
explanation why she didnt appear on these papers?

They were married in 1896 (when she was approx. 18)
and I believe her father took out naturalisation
papers in 1903/4 - am waiting for PRO to confirm this.
So her father wouldn't have added her to his papers.

Any suggestions?

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Naturalisation papers #unitedkingdom

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I received the naturalisation papers for my
grandfather dated April 1912 and he and his 5 sons
appear on the papers but not my grandmother - who was
his wife until 1936 when he died. Can you give me any
explanation why she didnt appear on these papers?

They were married in 1896 (when she was approx. 18)
and I believe her father took out naturalisation
papers in 1903/4 - am waiting for PRO to confirm this.
So her father wouldn't have added her to his papers.

Any suggestions?

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel
Arnold Miles #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Seeking the current email and regular address of Dr. Arthur Miles. London.


Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: chaimjan@zahav.net.il


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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Arnold Miles #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Seeking the current email and regular address of Dr. Arthur Miles. London.


Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
email: chaimjan@zahav.net.il


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Re: Isaac and Sholom? How about Sholom and Shlomoh? #general

Roberta Sheps <roberta.sheps@...>
 

On the question of confusion among Isaac, Sholom, Shlomoh, Zalman, Sol,
Solomon etc, Michael Bernet has written, inter alia:
<< Shalom is a good (and common) Hebrew first name. .....

Shlomoh, .... is a totally different name >from Shalom, although the
name is ultimately derived >from Shalom. The Hebrew names are not
interchangable.
Perhaps the confusion comes >from the English in the sense that Jews names
Shalom often assumed Sol or Solomon as their name in "the new country"--
just as the Shlomohs did. ...

In Yiddish, Shlomoh is often rendered Zalman, but Shulem is the Yiddish
form for Shalom.>>

Just to add to the confusion, my father was Sam in English, and his
parents called him Shmiel, but his Hebrew name was not, as I had
thought, Shmuel, it was Sholem.


Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England (born in Winnipeg, Canada) and searching

COHEN, KLAIMON, GROSSMAN, SPIVAK, PORTIGAL: Talna/Kiev (Ukraine);
BELOVITSKY(I), BELOV/BELOFF/BELL: (Popishok/Popiskes), Lithuania/
Montreal; YAFFE: Wiliez, nr Disna, Vilna Gubernia/ Winnipeg/ Montreal/
North Dakota; SHEPS, KRASNOW AND POTASHNIKOW: Odessa area
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Isaac and Sholom? How about Sholom and Shlomoh? #general

Roberta Sheps <roberta.sheps@...>
 

On the question of confusion among Isaac, Sholom, Shlomoh, Zalman, Sol,
Solomon etc, Michael Bernet has written, inter alia:
<< Shalom is a good (and common) Hebrew first name. .....

Shlomoh, .... is a totally different name >from Shalom, although the
name is ultimately derived >from Shalom. The Hebrew names are not
interchangable.
Perhaps the confusion comes >from the English in the sense that Jews names
Shalom often assumed Sol or Solomon as their name in "the new country"--
just as the Shlomohs did. ...

In Yiddish, Shlomoh is often rendered Zalman, but Shulem is the Yiddish
form for Shalom.>>

Just to add to the confusion, my father was Sam in English, and his
parents called him Shmiel, but his Hebrew name was not, as I had
thought, Shmuel, it was Sholem.


Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England (born in Winnipeg, Canada) and searching

COHEN, KLAIMON, GROSSMAN, SPIVAK, PORTIGAL: Talna/Kiev (Ukraine);
BELOVITSKY(I), BELOV/BELOFF/BELL: (Popishok/Popiskes), Lithuania/
Montreal; YAFFE: Wiliez, nr Disna, Vilna Gubernia/ Winnipeg/ Montreal/
North Dakota; SHEPS, KRASNOW AND POTASHNIKOW: Odessa area
What's a "Jewish" name and what isn't and why "Jewish" genealogy #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:35:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
a.sharon@shaw.ca responded to my posting:

<< > When we discuss Jewish names, we should limit ourselves to names that
> have a predominantly Jewish origin, >from the Hebrew Bible, >from the
> Hebrew language, >from the Talmud (but even here there are many non-
> Jewish nonce names), or direct translations there>from (e.g. Belinfante
> and Bonfils >from BenTov and ElemTov, Wolff or Hirsch >from Binyamin or
> Naftali, Bondi or Guttentag >from YomTov), or specifically Jewish
> Yiddish names.

Why should we?

During Russian rule, and many of the Genners ancestors that have
originated >from the Pale territory (this include Poland, Ukraine and
Baltics) have been specifically _forbidden_ to use Biblical names and an
artificial name like Movsha or Ovsey have been created by the Tsar
administration. How can we trace those names to The Bible or Talmud? >>

==I'm sorry, I obviously did not make myself clear. Jewish children were
given all sorts of names: Vladislaw and Ernestine, Constantinos and
Sheldon.
I even know of one Salvatore Menuchin. And I would hardly say that the
name under which my name was registered, Manfred, was a Jewish name, nor
even that of my father, named Julius---who certainly was not an
assimilationist.

Those who are familiar with my interests--and my postings here and
elsewhere--must know that I am not in any way suggesting we should not
discuss the various civil names that Jews may have been given or may use.
What I am saying is that we should use the label "Jewish" for names that
have strong links to Hebrew, the Jewish scriptures and the Talmud or their
kinnuyim, or their Yiddish adaptations, and not confuse this specific
meaning with the non-"Jewish" names that many/most of us (also) have.

The rules relating to "Jewish" names are quite different >from those of
names in other languages and we can't simply lump them all together if we
are studying Jewish names specifically.

Perhaps we should change the name of this forum to generalgenealogy
[gengen?]. After all, most of our records were issued by non-Jews and have
nothing to do with being Jewish

Michael Bernet,
New York
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What's a "Jewish" name and what isn't and why "Jewish" genealogy #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:35:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
a.sharon@shaw.ca responded to my posting:

<< > When we discuss Jewish names, we should limit ourselves to names that
> have a predominantly Jewish origin, >from the Hebrew Bible, >from the
> Hebrew language, >from the Talmud (but even here there are many non-
> Jewish nonce names), or direct translations there>from (e.g. Belinfante
> and Bonfils >from BenTov and ElemTov, Wolff or Hirsch >from Binyamin or
> Naftali, Bondi or Guttentag >from YomTov), or specifically Jewish
> Yiddish names.

Why should we?

During Russian rule, and many of the Genners ancestors that have
originated >from the Pale territory (this include Poland, Ukraine and
Baltics) have been specifically _forbidden_ to use Biblical names and an
artificial name like Movsha or Ovsey have been created by the Tsar
administration. How can we trace those names to The Bible or Talmud? >>

==I'm sorry, I obviously did not make myself clear. Jewish children were
given all sorts of names: Vladislaw and Ernestine, Constantinos and
Sheldon.
I even know of one Salvatore Menuchin. And I would hardly say that the
name under which my name was registered, Manfred, was a Jewish name, nor
even that of my father, named Julius---who certainly was not an
assimilationist.

Those who are familiar with my interests--and my postings here and
elsewhere--must know that I am not in any way suggesting we should not
discuss the various civil names that Jews may have been given or may use.
What I am saying is that we should use the label "Jewish" for names that
have strong links to Hebrew, the Jewish scriptures and the Talmud or their
kinnuyim, or their Yiddish adaptations, and not confuse this specific
meaning with the non-"Jewish" names that many/most of us (also) have.

The rules relating to "Jewish" names are quite different >from those of
names in other languages and we can't simply lump them all together if we
are studying Jewish names specifically.

Perhaps we should change the name of this forum to generalgenealogy
[gengen?]. After all, most of our records were issued by non-Jews and have
nothing to do with being Jewish

Michael Bernet,
New York
Help, Advice for Kaments Podolskiy Archives Research #general

barrychernick@...
 

I would like to get started doing research in the Kaments
Podolskiy Archives. Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Should I
contact the archive directly? Are there any private researchers that you
have dealt with before that you might recommend?
Please respond privately unless you think the group would benefit
from your reply.
Barry Chernick
Bellevue WA

CHERNICK, CHERNIK - Starokonstantinov, Krasilov, Volochisk, Samchiki
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolginovo, Minsk
HOFSTEIN – Svencionys, Krotoszyn, Dresden, Berlin
KARP, CARP – Minsk, Logoysk, Pleshchenitsy
BERCHANSKY – Bobrynets, Manitoba Canada

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's policy is that researchers
may not be recommended by name, and that any information
regarding researchers should be sent privately.
Sokolka Society burials #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear Group-

My ggparents are buried in the grounds of Anshe Sokolka of the Mt Carmel
Cemetary in Queens, NY. My ggf Isaac GOLDBERG was buried in 1928. His
wife Celia FELDMAN (born Kovno) was buried in 1932, and their son Milton(b
NYC), who died in WWI, was buried there in 1918.
I know it's not safe to assume anything in genealogy, but do you think
that be buried in that particular area could be an indication that Isaac
was >from Sokolka? When burials took place in certain "Grounds" was it a
rule of thumb that the buried were affiliated with that group or society?

Best regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, CA
Searching FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER (Warszawa & Bedzin, Poland), BARSKA/BARSKY
(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER
(Poland), ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ, LEVINE, LUPOLOR, FRIEDSAM,
COHN/COHEN/KOHN/KOHEN/KAHN. NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Baltimore),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), ANTZEL
(Poland), BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help, Advice for Kaments Podolskiy Archives Research #general

barrychernick@...
 

I would like to get started doing research in the Kaments
Podolskiy Archives. Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Should I
contact the archive directly? Are there any private researchers that you
have dealt with before that you might recommend?
Please respond privately unless you think the group would benefit
from your reply.
Barry Chernick
Bellevue WA

CHERNICK, CHERNIK - Starokonstantinov, Krasilov, Volochisk, Samchiki
MITTLEMAN - Tchan (Tiofipol), Satanov
SCHULMAN, SHULMAN - Dolginovo, Minsk
HOFSTEIN – Svencionys, Krotoszyn, Dresden, Berlin
KARP, CARP – Minsk, Logoysk, Pleshchenitsy
BERCHANSKY – Bobrynets, Manitoba Canada

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's policy is that researchers
may not be recommended by name, and that any information
regarding researchers should be sent privately.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sokolka Society burials #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear Group-

My ggparents are buried in the grounds of Anshe Sokolka of the Mt Carmel
Cemetary in Queens, NY. My ggf Isaac GOLDBERG was buried in 1928. His
wife Celia FELDMAN (born Kovno) was buried in 1932, and their son Milton(b
NYC), who died in WWI, was buried there in 1918.
I know it's not safe to assume anything in genealogy, but do you think
that be buried in that particular area could be an indication that Isaac
was >from Sokolka? When burials took place in certain "Grounds" was it a
rule of thumb that the buried were affiliated with that group or society?

Best regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan
Yorba Linda, CA
Searching FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER (Warszawa & Bedzin, Poland), BARSKA/BARSKY
(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Russia?), FELDMAN (Kovno), SPRINGER, HAMBURGER
(Poland), ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ, LEVINE, LUPOLOR, FRIEDSAM,
COHN/COHEN/KOHN/KOHEN/KAHN. NEWHAN/NEUHAN (Hesse Cassel, Baltimore),
GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), ANTZEL
(Poland), BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ
JGSNY meeting Sunday, February 16, 2003 #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund <glory1@...>
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society of New York will take
place at 2pm on Sunday, February 16th, 2003 at the Center for Jewish
History located in NYC at 15 W 16th Street, between 5th and 6th Avenues.
Joyce Field, JewishGen's Vice President for Research will present an
overview of what's there and what's coming - Mining the Resources of
JewishGen: The Yizkor Book Project, The Holocaust Registry and much more.

The Center's Genealogy Institute will be open >from 12:30 to 2 before the
meeting for networking with other researchers and access to resource
materials and computers.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
JGSNY Program VP
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSNY meeting Sunday, February 16, 2003 #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund <glory1@...>
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society of New York will take
place at 2pm on Sunday, February 16th, 2003 at the Center for Jewish
History located in NYC at 15 W 16th Street, between 5th and 6th Avenues.
Joyce Field, JewishGen's Vice President for Research will present an
overview of what's there and what's coming - Mining the Resources of
JewishGen: The Yizkor Book Project, The Holocaust Registry and much more.

The Center's Genealogy Institute will be open >from 12:30 to 2 before the
meeting for networking with other researchers and access to resource
materials and computers.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
JGSNY Program VP
SSDI data #germany

Hans <hhnord@...>
 

Dear Gersiggers,

I noticed that the cost of a copy of the original SS-5, Social Security
application form, is now $27.00, while it used to be $7.00.

There is "an abbreviated NUMIDENT printout", which costs $16.00. Can
anyone tell me what information >from the original SS-5 is included in
the NUMIDENT and what information is left out? Thank you

Hans H. Nord Newtown, PA

MODERATOR NOTE: This kind of question, while welcome here, is not specific
to GERMAN JEWISH genealogy. You might have more luck posting this on the
JGDG (JewishGen Discussion group) or to one of the many genealogy (not
necessarily Jewish Genealogy) forums elsewhere on the Internet.
German SIG #Germany SSDI data #germany

Hans <hhnord@...>
 

Dear Gersiggers,

I noticed that the cost of a copy of the original SS-5, Social Security
application form, is now $27.00, while it used to be $7.00.

There is "an abbreviated NUMIDENT printout", which costs $16.00. Can
anyone tell me what information >from the original SS-5 is included in
the NUMIDENT and what information is left out? Thank you

Hans H. Nord Newtown, PA

MODERATOR NOTE: This kind of question, while welcome here, is not specific
to GERMAN JEWISH genealogy. You might have more luck posting this on the
JGDG (JewishGen Discussion group) or to one of the many genealogy (not
necessarily Jewish Genealogy) forums elsewhere on the Internet.
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