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Re: Heinz Hesdoerfer #southafrica

Lehmkuhl <rsa2can@...>
 

From: "Ronnie Mink" <ronniemink@...>

In reply to Otto M. Schiff's query regarding the whereabouts of HEINZ
HESDORFFER :

It appears that Mr Hesdorffer, who was active among the She'erit Hapleita
(Survivors Association) in Johannesburg, and who lived at 16 St Peters Road
in Houghton, left South Africa some time towards the end of 2002 to join his
son in the United States. I have no forwarding address, and have no idea of
his son's name other than that he is a medical doctor. I am sorry that I
have not been able to find out more, but will contact Mr Schiff directly
should I find further information.

Ronnie Mink (rmmm@...)
Johannesburg

Dr. Charles Steven HESDORFFER, MB BCh (1978) MMed (1986) FCP(SA) (1983).
Was a medical registrar at the Johannesburg Hospital between 1980 and 1984.
Since 1986 Charles has been at Columbia University in the United States,
first as a haematology/oncology fellow and, >from 1989 to 1996, as assistant
professor of medicine. He is currently associate professor of clinical
medicine and director of the bone marrow transplant program and the stem
cell research laboratory. Director, Marrow and Stem
Cell Transplant and Cellular Immunotherapy Programs at the College of
Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University.

__________/\/*******\/\______
Anne Lehmkuhl
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/


Dov (Berl) BLUMBERG #southafrica

Saul Issroff <shaul@...>
 

Dr. Meira Yaacoba, working on a reaserch about "Dov BLUMBERG - Berl", who
was living in Palestine in 1920-1925 and "Capetown South Africa". She has
his original dairy, and is looking
for more details about his life in South Africa. If you have information
please e-mail Meira with as much information you can. Dr. Meira Yaacoba
dalyn@...

I have given her detaisl of all the D(avid) Blumbergs in the SA Natinoal
archives etc.

Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Dov (Berl) BLUMBERG #southafrica

Saul Issroff <shaul@...>
 

Dr. Meira Yaacoba, working on a reaserch about "Dov BLUMBERG - Berl", who
was living in Palestine in 1920-1925 and "Capetown South Africa". She has
his original dairy, and is looking
for more details about his life in South Africa. If you have information
please e-mail Meira with as much information you can. Dr. Meira Yaacoba
dalyn@...

I have given her detaisl of all the D(avid) Blumbergs in the SA Natinoal
archives etc.

Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Heinz Hesdoerfer #southafrica

Lehmkuhl <rsa2can@...>
 

From: "Ronnie Mink" <ronniemink@...>

In reply to Otto M. Schiff's query regarding the whereabouts of HEINZ
HESDORFFER :

It appears that Mr Hesdorffer, who was active among the She'erit Hapleita
(Survivors Association) in Johannesburg, and who lived at 16 St Peters Road
in Houghton, left South Africa some time towards the end of 2002 to join his
son in the United States. I have no forwarding address, and have no idea of
his son's name other than that he is a medical doctor. I am sorry that I
have not been able to find out more, but will contact Mr Schiff directly
should I find further information.

Ronnie Mink (rmmm@...)
Johannesburg

Dr. Charles Steven HESDORFFER, MB BCh (1978) MMed (1986) FCP(SA) (1983).
Was a medical registrar at the Johannesburg Hospital between 1980 and 1984.
Since 1986 Charles has been at Columbia University in the United States,
first as a haematology/oncology fellow and, >from 1989 to 1996, as assistant
professor of medicine. He is currently associate professor of clinical
medicine and director of the bone marrow transplant program and the stem
cell research laboratory. Director, Marrow and Stem
Cell Transplant and Cellular Immunotherapy Programs at the College of
Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University.

__________/\/*******\/\______
Anne Lehmkuhl
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/


TRANSLATION #ukraine

genielady@...
 

Having just found out that ELI was the father of SOLOMON BRUSOWANKIN, I have
2 names >from the Ukraine archives that could be him. ELYA Brusowankin and
LEIBA Brusowankin. There was also a SHLEMA Brusowankin. Can anyone tell me
what these names translate to in English? Are they Yiddish or Russian?
Thank-You,
L. Weisberg
Baltimore, Md.

Researching: BRUSOWANKIN form CHERNIGOV


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine TRANSLATION #ukraine

genielady@...
 

Having just found out that ELI was the father of SOLOMON BRUSOWANKIN, I have
2 names >from the Ukraine archives that could be him. ELYA Brusowankin and
LEIBA Brusowankin. There was also a SHLEMA Brusowankin. Can anyone tell me
what these names translate to in English? Are they Yiddish or Russian?
Thank-You,
L. Weisberg
Baltimore, Md.

Researching: BRUSOWANKIN form CHERNIGOV


Re: Trying to get lucky #general

William F. Hoffman <WFHoffman@...>
 

Errol Schneegurt <ESLVIV@...> wrote:

In the latest Galitzaianer I read an article written by William F. "Fred"
Hoffman titled Slownik Nazwisk Is Online. What it is, is a searchable data
base of Polish surnames and their concentration by Provence back in 1990.
I was able to find some of the surnames that I am researching. In one
sense I am lucky because the surnames I am interested in are not at all
that common and as such do not appear in many of the provinces.
I would ask if anyone out there has access to any directory that would
enable me to get the address of the persons below I would be grateful.
As I wrote in that article, "If you find a name is highly concentrated in
one area, or you know the exact area they came from, you have a better shot
at getting addresses than if you just say, 'Duh, my ancestors came from
Poland.' One source that might be worth a look was mentioned in the July
2000 issue of the _Polish-American Journal_. In that issue the PAJ
Answerman suggested one can find individuals or families 'by contacting
the one office in Poland that has on file the addresses of all people
currently living in Poland: Centralne Biuro Adresowe, ul. Kazimierzowska
60, 02-543 Warsaw, Poland.'"

I have since heard >from people who have contacted this Central Address
Office and received addresses. One key is that Polish privacy laws will not
allow that office to simply hand out addresses -- the people in question
must be contacted and their consent obtained first. So there's no guarantee
you will get the information you want.

Still, you may. It's worth a try. You're asking about specific names in
specific areas, and names that are not very common (it would be pointless,
obviously, to write and ask for the address of everyone in Poland named
Jaworski, for instance). I think you have a reasonably good chance of
getting a reply that will help you. I hope so!

William F. "Fred" Hoffman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Trying to get lucky #general

William F. Hoffman <WFHoffman@...>
 

Errol Schneegurt <ESLVIV@...> wrote:

In the latest Galitzaianer I read an article written by William F. "Fred"
Hoffman titled Slownik Nazwisk Is Online. What it is, is a searchable data
base of Polish surnames and their concentration by Provence back in 1990.
I was able to find some of the surnames that I am researching. In one
sense I am lucky because the surnames I am interested in are not at all
that common and as such do not appear in many of the provinces.
I would ask if anyone out there has access to any directory that would
enable me to get the address of the persons below I would be grateful.
As I wrote in that article, "If you find a name is highly concentrated in
one area, or you know the exact area they came from, you have a better shot
at getting addresses than if you just say, 'Duh, my ancestors came from
Poland.' One source that might be worth a look was mentioned in the July
2000 issue of the _Polish-American Journal_. In that issue the PAJ
Answerman suggested one can find individuals or families 'by contacting
the one office in Poland that has on file the addresses of all people
currently living in Poland: Centralne Biuro Adresowe, ul. Kazimierzowska
60, 02-543 Warsaw, Poland.'"

I have since heard >from people who have contacted this Central Address
Office and received addresses. One key is that Polish privacy laws will not
allow that office to simply hand out addresses -- the people in question
must be contacted and their consent obtained first. So there's no guarantee
you will get the information you want.

Still, you may. It's worth a try. You're asking about specific names in
specific areas, and names that are not very common (it would be pointless,
obviously, to write and ask for the address of everyone in Poland named
Jaworski, for instance). I think you have a reasonably good chance of
getting a reply that will help you. I hope so!

William F. "Fred" Hoffman


Ordering Records from Poland #general

Jrbaston
 

David Edelman had a number of questions about ordering
from Poland copies of records he had found in the JRI-Poland Database.
In general, the place in which researchers will get the
most knowledgeable responses to questions about
JRI-Poland and Polish records will be the JRI-Poland
Discussion Group.

In answer to David's question -- the "pilot" project is still
going on, because JRI-Poland is still working with the
Polish Archives to develop a new order system that will
make things simpler for both researchers and the Polish Archives

What this means for anyone ordering records listed in the
JRI-Poland database -- is this:

* If you are ordering records >from the Bialystok or Lomza Archives, you
can order them thru the pilot project and pay with a credit card.

* If you are ordering >from the AGAD archive (Galician
records) you use their special ordering system.

* If you are ordering >from other PSA branches, you send
them a request for quotation to find out how much the
records will be. You send it as an e-mail attachment if
that branch has e-mail, and by snail mail if they do not.
They will respond and tell you how much the cost will be
and ask for a bank-to-bank transfer to cover the cost.
David's reference to $30 up front is >from a different
system -- this most likely pertains to asking an archive to
research a record not listed in the JRI-Poland database.

I hope this clarifies things for David and other researchers.

Judy Baston, Moderator,
JRI-Poland Discussion Group

MODERATOR NOTE: For more information about JRI-Poland, its
databases, and its mailing list, see their webpage at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ordering Records from Poland #general

Jrbaston
 

David Edelman had a number of questions about ordering
from Poland copies of records he had found in the JRI-Poland Database.
In general, the place in which researchers will get the
most knowledgeable responses to questions about
JRI-Poland and Polish records will be the JRI-Poland
Discussion Group.

In answer to David's question -- the "pilot" project is still
going on, because JRI-Poland is still working with the
Polish Archives to develop a new order system that will
make things simpler for both researchers and the Polish Archives

What this means for anyone ordering records listed in the
JRI-Poland database -- is this:

* If you are ordering records >from the Bialystok or Lomza Archives, you
can order them thru the pilot project and pay with a credit card.

* If you are ordering >from the AGAD archive (Galician
records) you use their special ordering system.

* If you are ordering >from other PSA branches, you send
them a request for quotation to find out how much the
records will be. You send it as an e-mail attachment if
that branch has e-mail, and by snail mail if they do not.
They will respond and tell you how much the cost will be
and ask for a bank-to-bank transfer to cover the cost.
David's reference to $30 up front is >from a different
system -- this most likely pertains to asking an archive to
research a record not listed in the JRI-Poland database.

I hope this clarifies things for David and other researchers.

Judy Baston, Moderator,
JRI-Poland Discussion Group

MODERATOR NOTE: For more information about JRI-Poland, its
databases, and its mailing list, see their webpage at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.


Same personal names in same family #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/6/2003 12:09:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
hoenig@... writes:

<< In a recent posting I asked if it were possible that two brothers would
have the names Aron and Aron Leib. About 15 people wrote to tell me that
it was far more likely they were first cousins. One person said he new of
a case like this but it was very unusual. I have since found another
example of similar names in a family. So, my conclusion is that pairs of
names, like Moses and Moses Wolf, can occur but it is unusual. >>

Sometimes in cases like this we come up against an old pattern, before
family names were officially registered, when a man was known officially
by his personal name followed by his father's personal name (with no
intervening "ben"--son of). So, Moses Wolf would have been Moses, son of
Wolf; those not in the know might think he had the same name as his
father. Moses Wolf could have had a brother named Aron Wolf.

[A while back someone asked in a Jewishgen forum, with surprise and
indignation, how the prominent leader of Orthodox Judaism in 19th cent.
Germany, Samson Raphael Hirsch, could have had the same name as his
father, Rabbi Raphael Hirsch (whose family name had originally been
Frankfurter--but that's another story). It would have provoked no
surprise at the time because just about everyone followed his own personal
name with his father's.]

I am not familiar with all naming patterns everywhere and at all times,
but I would think it extremely rare for two brothers in the same family to
have the same personal names. When you think you have found such a case,
consider it as an occasion for careful speculation, doubt and enquiry:
why is this family so different >from other families?

Here are some possibilities:

1. The second child was named after an earlier sibling who had died
young. This was done in some communities but was frowned on in many.

2. The bearer of that name had a second personal name tagged on during a
medical crisis; this was a common practice and was believed to confuse
the angel of death and so preserve the sick person's life

3. The two names, and the third add-on, belonged to the same person. By
some the add-on name was used only rarely.

4. The person may have added on a second personal name because he didn't
like his original name, or preferred a different name, or to differentiate
him >from the many others in the village who were all named Moses.

5. Somebody, >from the Brit to the birth registration, to the tombstone,
to the LDS transcription, may have goofed.

Meir Manfred Michael Bernet [one and the same person], New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Same personal names in same family #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/6/2003 12:09:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
hoenig@... writes:

<< In a recent posting I asked if it were possible that two brothers would
have the names Aron and Aron Leib. About 15 people wrote to tell me that
it was far more likely they were first cousins. One person said he new of
a case like this but it was very unusual. I have since found another
example of similar names in a family. So, my conclusion is that pairs of
names, like Moses and Moses Wolf, can occur but it is unusual. >>

Sometimes in cases like this we come up against an old pattern, before
family names were officially registered, when a man was known officially
by his personal name followed by his father's personal name (with no
intervening "ben"--son of). So, Moses Wolf would have been Moses, son of
Wolf; those not in the know might think he had the same name as his
father. Moses Wolf could have had a brother named Aron Wolf.

[A while back someone asked in a Jewishgen forum, with surprise and
indignation, how the prominent leader of Orthodox Judaism in 19th cent.
Germany, Samson Raphael Hirsch, could have had the same name as his
father, Rabbi Raphael Hirsch (whose family name had originally been
Frankfurter--but that's another story). It would have provoked no
surprise at the time because just about everyone followed his own personal
name with his father's.]

I am not familiar with all naming patterns everywhere and at all times,
but I would think it extremely rare for two brothers in the same family to
have the same personal names. When you think you have found such a case,
consider it as an occasion for careful speculation, doubt and enquiry:
why is this family so different >from other families?

Here are some possibilities:

1. The second child was named after an earlier sibling who had died
young. This was done in some communities but was frowned on in many.

2. The bearer of that name had a second personal name tagged on during a
medical crisis; this was a common practice and was believed to confuse
the angel of death and so preserve the sick person's life

3. The two names, and the third add-on, belonged to the same person. By
some the add-on name was used only rarely.

4. The person may have added on a second personal name because he didn't
like his original name, or preferred a different name, or to differentiate
him >from the many others in the village who were all named Moses.

5. Somebody, >from the Brit to the birth registration, to the tombstone,
to the LDS transcription, may have goofed.

Meir Manfred Michael Bernet [one and the same person], New York


ViewMate picture #general

Erica Wiesel <cpwiesel@...>
 

A picture was uploaded to viewmate.
The file on Viewmate is VM 2493
Go directly to the location:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2493
Please respond privately
My e-mail address: erica.wiesel@...

Thank you,
Erica Wiesel
Rehovot, Israel

E-mail: erica.wiesel@...


Gaditch, Russia? #general

Mike Posnick
 

A relative's Petition for Naturalization recites his children's birthplace
as "Gaditch, Russia." I have been unable to locate the town. Does anyone
know where it is, possibly in the vicinity of Pinsk or Novyy Sverzhen,
Belarus, and its current name?

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota
e-mail: mpoz@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gaditch, Russia? #general

Mike Posnick
 

A relative's Petition for Naturalization recites his children's birthplace
as "Gaditch, Russia." I have been unable to locate the town. Does anyone
know where it is, possibly in the vicinity of Pinsk or Novyy Sverzhen,
Belarus, and its current name?

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota
e-mail: mpoz@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate picture #general

Erica Wiesel <cpwiesel@...>
 

A picture was uploaded to viewmate.
The file on Viewmate is VM 2493
Go directly to the location:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2493
Please respond privately
My e-mail address: erica.wiesel@...

Thank you,
Erica Wiesel
Rehovot, Israel

E-mail: erica.wiesel@...


Re: Industrial Removal Office - searchable online database #general

Vivian & Terry <vivian@...>
 

Thank you to Tim Baker for telling us about the searchable on-line
databases at the Center for Jewish History in NYC:
http://www.cjh.org/academic/findingaids/AJHS/institutionlist.html

I went to this link and entered a few of my family names in the database of
the Industrial Removal Office and the database of Jewish soldiers
questionnaires. It was astonishing to find several "hits", especially one
of my more unusual names (SKLAROFF) and one of an almost certain cousin (a
GERTZMAN going to Cincinnati).

After reading related pages on the website, I see no indication that one
can write to the Center to obtain the details held in these files. Must I
go to NYC personally to delve into these "hits," or is there a way to
obtain the details by mail or e-mail?

Thank you for your help.

Vivian Levensohn
Hustisford, Wisconsin

Researching:
LEVENSOHN (Kiev/Cincinnati/California); SKLAROFF (and variations)/SKLAR
(Malot/Cincinnati/Worcester/Philadelphia); GRINKER
(Odessa/Mauricio/Cincinnati); GERTZMAN/HERTZMAN (Mogilev
Dneppr/Cincinnati/Louisville); EINHORN (Ekaterinoslav/Cincinnati);
KAMINSKY/KAMIN (Odessa/Cincinnati)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Industrial Removal Office - searchable online database #general

Vivian & Terry <vivian@...>
 

Thank you to Tim Baker for telling us about the searchable on-line
databases at the Center for Jewish History in NYC:
http://www.cjh.org/academic/findingaids/AJHS/institutionlist.html

I went to this link and entered a few of my family names in the database of
the Industrial Removal Office and the database of Jewish soldiers
questionnaires. It was astonishing to find several "hits", especially one
of my more unusual names (SKLAROFF) and one of an almost certain cousin (a
GERTZMAN going to Cincinnati).

After reading related pages on the website, I see no indication that one
can write to the Center to obtain the details held in these files. Must I
go to NYC personally to delve into these "hits," or is there a way to
obtain the details by mail or e-mail?

Thank you for your help.

Vivian Levensohn
Hustisford, Wisconsin

Researching:
LEVENSOHN (Kiev/Cincinnati/California); SKLAROFF (and variations)/SKLAR
(Malot/Cincinnati/Worcester/Philadelphia); GRINKER
(Odessa/Mauricio/Cincinnati); GERTZMAN/HERTZMAN (Mogilev
Dneppr/Cincinnati/Louisville); EINHORN (Ekaterinoslav/Cincinnati);
KAMINSKY/KAMIN (Odessa/Cincinnati)


Re: Polish #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

You could publish the records on View Mate; someone
will translate them for you. Check the Jewishgen home
page.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

You could publish the records on View Mate; someone
will translate them for you. Check the Jewishgen home
page.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY