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Reminder - JFRA Israel Wednesday June 25 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

A reminder for all family history researchers throughout Israel:

JFRA Israel's special guest on June 25 will be Avotaynu editor and author
Sallyann Amdur Sack, who will speak on the newest developments in the field
of Jewish genealogy. The program will be of interest to researchers of all
levels, >from beginners to the most advanced. All researchers in Israel are
cordially invited to attend.

The joint meeting of the JFRA branches will be hosted by JFRA Ra'anana.

Wednesday, June 25
Doors open 7.30 pm, program begins 8 pm.
Beit Fischer
5 Klausner St
Ra'anana

Sallyann is founder and first president of the Jewish Genealogy Society of
Greater Washington (host of this year's conference),
co-author/author/editor of the new "Avotaynu Guide to Jewish Genealogy,"
"Where Once We Walked (original and revised)," "A Guide to Genealogical
Research in Israel," "Russian Consular Records Index and Catalogue." She
has also organized several of the annual international seminars.

For reservations/information, contact JFRA Ra'anana chair Ingrid
Rockberger, 09-745-0456, <ingrid_100@hotmail.com>.

JFRA members, NIS 5; others, NIS 15.

With best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JFRA Israel
dardasht@barak-online.net


Correction JGS of Miami, Inc. Jewish Museum of Florida trip admission fee #general

bmusikar@...
 

Just to let you know that there is an admission fee for Sunday's trip to
the Jewish Museum of Florida. It is $4.00 per person for group members.
Only those persons who are Jewish Museum of Florida members are admitted
free.

Barbara Musikar
V.P. Programming Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami, Inc.
Surfside, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reminder - JFRA Israel Wednesday June 25 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

A reminder for all family history researchers throughout Israel:

JFRA Israel's special guest on June 25 will be Avotaynu editor and author
Sallyann Amdur Sack, who will speak on the newest developments in the field
of Jewish genealogy. The program will be of interest to researchers of all
levels, >from beginners to the most advanced. All researchers in Israel are
cordially invited to attend.

The joint meeting of the JFRA branches will be hosted by JFRA Ra'anana.

Wednesday, June 25
Doors open 7.30 pm, program begins 8 pm.
Beit Fischer
5 Klausner St
Ra'anana

Sallyann is founder and first president of the Jewish Genealogy Society of
Greater Washington (host of this year's conference),
co-author/author/editor of the new "Avotaynu Guide to Jewish Genealogy,"
"Where Once We Walked (original and revised)," "A Guide to Genealogical
Research in Israel," "Russian Consular Records Index and Catalogue." She
has also organized several of the annual international seminars.

For reservations/information, contact JFRA Ra'anana chair Ingrid
Rockberger, 09-745-0456, <ingrid_100@hotmail.com>.

JFRA members, NIS 5; others, NIS 15.

With best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JFRA Israel
dardasht@barak-online.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction JGS of Miami, Inc. Jewish Museum of Florida trip admission fee #general

bmusikar@...
 

Just to let you know that there is an admission fee for Sunday's trip to
the Jewish Museum of Florida. It is $4.00 per person for group members.
Only those persons who are Jewish Museum of Florida members are admitted
free.

Barbara Musikar
V.P. Programming Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami, Inc.
Surfside, FL


Re: Brueder Verein #germany

Paula Zieselman <paulaz@...>
 

Dear Group:
This is another communication >from Mr. Seligsohn at the Center for Jewish
History regarding the above lodge.

He says he has also seen "bruederverein" used in conjunction
with Wisoke-Litovsk cemetery. Thanks for your consideration.

Paula Zieselman, NYC paulaz@ix.netcom.com

At one time I believed that the Brueder Verein founded in 1853 and a
forerunner of the Brothers in Unity was a German-Jewish organization..
I no longer hold to that conjecture. However I would like to present
the names of the first deceased members so that the readers can judge for
their own. Allow me to present the names of the first deaceased members
with the date of death. At this time in the archiving of the papers of the
Brothers In Unity there is no information other than these names and dates.
These were taken >from a constitution dated 1950

Manheims,Jacob, Dec 1, 1861
Epherim, Moritz, Sept 10, 1862
Tolze, Samuel, Mar 26, 1863
Oettinger, Herman, Oct 18, 1863
Zuckerman, Morris, April 19, 1864
Harris, Abraham, Dec 19, 1873
Eicholtz, Simon, Mar 2, 1874
Block, Israel, Dec 17, 1874
Turk, Louis, April 14, 1877
Butler, Heiman, Oct 31, 1878
Obreight, Emanuel M, April 18, 1880
Ahrensdorff, Herman [ex pres],May 1881
Siberstein, Michael, July 3, 1881
Powell, Henry, July 3, 1883
Nathanson, Philip, Dec 5, 1884
Obreight, Simon [ex pres], Aug 13, 1886
Kronheim, Alexander [ex pres], Aug 26, 1886
Chuck, William, Dec 7, 1887
Peyser, Morris, June 13, 1888
Taylor, Morris, July 2, 1888
Leon, Morris, July 24, 1889
Kory, Louis, Oct 24, 1889
Friedeberg, Solomon, Jan14, 1890
Meyer, Marks, Feb 5, 1890
Morris, Solomon, Mar 8, 1890
Lewick, Abraham, Mar 15, 1890
Glass, Joseph, May 14, 1890
Cohen, Morris, Aug 25, 1890
Hirschler, Sigmund, Nov 9, 1890
Weiss, Henry, Dec 7, 1890
Brodek, Abraham, Dec 24, 1890
Praeger, Emil, Jan 24, 1891
Epstein, Isaac, Mar 24, 1891
Meyersohn, Abraham, June 28, 1891
Levy, David, Aug 15, 1891
Asch, Louis, Aug 13, 1892
Markstein, Solomon, Aug 26, 1892
Magner, Alexander, Mar 8, 1893

Jerome Seligsohn Volunteer archivist CJH


German SIG #Germany Re: Brueder Verein #germany

Paula Zieselman <paulaz@...>
 

Dear Group:
This is another communication >from Mr. Seligsohn at the Center for Jewish
History regarding the above lodge.

He says he has also seen "bruederverein" used in conjunction
with Wisoke-Litovsk cemetery. Thanks for your consideration.

Paula Zieselman, NYC paulaz@ix.netcom.com

At one time I believed that the Brueder Verein founded in 1853 and a
forerunner of the Brothers in Unity was a German-Jewish organization..
I no longer hold to that conjecture. However I would like to present
the names of the first deceased members so that the readers can judge for
their own. Allow me to present the names of the first deaceased members
with the date of death. At this time in the archiving of the papers of the
Brothers In Unity there is no information other than these names and dates.
These were taken >from a constitution dated 1950

Manheims,Jacob, Dec 1, 1861
Epherim, Moritz, Sept 10, 1862
Tolze, Samuel, Mar 26, 1863
Oettinger, Herman, Oct 18, 1863
Zuckerman, Morris, April 19, 1864
Harris, Abraham, Dec 19, 1873
Eicholtz, Simon, Mar 2, 1874
Block, Israel, Dec 17, 1874
Turk, Louis, April 14, 1877
Butler, Heiman, Oct 31, 1878
Obreight, Emanuel M, April 18, 1880
Ahrensdorff, Herman [ex pres],May 1881
Siberstein, Michael, July 3, 1881
Powell, Henry, July 3, 1883
Nathanson, Philip, Dec 5, 1884
Obreight, Simon [ex pres], Aug 13, 1886
Kronheim, Alexander [ex pres], Aug 26, 1886
Chuck, William, Dec 7, 1887
Peyser, Morris, June 13, 1888
Taylor, Morris, July 2, 1888
Leon, Morris, July 24, 1889
Kory, Louis, Oct 24, 1889
Friedeberg, Solomon, Jan14, 1890
Meyer, Marks, Feb 5, 1890
Morris, Solomon, Mar 8, 1890
Lewick, Abraham, Mar 15, 1890
Glass, Joseph, May 14, 1890
Cohen, Morris, Aug 25, 1890
Hirschler, Sigmund, Nov 9, 1890
Weiss, Henry, Dec 7, 1890
Brodek, Abraham, Dec 24, 1890
Praeger, Emil, Jan 24, 1891
Epstein, Isaac, Mar 24, 1891
Meyersohn, Abraham, June 28, 1891
Levy, David, Aug 15, 1891
Asch, Louis, Aug 13, 1892
Markstein, Solomon, Aug 26, 1892
Magner, Alexander, Mar 8, 1893

Jerome Seligsohn Volunteer archivist CJH


List of Ancestral Names and Towns #germany

RalphNBaer@...
 

It has been a year since I last posted this list of my known ancestral
families and towns. I remain very interested in corresponding with anyone
who has information about any of these family name and town combinations.

Please reply to: RalphNBaer@aol.com

Family names are in capital letters. Town names are followed by current
names of combined communities in parentheses, followed by region.
Multiple ancestral towns for the same family are separated by semicolons.

Names with letters following the identifying numbers pertain to brothers
of ancestors who adopted different last names >from my ancestors or family
names used before names were standardized. (Patronymics not adopted as
family names are not included.)

1 BAER: Malsch bei Ettlingen, Baden
2 GUNZENHAEUSER (GUNZENHAUSER): Aschaffenburg, Unterfranken;
Memmelsdorf in Unterfranken (Untermerzbach), Unterfranken;
Binswangen, Schwaben; Fuerth, Mittelfranken
2A LEVI: Gunzenhausen, Mittelfranken; Hilpoltstein, Mittelfranken
3 MAIER (MAYER): Rohrbach bei Heidelberg (Heidelberg), Baden
4 CAHN: Ruhrort (Duisburg), Rheinland; Moers, Rheinland; Orsoy
(Rheinberg), Rheinland
4A COHN: Grevenbroich, Rheinland; Linnich, Rheinland
4B MAUS: Bonn, Rheinland
5 GRUENEBAUM: Gambach (Muenzenberg), Oberhessen
6 HOFHEIMER: Buttenhausen (Muensingen), Wuerttemberg
6A BLUMENTHAL: Buttenhausen (Muensingen), Wuerttemberg
6B ROSENFELD: Hohebach (Doerzbach), Wuerttemberg
6C STRAUSS: Doerzbach, Wuerttemberg
7 HESSDOERFER: Ottensoos, Mittelfranken
8 SCHMIDT: Hanau, Hessen-Nassau; Grosskrotzenburg, Hessen-Nassau
9 KLEIN: Joehlingen (Walzbachtal), Baden; ancestors >from Sulzbach,
Oberpfalz
9A SONNENTHEIL: Landau in der Pfalz, Pfalz
10 ROSENBAUM: Gambach (Muenzenberg), Oberhessen [-------snip]

Ralph N. BAER, Washington, D.C. RalphNBaer@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: At the request of our hosts at JewishGen,
GerSig has modified our policy regarding posting of "Researching......."
lists like this one.

Mr. Baer's list of 49 FAMILY NAMES and towns can be found in our archives
(see below). It is a model for all who would compose lists of this kind.

The Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF) allows you to post your
family names and towns and to search for others who are seeking the
same families. http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/

The Family Tree of the Jewish People (FTJP) contains entire family trees.
Anyone can post his data there or search the entries posted by others.
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/

The JewishGen Archive Search engine allows you to search all messages
posted to the JewishGen Discussion Group (JGDG) for names and towns
included in messages posted to that Forum.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop

The JewishGen SIG Archive Search Engine will let you find and read
all messages posted to GerSig or any of the other Special Interest
Group lists and locate FAMILY NAMES and towns of interest included
in those messages.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop

Using the SIG Archive Search Engine
I located Mr. Baer's list which was
posted to this Forum in June, 2002.

If you wish to view the entire list,
please use the SIG search engine or
write privately to Mr. Baer to request
a copy of the full list containing
49 family names.

We will continue to include "Researching....." lists posted by new
GerSig subscriber members.

If your research leads you to ancestral FAMILY NAMES and towns
which are new to you we suggest that you announce your breakthrough
in this Forum with a list of the new additions. You can include a
comment that your entire "Researching........" list has been posted here
previously.

We will consider posting lists which have been significantly changed
by additions and other enhancements. John Paul Lowens - MODERATOR


German SIG #Germany List of Ancestral Names and Towns #germany

RalphNBaer@...
 

It has been a year since I last posted this list of my known ancestral
families and towns. I remain very interested in corresponding with anyone
who has information about any of these family name and town combinations.

Please reply to: RalphNBaer@aol.com

Family names are in capital letters. Town names are followed by current
names of combined communities in parentheses, followed by region.
Multiple ancestral towns for the same family are separated by semicolons.

Names with letters following the identifying numbers pertain to brothers
of ancestors who adopted different last names >from my ancestors or family
names used before names were standardized. (Patronymics not adopted as
family names are not included.)

1 BAER: Malsch bei Ettlingen, Baden
2 GUNZENHAEUSER (GUNZENHAUSER): Aschaffenburg, Unterfranken;
Memmelsdorf in Unterfranken (Untermerzbach), Unterfranken;
Binswangen, Schwaben; Fuerth, Mittelfranken
2A LEVI: Gunzenhausen, Mittelfranken; Hilpoltstein, Mittelfranken
3 MAIER (MAYER): Rohrbach bei Heidelberg (Heidelberg), Baden
4 CAHN: Ruhrort (Duisburg), Rheinland; Moers, Rheinland; Orsoy
(Rheinberg), Rheinland
4A COHN: Grevenbroich, Rheinland; Linnich, Rheinland
4B MAUS: Bonn, Rheinland
5 GRUENEBAUM: Gambach (Muenzenberg), Oberhessen
6 HOFHEIMER: Buttenhausen (Muensingen), Wuerttemberg
6A BLUMENTHAL: Buttenhausen (Muensingen), Wuerttemberg
6B ROSENFELD: Hohebach (Doerzbach), Wuerttemberg
6C STRAUSS: Doerzbach, Wuerttemberg
7 HESSDOERFER: Ottensoos, Mittelfranken
8 SCHMIDT: Hanau, Hessen-Nassau; Grosskrotzenburg, Hessen-Nassau
9 KLEIN: Joehlingen (Walzbachtal), Baden; ancestors >from Sulzbach,
Oberpfalz
9A SONNENTHEIL: Landau in der Pfalz, Pfalz
10 ROSENBAUM: Gambach (Muenzenberg), Oberhessen [-------snip]

Ralph N. BAER, Washington, D.C. RalphNBaer@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: At the request of our hosts at JewishGen,
GerSig has modified our policy regarding posting of "Researching......."
lists like this one.

Mr. Baer's list of 49 FAMILY NAMES and towns can be found in our archives
(see below). It is a model for all who would compose lists of this kind.

The Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF) allows you to post your
family names and towns and to search for others who are seeking the
same families. http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/

The Family Tree of the Jewish People (FTJP) contains entire family trees.
Anyone can post his data there or search the entries posted by others.
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/

The JewishGen Archive Search engine allows you to search all messages
posted to the JewishGen Discussion Group (JGDG) for names and towns
included in messages posted to that Forum.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop

The JewishGen SIG Archive Search Engine will let you find and read
all messages posted to GerSig or any of the other Special Interest
Group lists and locate FAMILY NAMES and towns of interest included
in those messages.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop

Using the SIG Archive Search Engine
I located Mr. Baer's list which was
posted to this Forum in June, 2002.

If you wish to view the entire list,
please use the SIG search engine or
write privately to Mr. Baer to request
a copy of the full list containing
49 family names.

We will continue to include "Researching....." lists posted by new
GerSig subscriber members.

If your research leads you to ancestral FAMILY NAMES and towns
which are new to you we suggest that you announce your breakthrough
in this Forum with a list of the new additions. You can include a
comment that your entire "Researching........" list has been posted here
previously.

We will consider posting lists which have been significantly changed
by additions and other enhancements. John Paul Lowens - MODERATOR


Variation or alternative to Grossman/Groszman/Grosmann #hungary

Lois Clauson <Lois.Clauson@...>
 

Can't find immigration records for Lena Grossman (born 1874 immigrated 1895,
Hungary/Austria). Have combed Ellis Island records, Boston HIAS records and
written to Philadelphia HIAS. Have picture of her taken in New York. She
died in Milwaukee in 1916. Is there a variation of her last name I haven't
considered starting her name with a different letter? Is Grossmann rather
than Grossman less or more likely to be Jewish? What about Hungarian?

Lois Feldman Clauson
Oakland, California

Moderator VK: Check different years and ages. Also try the general search, not the Jewish search aid. I found three possibilities. Lina Grossman, 16, >from Lelesz who arrived on southwark in 1899; Lieny Grossman, 26, arrived on Friesland in 1897; and Lena Grossman, 10, who arrived on Brannschweig in 1894 with Max Grossman. If all else fails, consider possibility that she sailed to Canada and came in by train. If so, you might find her in St. Albans lists.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Variation or alternative to Grossman/Groszman/Grosmann #hungary

Lois Clauson <Lois.Clauson@...>
 

Can't find immigration records for Lena Grossman (born 1874 immigrated 1895,
Hungary/Austria). Have combed Ellis Island records, Boston HIAS records and
written to Philadelphia HIAS. Have picture of her taken in New York. She
died in Milwaukee in 1916. Is there a variation of her last name I haven't
considered starting her name with a different letter? Is Grossmann rather
than Grossman less or more likely to be Jewish? What about Hungarian?

Lois Feldman Clauson
Oakland, California

Moderator VK: Check different years and ages. Also try the general search, not the Jewish search aid. I found three possibilities. Lina Grossman, 16, >from Lelesz who arrived on southwark in 1899; Lieny Grossman, 26, arrived on Friesland in 1897; and Lena Grossman, 10, who arrived on Brannschweig in 1894 with Max Grossman. If all else fails, consider possibility that she sailed to Canada and came in by train. If so, you might find her in St. Albans lists.


SITE CITE: Database - Muensterland victims of the Holocaust #germany

Naomi Teveth <ntevet@...>
 

Dear friends,

this is a searchable database listing Jewish victims of the Holocaust from
Muensterland.
The URL is:
http://www.muenster.org/spurenfinden/

For orientation see the map of Muensterland.

Map of Muensterland
http://www.muensterland-tourismus.de/service/karte.html

On the home page of the database, follow these steps:

Click on : "Gedenken und ERinnern vor Ort" > Datenbank > Juedische Opfer im
Muensterland.

Now you have two ways to go:

1. Click on the hyperlink "Recherche",which will bring you to a simple and
advanced search mask.
Use this in case you know the surname or name of town you are searching.

2. Click on the hyperlink "Datenbank" > Juedische Oper > Zum Findbuch.
This will open a list of all localities with Jewish vicitims. Clicking on
anyone of the places will give you the complete list of victims of that
place.

The Results show:
Surname and name
Date of birth (Geburtstag)
Date of death (Todestag)
Place of birth (Geburtsort)
Deportation destination (Deportationsort)
Camp (Place of death) (Lager - Todesort)
Source (Quelle)
Date of deportation (Deportationsdatum)

There is another database on this site concerning the victims of Euthanasie
in Muensterland. The results show only initialized surnames and full given
names. This makes it difficult to judge who is Jewish.

Wishing you all the best.
Naomi Teveth in Tel Aviv ntevet@netvision.net.il


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE: Database - Muensterland victims of the Holocaust #germany

Naomi Teveth <ntevet@...>
 

Dear friends,

this is a searchable database listing Jewish victims of the Holocaust from
Muensterland.
The URL is:
http://www.muenster.org/spurenfinden/

For orientation see the map of Muensterland.

Map of Muensterland
http://www.muensterland-tourismus.de/service/karte.html

On the home page of the database, follow these steps:

Click on : "Gedenken und ERinnern vor Ort" > Datenbank > Juedische Opfer im
Muensterland.

Now you have two ways to go:

1. Click on the hyperlink "Recherche",which will bring you to a simple and
advanced search mask.
Use this in case you know the surname or name of town you are searching.

2. Click on the hyperlink "Datenbank" > Juedische Oper > Zum Findbuch.
This will open a list of all localities with Jewish vicitims. Clicking on
anyone of the places will give you the complete list of victims of that
place.

The Results show:
Surname and name
Date of birth (Geburtstag)
Date of death (Todestag)
Place of birth (Geburtsort)
Deportation destination (Deportationsort)
Camp (Place of death) (Lager - Todesort)
Source (Quelle)
Date of deportation (Deportationsdatum)

There is another database on this site concerning the victims of Euthanasie
in Muensterland. The results show only initialized surnames and full given
names. This makes it difficult to judge who is Jewish.

Wishing you all the best.
Naomi Teveth in Tel Aviv ntevet@netvision.net.il


Occupations (help with translation from German) #germany

Michael Marx <mhmarx@...>
 

In a handwritten documents there is a reference to an occupation which
appears to be "hansierhandel". Another person has a notation that
appears to be "schningeschaft Weinheim". Could someone tell me what
occupations these refer to.

Michael Marx Lexington, MA, USA MHMarx@mindspring.com

MODERATOR NOTE: At the GerSig Website there is a link to an
extensive list of archaic German occupational terms.
Go to the "Resources" main page and then "Specialized On-Line
Dictionaries" at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/dictionaries.htm

However, this site was not helpful regarding Mr. Marx's inquiry.


German SIG #Germany Occupations (help with translation from German) #germany

Michael Marx <mhmarx@...>
 

In a handwritten documents there is a reference to an occupation which
appears to be "hansierhandel". Another person has a notation that
appears to be "schningeschaft Weinheim". Could someone tell me what
occupations these refer to.

Michael Marx Lexington, MA, USA MHMarx@mindspring.com

MODERATOR NOTE: At the GerSig Website there is a link to an
extensive list of archaic German occupational terms.
Go to the "Resources" main page and then "Specialized On-Line
Dictionaries" at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/dictionaries.htm

However, this site was not helpful regarding Mr. Marx's inquiry.


Re: Where is lipto patak? #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

For current on-line maps of Slovak towns and villages, go to:
http://mapy.atlas.sk/aquariusnet/frm_uvod.asp

Example: The map shows FIVE settlements with the name of Potok. One of them=
=20
is adjacent to the town of Lipovec, but this may not necessarily be the=20
area of your grandmother's birth place.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

From: ilona lerman <phililona2001@yahoo.com>

I have confirmed that my grandmother was born in a
place called Lipo Patak by comparing the birth records
of my father and his siblings. I am having a hard time
finding where this place is today. The Hungarian
Embassy in Tel Aviv told me it is not in Hungary
today, but probably in Slovakia near the Hungarian
border. After posting the question on Jewish Gen it
seems that the place was called PATAK in LIPTO County
in the NEMETLIPCSEI district, which today is probably
POTOK in Slovakia. However I have found there are 3
places called POTOK in Slovakia all south of
Bratislava and I don't know which it is. Someone told
me that Lipto is due north of Budapest. All this would
fit into what my father told me that his mother came
from a place further west than Presov (in eastern
Slovakia).
Would anyone know which POTOK is the right one? Where
could I find a good map of the area online? How can I
find out if there are records for that town? I didn't
find on the LDS site, but maybe I wasn't looking
right.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@yahoo.com

Moderator VK: I suggest that you check the H-SIG archives because I think we discussed the location of Lipto Patak at some time in the past. Patak, as you probably know, means brook or stream. There were scores of places with names that were some variant of Patak including one in NEmetlipcsei jaras in Lipto megye (now in Slovakia). Lipto megye was north of Budapest and is northeast of Bratislava. If you check the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker you can narrow the choices--probably to the Potok that's between Liptovsky Mikulas and Ruzomberok.


Hungary SIG #Hungary re: Where is lipto patak? #hungary

Dolph Klein <kledolph@...>
 

For current on-line maps of Slovak towns and villages, go to:
http://mapy.atlas.sk/aquariusnet/frm_uvod.asp

Example: The map shows FIVE settlements with the name of Potok. One of them=
=20
is adjacent to the town of Lipovec, but this may not necessarily be the=20
area of your grandmother's birth place.

Dolph Klein
Chapel Hill, NC

From: ilona lerman <phililona2001@yahoo.com>

I have confirmed that my grandmother was born in a
place called Lipo Patak by comparing the birth records
of my father and his siblings. I am having a hard time
finding where this place is today. The Hungarian
Embassy in Tel Aviv told me it is not in Hungary
today, but probably in Slovakia near the Hungarian
border. After posting the question on Jewish Gen it
seems that the place was called PATAK in LIPTO County
in the NEMETLIPCSEI district, which today is probably
POTOK in Slovakia. However I have found there are 3
places called POTOK in Slovakia all south of
Bratislava and I don't know which it is. Someone told
me that Lipto is due north of Budapest. All this would
fit into what my father told me that his mother came
from a place further west than Presov (in eastern
Slovakia).
Would anyone know which POTOK is the right one? Where
could I find a good map of the area online? How can I
find out if there are records for that town? I didn't
find on the LDS site, but maybe I wasn't looking
right.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ilona Lerman
phililona2001@yahoo.com

Moderator VK: I suggest that you check the H-SIG archives because I think we discussed the location of Lipto Patak at some time in the past. Patak, as you probably know, means brook or stream. There were scores of places with names that were some variant of Patak including one in NEmetlipcsei jaras in Lipto megye (now in Slovakia). Lipto megye was north of Budapest and is northeast of Bratislava. If you check the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker you can narrow the choices--probably to the Potok that's between Liptovsky Mikulas and Ruzomberok.


Re: Canadian Immigration Question #general

Shel <sbercovich@...>
 

Shawn,

Most immigrants to Canada arrived through one of Halifax, Nova Scotia;
Saint John, New Brunswick; Montreal or Quebec City, Quebec. The former two
ports were open year-round. The latter two ports could be used only
between late March and late October because of ice in the St. Lawrence
River.

This page shows most of the Passenger Lists (PLs) for those coming into
Canada:

< http://www.archives.ca/02/020202/020202040103_e.html >

In this case, note that the PLs for Montreal are included with those for
Quebec City, the first listing on the page.

These microfilms are available through Inter-Library Loan to the U.S.
Again one needs to know the Date of Arrival. You seem to have that, but
may need to look in the microfilm previous to T-488 (T-487), as well.

I found my mgf and mg-uncle immediately in these microfilms because I
knew my gf's DoA. My other gf and both gms are, however, a "needle in a
haystack" story. Am having to go through _each_ Ship's Passenger List on
several films to find them because I have no idea when they entered.

Much luck,

Shel Bercovich
Calgary, AB, Canada

sbercovich at shaws dot ca

NB: Please remove the second "s" in "shaws" in the return address if you
wish to respond directly.

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Darabani, Dorohoi, Iasi
& Stefanesti, Romania
ECHTER - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero, Ukraine
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; USA
ZWANG - Israel; Argentina

Shawn Weil wrote:

I am trying to locate the immigration records of a Solomon Fibish. He
emigrated >from Romania to Barre, Vermont via Canada. The 'Certificate of
Arrival' included with his naturalization papers indicated:

Port of: Montreal, Canada
Name: Schlome Favish
Date: Aug 9, 1906
Vessel: Grand Trunk Railway

I've looked him up in the St. Alban's list index, but could find neither
him, his wife (Dora/Gohres), nor his two children (Jennie and Nat) who
arrived 1 year later. I can look him up by date, but I fear he will not
be there. Am I looking in the wrong place??


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Canadian Immigration Question #general

Shel <sbercovich@...>
 

Shawn,

Most immigrants to Canada arrived through one of Halifax, Nova Scotia;
Saint John, New Brunswick; Montreal or Quebec City, Quebec. The former two
ports were open year-round. The latter two ports could be used only
between late March and late October because of ice in the St. Lawrence
River.

This page shows most of the Passenger Lists (PLs) for those coming into
Canada:

< http://www.archives.ca/02/020202/020202040103_e.html >

In this case, note that the PLs for Montreal are included with those for
Quebec City, the first listing on the page.

These microfilms are available through Inter-Library Loan to the U.S.
Again one needs to know the Date of Arrival. You seem to have that, but
may need to look in the microfilm previous to T-488 (T-487), as well.

I found my mgf and mg-uncle immediately in these microfilms because I
knew my gf's DoA. My other gf and both gms are, however, a "needle in a
haystack" story. Am having to go through _each_ Ship's Passenger List on
several films to find them because I have no idea when they entered.

Much luck,

Shel Bercovich
Calgary, AB, Canada

sbercovich at shaws dot ca

NB: Please remove the second "s" in "shaws" in the return address if you
wish to respond directly.

Searching: BERCOVICI, GOLDENBERG, MOSCOVICI - Darabani, Dorohoi, Iasi
& Stefanesti, Romania
ECHTER - Tulchin, Botha, & Krivoye Ozero, Ukraine
KLEBANOV (various spellings), LIPKIND - Minsk Gubernia; USA
ZWANG - Israel; Argentina

Shawn Weil wrote:

I am trying to locate the immigration records of a Solomon Fibish. He
emigrated >from Romania to Barre, Vermont via Canada. The 'Certificate of
Arrival' included with his naturalization papers indicated:

Port of: Montreal, Canada
Name: Schlome Favish
Date: Aug 9, 1906
Vessel: Grand Trunk Railway

I've looked him up in the St. Alban's list index, but could find neither
him, his wife (Dora/Gohres), nor his two children (Jennie and Nat) who
arrived 1 year later. I can look him up by date, but I fear he will not
be there. Am I looking in the wrong place??


Re: Route Kishinev to Chgo, IL 1894-7 #general

rokoco1@...
 

Hi,

I am trying to trace my KOVISHANSKY/KOVIN family.

Does anyone have any ideas about how families might have travelled >from
Kishinev, Russia to Chgo, IL USA,. I have been searching endlessly and
have determined they did not enter NY. I have looked in Russians to
America and have searched Ellis Island til I'm blue in the face, under
every spelling I could imagine.

I appreciate your help in advance.

Regards,

Bobbi Cohen
San Diego

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen InfoFile on Passenger Lists at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html#Passenger
provides information on alternative ports of entry to Ellis Island.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Route Kishinev to Chgo, IL 1894-7 #general

rokoco1@...
 

Hi,

I am trying to trace my KOVISHANSKY/KOVIN family.

Does anyone have any ideas about how families might have travelled >from
Kishinev, Russia to Chgo, IL USA,. I have been searching endlessly and
have determined they did not enter NY. I have looked in Russians to
America and have searched Ellis Island til I'm blue in the face, under
every spelling I could imagine.

I appreciate your help in advance.

Regards,

Bobbi Cohen
San Diego

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen InfoFile on Passenger Lists at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html#Passenger
provides information on alternative ports of entry to Ellis Island.