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STERNKLARs, ARAKs, and PRAGs Ascendancy #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper <yisraelasper@...>
 

In the Encyclopedia Meorei Galitzia it says that a rabbi named Aharon
STERNKLAR was the Av Beis Din of Chodorov. Then I read in Dr. Neil
Rosenstein's book "The Unbroken Chain" that the son of R' Moshe
TEITELBAUM the Chassidishe Rebbe married the daughter of a Rabbi
Aharon who it says was the Av Beis Din of Chodorov.

I am the son of a daughter of a daughter of Rabbi Shmuel STERNKLAR who
married Hinda ARAK a sister of Rav Meir ARAK. After his marriage Rabbi
Shmuel STERNKLAR's last name became ARAK. Rabbi Shmuel STERNKLAR's
father was named Aharon and his father Shmuel.

Is there any connection with the above mentioned Rabbi Aharon who was
said to be the Av Beis Din of Chodorov? If so what was it? Were they
the same person even? Also, my father's mother's father was an
Aleksanderer Chassid named Rav Zev Volf PRAG HaKohen. He lived in Lodz
Poland. He and\or his wife I don't know her name was\were descendents
of the Noda B' Yehuda and the same can be said for them about descent
from the Magen Avraham and the Yismach Moshe's daughter.
If anyone can help with connections or ancestry for anyone of the
above I would be most grateful.

Yisrael Asper


Wolochisk/Yachnovich #ukraine

Sy Scheinberg <sscheinberg@...>
 

Can anyone on the list tell me what, if any, realtionship there is
between the two shtetls (?) Wolochisk and Yachnovich. One source
(marriage certificate) lists the former as my father's birth place,
while another source (ship passenger list) identifies the other.

Sy Scheinberg


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic STERNKLARs, ARAKs, and PRAGs Ascendancy #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper <yisraelasper@...>
 

In the Encyclopedia Meorei Galitzia it says that a rabbi named Aharon
STERNKLAR was the Av Beis Din of Chodorov. Then I read in Dr. Neil
Rosenstein's book "The Unbroken Chain" that the son of R' Moshe
TEITELBAUM the Chassidishe Rebbe married the daughter of a Rabbi
Aharon who it says was the Av Beis Din of Chodorov.

I am the son of a daughter of a daughter of Rabbi Shmuel STERNKLAR who
married Hinda ARAK a sister of Rav Meir ARAK. After his marriage Rabbi
Shmuel STERNKLAR's last name became ARAK. Rabbi Shmuel STERNKLAR's
father was named Aharon and his father Shmuel.

Is there any connection with the above mentioned Rabbi Aharon who was
said to be the Av Beis Din of Chodorov? If so what was it? Were they
the same person even? Also, my father's mother's father was an
Aleksanderer Chassid named Rav Zev Volf PRAG HaKohen. He lived in Lodz
Poland. He and\or his wife I don't know her name was\were descendents
of the Noda B' Yehuda and the same can be said for them about descent
from the Magen Avraham and the Yismach Moshe's daughter.
If anyone can help with connections or ancestry for anyone of the
above I would be most grateful.

Yisrael Asper


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Wolochisk/Yachnovich #ukraine

Sy Scheinberg <sscheinberg@...>
 

Can anyone on the list tell me what, if any, realtionship there is
between the two shtetls (?) Wolochisk and Yachnovich. One source
(marriage certificate) lists the former as my father's birth place,
while another source (ship passenger list) identifies the other.

Sy Scheinberg


Cleveland JGS August 6 meeting #general

C&V <proprius@...>
 

The monthly meeting of the JGS of Cleveland will be Wednesday,
August 6, at 7:30 p.m., at Menorah Park on Cedar Rd. in Beachwood
We will meet upstairs in the Miller Room. Ronna Bryant will present a
program on organizing your research.

Cynthia Spikell, 1st Vice President


Re: Help with Russian/Ukraine city name #general

David T Mason <dave_mason@...>
 

Subject: Re: Help with Russian/Ukraine city name
From: "nathen gabriel" <uy9p1@...>

Cherckos is most likely Cherkassy, 97.5 miles SE of Kiev. Two other
less
likely possibilities are Cherkesy, 300.7 miles S of Kiev and
Cherkasy,
299.3 miles W of Kiev.
"Cherckos" could be a phonetic spelling of any of the above, perhaps by
an immigration official. At least In Russian, unstressed A's and O's are
pronounced the same, like "uh". Also the final Y in Cherkassy is an
inflection that changes according to whether the word is being used as a
subject or various kinds of objects in a sentence, so it looks like this
bit of confusion was simply dropped.

And then there was no common alphabet. Your arriving ancestor most
likely knew the Cyrillic and Hebrew alphabets while the immigration
official probably only knew the Roman alphabet. If the immigrant wrote
out the word, the official could not have read it, so there was nothing
to do except pronounce it for the official to write out phonetically and
hope for the best.

Dave Mason


Moderator's comment: Dave makes an extremely important point about the
different alphabets here. If I might add that the different dialects and
the pronunciation also affected the "spelling" of the written version of a
town name. Please keep this in mind when searching - and be creative with
the spelling.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cleveland JGS August 6 meeting #general

C&V <proprius@...>
 

The monthly meeting of the JGS of Cleveland will be Wednesday,
August 6, at 7:30 p.m., at Menorah Park on Cedar Rd. in Beachwood
We will meet upstairs in the Miller Room. Ronna Bryant will present a
program on organizing your research.

Cynthia Spikell, 1st Vice President


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Help with Russian/Ukraine city name #ukraine

David T Mason <dave_mason@...>
 

Subject: Re: Help with Russian/Ukraine city name
From: "nathen gabriel" <uy9p1@...>

Cherckos is most likely Cherkassy, 97.5 miles SE of Kiev. Two other
less
likely possibilities are Cherkesy, 300.7 miles S of Kiev and
Cherkasy,
299.3 miles W of Kiev.
"Cherckos" could be a phonetic spelling of any of the above, perhaps by
an immigration official. At least In Russian, unstressed A's and O's are
pronounced the same, like "uh". Also the final Y in Cherkassy is an
inflection that changes according to whether the word is being used as a
subject or various kinds of objects in a sentence, so it looks like this
bit of confusion was simply dropped.

And then there was no common alphabet. Your arriving ancestor most
likely knew the Cyrillic and Hebrew alphabets while the immigration
official probably only knew the Roman alphabet. If the immigrant wrote
out the word, the official could not have read it, so there was nothing
to do except pronounce it for the official to write out phonetically and
hope for the best.

Dave Mason


Moderator's comment: Dave makes an extremely important point about the
different alphabets here. If I might add that the different dialects and
the pronunciation also affected the "spelling" of the written version of a
town name. Please keep this in mind when searching - and be creative with
the spelling.


Help on Another Place Name #ukraine

mweinstein <mweinstein@...>
 

My maternal grandfather NATHAN KRASNOW came >from the Ukraine, but we
are unable to decipher the handwritten entry of the town Savosce?
Sovosce? Sarosce? etc. I can't find anything like it in Shetlseeker
nor in "Where Once We Walked" nor in books by Miriam Weinberg.

Help, please! Thanks

Molly Weinstein
Portland, Oregon USA

WEINSTEIN, KRASNOW


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Help on Another Place Name #ukraine

mweinstein <mweinstein@...>
 

My maternal grandfather NATHAN KRASNOW came >from the Ukraine, but we
are unable to decipher the handwritten entry of the town Savosce?
Sovosce? Sarosce? etc. I can't find anything like it in Shetlseeker
nor in "Where Once We Walked" nor in books by Miriam Weinberg.

Help, please! Thanks

Molly Weinstein
Portland, Oregon USA

WEINSTEIN, KRASNOW


Re: Rabbi Avrahom David WAHRMAN, The Buczacz Rebbe #rabbinic

rosinskyb
 

On 2003.08.01, Malkie Griffel <barmag@...> wrote:

My grandmother, Mrs. Frieda FRIEDMANN o"h, wife of Dr. Mendel
FRIEDMANN zt"l, mentioned that she was a descendant of Rabbi Abraham
David WAHRMAN, the Buczaczer Rebbe zt"l. Unfortunately, she's not
around anymore and I cannot figure out the connection.

My grandmother's maiden name was STEIN. Her mother's maiden name
was AUERBACH and her mother's mother's maiden name was HELLER. My
great-grandmother's father's mother's maiden name was RATT and his
mother's mother's maiden name was EPSTEIN. Are any of these surnames
prevalent in the WAHRMAN family?
Where is your grandmother from? I found in Meorei Galizia the
following: Yakov Yitzchak b. Yosef Yehoshua (son in law of A.D.) who
married Sara bat Yosef Yoske GUTTESMAN s.i.l. of R. Meir of Przeymsyl.
The text is unclear but one of them is a grandson of Meshulam Feivush
HELLER of Zbariz (not Zborow?).

My guess is that it is Yaakov Yitzchak himself, since he was AB"D in
Zbariz, and Wunder writes "He (who?) replaced his grandfather M.F.
HELLER as AB"D in Zbariz".

By the way... My ancestors have a very interesting naming pattern that
clearly shows they were either very devout chassidim or related to
A.D.: Levi Itzchak EIGEN (A.D's rabbi was Levi Itzchak of Berditchev)
had a son Avraham David who had a son Asher Anshil (A.D.'s father's
name)

Philip Rosinsky


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rabbi Avrahom David WAHRMAN, The Buczacz Rebbe #rabbinic

rosinskyb
 

On 2003.08.01, Malkie Griffel <barmag@...> wrote:

My grandmother, Mrs. Frieda FRIEDMANN o"h, wife of Dr. Mendel
FRIEDMANN zt"l, mentioned that she was a descendant of Rabbi Abraham
David WAHRMAN, the Buczaczer Rebbe zt"l. Unfortunately, she's not
around anymore and I cannot figure out the connection.

My grandmother's maiden name was STEIN. Her mother's maiden name
was AUERBACH and her mother's mother's maiden name was HELLER. My
great-grandmother's father's mother's maiden name was RATT and his
mother's mother's maiden name was EPSTEIN. Are any of these surnames
prevalent in the WAHRMAN family?
Where is your grandmother from? I found in Meorei Galizia the
following: Yakov Yitzchak b. Yosef Yehoshua (son in law of A.D.) who
married Sara bat Yosef Yoske GUTTESMAN s.i.l. of R. Meir of Przeymsyl.
The text is unclear but one of them is a grandson of Meshulam Feivush
HELLER of Zbariz (not Zborow?).

My guess is that it is Yaakov Yitzchak himself, since he was AB"D in
Zbariz, and Wunder writes "He (who?) replaced his grandfather M.F.
HELLER as AB"D in Zbariz".

By the way... My ancestors have a very interesting naming pattern that
clearly shows they were either very devout chassidim or related to
A.D.: Levi Itzchak EIGEN (A.D's rabbi was Levi Itzchak of Berditchev)
had a son Avraham David who had a son Asher Anshil (A.D.'s father's
name)

Philip Rosinsky


Bialystoker Memorial Book #poland

Susan&David
 

The Bialystoker Memorial Book is still available See:

www.zchor.org/bialystok/toc.htm

David Rosen
Boston, MA


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Bialystoker Memorial Book #poland

Susan&David
 

The Bialystoker Memorial Book is still available See:

www.zchor.org/bialystok/toc.htm

David Rosen
Boston, MA


Scotland #unitedkingdom

Harvey Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

I have just joined this list.

I am Harvey Kaplan in Glasgow, Scotland, and I am the Director of the
Scottish Jewish Archives Centre in Glasgow.

I am interested in the history of the Jewish communities of Edinburgh
(1816), Glasgow (1823), Dundee (1874) and Aberdeen (1890s). Also the former
communities of Ayr, Dunfermline, Falkirk, Greenock and Inverness.

My own family history interests are:

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN
- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Lithuania
FELMAN,MIL(L)ER,ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine
TROPP,STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia
LINDERMAN,SCHLACKMAN -Plock,Poland

Enquiries welcome,

Harvey Kaplan


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Scotland #unitedkingdom

Harvey Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

I have just joined this list.

I am Harvey Kaplan in Glasgow, Scotland, and I am the Director of the
Scottish Jewish Archives Centre in Glasgow.

I am interested in the history of the Jewish communities of Edinburgh
(1816), Glasgow (1823), Dundee (1874) and Aberdeen (1890s). Also the former
communities of Ayr, Dunfermline, Falkirk, Greenock and Inverness.

My own family history interests are:

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN
- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Lithuania
FELMAN,MIL(L)ER,ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine
TROPP,STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia
LINDERMAN,SCHLACKMAN -Plock,Poland

Enquiries welcome,

Harvey Kaplan


Kolmanskop and diamonds #southafrica

adamandlopa yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

One of my ancestors was a shareholder in the
Kolmanskop Diamond Mines in Namibia (formerly South
West Africa).

Does anyone know of any articles/books about this
diamond venture? Does anyone have any information at
all about this?

Please contact Adam Yamey, London,
UK<adamandlopa@...>


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Kolmanskop and diamonds #southafrica

adamandlopa yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

One of my ancestors was a shareholder in the
Kolmanskop Diamond Mines in Namibia (formerly South
West Africa).

Does anyone know of any articles/books about this
diamond venture? Does anyone have any information at
all about this?

Please contact Adam Yamey, London,
UK<adamandlopa@...>


Re: Wilno Ancestry #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Molly <mzeman@...> wrote:

I obtained the marriage records for her great grandfather who was born
in Wilno, Poland. When I put Wilno into Google, Wilno popped up as a
Jewish village.
Wilno is the Polish name; it's Vilna in Russian and Yiddish, and Vilnius
in Lithuanian. It's certainly not a "Jewish village": it's a large city,
the capital of Lithuania. It had large populations of Jews, Poles and
Lithuanians.

(Did the
towns have mixed ethnicities, or did Jewish and non-Jewish live
separately?) I have some names and places and would appreciate any
advice I'd like to know if the names might be Jewish. Names are as
follows: Stanley SIENKIEWICZ; Josie LIWRECOMA(corva?); Joseph
Sienkiewicz; Vincent SYSKA; Sofia of Sophie Syska; Katharine KIOZIOT;
ZEMAN ( >from Szymanski, Szymansky?) Certificates all say location is
Russia/Poland together, obituary says Wilno, Poland. Thank you, Molly
Zeman
Most of these names look Polish to me, but they could be Jewish as well.
There's nothing here that I'd call evidence of being Jewish.

Robert Israel israel@...
Vancouver, BC, Canada


MALLIN from Winnipeg #general

Roberta Sheps <roberta.sheps@...>
 

A few members have listed MALLIN as a name they are searching. The
Family Finder shows Lorne Mallin >from Vancouver as being interested in
MALLIN >from Winnipeg, but gives no email address.

If Lorne Mallin is online or if anyone else out there has information
about descendants of Naftoli Hirsh MALLIN, d. 17 Oct. 1925, buried in
the Scharey Tzedek Cemetery, Winnipeg, can they please contact me? He
was the maternal grand-father of my late father-in-law Irving Lyons, and
I have only just found out about him. Evidently, as well as his
daughter, Chaya, (my husband's grandmother) there was a son John who
lived in Leduc, Alberta. My husband (who lived in Edmonton, less than
15 miles away >from Leduc) had no knowledge of Naftoli Hirsch and was
unaware of the existence of any other family.

Roberta Sheps Lyons
Colchester, England (born in Winnipeg, Canada)