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BOF Posen #germany

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

Hello- the Gersig Group,

I have just returned to the Gersig after discontinuing my subscription
during the Washington D C Conference which was indeed awesome

My only disappointment was our failure to form a BOF Posen group., The
BOF Prussia Group decided to exclude Posen and all other areas except E &
W Prussia and Danzig.

This leaves those with ancestral cities in Germanic Posen with neither
form nor substance although there was consideraable interest expressed.
Obviously, what is needed for this undertaking to begin (is that an
oxymoron?) is a Moderator.

It would seem to me to be very worthwhile for someone to volunteer for
this position who has the time and the knowledge to begin the job. I
believe we can have both an interesting arena to discuss our needs and our
accomplishments as well as a place to accomplish some activities regarding
those records that were originally compiled in German for this area. It
would certainly be acceptable to me to include in this group areas that
were once German Speaking but which are now in Polish areas not Poznan.

Whatever we accomplish can certainly be forwarded to Polish speaking Sigs
(JRI) or Russian Speaking ones and any results can be included on the
appropriate Databases.

Interested participants as well as potential Moderators please feel free
to respond.

Joe Fibel New Rochelle, NY
Forebears in Schneidemuhl and Margonin in Grosshergzogstum Posen
German SIG #Germany BOF Posen #germany

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

Hello- the Gersig Group,

I have just returned to the Gersig after discontinuing my subscription
during the Washington D C Conference which was indeed awesome

My only disappointment was our failure to form a BOF Posen group., The
BOF Prussia Group decided to exclude Posen and all other areas except E &
W Prussia and Danzig.

This leaves those with ancestral cities in Germanic Posen with neither
form nor substance although there was consideraable interest expressed.
Obviously, what is needed for this undertaking to begin (is that an
oxymoron?) is a Moderator.

It would seem to me to be very worthwhile for someone to volunteer for
this position who has the time and the knowledge to begin the job. I
believe we can have both an interesting arena to discuss our needs and our
accomplishments as well as a place to accomplish some activities regarding
those records that were originally compiled in German for this area. It
would certainly be acceptable to me to include in this group areas that
were once German Speaking but which are now in Polish areas not Poznan.

Whatever we accomplish can certainly be forwarded to Polish speaking Sigs
(JRI) or Russian Speaking ones and any results can be included on the
appropriate Databases.

Interested participants as well as potential Moderators please feel free
to respond.

Joe Fibel New Rochelle, NY
Forebears in Schneidemuhl and Margonin in Grosshergzogstum Posen
Re: Kriegsarchiv Translation received #germany

NORMAN FUHRER
 

We wish to thank all the GERSIG Members who translated the letter we
received >from the Kriegsarchiv, written, of course, in German. Everything
is now crystal clear.

Thanks to one of the members, Irene Newhouse, who even sent us all of the
FHL Film Numbers in which the information is contained. There are at least
five films to view, which will be well worth the effort if we can find ggf
Abraham FUHRER listed. It will be a major breakthrough to find his place
of birth in 1830. Thanks to everyone who came to our rescue. Best wishes,

Norm and Jean Fuhrer On Florida's Spacecoast (Kennedy Space Center)
German SIG #Germany Re: Kriegsarchiv Translation received #germany

NORMAN FUHRER
 

We wish to thank all the GERSIG Members who translated the letter we
received >from the Kriegsarchiv, written, of course, in German. Everything
is now crystal clear.

Thanks to one of the members, Irene Newhouse, who even sent us all of the
FHL Film Numbers in which the information is contained. There are at least
five films to view, which will be well worth the effort if we can find ggf
Abraham FUHRER listed. It will be a major breakthrough to find his place
of birth in 1830. Thanks to everyone who came to our rescue. Best wishes,

Norm and Jean Fuhrer On Florida's Spacecoast (Kennedy Space Center)
Przetovsky #general

Hildagarde Sanders <hksanders@...>
 

Has anyone come across the names Przetovsky, Laib (Lajb), Cooperman, and
Kluch >from Lodz, Poland. These were the names in my father's family.

Hildy Sanders
hksanders@...

BLOCH (BL0CK), MEYSHTOVSKY(MISTOVSKY), LEBIOSZ, SZILNIKER >from Suwalki
(Kudirkos Naumiestis, Sudargas)
PRZETOVSKY, LAIB (LAJB, LEIB), KOOPERMAN, KLUCH, ELMAN >from Lodz
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Przetovsky #general

Hildagarde Sanders <hksanders@...>
 

Has anyone come across the names Przetovsky, Laib (Lajb), Cooperman, and
Kluch >from Lodz, Poland. These were the names in my father's family.

Hildy Sanders
hksanders@...

BLOCH (BL0CK), MEYSHTOVSKY(MISTOVSKY), LEBIOSZ, SZILNIKER >from Suwalki
(Kudirkos Naumiestis, Sudargas)
PRZETOVSKY, LAIB (LAJB, LEIB), KOOPERMAN, KLUCH, ELMAN >from Lodz
Holon, Israel + Help with handwritten Hebrew #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am seeking a woman named Bracha who in 1956 wrote a Page of Testimony at
Yad Vashem for her mother, Haja Englender Szwarcberg. I cannot read
Bracha's married name at the url below. Can anyone help me read this?

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/0803.SHWA-HAJA.jpg

In 1956, Bracha lived in Holon, Israel. I am hoping that Bracha or one of
her children is alive today. I hope someone can help me with my search in
Holon!

Before the war, the Englender-Szwarcberg family lived in Czestochowa and
nearby Chorzow.

Dan Kazez

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA, SZEWCZYK,
RAYZMAN, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH, FEYNER/FEINER/FAYNER,
BORZYKOWSKI
(Czestochowa-Przyrow-Mstow-Koniecpol-Janow-Plawno-Radomsko-Przyborow-Zgierz-
Lodz-Przedborz)
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/englander/
Historic weather in New Orleans #general

LRROBBINS@...
 

Good morning. Is there a way to learn about the weather conditions when
our family first came to the US at New Orleans, 4 November 1851? Did the
newspapers cover this on a routine basis? Is there an on-line source? I
know this is not a major question but I am wondering. Thanks for the help.

Leonard

Leonard Robbins
Cleveland, TX
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holon, Israel + Help with handwritten Hebrew #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am seeking a woman named Bracha who in 1956 wrote a Page of Testimony at
Yad Vashem for her mother, Haja Englender Szwarcberg. I cannot read
Bracha's married name at the url below. Can anyone help me read this?

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/0803.SHWA-HAJA.jpg

In 1956, Bracha lived in Holon, Israel. I am hoping that Bracha or one of
her children is alive today. I hope someone can help me with my search in
Holon!

Before the war, the Englender-Szwarcberg family lived in Czestochowa and
nearby Chorzow.

Dan Kazez

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, CZAPNIK, BRODA, SZEWCZYK,
RAYZMAN, LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS,
MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ, SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH, FEYNER/FEINER/FAYNER,
BORZYKOWSKI
(Czestochowa-Przyrow-Mstow-Koniecpol-Janow-Plawno-Radomsko-Przyborow-Zgierz-
Lodz-Przedborz)
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/englander/
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Historic weather in New Orleans #general

LRROBBINS@...
 

Good morning. Is there a way to learn about the weather conditions when
our family first came to the US at New Orleans, 4 November 1851? Did the
newspapers cover this on a routine basis? Is there an on-line source? I
know this is not a major question but I am wondering. Thanks for the help.

Leonard

Leonard Robbins
Cleveland, TX
Concentration camp #general

Spunberg Robert <robertspunberg@...>
 

It is my understanding that there was only one concentration camp
liberated by the king of Sweden. Does anyone know which one that was?

Thanks a lot !
Robert Spunberg
Lyon, France.

robertspunberg@...
Researching : SPUNBERG Przemysl, Lwow, Tarnopol ; BLAUSTEIN Przemysl ;
DORNBERG Przemysl, Wyszatycze ; BRODYER Lwow, Tarnopol ; FLEISHMANN
Tarnopol, Lwow ; TRAGER Uman, Odessa ; BASSE Uman, Odessa ; PELERMAN
Grojec, Warsaw, Krakow ; ROSENSTRACH Grojec, Warsaw, Krakow.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Concentration camp #general

Spunberg Robert <robertspunberg@...>
 

It is my understanding that there was only one concentration camp
liberated by the king of Sweden. Does anyone know which one that was?

Thanks a lot !
Robert Spunberg
Lyon, France.

robertspunberg@...
Researching : SPUNBERG Przemysl, Lwow, Tarnopol ; BLAUSTEIN Przemysl ;
DORNBERG Przemysl, Wyszatycze ; BRODYER Lwow, Tarnopol ; FLEISHMANN
Tarnopol, Lwow ; TRAGER Uman, Odessa ; BASSE Uman, Odessa ; PELERMAN
Grojec, Warsaw, Krakow ; ROSENSTRACH Grojec, Warsaw, Krakow.
Re: FISHER in Canada #general

Peter S. Wyant <p.wyant@...>
 

Jan,

I'd suggest starting in Saskatchewan rather than British Columbia.
Smaller place, easier to search, friendly people. You first want to
assemble all the information you have, including names, dates & places
when the family lived in Saskatchewan. Then I'd send the Saskatchewan
Genealogical Society an enquiry at:

http://www.saskgenealogy.com/

The staff is very helpful and knowledgeable and there are researchers
there who will assist you. There's a complete series of local and
regional history books at the SGS for the rural areas and all the larger
population centres have directories that can be searched. That should
confirm your information that Sask. was in the picture. Almost all the
cemeteries in the province have been recorded as well.

If you've got any specific questions about Saskatchewan research, send
me a post.

Regards,

Peter Wyant
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

jan mensink wrote:

I have recently been told that my family on my mothers side was
Jewish. The name was FISHER. The lived in Saskatewan and moved to
Vancouver, BC CAnada. The family was supposedly of German heritage.
How would a person find more out about this. I have tried many avenues
including going to salt lake city ot the morman geaneology center, all
to no avail.
Jan Mensink
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: FISHER in Canada #general

Peter S. Wyant <p.wyant@...>
 

Jan,

I'd suggest starting in Saskatchewan rather than British Columbia.
Smaller place, easier to search, friendly people. You first want to
assemble all the information you have, including names, dates & places
when the family lived in Saskatchewan. Then I'd send the Saskatchewan
Genealogical Society an enquiry at:

http://www.saskgenealogy.com/

The staff is very helpful and knowledgeable and there are researchers
there who will assist you. There's a complete series of local and
regional history books at the SGS for the rural areas and all the larger
population centres have directories that can be searched. That should
confirm your information that Sask. was in the picture. Almost all the
cemeteries in the province have been recorded as well.

If you've got any specific questions about Saskatchewan research, send
me a post.

Regards,

Peter Wyant
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

jan mensink wrote:

I have recently been told that my family on my mothers side was
Jewish. The name was FISHER. The lived in Saskatewan and moved to
Vancouver, BC CAnada. The family was supposedly of German heritage.
How would a person find more out about this. I have tried many avenues
including going to salt lake city ot the morman geaneology center, all
to no avail.
Jan Mensink
Maiden names & volunteering #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

One of the things that always intrigued me was "What
was my father's mother's maiden name?" Since I never
thought to ask him and everyone else >from that
generation was gone so I had to find out elsewhere.
One way to determine this is to obtain a copy of his
Social Security application. He listed her last name
as KUSHNER. His brother also listed the same last
name. To be sure I also obtained the application of
Elizabeth WISHNEVSKY, a cousin, and she listed her
mother's name as KUSHNER. I felt sure that I had the
right name.

Just to be on the safe side I also obtained the
applications of some other cousins. Benjamin KLATE
listed his mother's name as KILIKISHNER. So now I had
two different last names for two sisters. Harry KLATE
listed it as KILOKISHNER. Now there were three
spellings for the same last name. I then obtained the
application for Harry KILISKY and he listed his
mother's name as KILISKISHNER. Four names for four
sisters.

KUSHNER, KILIKISHNER, KILOKISHNER or KILISKISHNER -
which one was the correct name? Right away I
eliminated KUSHNER as that seemed to be a shortened
version of the name. I also eliminated KILISKISHNER as
that seemed to be corrupted with the name KILISKY.
That left KILOKISHNER and KILIKISHNER.

That is where thing stood until recently. As project
coordinator for the Kishinev Vital Records Project I
had hoped to find some records with the correct name.
I was not disappointed. I received birth records from
1886 and 1888 for two births for people with the last
name of KLOKUSHNER. A search of Alexander Beider's
book "A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames in the Russian
Empire" listed the name KLOKUSHNER >from the village
Klokushna. So now I believe that I have the correct
last name and the name of the village that they took
the name from.

While I was in attendance at the recently concluded
23rd IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy in Washington, DC, I did a computer search
on the name KLOKUSHNER and was surprised to discover
two listings for the name. Both were >from a 1994 phone
and address record. A search in the online phone
directory, www.switchboard.com, still listed the same
names and numbers. This past weekend I called the
numbers. The people listed were related to each other.
I reached Valentina KLOKUSHNER and found out a lot
about her family. Yes, they were >from Kishinev where
our family came >from and had immigrated to the US in
1979. No, we don't have the link between her family
and ours but we both feel that we are related because
of the very unusual last name. They knew that other
family members had immigrated here years earlier but
did not know their names. She will try to find out
more information >from her 94 year old father-in-law,
David KLOKUSHNER and I will continue to search for the
missing link.

Moral of the story - Don't give up trying to find the
elusive maiden name. Volunteer to help with the many
JewishGen and SIG projects. You just might be able to
find the names that you are looking for.

If you can help transliterate Cyrillic or Hebrew
script and want to volunteer for the Kishinev Vital
Records project please contact me. If you are
interested in helping with other languages or projects
let me know and I will pass your name along to the
proper person. Can't help with the projects then
donate to JewishGen or to the SIGs so that we can
obtain more records or pay to have the records
transliterated. Better yet, volunteer and donate.

Bob WASCOU
Kishinev Vital Records Project
Coordinator
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Maiden names & volunteering #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

One of the things that always intrigued me was "What
was my father's mother's maiden name?" Since I never
thought to ask him and everyone else >from that
generation was gone so I had to find out elsewhere.
One way to determine this is to obtain a copy of his
Social Security application. He listed her last name
as KUSHNER. His brother also listed the same last
name. To be sure I also obtained the application of
Elizabeth WISHNEVSKY, a cousin, and she listed her
mother's name as KUSHNER. I felt sure that I had the
right name.

Just to be on the safe side I also obtained the
applications of some other cousins. Benjamin KLATE
listed his mother's name as KILIKISHNER. So now I had
two different last names for two sisters. Harry KLATE
listed it as KILOKISHNER. Now there were three
spellings for the same last name. I then obtained the
application for Harry KILISKY and he listed his
mother's name as KILISKISHNER. Four names for four
sisters.

KUSHNER, KILIKISHNER, KILOKISHNER or KILISKISHNER -
which one was the correct name? Right away I
eliminated KUSHNER as that seemed to be a shortened
version of the name. I also eliminated KILISKISHNER as
that seemed to be corrupted with the name KILISKY.
That left KILOKISHNER and KILIKISHNER.

That is where thing stood until recently. As project
coordinator for the Kishinev Vital Records Project I
had hoped to find some records with the correct name.
I was not disappointed. I received birth records from
1886 and 1888 for two births for people with the last
name of KLOKUSHNER. A search of Alexander Beider's
book "A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames in the Russian
Empire" listed the name KLOKUSHNER >from the village
Klokushna. So now I believe that I have the correct
last name and the name of the village that they took
the name from.

While I was in attendance at the recently concluded
23rd IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy in Washington, DC, I did a computer search
on the name KLOKUSHNER and was surprised to discover
two listings for the name. Both were >from a 1994 phone
and address record. A search in the online phone
directory, www.switchboard.com, still listed the same
names and numbers. This past weekend I called the
numbers. The people listed were related to each other.
I reached Valentina KLOKUSHNER and found out a lot
about her family. Yes, they were >from Kishinev where
our family came >from and had immigrated to the US in
1979. No, we don't have the link between her family
and ours but we both feel that we are related because
of the very unusual last name. They knew that other
family members had immigrated here years earlier but
did not know their names. She will try to find out
more information >from her 94 year old father-in-law,
David KLOKUSHNER and I will continue to search for the
missing link.

Moral of the story - Don't give up trying to find the
elusive maiden name. Volunteer to help with the many
JewishGen and SIG projects. You just might be able to
find the names that you are looking for.

If you can help transliterate Cyrillic or Hebrew
script and want to volunteer for the Kishinev Vital
Records project please contact me. If you are
interested in helping with other languages or projects
let me know and I will pass your name along to the
proper person. Can't help with the projects then
donate to JewishGen or to the SIGs so that we can
obtain more records or pay to have the records
transliterated. Better yet, volunteer and donate.

Bob WASCOU
Kishinev Vital Records Project
Coordinator
Re: Searching "SEGAL" #general

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

To all Levites, not specifically those whose snipped messages appear
below.

The Levites had another job in the Temple, and that was guarding with
the Cohanim. I believe that there were three posts, and guarding was only
done at night. This was not done to ward off attackers. Just as kings
have guards in their palaces, placed as show pieces, so too, the Temple
had a guard for show. I doubt, however, that anyone watched the changing
of the guard. Rabbis have asked why, if the guards were only for show,
shouldn't they have been on duty during the day also? For the answer to
this, you'll have to consult a Talmudic authority, which I am not.

So, if you are a Levite, can't play a musical instrument, and can't
sing, you may come >from a family that were guards.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

The origins of the name LEVI is after Levi, one of the 12 sons of
Jacob etc. . . . The Levites . . . used to sing the daily Psalms and
play musical instruments.
==Yes, indeed, I am a Levite myself and though I never learned to play
an instrument, I have in the past publicly sung the praises to the
Almighty as a cantor, and still do so occasionally as an aging layperson.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Searching "SEGAL" #general

Nachum <nachum@...>
 

To all Levites, not specifically those whose snipped messages appear
below.

The Levites had another job in the Temple, and that was guarding with
the Cohanim. I believe that there were three posts, and guarding was only
done at night. This was not done to ward off attackers. Just as kings
have guards in their palaces, placed as show pieces, so too, the Temple
had a guard for show. I doubt, however, that anyone watched the changing
of the guard. Rabbis have asked why, if the guards were only for show,
shouldn't they have been on duty during the day also? For the answer to
this, you'll have to consult a Talmudic authority, which I am not.

So, if you are a Levite, can't play a musical instrument, and can't
sing, you may come >from a family that were guards.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

The origins of the name LEVI is after Levi, one of the 12 sons of
Jacob etc. . . . The Levites . . . used to sing the daily Psalms and
play musical instruments.
==Yes, indeed, I am a Levite myself and though I never learned to play
an instrument, I have in the past publicly sung the praises to the
Almighty as a cantor, and still do so occasionally as an aging layperson.
Re: The SEGAL name and Levites #general

Udi Cain
 

Thank you Michael for sharpening the issue of the problematic connection of
Levis' and Kohanim, in the suggestions made by "Otzar Roshei Teivot".

You also wrote:
The question of how the surname SEGAL came to be associated with Levites,
remains unsolved.

Since we know of many SEGALs' who know that they are Levis', and since we
know of that surname after 1070 CE (it could have appeared much earlier,
but I don't have any proof for that), when the temple was only a virtual
remains in the hopes for the coming of the messiah and liberation, we can
quiet safely say that the Kohanim and Leviyim who were on charge of the
rituals of the temple, were now (and are until today)kept on "stand by",
until the new temple will be built, and functioned, psychologically, as
part of the hope...

The Hebrew word seggel means: staff / personal / suite / corpus / corps
etc.

In the ancient life of Israel, one could have found "seggel" either in the
ancient Israeli army, the Israeli king's court, or the Levis' who were the
"seggel" of the temple.
The Diaspora left the people of Israel with no army, nor king.
But the Levis' were there, and still are, kept as a remembrance of the
desirable ancient life and for the future temple, they are the only corps
"seggel", left for the Jewish people of the Diaspora...
So I suggest: Seggel Leviyim, or in short "SEGAL".

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Jerusalem

I am happy to invite you to my genealogy web site:

http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/Udi/books.html
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The SEGAL name and Levites #general

Udi Cain
 

Thank you Michael for sharpening the issue of the problematic connection of
Levis' and Kohanim, in the suggestions made by "Otzar Roshei Teivot".

You also wrote:
The question of how the surname SEGAL came to be associated with Levites,
remains unsolved.

Since we know of many SEGALs' who know that they are Levis', and since we
know of that surname after 1070 CE (it could have appeared much earlier,
but I don't have any proof for that), when the temple was only a virtual
remains in the hopes for the coming of the messiah and liberation, we can
quiet safely say that the Kohanim and Leviyim who were on charge of the
rituals of the temple, were now (and are until today)kept on "stand by",
until the new temple will be built, and functioned, psychologically, as
part of the hope...

The Hebrew word seggel means: staff / personal / suite / corpus / corps
etc.

In the ancient life of Israel, one could have found "seggel" either in the
ancient Israeli army, the Israeli king's court, or the Levis' who were the
"seggel" of the temple.
The Diaspora left the people of Israel with no army, nor king.
But the Levis' were there, and still are, kept as a remembrance of the
desirable ancient life and for the future temple, they are the only corps
"seggel", left for the Jewish people of the Diaspora...
So I suggest: Seggel Leviyim, or in short "SEGAL".

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Jerusalem

I am happy to invite you to my genealogy web site:

http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/Udi/books.html
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